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Wednesday, December 08, 2021

The White House: President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. held a secure video call today with President Vladimir Putin of Russia to discuss a range of issues on the U.S.-Russia agenda. President Biden voiced the deep concerns of the United States and our European Allies about Russia's escalation of forces surrounding Ukraine and made clear that the U.S. and our Allies would respond with strong economic and other measures in the event of military escalation. President Biden reiterated his support for Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity and called for de-escalation and a return to diplomacy. The two presidents tasked their teams to follow up, and the U.S. will do so in close coordination with allies and partners. The presidents also discussed the U.S.-Russia dialogue on Strategic Stability, a separate dialogue on ransomware, as well as joint work on regional issues such as Iran.

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I do not think there will be war involving the US with boots on the ground in Ukraine. But I do believe there will indeed will be hell to pay if Russia invades. I applaud Biden for telling Putin directly and up front how the US will respond if Russia does go that route. No ambiguity. Lay the cards on the table and proceed from there.

#1 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-12-08 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Putin is laughing at this administration. We beg him to produce more oil and then tell him there will be consequences if he invades. This is one of the prices we pay for shutting down our own energy production.

#2 | Posted by fishpaw at 2021-12-08 01:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"This is one of the prices America pays for shutting down their own energy production."

Signed,
Vladimir Putin's Propaganda Machine

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-08 01:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Russia is a weak and feeble joke in a head on conflict.

They couldn't even defeat Ukraine in an honest War.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2021-12-08 01:34 PM | Reply

The only thing that even keeps Russia a significant power is
there nukes, and Putin's saber rattling to use them.

#5 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-12-08 02:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As enamored as Trump was with Putin, he'd have traded the Ukraine for the right to build a Moscow hotel.

#6 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-12-08 02:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

AU

"As enamored as Trump was with Putin, he'd have traded the Ukraine for the right to build a Moscow hotel."

BINGO

And Putin would have traded the right to build a Moscow Hotel for Trump's help in clearing Russia's path to the Middle East through Ukraine.

Problem solved:

Russia gets the Middle East
Trump gets a hotel in Moscow
America gets the short end of the straw.

I wonder if that deal is still on the table for Trump's second term?

#7 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-12-08 02:48 PM | Reply

This is one of the prices we pay for shutting down our own energy production.

#2 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

US oil production is not as high as it was pre-pandemic. But it is back to 2018 levels and steadily climbing since Biden took office. Find a new scapegoat. Who is POTUS has little to do with oil prices.

www.eia.gov

#8 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-12-08 05:21 PM | Reply

Putin is laughing at this administration. We beg him to produce more oil and then tell him there will be consequences if he invades. This is one of the prices we pay for shutting down our own energy production.

#2 | Posted by fishpaw

Who told you we shut down our energy production? You're a gullible chump for believing them.

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-12-08 06:58 PM | Reply

War in Ukraine is not likely. They want concessions from the West, not war. This will lead to more energy sales in western Europe and the NATO expansion being shelved if the West Is at all intelligent about this.

If they're dumb, it will mean war.

A war that will hurt everyone more than the alternatives.

#10 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-12-08 10:32 PM | Reply

WHATSLEFT @ #8

"Who is POTUS has little to do with oil prices"

Except for this: www.whitehouse.gov ~

November 23, 2021 PRESIDENT BIDEN ANNOUNCES RELEASE FROM STRATEGIC PETROLEUM RESERVE AS PART OF ONGOING EFFORT TO LOWER PRICES

#11 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-12-08 11:19 PM | Reply

If you read Mr. Putin's response to President Biden's threat of sanctions, Russia has already blinked.

"In response, [the readout said that] Mr Putin told Mr Biden that responsibility should not be shifted to Russia since NATO was making attempts to "conquer Ukrainian territory" and was building up military potential.

"Therefore, Russia is interested in obtaining reliable, legally fixed guarantees, excluding expansion of Nato to the eastern direction and the deployment of offensive strike weapons systems in the states adjacent to Russia."

In short, Mr. Putin is trying to claim that Russian troops are there to protect Ukraine ~ not invade it.

Ukraine is fortunate that Joe Biden is President of the United States and not that former schmuck who wanted to disengage the United Stated from NATO so he could use American military to help Russia blitzkrieg over Ukraine and into Eastern Europe.

#12 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-12-09 01:00 AM | Reply

Who told you we shut down our energy production? You're a gullible chump for believing them.

#9 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-12-08 06:58 PM | REPLY

I didn't mean we stopped it completely, we went from a net exporter to needing to import. Biden shut down key stone and withdrew drilling leases. It's troubling that you need to be told that. And trotting out that Biden pulled from our strategic reserve? Really? It was 2 days worth. Gas prices dropped by 2 cents for about 2 days.

#13 | Posted by fishpaw at 2021-12-09 02:37 PM | Reply

Russia is a weak and feeble joke in a head on conflict.
They couldn't even defeat Ukraine in an honest War.

#4 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2021-12-08 01:34 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Yet for 4 years under Trump the left was telling us they were the most powerful country in the world and the biggest threat to our Democracy.

#14 | Posted by fishpaw at 2021-12-09 02:39 PM | Reply

"the left was telling us they were the most powerful country in the world"

LOL

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-09 02:42 PM | Reply

"and the biggest threat to our Democracy."

The GOP is the biggest threat to Democracy.
The GOP is backed by Russia.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-09 02:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Yet for 4 years under Trump the left was telling us they were the most powerful country in the world

#14 | Posted by fishpaw

Prove it. Show someone on the left saying that.

Unless of course you mean because russia controlled trump who controlled the most powerful country in the world....

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-12-09 03:00 PM | Reply

Who told you we shut down our energy production? You're a gullible chump for believing them.

#9 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-12-08 06:58 PM | REPLY

I didn't mean we stopped it completely, we went from a net exporter to needing to import. Biden shut down key stone and withdrew drilling leases. It's troubling that you need to be told that. And trotting out that Biden pulled from our strategic reserve? Really? It was 2 days worth. Gas prices dropped by 2 cents for about 2 days.

#13 | Posted by fishpaw

Oh so when you said we "SHUT DOWN OUR ENERGY PRODUCTION" you were just LYING.

Got it.

If your enemy was so horrible you wouldnt have to lie about him.

I can slander trump by telling the truth: He made the pandemic worse and got tens of thousands people killed, then tried to end democracy and replace it with fascism.

You have to make up lies to slander biden like "he SHUT DOWN energy production!"

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-12-09 03:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As enamored as Trump was with Putin, he'd have traded the Ukraine for the right to build a Moscow hotel. - AMERICAN UNITY

If that were true, then why didn't he. CNN and MSNBC told us Trump was bought and paid for by the Ruskies for the first 3 years of that presidency.

If you were correct, the time for them to take the Ukraine was in those 3 years.

So my question, again, is Why didn't Putin take Ukraine when he had a puppet in the White House??

#19 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2021-12-09 03:34 PM | Reply

So my question, again, is Why didn't Putin take Ukraine when he had a puppet in the White House??

#19 | Posted by jamesgelliott

You'll have to ask putin. But step one was installing a puppet president who took opposition to russia's invasion out of the GOP platform. Why do you think that was the only part of the platform trump cared to change?

Then he tried to lift the sanctions that were placed on russia for that invasion, but congress passed a law blocking him from doing that.

It took trump a while to weaken NATO and purge all the russia experts from the state department. Maybe Putin was waiting for trump to cripple the state department enough so that he could proceed with his plan.

It's undeniable at this point that trump was taking a lot of actions that help putin for some reason. So much so that HIS OWN PARTY voted to block him from lifting the sanctions on russia.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-12-09 04:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It took trump a while to weaken NATO and purge all the russia experts from the state department. Maybe Putin was waiting for trump to cripple the state department enough so that he could proceed with his plan.

Let's not forget about Trump disbanding the Pandemic Response Unit(s) at the NSC and Homeland Security.

Or Bush shutting down the Bin Laden Desk at the CIA before 9/11 despite the known threats Al Qaeda posed.

#21 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-12-09 05:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So my question, again, is Why didn't Putin take Ukraine when he had a puppet in the White House??

Securing a second term may have been more important and would have allowed Putin freedom to move unfettered.

Thing about Republicans is.

They learned from 2020 and have passed measures to make sure it cannot happen again.

I'm not sure what Democrats are up to.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-09 05:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"As enamored as Trump was with Putin, he'd have traded the Ukraine for the right to build a Moscow hotel. - AMERICAN UNITY
If that were true, then why didn't he."

What makes you think Putin offered Trump all that Trump was hoping for?
You know how Trump loves to negotiate.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-09 05:38 PM | Reply

"Securing a second term may have been more important and would have allowed Putin freedom to move unfettered." - CLOWNSHACK

YES, irrational conspiracy theorists like to put off their predictions as long as it it fits their agenda. Once their conspiracy theory collapses, they no longer recognize it because it results in a logical fallacy. They ignore it. So they move on to the next conspiracy. Thank you for a real time example.

#24 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2021-12-09 05:41 PM | Reply

What's irrational about what I posted?

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-09 05:51 PM | Reply

YES, irrational conspiracy theorists like to put off their predictions as long as it it fits their agenda. Once their conspiracy theory collapses, they no longer recognize it because it results in a logical fallacy. They ignore it. So they move on to the next conspiracy. Thank you for a real time example.

#24 | Posted by jamesgelliott

It's no longer a conspiracy theory that putin was working to elect trump, and that trump took many actions that strenghtened putin's position, removed his obstacles, and cleared the way for him to take ukraine.

Those are now simple historical facts. The conspiracy theory is "russiagate was a hoax".

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-12-09 05:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Might as well demand to know why Trump didn't hand his Presidency over to Putin.

Securing a second term was so paramount that we still having idiots saying the election was stolen.

Only so much can be done in 4 years.

You're a fool.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-09 05:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How about: Putin held off on seizing Ukraine in Trump's first term, as a hedge against a Trump loss, and because it would likely make Trunp look weak and end his political future. Then, when Putin seizes Ukraine later, it will make Biden look weak and Trump is the only one who can fix it.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-09 06:22 PM | Reply

The problem with having your enemies poisoned is that eventually the people doing the poisoning realize their employer is a very real threat to them.

#29 | Posted by Tor at 2021-12-09 06:23 PM | Reply

Russian media pines for Putin's --------------.

m.dailykos.com

#30 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-12-09 10:40 PM | Reply

#2 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

My state has more wells producing oil today than at any time under Trump. Total barrels produced has leveled off, that has more to do with oil prices and storage capacity than anything President Biden has said or done. Level production is more advantageous to the entire supply chain than constant peaks and valleys.

#31 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-12-09 11:02 PM | Reply

Ya'all seem to have forgotten a couple things about why Russia backed off attacking Ukraine in 2019.

1) Trump tried and failed to take the U.S. out of NATO.

2) Trump tried and failed to stop a pre-approved $250 Million U.S. military aid package to Ukraine for the purchase of the second contingent of the Javelin anti-tank missile launching system that was quite capable of stopping Russian advancement.

It was also reported at the time that Russia, without the U.S. assistance they expected to get from Donald Trump, was not financially capable of maintaining their troops amassed on Ukraine's border for an indefinite period of time.

With all that now water under the bridge, it begs the question about where else did Russia find the money to support this current threat ~ the threat that President Biden is blocking with promises of crippling sanctions supported by our European allies, Great Britian, France, Germany and Italy.

#32 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-12-09 11:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The money? Germany, stupid. EU is their #1 energy export destination.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-12-10 07:53 AM | Reply

Keynes, the sanctified economics guru, thought WW1 could only last a year. Its their economies, stupid! Turns out they just finance the wars. Sound familiar?

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-12-10 08:04 AM | Reply

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