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Sunday, December 05, 2021

Racism, sexism and other forms of systematic oppression are not unique to mathematics, and they certainly are not new, yet many in the field still deny their existence. "One of the biggest challenges is how hard it can be to start a conversation" about the problem, Sawyer says, "because mathematicians are so convinced that math is the purest of all of the sciences." Yet statistics on the mathematics profession are difficult to ignore. In 2019 a New York Times profile of Edray Herber Goins, a Black mathematics professor at Pomona College, reported that "fewer than 1 percent of doctorates in math are awarded to African-Americans."

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Well don't you need kids to have the ability and desire to go into math to end the White Patriarchy?

To fix that you need to fix the racism that puts minorities in poor schools and other disadvantaged situations. Math is and has always been something of a luxury for those who are well off. If you are not starting with a solid home and good education it is hard to get anywhere - including in Math. Math is not exactly an area many people at all show interest in to begin with.

#1 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-12-06 05:17 PM | Reply

Galax,

"If you are not starting with a solid home"

You're all over the map blaming everyone but the student.

You did include one worthwhile line.

Maybe that's the root of the problem.

#2 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-12-06 06:55 PM | Reply

Oh STFU Bill Johnson. Galaxiepete speaks the truth

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-12-06 07:14 PM | Reply

#2 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Why should the student be blamed for be placed in an unequitable situation specific to their educational experience?

#4 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-12-06 07:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Karma?

#5 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-12-06 09:17 PM | Reply

#2 | Posted by BillJohnson

That was a whole load of willful stupid. I tried to make my point succinct as I am prone to being too long winded for 3-second attention spans. Their are so many problems with folks like yourself. You don't understand there not a single "fix" to most issues. You want to boil them down to something a simple one liner in a talking point any parrot can recite - like say "they don't work hard enough". The socioeconomic situation most minorities find themselves in is a direct result of centuries of systemic racism. You would like to "think" it is a result of "not working hard enough" which is utter BS. There was a good article here recently about how all these self made billionaires started with a big head start - sure they made something huge but they had pregenerated opportunity. They weren't worried about their next meal or having shoes.

When I say ability it is not merely the mind's ability to deal with the deep thinking required in advanced math but the very literal ability to even consider math at all. It is amazing how many of these kids go without day to day - without shoes, without clothes, without internet, without food. FOOD is such a huge thing that affects your development as well. They will do whatever they can to get out. It doesn't involve school too often it involves things like gangs. It means taking whatever work you can find just to put food on your table. Then you must consider the education system these kids are forced to endure. Where do you find failing schools? Why are they failing schools? This is something that would take a dozen posts of great length to even scratch the surface, but you aren't a deep thinker are you?

#6 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-12-07 10:12 AM | Reply

So people who have no business having children, have children that they can't afford to take care of and it's racist because their children fail in school?

The responsibility lies squarely on the parent for bringing children into the world without resources/desire for raising them.

Just when I thought this world couldn't get anymore clownish......

#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-12-07 01:44 PM | Reply

"The responsibility lies squarely on the parent for bringing children into the world without resources/desire for raising them."

That means the children are innocent victims.
What's our obligation to help innocent victims?

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-07 02:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is amazing how many of these kids go without day to day - without shoes, without clothes, without internet, without food.

#6 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE AT 2021-12-07 10:12 AM | FLAG:

That -------- needs vouchers.

Even in the Mad Max wasteland known as Texas the food is free for kids that need it and every kid gets a hotspot, even if they don't need it.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-12-07 03:29 PM | Reply

What's our obligation to help innocent victims?

#8 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-12-07 02:41 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

It's up to you to be as benevolent as you want to be. How many needy children have you taken in?

#10 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-12-07 03:53 PM | Reply

My daughter is a freshman at K-State majoring in Engineering. Right now it's Industrial but she's strongly considering switching to BioScience.

Not too many females pursuing this. If she can get through it I think she'll have some real opportunities.

Sorry.....not exactly on topic.

-Math is not exactly an area many people at all show interest in to begin with.

Not sexy....

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-07 04:06 PM | Reply

-How many needy children have you taken in?

I'm not sure he's not a needy child being cared for.....

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-07 04:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Not too many females pursuing this. If she can get through it I think she'll have some real opportunities."

My nephew and his girlfriend are biomedical engineers. They were working in MA (where she was his boss) but wanted to move to San Francisco for a few years. His girlfriend got a job there, and so they moved. He was going to look for work there too, but due to covid he has been able to keep his old job in MA and work from home. Granted he has to go to work at 5 am his time, but when you go to work in your apartment, it's not so bad.

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-12-07 04:50 PM | Reply

13

I hope she stays with it.

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-07 05:33 PM | Reply

That is so funny listening to her gripe in the article. Mathematicians treat everyone that way.

#15 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-12-07 06:09 PM | Reply

What's our obligation to help innocent victims?
#8 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-12-07 02:41 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)
It's up to you to be as benevolent as you want to be. How many needy children have you taken in?
#10 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

I mean society's obligation.
If you don't believe society has any obligation to innocent victims, that's fine too.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-07 10:14 PM | Reply

"My daughter is a freshman at K-State majoring in Engineering. Right now it's Industrial but she's strongly considering switching to BioScience."

Bioengineering is the future.
You can't go wrong there.
But she might have to move to either coast.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-07 10:27 PM | Reply

Even in the Mad Max wasteland known as Texas the food is free for kids that need it and every kid gets a hotspot, even if they don't need it.
#9 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Texas does a good job prioritizing education.
Texas Instruments, Dell, Johnson Space Center, massive health care infrastructure, even the oil and gas industry has a deep reliance on high tech.
It's a damn shame the Republicans blocked the Superconducting Supercollider or they'd be doing even better.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-07 10:31 PM | Reply

What's our obligation to help innocent victims?

$20,000 a year? Is that enough, that's what we pay per student in the US for education costs, not even all the other subsidies.
I dont mind paying it, but do you think thats the solution? Doesn't seem to be working does it? SAT scores are falling, directly opposite to how much we spend, why is that?

Again, this goes back to the parental inequality, there isn't alot we can do about it is there. The culture is the culture, and it ain't what it used to be.

How can we change the culture to enable more parental equality? OR is helping innocent victims just not your thing?

#TwoBetterThanOne
#WhiteSupremacySucks
#DefundSchoolSystems
#FundEducation

#19 | Posted by oneironaut at 2021-12-07 10:34 PM | Reply

"I dont mind paying it, but do you think that's the solution?"

Do I think education is "the" solution to needy children?

No. It's a big part of the solution, but it's not enough. Children have needs beyond education.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-07 10:40 PM | Reply

"How can we change the culture to enable more parental equality?"

Accept them as equals in society.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-07 10:42 PM | Reply

SAT scores are falling, directly opposite to how much we spend, why is that?

Interestingly, as a share of total state and local spending, education has steadily declined since the 1970s. In other words, even though education spending has gone up, spending on other things has gone up even more. Perhaps if we reprioritized education (and educators) instead of demonizing both, we'd have better results. I cant think the recent bad faith attacks on "CRT" are going to be a good thing for retaining top talent.

#22 | Posted by JOE at 2021-12-08 06:13 AM | Reply

The discussion in this thread get s to the real problem, Inequity in the past has produced a non equal environment. That truth has gained traction, and if pushed on has potential to start to make real change. However, the woke crowd steps in and does what is always does and reframes a portion of it in a divisive way.

What is someone more likely to support:

Past inequality puts black students in a poor place to succeed the same as white peers in todays schools.

or

Math is racist... which leads to headlines about and calls to do away with advanced classes.

#23 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-12-08 10:41 AM | Reply

Republicans don't like either of those.

Your first thing is Project 1619 adjacent.

Republicans blame black choices for black poverty, and nothing else.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-08 10:53 AM | Reply

If you don't believe society has any obligation to innocent victims, that's fine too.

#16 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Helping innocent victims would eliminate the conditions that they love to complain about. Selfishness tends to have that motivation.

#25 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-12-08 10:59 AM | Reply

Past inequality puts black students in a poor place to succeed the same as white peers in todays schools.
or
Math is racist... which leads to headlines about and calls to do away with advanced classes.
#23 | POSTED BY KWRX25

Idiots only respond to one type of headline. I'm not "necessarily" calling you an idiot, by the by.

#26 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-12-08 11:01 AM | Reply

#26 I think you're helping make my point.

You're right, idiots get all ginned up over the 2nd headline. They push back against it, the whole issue becomes some massive wedge issue... and years from now, the Black kids will be still be doing worse at math.

Wouldn't the people who want to make change in this area want to avoid the idiot reaction inducing headline? Yet, twitter is flooded with racist math tweets today.

Really leads me to conclude the ones pushing these issues are more interested in division through identity politics than making real change here.

#27 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-12-08 02:28 PM | Reply

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