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Wednesday, December 08, 2021

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"It's an easy vote just to vote no," said Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.). "There's nobody back home that thinks you should cooperate, in red states, with Democrats at all. I personally think we have a responsibility for those things we've agreed on with the operation of government ... that's not a very popular position to take back home."

The split between Senate and House Republicans boils down to two key factors: former President Donald Trump and parliamentary rules. The gerrymandered House makes those lawmakers far leerier of primary challenges, which makes bucking Trump the biggest risk to many House Republicans' careers. And Trump hates every deal McConnell cuts, from infrastructure to spending to the debt ceiling."

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It's really convenient how these democracy haters gin up the hate to get elected... and then when they have to do something responsible like keep the country running, well, it's the fault of the voters back home that it's SO hard for them!

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2021-12-07 09:38 PM | Reply

""It's an easy vote just to vote no," said Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.). "There's nobody back home that thinks you should cooperate, in red states, with Democrats at all."

There's GOP bipartisanship in a nutshell.

#2 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-12-08 08:40 AM | Reply

It's actually a really good article. I suggest everyone read it.

#3 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 08:51 AM | Reply

It's really convenient how these democracy haters gin up the hate to get elected... and then when they have to do something responsible like keep the country running, well, it's the fault of the voters back home that it's SO hard for them!

What an odd take, given this ...

""It's an easy vote just to vote no," said Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.). "There's nobody back home that thinks you should cooperate, in red states, with Democrats at all."

Is this not Democracy?

It's actually a really good article. I suggest everyone read it.

I read it, what was good about it? It fails to go in to the reasons the R Senators first voted for the bill, they didn't think D's would tie the two together. The Democrats relying upon the Rs to support them is strange to me. The Dems have complete run of the table but can't pass anything, made Biden look bad. By filling the bill with "poison pills" there is no way the R's will ever be able to retract it. Much like Obamacare once we get the country hooked on the good ideas, the R's can't stop it. Relying on the R's for support is ridiculous.

I am losing faith in Democrats as a party, this article is meant to deflect blame on Democrat failure by pointing at R's being unethical or something.

#RunTheTable
#WhatAreTheyWaitingFor

#4 | Posted by oneironaut at 2021-12-08 10:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#4

You should do a dissertation on The Art of Being Obtuse.

Even a book, maybe.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2021-12-08 10:49 AM | Reply

-Is this not Democracy?

It's the ugly reality of democracy....where politicians represent their constituents.

-I read it, what was good about it?

It's well written.

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 10:54 AM | Reply

- It's the ugly reality

Of hate-based politics where race, immigration, and anything different about other people is used to gin up the hate... then using said ginned up hate as an excuse to do the wrong thing whenever possible... which was my point.

"It is a tragedy, perhaps, that human beings can get so much energy and enthusiasm from hate. If you want to feel ten feet tall and as though you could run a hundred miles without stopping, hate beats pure cocaine any day. Hitler resurrected a beaten, bankrupt, half-starved nation with hatred and nothing more. Imagine that."

- Kurt Vonnegut

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2021-12-08 11:01 AM | Reply

Republicl0wns "seethe" over everything.

They waste their time putting up a good fight only to lose.

#8 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-12-08 02:52 PM | Reply

I bet you the politicians seething are the same ones who signed a declarations stating they don't acknowledge Biden as the President of the United States of America.

Seems easy to bring them up on charges of treason to the nation.

Instead. We continue to allow them to write laws and set policies.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-08 02:55 PM | Reply

House Republicans Seethe over Big Bird, Murphy Brown, Benghazi, Tan Suit, War on Christmas.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-08 03:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's the ugly reality of democracy....where politicians represent their constituents.

#6 | POSTED BY EBERLY

They represent a portion of their own voters doing this. They don't represent their constituents and certainly not their constituents interests.

#11 | Posted by Sycophant at 2021-12-08 03:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-They don't represent their constituents and certainly not their constituents interests.

Show me a US HoR member who successfully tells their voters, "you don't know ---- I know what's best for you".

You want to hear that from your congressman? Thanks

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 04:11 PM | Reply

@#1 ... Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.). "There's nobody back home that thinks you should cooperate, in red states, with Democrats at all. ...

I see problems with that statement on multiple levels.

But for starters, I'd have to ask if he really thinks that every single person in his district thinks that he should not cooperate with Democrats in any shape manner or form, regardless of the reasons for doing so..

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-12-08 04:37 PM | Reply

-I'd have to ask if he really thinks that every single person in his district thinks that he should not cooperate with Democrats

Obviously, he wasn't being literal. What he meant was "There aren't enough people in my district who would prefer me to work with democrats....to make a difference on election day".

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 04:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bev GQP-splainin' for proggies, lmao.

- to make a difference on election day".

Meaning he's more concerned about his job than about doing what he knows is the right thing... unless you are saying that he should do the wrong thing even if he knows it is wrong, if that's what his lesser informed, hate-filled constituency wants.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2021-12-08 05:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Meaning he's more concerned about his job than about doing what he knows is the right thing..

It's simpler to the congressman. winning re-election IS the right thing.

-unless you are saying that he should do the wrong thing even if he knows it is wrong, if that's what his lesser informed, hate-filled constituency wants.

Democracy is tough one, isn't it?

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 05:26 PM | Reply

"Democracy is tough one, isn't it?"

To the spineless.

Remind us how many Republicans condemned MTG for equating a contagious airborne pandemic with cancer?

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-12-08 05:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

17

Well, we can all imagine how easy it would be to be courageous and patriotic if we woke up tomorrow in the US House of representatives.

This isn't a defense of a single member and their spinelessness.

And keep in mind....soundbites and actual cooperation are 2 different things.

Ted Kennedy was always run down horribly by the GOP in the press.....but in reality many of them got along great with him.

Now, I realize the days of the GOP vs Kennedy are in the past....and today's GOP is clearly taking the lack of cooperation to another level.

In the end.....I'd prefer congressmen voting to represent the dipsticks in their district regardless of how stupid they are rather than representing someone else or some other interest.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 05:57 PM | Reply

Is this not Democracy?

#4 | Posted by oneironaut

No stupid. The senate is not democratic. It gives thousands of times more power to a voter from one place than it gives to a voter from another place in the same country.

When 25% of the country can elect to create a financial crisis just to hurt the party in power, that's not democracy. That's terrorism.

#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-12-08 06:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Democracy is tough one, isn't it?

#16 | Posted by eberly

What does democracy have to do with this?

Pleasing extremists in gerrymandered districts is not democracy. Nor is anything that happens in the senate, because the senate is anti democratic by design.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-12-08 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democracy is what would end this - make politicians who vote to explode the entire economy to hurt the other party face a group of voters who weren't hand picked partisans.

The current ANTI democratic system is what makes politicians cater to the extremes.

Dems have a bill to fix this, but repubs dont want to fix a corrupt system that benefits them more.

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-12-08 06:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-if that's what his lesser informed, hate-filled constituency wants.

I know this stings but they're Americans too.

If you don't want to represent them then you're in the wrong job. Step aside and let someone else represent them.

It's called the House of "Representatives" for a reason.

Geez ... .what a bunch of crybabies.

You're just crying because those people you hate deserve representation.

If redneck Joe shows up to vote ... ... ...

This is still America, right?

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 07:01 PM | Reply

@#14 ... Obviously, he wasn't being literal. ...

Obvious to whom?

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-12-08 07:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#16 ... winning re-election IS the right thing. ...

The right thing for whom?

The people in his district? The money stream he gets for being in office?

He has said things that show he may not represent those in his district.

So what exactly is the right thing of which you comment?


#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-12-08 07:10 PM | Reply

Hitler represented millions of good Germans. Was Nazi Germany a democracy? Just representing the narrow segment of the population that you believe actually voted for you is a subversion of democracy. I presume few Jews voted for Hitler, he won a plurality of voters and they were legally massacred. His voters were largely satisfied by the oppression of Jews. They often wanted and encouraged it.

Eberly, was this a good example of democratic government? Hitler won legally. There was no fraud.

An elected representive has a duty to represent his district;all of it. Not just his perceived base interpreted as narrowly as possible.

To do otherwise is to facilitate horrors on the "enemy tribe" they despise.

#25 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-12-08 07:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If you don't want to represent them then you're in the wrong job. Step aside and let someone else represent them.

#22 | Posted by eberly

That's like saying if a babysitter won't give crack cocaine to the kids, they should be fired and replaced with a babysitter who will.

A leader's job is not to simply obey the morons who elected them, it's to best represent their interests. Even if the morons who elected you are too stupid to see the damage that the debt default would do to them, as a leader your job is to see that damage and avoid it. Not simply do the damage because the screaming babies think they want you to. The best way to help someone is not to give them whatever self destructive thing they demand.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-12-08 07:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-The right thing for whom?

the congressman, of course. That was tongue in cheek a bit.

I'm referring to an unprincipled representative who believes the only good he can do is if he represents....so he has to keep representing.

We see it in all the movies....."I can't help anybody if I don't get elected"...which is used as a copout for not having any scruples.

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 07:22 PM | Reply

"Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs!"

From a political standpoint, that means a little bit of corruption or hypocrisy or whatever you want to call it is not just okay, it's necessary, if you're going to be realistic about achieving your goals.

There's probably some truth to that. That's why we have "Hate the game, not the player."

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-08 07:25 PM | Reply

-A leader's job is not to simply obey the morons who elected them, it's to best represent their interests

most of your posts are complete ---- and unworthy of a response but I'll help you along here.........they are elected representatives.

None of them think their job is to rub ---- in their constituent's faces......even if they deserve it.

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 07:26 PM | Reply

Clever cop out Eb's. Weaseling comes easy to you. "I was just kidding". Yeah I know you were.

You seemed quite in ernest to me when you posted about representation. Not kidding in tone to be sure. Impassioned even.

#30 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-12-08 07:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#27 ... That was tongue in cheek a bit. ...

Just a bit. ;)

... We see it in all the movies....."I can't help anybody if I don't get elected"...which is used as a copout for not having any scruples. ...

Yes, I've seen that in the movies as well.

But the person seems to be putting those who elected him above all those he represents in his district, and apparently uses that to refuse to work with others to help those he represents.

He seems to espouse that a dislike of working with the opposition, when such cooperation may benefit his constituents, is a good thing.

So if he was elected to, as your comment notes, help anybody, why would he be opposed to helping anyone?

#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-12-08 07:31 PM | Reply

Do any of you actually understand how an election works?

If you want a principled "leader" to do what's best for their district...then that involves telling them the TRUTH about what you intend to do (cooperate with dems.....be rational on abortion, guns, or whatever hot button that has you all so pissed at these people) or LIE to them....and then piss them off and be a 1-term congressman.

You know who represents the reddest districts in the country? The guy/gal who wins a race of sometimes 2 or 3 or even 4 candidates to the RIGHT.

Why does it shock you these dolts are so far to the right once they're there in office?

Go ahead and run an intelligent, thoughtful person who wants to do what's actually in the best interest of their district and see what happens......they get ------- squashed. It's a waste of their time.

Maybe some of you should get outside once in a while....perhaps work on a congressional campaign once. See how it works.

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 07:37 PM | Reply

So what's the answer, Einstein? Hitler was far to the right too. He represented his voters. Just good democractic leadership? The primaries were too tough? He just HAD to be a monster to represent that electorate? Hitler never took more than a plurality of votes. By your standards Hitler was a good leader of his followers, Trump is too.

Democracy isn't a suicide pact.

#33 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-12-08 07:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

31

It's very unfortunate that when truly acting the best interest of everyone you represent (including those who didn't vote for you) could wind up being a political liability.

It's an awful reality that we have congressmen who are afraid of cooperation with the other side when that is what they should be striving to achieve.

But their fear is that their own party will get pissed at them and eventually financially back another candidate in the next primary and they're out. They'll get branded as soft and weak and liberal, etc.....

I personally know a former US congressman who this happened to. He bucked the leadership in his party, cooperated with democrats.....and the RNC backed another candidate in the next primary and beat him.

There are tons of cautionary tales out there.

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 07:46 PM | Reply

I'm not going to waste my time with comparisons to Hitler and babysiters.

come up with something that has at least a shred of comparison.

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 07:48 PM | Reply

@#33 ... Do any of you actually understand how an election works? ...

I think I do.

I also think that the purpose of an election is to elect a leader.

So it boils down to, what do you expect of the leaders you elect?

Do you want them to represent your most vile opinions? Or do you want your leaders to bring you to a better place?

Simple questions. Tough answers.



#36 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-12-08 07:50 PM | Reply

Clearly, EBERLY believes politicians should not be leaders, only followers to whatever whims their uneducated, bigoted constituents feel is 'right.'

#37 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-12-08 07:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@34 ... But their fear is that their own party will get pissed at them ...

Yup.

That is a problem with both the Democratic and the Republican parties.

Unfortunately for the United States, the current Republican Party is skewed towards a more autocratic end than a democratic Republic end.

#38 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-12-08 07:54 PM | Reply

Maybe some of you should get outside once in a while....perhaps work on a congressional campaign once. See how it works.
#32 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Nah...

Time for your 'preplanned' vacation. When you're wondering why everyone in the room seems crazy, more likely than not, you're the one that's crazy. Oh, and I meant that as being a little tongue and cheek. But only a little, so take heed.

#39 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-12-08 07:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#33 ... Democracy isn't a suicide pact ...

Wow, why your apparent sudden change of allegiance?

#40 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-12-08 07:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

None of them think their job is to rub ---- in their constituent's faces......even if they deserve it.

#29 | Posted by eberly a

You think NOT crashing their constituents' economy is "rubbing ---- in their constituent's faces?"

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-12-08 07:57 PM | Reply

I'm not going to waste my time with comparisons to Hitler and babysiters.
come up with something that has at least a shred of comparison.
#35 | POSTED BY EBERLY

HAHAHA!

So you're logic isn't sound enough to apply to an extreme example such as Hitler. Speaks volumes about your logic.

#42 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-12-08 07:59 PM | Reply

36

Thank you for a thoughtful and reasoned response. That is in short supply here at the moment.

To be honest.....I've never viewed a member of the US House of representatives to be "leaders" really. They SHOULD be leaders, of course. But that quality is not required. Voters don't require it. They should, of course but they don't. Which is why we have a true lack of leadership in DC.

Now, when they have some tenure and they start running for speaker or whip or whatever....then they truly hold positions of "leadership" but they are allowed to behave like spoiled children most of the time.

"Do you want them to represent your most vile opinions? Or do you want your leaders to bring you to a better place?"

I believe most of the people who post on this site are outright unapologetic party line voters. Perhaps you as well....but I don't know.

I get why and I'm not criticizing anybody for how they vote but how much scrutiny are you applying when you vote with regard to "leadership" when the letter after their name says it all? If your answer to this is "democrats are just clearly better leaders" then fine....I understand and even agree with you (especially in these times).

Lamp...good discussion. I have to get a baseball clinic. I'll check back later.

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 07:59 PM | Reply

I'm not going to waste my time with comparisons to Hitler and babysiters.

come up with something that has at least a shred of comparison.

#35 | Posted by eberly

Why? Any comparison you can't refute you'll just say doesn't count.

Try this one - a patient picks their doctor, so by your logic, that doctor's job is to just do whatever the patient wants, and write them prescriptions for whatever lethal drugs they want to take.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-12-08 08:00 PM | Reply

-When you're wondering why everyone in the room seems crazy,

not sure what you mean.

just stick to telling me what I believe, rusty. It's cute.

#45 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 08:03 PM | Reply

okay....really go to go.

I promise to check back. hopefully yourcult will be here waiting on me.

tootles....

#46 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 08:04 PM | Reply

just stick to telling me what I believe, rusty. It's cute.
#45 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Considering your consistent logical inconsistency, hypocrisy seems to be something you deeply believe in.

You accusing a poster of pedophilia (at least an interest in it) while also praising a poster for providing a 'thoughtful and reasoned response' which is 'in short supply here at the moment' is simply adorable.

Your vacation time is calling. Why aren't you answering?

#47 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-12-08 08:08 PM | Reply

"Why does it shock you these dolts are so far to the right once they're there in office?"

It doesn't.
The GOP is the party of fascists.
You never struck us as a fascist, is the part that could be described as shocking.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-08 08:33 PM | Reply

@#43 ... Thank you for a thoughtful and reasoned response. That is in short supply here at the moment. ...

Yeah, it can get a bit rough around here, but you've earned it, imo. While I do not always (OK, rarely) agree with your comments, I will say once again, I do appreciate that you hang in there and discuss your opinions here. I think it is important that rational disagreements are discussed.

OK, that aside...

... .I've never viewed a member of the US House of representatives to be "leaders" really. ...

When a local candidate comes a'knocking on my door during campaign season, they have not a clue what they will soon be facing when they ask me what I think. I can see it on their face when I ask my questions. They just want to walk away.

Those that persist I label as ~worth talking with.~

Based upon that subsequent discussion, I then decide who I want to lead my district.

Yeah, I can understand how many people (most people?) will just think "I agree, therefore I support."

But is that leadership on the part of whom we elect?

Politicians care about the next election.

Statesmen care about the next generation.

(wow, In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida!!)

#49 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-12-08 08:39 PM | Reply

Eberly us a "good" Republican. Facsism doesn't come naturally to him. He needs training. Luckily there are plenty of mentors waiting to Teach him The Way.

#50 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-12-08 08:46 PM | Reply

@#50 ... Eberly us a "good" Republican. ...

Before you comment on other posters here, may I suggest that you take a long, hard look at your comments here.

And then after that introspection you may want to really evaluate the aspersions you cast.

Jus' tryin' to be helpful...

Caravan - Where but for Caravan Would I Be?
www.youtube.com



#51 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-12-08 09:05 PM | Reply

Eff off. You don't know S**t about my political views. You know some, but not my intention, as for introspection, I've looked pretty deep. Eberly is a moron. He apologizes for bigots. He thinks representation means pandering the hatred of the base. Trump was a great leader by that standard. I voted for Trump the first time. I knew at the time I was being a bomb thrower.

I've since reflected and never liked the SOB.

That voted scared me enough to stop voting as a protest and in a flippant way. I know better now.

Does Eberly,even if he voted against Trump?

I really don't know. I do know the arguments he made here today are Crap.

#52 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-12-08 10:00 PM | Reply

You still strike me as a bomb thrower.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-08 10:03 PM | Reply

-You accusing a poster of pedophilia (at least an interest in it)

Clown had it coming. He was being a royal -------, lying, trolling, etc.

Don't act like you can't see that.

Now, how can I help you? What do you want from me?

#54 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 10:26 PM | Reply

-Eberly us a "good" Republican. Facsism doesn't come naturally to him.

LOL

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 10:27 PM | Reply

-He thinks representation means pandering the hatred of the base.

Why do you have to resort to making it about what I think?

It IS representation. Not because I believe it....but because it is.

You just can't handle it that bigots are Americans too and they get their opportunity to elect their rep just like you do.

That's not a joke.....that's actually how it works.

It sucks. Bigots have a voice.

I would rather it not work this way...where bigots are listened to and pandered to. Trump's presence has given them courage to step up and demand their own brand of democracy.

I'm sorry....but it's not my fault, Effete.

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 10:33 PM | Reply

-He apologizes for bigots.

This ---------- votes for Trump then accuses me of something.

---- off, moron. Start posting with honesty when you reference me.

Until then....---- off, Trump voter.

#57 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 10:35 PM | Reply

@#52 ... Eff off. You don't know S**t about my political views. ...

So you seem to be saying what you post here are not your political views. Because all I know is what you post here.

So I gotta ask, why is what you post here not your political views (by your own seeming admission)?

Aside from that glaring contradiction, lemme just allow the Comateens to say...

Comateens - Get Off My Case
www.youtube.com



#58 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-12-08 10:39 PM | Reply

No, it's not. I agree. That is the system and by that measure Hitler was representing his followers. He was a good leader, to them. But how do we derail this train? Democracy can take us straight to hell. Where are the fail-safes?

Trump could win again, and dismantle our entire government in his own image like the Nazis did in Germany. I actually looks likely to me.

He will be representing his voters if he does.

They want a strongman with no holds barred.

If they get represented,everyone else loses everything.

..... Like a suicide pact? Do we agree to let them cut our throats if they win?

Is that a good outcome?

How do we stop the train before we all lose our freedoms for a cult of personality that does represent some of our people. Even while it oppresses more of them?

Got anything helpful?

#59 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-12-08 10:47 PM | Reply

My views are mostly honestly represented here. I thought you were referencing my Trump Vote in 2016,which I have repeatedly renounced and regret more than most things. People throw that back at me a lot. Maybe I deserve it. It WAS stupid. Eberly is clearly right in his logic about the electorate. I pray most Americans aren't stupid enough to pick Tyranny.

But my own example makes me despair as to that outcome.

American's are stupid as F**k.

#60 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-12-08 10:54 PM | Reply

@59 ... No, it's not. I agree. ...

So your comment seems to agree with my view in #58 that what you post here is not really your views.

Good to know that.

But I then have to ask... whose views do your comments represent?

thx.

#61 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-12-08 10:59 PM | Reply

"You just can't handle it that bigots are Americans too and they get their opportunity to elect their rep just like you do."

Why can you handle that?

You seem nonplussed and nonchalant about the bigots rising to power and taking over the Presidency and the Supreme Court and the GOP.

This is a political site. You're a Republican. It's not unfair to think you'd have some pretty strong opinions about your own party.

Maybe you're like the people in Pittsburgh who are Steelers fans and don't watch the games and can only name a few star players, or better yet the owners.

So, in terms of this analogy, if you were from Detroit you'd be the same way, but a Lions far. And if you grew up in a big city, maybe you'd be a Democrat.

There's no aspirational component to your political views, you're just part of the landscape.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-08 11:01 PM | Reply

Fun tune...

The Blasters - Colored Lights
www.youtube.com

#63 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-12-08 11:01 PM | Reply

-American's are stupid as F**k.

They've always been that way.

#64 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-08 11:02 PM | Reply

Another tune...

The Blasters - Dark Night
www.youtube.com

#65 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-12-08 11:02 PM | Reply

@#64 ... They've always been that way. ,,,

Not really.

It is not that people are stupid.

It seems to be more that politics encourages, yeah let's say encourages, people to make decisions that may not be beneficial to them.

(I'm struggling to be kind here)


#66 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-12-08 11:06 PM | Reply

No, it's not. I agree. That is the system and by that measure Hitler was representing his followers. He was a good leader, to them. But how do we derail this train? Democracy can take us straight to hell. Where are the fail-safes?

Trump could win again, and dismantle our entire government in his own image like the Nazis did in Germany. I actually looks likely to me.Social Alienation is the problem. They're throwing bombs. They haven't been represented for years. They're sick of being ignored and taken for granted as voters. So they vote against their own self interest and then they're trapped in a world they didn't really want. It's not a good thing. I know in my heart that the Dems are blowing it big time. Authoritarianism or worse,is coming soon. I can see it falling into place,it's like we're in Weimar Germany.

I hope sincerely I'm wrong about this.

#67 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-12-08 11:17 PM | Reply

@#67 ... No, it's not. I agree. ...

So you say you disagree. Then you say you agree.

WTF are you agreeing or disagreeing with?

At least give some manner of backquote to show there is some rationality in your comment.

At this point, it just seems like your comments are babbling into space.

Of course, if that is your goal here, keep on...


#68 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-12-08 11:24 PM | Reply

I messed up that last post. I accidently left the first half of the previous comment and added on to it. It was a bit incoherent. I agree that the voters are represented by these ------- congressmen. That even bigots have a voice if there are enough of them. I just don't know how we stop it all from destroying itself. If they want it bad enough they will kill our republic and make trump like a King.

They will be fully represented if that happens.

But everyone else gets hosed.

Big Time.

#69 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-12-08 11:32 PM | Reply

For anyone who thinks Newsmax is anything but Russian disinformation, here is the cover of Newsmax Magazine's December issue. Hundreds of thousands of MAGAs get their news from Putin every day.
twitter.com

Shocking that Russia would peddle misinformation in the Unites States.


#70 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-12-08 11:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#1 ... Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.). "There's nobody back home that thinks you should cooperate, in red states, with Democrats at all. ...

I see problems with that statement on multiple levels.

Of course. We have grown ass people that act like spoiled three year olds voting into office representatives that mirror their petulant nature...look at Margie Traitor Green and Honey BoBo... Margie got into office by the actions of her spoiled brat voters threatening the lives of her opponents family to the point where it ruined his personal life and destroyed his family....yet they will proudly say they are the party of family values.

As more and more of these ignorant ---- getting into office the dysfunction in Washington will only grow worse. We are at the threshold of hell right now and it is the extremists pushing us over the cliff. Whether it is to own the libs or blow the whole thing up it is going to end in suffering and pain. These ----tains need to be rounded up by the FBI for their actions.

Jan 6th was just the first step in the numbnuts war on democracy...if they cannot have their way, they will destroy everything like the three year old who would rather smash their toy than share it with the other kids. Petulant entitlement is their guiding light...that is why trampy is their poster boy.

#71 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-12-09 08:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Another day in the DR- Eberly Collins shows his arse defending fascist nihilism not really but yeah and Effete is lecturing us about not voting out of spite.

Same as it ever was

#72 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-12-09 09:36 AM | Reply

Same as it ever was

#73 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-12-09 09:36 AM | Reply

Same as it ever was

#74 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-12-09 09:37 AM | Reply

Same as it ever was

#75 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-12-09 09:37 AM | Reply

-defending fascist nihilism

That's cute, skank.

Just cute as a button

#76 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-09 09:48 AM | Reply

Your words are right there for everyone to read, Susan.

#77 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-12-09 10:18 AM | Reply

Let me give you a simple example; I don't like rape. I think rape is bad 100 percent of the time. I don't care if the rapist is horny, I don't care if the person violated dressed like a bimbo, broke an organization's dress code, got too drunk, even invited a rapist into their house.

It's rape and it's 100 percent wrong. It's wrong in Saudi Arabia, even if the husband is legally permitted to rape his wife. I don't care if it's a gay man, being gay illegally in Iran, getting raped. It's still wrong.

There's no situation where you would ever see me be a Devil's advocate about rape. It's wrong on every level.

I certainly wouldn't start posting on a public blog explaining why even though rape is wrong, it's just the way it is. I certainly wouldn't be saying tough tootles, you got raped, now deal with it.

Cute as a button huh?

#78 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-12-09 10:28 AM | Reply

77

words are for the literate.

Show me you are literate (IOW, show me where I defend fascist nihlism)

78

Crazy ridiculous apples to oranges comparison.

It wasn't that long ago that members of the House of Rep would not dare vote against their constituents wishes on the issues of slavery, voting rights, womens rights, civil rights, etc.....throughout history we've had members of the House vote to support legal rape (to use your piss poor analogy)

Stop acting like it's some sort of new phenomenon that members of the House stuff their morals into the trash in favor of representing their district.

Geez.....

#79 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-09 10:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is a simple copy paste but it represents the Eberly arc to a tee. these are some very orangey-tasting apples, almost like the rationales between intentionally destroying democracy and rape, are worded almost the same.

-Meaning he's more concerned about his job than about doing what he knows is the right thing..
It's simpler to the congressman. winning re-election IS the right thing.
-unless you are saying that he should do the wrong thing even if he knows it is wrong, if that's what his lesser informed, hate-filled constituency wants.
Democracy is tough one, isn't it?

#16 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2021-12-08 05:26 PM | REPL

It's very unfortunate that when truly acting the best interest of everyone you represent (including those who didn't vote for you) could wind up being a political liability.
It's an awful reality that we have congressmen who are afraid of cooperation with the other side when that is what they should be striving to achieve.
But their fear is that their own party will get pissed at them and eventually financially back another candidate in the next primary and they're out. They'll get branded as soft and weak and liberal, etc.....
I personally know a former US congressman who this happened to. He bucked the leadership in his party, cooperated with democrats.....and the RNC backed another candidate in the next primary and beat him.
There are tons of cautionary tales out there.

#34 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2021-12-08 07:46 PM | REPLY |

It sucks. Bigots have a voice.
I would rather it not work this way...where bigots are listened to and pandered to. Trump's presence has given them courage to step up and demand their own brand of democracy.
I'm sorry....but it's not my fault, Effete.
#56 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2021-12-08 10:33 PM | REPLY | F

-American's are stupid as F**k.
They've always been that way.

#64 | POSTED BY EBERLY A

#80 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-12-09 10:54 AM | Reply

Skank, how is any of that defending fascist nihlism?

Telling you it's cold outside isn't defending Winter.

#81 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-09 10:57 AM | Reply

"This is a simple copy paste"....which is all you're capable of.

simple

stupid

#82 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-09 10:59 AM | Reply

Where did you go, Skank?

Come one.....you can watch the price is right anytime.

#83 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-09 11:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Now, I realize the days of the GOP vs Kennedy are in the past....and today's GOP is clearly taking the lack of cooperation to another level.
#18 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2021-12-08 05:57 PM | FLAG: MMMHHMMM

The Republicl0wns have been a recalcitrant pack of foot draggers since Obama got the ACA. The cl0wn brigade has been on a foot-dragging hissy fit ever since. I'm thinking it's just a cheap diversion to keep us from dwelling on the colossal failure of the Bushturd2 admin.

Like now, the more they keep us talking about the antics of Trumptidumped and his flock of flying Trumanzees the less focus is on just how bad his administration was.

#84 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-12-09 11:52 AM | Reply

#83 Sorry there Cassius, I had some work to do.

You aren't telling us it's winter. You are telling us it's winter and there's nothing that can be done about hypothermia.

My rape analogy is perfect, you are just too obtuse to see it.

#85 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-12-09 01:00 PM | Reply

The GOP has no problem spending the money or paying for it when they are in power, they only have a problem paying for it when they are not in power.

Anyone that thinks this is their brave stand of fiscal responsibility should go back to eating paste.

#86 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-12-09 01:21 PM | Reply

"Stop acting like it's some sort of new phenomenon that members of the House stuff their morals into the trash in favor of representing their district."

SO if the GOP have always* been racist trash, and you're GOP...

*at least since Lee Atwater's famous speech in 1981, which was before you could vote.

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-09 01:22 PM | Reply

Trump's presence has given them courage to step up and demand their own brand of democracy.

They're fine with democracy so long as they get everything they want.

They are children.

#88 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-12-09 01:23 PM | Reply

-My rape analogy is perfect, you are just too obtuse to see it.

comparing rape to a spineless politician?

I don't see it.

#89 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-09 03:00 PM | Reply

They are children.

"No, I said they are rapists. Are you trying to excuse rape?"

-Skank

#90 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-09 03:02 PM | Reply

I'm not sure where the confusion is.

These politicians represent the people who voted them into government. They are in agreement.

Is it hard to believe there are Americans who would rather see America fail than see it succeed while Democrats control Congress, while the President is Democratic?

Mike Rounds, Boobert, Margarine ... they're doing exactly what the people who voted them into office want them to do.

Stop Democrats.

#91 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-09 03:18 PM | Reply

91

You're right but you need to understand nobody thinks they would rather see American fail. They think they are right and the other side is wrong.

You understand that's why their heels are dug in so much, right?

IOW, they BELIEVE they are SAVING America......not killing it. That's the other guys.....

#92 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-09 03:23 PM | Reply

That's the point, Republicans are using every dirty trick in the book and Eberly is just fine with it because America.

#93 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-12-09 03:24 PM | Reply

Republicans are using every dirty trick in the book

Including some new dirty tricks to hamper elections in predominantly democratic districts.

We'll have too see what happens in the next few years.

#94 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-09 03:26 PM | Reply

-Eberly is just fine with it

I don't know what you're fine with or what keeps you up at night.

I don't care and it's really none of my business.

Why the obsession with what you think I'm fine with? You're obviously not concerned with being wrong about that because you're never right. It makes me think you want to be wrong....on purpose.....because you're just trolling for an argument over what I believe (which shouldn't matter to you anyway).

I want to play golf in December....but alas....it's snowing. I guess that means I WANT it to be snowing.

I'm telling you how it is.........if you just want to focus on sniffing my ass pretending you care what I want. Just move on.

It gets you nowhere and it kills good conversations.

Unless that's your goal? To kill a good discussion with this ----? You'd rather kill a discussion than participate in it?

#95 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-09 03:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

they BELIEVE they are SAVING America...

I get it when it comes to things like abortion and dealing with ignorant fears of minorities or the LGBT.

I don't get it when it comes to getting vaccinated, wearing masks, supporting an infrastructure bill.

Our nation has fallen behind others in Europe or Japan and South Korea.

There's a reason extremely conservative nations, like in the Middle East, are living in the Stone Age.

There's an overall fear of change from conservatives.

Also. While I agree politicians represent their voters. I also believe their voters are highly misinformed.

#96 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-09 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nothing can be done

#97 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-12-09 03:36 PM | Reply

-I don't get it when it comes to getting vaccinated, wearing masks, supporting an infrastructure bill.

bubbles. People live in bubbles.

-While I agree politicians represent their voters. I also believe their voters are highly misinformed."

unimaginably uninformed. And on their best days aren't remotely qualified to have an informed opinion on most subjects.

Foreign aid for example. There are plenty of other great examples as well.

IMO, this would be the hardest part of being a congressman...when polls tell you your district is overwhelmingly on the wrong side of an issue.

#98 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-09 03:41 PM | Reply

Nothing can be done

Mostly because there are no laws prohibiting spreading lies and misinformation.

Which is what the Republican Party thrives on.

Lies.

Literally spent months telling idiots the election was stolen.

Never backed off the narrative.

Democrats never slammed Republicans for all the lies.

The vast majority of Republicans still believe the election was stolen.

And this is just an overly apparent example.

They're doing it on a more subtle level.

Constantly.

#99 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-09 03:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

this would be the hardest part of being a congressman...when polls tell you your district is overwhelmingly on the wrong side of an issue.

It's only hard when you're lying and not actively part of the problem.

The mistake is believing that just because they're politicians they know better.

#100 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-09 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#96 | Posted by ClownShack

Before the GOP began pandering to evangelicals by dangling abortion, 50% of evangelicals were pro-choice.

In 1968, Christianity Today published a special issue on contraception and abortion, encapsulating the consensus among evangelical thinkers at the time. In the leading article, professor Bruce Waltke, of the famously conservative Dallas Theological Seminary, explained the Bible plainly teaches that life begins at birth:

"God does not regard the fetus as a soul, no matter how far gestation has progressed. The Law plainly exacts: 'If a man kills any human life he will be put to death' (Lev. 24:17). But according to Exodus 21:22"24, the destruction of the fetus is not a capital offense ... Clearly, then, in contrast to the mother, the fetus is not reckoned as a soul."

The magazine Christian Life agreed, insisting, "The Bible definitely pinpoints a difference in the value of a fetus and an adult." And the Southern Baptist Convention passed a 1971 resolution affirming abortion should be legal not only to protect the life of the mother, but to protect her emotional health as well.

#101 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-12-09 04:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

100

I don't really understand what you mean.

#102 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-09 04:41 PM | Reply

102

Does anyone understand what a liberal means?

#103 | Posted by beachb at 2021-12-09 05:14 PM | Reply

#102

I mean some of the idiots being elected, Boobert, Margarine ... actually believe what they're saying is the truth.

I don't believe they're lying.

I believe they're incredibly ignorant and very vocal about it.

#104 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-09 05:59 PM | Reply

Does anyone understand what a liberal means?
#103 | POSTED BY BEACHB

Thanks for your contribution.

#105 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-09 06:00 PM | Reply

104

I see. Fair point. I honestly don't know what runs around in the heads of nutjobs like the 2 you referenced.

Do they believe it or is it a con act? Are they genuine or sociopaths?

After thinking about what you posted for a couple minutes.....I agree with you. They believe it.

Which is the best way to sell it. Believe it yourself.

#106 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-09 06:07 PM | Reply

THis is just another example of how the MSM is not allied with the Dems. The MSM LOVES their Dems in disarray stories. They couldn't get enough of them during the negotiations over the infrastructure bill and BBB, but where are all the MSM stories on Fascists in disarray over this the Traitor Squad's Muslim hate speech?

#107 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-12-09 06:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Do they believe it or is it a con act? Are they genuine or sociopaths?

Definitely agree. There's a ton of con artists out there. McConnell and Cruz are two examples of politicians I believe know they're lying. But have gained by doing so.

Trump falls in this same category. I believe he knows he's lying and knows he's become the king of the Republican Party by doing so.

#108 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-09 06:36 PM | Reply

I get it when it comes to things like abortion and dealing with ignorant fears of minorities or the LGBT.

I don't get it when it comes to getting vaccinated, wearing masks, supporting an infrastructure bill.

#96 | Posted by ClownShack

It's really not hard to understand. Repubs are so brainwashed that all they can do is oppose everything dems propose no matter what.

First dems wanted to stop climate change. So repubs became pro climate change - too stupid to realize they live on this planet too.
Then dems wanted to stop a pandemic so repubs became pro pandemic - too stupid to realize it would kill them and their families

If dems cured cancer repubs would become pro cancer.

There is no bottom to their ethics or self destructive idiocy.

#109 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-12-09 06:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thank the NRA for beginning this "dems are demons spawn who want to install communism and turn your kids gay!" propaganda that has turned the republican party into a cult of paranoid delusional morons.

The NRA invented that game decades ago to protect gun profits. They didn't care what the collateral damage of poisoning the minds of the country would be.

#110 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-12-09 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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