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Wednesday, December 15, 2021

An Associated Press review of every potential case of voter fraud in the six battleground states disputed by former President Donald Trump has found fewer than 475 - a number that would have made no difference in the 2020 presidential election.

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Democrat Joe Biden won Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and their 79 Electoral College votes by a combined 311,257 votes out of 25.5 million ballots cast for president. The disputed ballots represent just 0.15% of his victory margin in those states.

The cases could not throw the outcome into question even if all the potentially fraudulent votes were for Biden, which they were not, and even if those ballots were actually counted, which in most cases they were not.

The review also showed no collusion intended to rig the voting. Virtually every case was based on an individual acting alone to cast additional ballots.

The findings build on a mountain of other evidence that the election wasn't rigged, including verification of the results by Republican governors.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-12-15 09:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I've stayed away from this issue because it's been so objectively stupid it hurts.

If I wanted to prove actual election fraud then it would have to come down to ballots that were thrown out.

If that actually happened then I would find a local race where the losing candidate won a seat on city council or county commission or school board....something that could happen with a relatively small number of ballots were messed with....say 50 or so.

We all know 50 ballots isn't going to impact an entire state's vote count (Florida in 2000 was an incredibly rare event) but it could impact a local race.

Find me a local race this happened?

Oh, you can't.

It's about ballots....not votes for a single race on a ballot....but the entire ballot.

#2 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-15 10:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#2. I expect that the Chinese thermostats would be programmed in a manner to avoid that detection. Otherwise I agree.

#3 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2021-12-15 12:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Follow the bamboo.

#4 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-12-15 03:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's about ballots....not votes for a single race on a ballot....but the entire ballot.

#2 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It certainly is about the ballots. You control which ballots get counted and which get tossed and then you control the outcome. That is exactly why the PowerPoint that Meadows turned over to congress included tossing out all electronic ballots. It was an instrumental part of Team Trump's plan to overturning the election results.

#5 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-12-15 03:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

What an effin ego trip on the part of the fraudsters. It doesn't get more self-absorbed than that. Cl0wns seem to think they are the center of the universe... it's embarrassing to share the same country with them.

#6 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-12-15 03:43 PM | Reply

This is not a surprise in the least, it tracks with historical standards for voter fraud, but the GQP has found a winning issue with their inbred MAGAt base who are afraid of people of color voting. So it's not really a voter fraud problem, it's that they don't want "those" people to vote, which is why all every piece of voter suppression legislation is surgically designed to disenfranchise voters of color other Democratic voters.

#7 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-12-15 03:55 PM | Reply

No Time, Didn't read - did they talk about how many of them are Republicans voting for Trump?

#8 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-12-15 04:10 PM | Reply

Inquiring minds want to know: will this conclusion and reporting be rebutted by all the evidence presented in those 60+ lawsuits filed nationwide in the weeks between election day 2020 and 1/6? Certainly all of that data, evidence and findings will overwhelm this "AP" report--if indeed "AP" means something other than 'anonymous people'. Our glorious leader Donald "God's Smarter Brother" Trump will reveal all upon regaining the presidency on November 47, or Decemberly 314 or during the first full moon of 2022--whichever comes second. All the patriotic tourists at the Capitol on Freedom Day (aka January 6, 2020) had the evidence needed to stop the steel, reinstate Mr. Trump (but not that traitor to the cause and heretic "Mike" Pence). Good guys with guns are needed to rally the truthful and faithful because of the thieves on the LEFT, like that communist socialist Liz Cheney, Nancy Pelosi and that Muslim Squad of OAC, Madonna, and Norah O'Donnell. We have spoken and will not speak again until we do...
-Too many wingnuts for the insurrection

#9 | Posted by catdog at 2021-12-15 04:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

like, "duh"...

so now instead the GOP
is just going to cheat to
get their way...

gerrymander the %&^! out of
all they can, make it harder
for college educated students
and minorities to vote, and,
you know, have a bunch of rabid
Trumpsters creepily hanging
outside of polls wearing t-shirts
with AR-15 pictures on them, and
bumper stickers of their local
white racist militias on their
Ford and Chevy pickup trucks.

manifest destiny people...
look it up... we are destroying
our own nation.

#10 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-12-15 04:29 PM | Reply

I've stayed away from this issue because it's been so objectively stupid it hurts.

If I wanted to prove actual election fraud then it would have to come down to ballots that were thrown out.

If that actually happened then I would find a local race where the losing candidate won a seat on city council or county commission or school board....something that could happen with a relatively small number of ballots were messed with....say 50 or so.

We all know 50 ballots isn't going to impact an entire state's vote count (Florida in 2000 was an incredibly rare event) but it could impact a local race.

Find me a local race this happened?

Oh, you can't.

It's about ballots....not votes for a single race on a ballot....but the entire ballot.

#2 | Posted by eberly

So you're saying your party's core belief and only priority - that the election was stolen so we have to rework our election system - is wrong?

Yeah I can see why you've stayed away from it.

Welcome to the party. Now stop voting for people who say the opposite of what you claim to believe.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-12-15 05:36 PM | Reply

Wasn't the majority of voter fraud found to have been committed by Republicans?

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-15 05:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Apparently, this must be news for BILLJOHNSON:

The number of cases identified so far by local elections officials and forwarded to prosecutors, local law enforcement or secretaries of state for further review undercuts Trump's claim. Election officials also say that in most cases, the additional ballots were never counted because workers did their jobs and pulled them for inspection before they were added to the tally.

"There is a very specific reason why we don't see many instances of fraud, and that is because the system is designed to catch it, to flag it and then hold those people accountable," said Amber McReynolds, a former director of elections in Denver and the founding CEO of the National Vote at Home Institute, which promotes mail voting.

The AP's review of cases in the six battleground states found no evidence to support Trump's various claims, which have included unsupported allegations that more votes were tallied than there are registered voters and that thousands of mail-in ballots were cast by people who are not on voter rolls. Dozens of state and federal courts have rejected the claims.


All of his allegations that the mail-in voting system is broken and incapable of catching fraud are completely baseless. The system does work; BILLJOHNSON's ignorant allegations notwithstanding.

#13 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-12-15 07:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I notice -------- Bill had been conspicuously absent in these threads. ------- coward.

#14 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-12-15 07:29 PM | Reply

Legal,

I've never said I believe Trump actually won.

Either you don't read what I write or you can't comprehend it.

Why should I post on this site since no one actually discusses the specific points I make?

#15 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-12-15 09:31 PM | Reply

Legal,

Let's put it this way.

The points I have been making are logical, sound and legitimate concerns.

Some day I will be vindicated and post here..."See I told you so".

#16 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-12-15 09:35 PM | Reply

Legal,

Even still it will go over people's heads on this site who will think it was just politically motivated rather than understanding it is all about protecting the integrity of our elections.

#17 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-12-15 09:38 PM | Reply

Legal,

We can't trade convenience for accuracy and expect a fair and honest election people can trust and believe in.

#18 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-12-15 09:41 PM | Reply

understanding it is all about protecting the integrity of our elections.
#17 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

That's the point of all this reporting. Legitimate research has PROVEN the current system has protected the integrity of elections.

Why are you willfully ignoring that basic fact?

#19 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-12-15 10:42 PM | Reply

Why should I post on this site since no one actually discusses the specific points I make?
#15 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

You never post specific points. You post unsupported generalization. You've never once explained how it is that wide spread mail in vote fraud can actually occur considering the protections that are in place.

#20 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-12-15 10:50 PM | Reply

Even still it will go over people's heads on this site who will think it was just politically motivated rather than understanding it is all about protecting the integrity of our elections.

#17 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2021-12-15 09

You just tattled on yourself. Of course it's politically motivated. Trump lost and you're mad as hell so you want to blame it on mail-in voting. You just aren't honest about it. Now Bye Felicia.

#21 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-12-16 12:33 AM | Reply

The points I have been making are logical, sound and legitimate concerns.
Some day I will be vindicated and post here..."See I told you so".
#16 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2021-12-15 09:35 PM | REPLY

No they aren't and you know it too. You're as dishonest as the day is long. You will never be able to say. I told you so because you're full of it.

#22 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-12-16 12:44 AM | Reply

Laura,

"Trump lost and you're mad as hell so you want to blame it on mail-in voting."

That just proves you believe what you want to believe.

I was expressing my concerns with mail-in ballots a month before the election.

#23 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-12-16 08:23 AM | Reply

I was expressing my concerns with mail-in ballots a month before the election.

When will you post proof that those concerns were well-founded?

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2021-12-16 09:11 AM | Reply

The only thing that COULD have happened to mail-in ballots has a name.

It's Louis DeJoy.

#25 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-12-16 10:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Some day I will be vindicated and post here..."See I told you so".
#16 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

You're an idiot. Mail-in ballots have been used without incident for decades. Go ahead and cling to your baseless beliefs, like everything else in your pathetic existence.

#26 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-12-16 11:28 AM | Reply

Even still it will go over people's heads on this site who will think it was just politically motivated rather than understanding it is all about protecting the integrity of our elections.

#17 | Posted by BillJohnson

With ZERO evidence that there is any problem with the integrity of our elections.

That is before your cult started purging election officials and rules that will stop them from cheating in 2022.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-12-16 02:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here's a warning for the GOP in Okiehomie: getting rid of mail-in ballots may turn the state purple. There are enough Dems in OKC and Tulsa to make things close if all the old folk in the small towns cannot mail in their votes. As for the First Americans hereabout, they mostly have casino profits so own cars, and are motivated by their collective hatred of our Governor Kevin "Brown Shoes" Stitt, who is up for re-election next year...

#28 | Posted by catdog at 2021-12-16 06:16 PM | Reply

Cat,

"getting rid of mail-in ballots may turn the state purple"

If you read my post, I am concerned about the integrity of the election results, not the actual results.

Frankly, the root cause of Jan 6 was mail-in ballots.

Without mail-in ballots, the Capital breakdown would have not happened.

#29 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-12-16 08:32 PM | Reply

That's. bull. ----.

Trump losing the election and coordinating violence is what caused 1/6.

#30 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-12-16 08:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Cat,

And I don't need a link telling me what I'm allowed to think.

Yet another of the major differences I see in the left and the right is the left is culturally part of some "group think" mentality where they need the approval of others to have opinions.

Next time a bunch of liberals get together you just watch them blend their opinions into some mish mash mess.

No..I don't have a link for that either.

#31 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-12-16 08:42 PM | Reply

Alex,

Trump losing the election would not have generated the public sentiment that the results were questionable without the mail-in ballots.

Think....

#32 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-12-16 08:43 PM | Reply

Alex,

He would have lost and been upset.

People who voted for him might still run around screaming "cheat" "cheat" but without the mail-in ballots nothing would have happened on Jan 6.

Think...

#33 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-12-16 08:46 PM | Reply

YOU think.

The grifter soon-to-be-ex-president told the crowd he was being robbed. He told them to fight. Giuliani said "trial by combat" FFS. There were a powerpoint telling Pence not to certify the election and when he didn't play ball the crowd threatened to hang him and stormed the capital.

Meanwhile, mail-in ballots BY OUR OVERSEAS SOLDIERS have been successfully counted in every election with no problem. NOW it's a problem?
No, the "problem" is that trump lost.
The Problem is empty headed followers of this cult leader like you.

#34 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-12-16 08:47 PM | Reply

We have mail-in ballots every election, bill.

The difference is that previous presidents that lost because of the vote didn't declare victory before the counting was done, like trump did, and cry that they were cheated, like trump did.

#35 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-12-16 08:49 PM | Reply

Think....
#32 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Pretty sure the irony of BillJohnson telling anyone else to "think" is lost on BillJohnson.

There's never been a more obsequious pawn than he.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-16 08:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Without mail-in ballots, the Capital breakdown would have not happened."
#29 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

ALEXANDRITR is absolutely right.

You're such a sucker. Mail-in ballots was only one of the many power points they all agreed to hammer into heads like yours as part of their "big lie."

How dumb can you possibly be?

#37 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-12-16 08:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Without mail-in ballots, the Capital breakdown would have not happened."

Without airplanes, 9/11 would not have happened!

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-16 09:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Alex,

"We have mail-in ballots every election, bill"

Not on this scale with processes quickly designed without being tested.

It's the number of votes that were handled this election in this manner that has created this doubt.

Do you really think all the people handling the ballots were all adequately trained?

Do you think people didn't work beyond the point of exhaustion without making mistakes?

In this day and age a voting method that is so manual is...well...stupid.

#39 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-12-16 09:07 PM | Reply

A fair solution is early voting.

People could have a month to get to the polls.

You can't very well cry voter suppression if people have a month to make the time to get there.

If you don't bother to go vote...don't complain.

#40 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-12-16 09:11 PM | Reply

We've had mail-in voting since 1775 successfully. You're such a disgrace and fraudster Bill Johnson. Apologizing for an insurrection I can't believe we're still having to deal with your diatribe at this point in time.

#41 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-12-16 09:23 PM | Reply

We have mail-in ballots every election, bill

Androgandrite is correct. We do have mail-in ballots every election. But not nearly on the scale we did during the Plandemic.

In a way it's funny to me, because mail-in ballots remind me a lot of these little vaccine cards. I have one that has my name, birthdate, and a legit lot number that can be tracked to a specific location. My little card would work great if I were ever in some blue-state urban -------- that required me to produce it for some minimum-wage schlub in order to eat in a restaurant. But if it were ever legitimately audited, I'd be ------.

Now rewind to 2020 where there were tens of millions of blank ballots simply "mailed out" into the ether. The election night comes. As the evening unfolds, the scum at CNN are increasingly despondent because the it's obvious Trump won.

Then boom. The lights go out. Live coverage is over. The boxes of "mail in" ballots come out. Enough "votes" are produced in precisely the right locations. And then we wake up the next morning to the "appropriate" election outcome.

Like magic, this no-campaigning, dementia-addled prop in his stupid ------- face-diaper has garnered 81 million votes. 81 million.

I don't believe that for a goddamn minute. And never will.

#42 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2021-12-16 09:26 PM | Reply

"Not on this scale with processes quickly designed without being tested.
It's the number of votes that were handled this election in this manner that has created this doubt.
Do you really think all the people handling the ballots were all adequately trained?
Do you think people didn't work beyond the point of exhaustion without making mistakes?
In this day and age a voting method that is so manual is...well...stupid.
#39 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

What a diaper-load diarrhea.

Apparently, you haven't emersed yourself in the digital age yet.

#43 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-12-16 09:45 PM | Reply

People voted NOT TRUMP, Mao_adjusted. The votes "Came in late" because of the rules republicans and democrats have agreed upon: That mail-in votes are counted last. Democrats voted mail in because there's an epidemic and they were told to vote by mail. Republicans voted in person because Trump didn't care for their safety and told them to vote in person.

PS- "---- your feelings"

#44 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-12-16 09:46 PM | Reply

A fair solution is early voting.
People could have a month to get to the polls.

BillJohnson...

for once we agree.

#45 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-12-16 09:47 PM | Reply

Twin,

I have been installing microcomputers and integrated accounting systems for 30 years.

#46 | Posted by Billjohnson at 2021-12-16 10:35 PM | Reply

"Plandemic"

This nilla WOKE

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-16 10:38 PM | Reply

"Now rewind to 2020 where there were tens of millions of blank ballots simply "mailed out" into the ether."

Why's "mailed out" in quotes?

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-16 10:40 PM | Reply

"It's the number of votes that were handled this election in this manner that has created this doubt."

It's the outcome which created this doubt.

The way you can tell is this doubt only exists among conservative malcontents.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-16 10:40 PM | Reply

It's Mao's little Bob Ross world, and with his little man brush he creates "happy little accidents" by transforming his cloudy half-baked ruminations into conniving and complex, cleverly constructed conspiracy theories.

#50 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2021-12-16 10:52 PM | Reply

I don't believe that for a goddamn minute. And never will.
#42 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

Who gives a shht? You're a fkkking R ----.

If there was fraud. Republicans would have proved it.

All Republicans proved is how gullible and stupid their voters are.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-16 11:14 PM | Reply

I have been installing microcomputers and integrated accounting systems for 30 years.

Big ------- deal. I did FORTRAN on punch cards but that doesn't make me special.

#52 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-12-16 11:20 PM | Reply

No fraud. Proven again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again...

I think that covers all of them, so far.

#53 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-12-16 11:39 PM | Reply

Why should I post on this site since no one actually discusses the specific points I make?
#15 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

You've been hammering this site over and over that there's zero integrity in the vote-by-mail system. This has been proven incorrect over and over (see my #53).

Yet you refuse to acknowledge ANY of this proof. Why is that? The system is working as intended, catching attempted fraud. There wasn't even enough ATTEMPTED fraud to make any significant impact on the election's outcome. Yet you still cry "Neh!"

Enough with your ----! Vote-by-mail has all the integrity it needs, is fully capable of identifying attempted fraud, and protects the integrity of the election overall appropriately.

Time for you to swallow it.

#54 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-12-16 11:43 PM | Reply

It's about ballots....not votes for a single race on a ballot....but the entire ballot.
#2 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It's about discrediting the way we hold elections, so that when Republicans seize power after (losing) an "unfair" election, Republicans will say they are justified in doing so.

(This is the thing that rubs people the wrong way about you, Eberly You understand that, and yet that you're still a Republican. You seem like a nice enough guy, so it's hard for people to accept that you're so nonchalant about the antics the Republicans have been engaged in for years now towards seizing power.)

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-16 11:53 PM | Reply

Then boom. The lights go out. Live coverage is over. The boxes of "mail in" ballots come out. Enough "votes" are produced in precisely the right locations.

Going into November, Wisconsin Republicans refused to change the election laws to allow mail-in ballots to be counted early. What you view as a late-nught "dump" was actually just compliance with statutorily-mandated order of operations (mail-in ballots get counted last, and all in one sitting). Wisconsin is not the only state like this.

And of course there will be more mail-in ballots from high population liberal areas - there are more people there and they are actually afraid of getting Covid.

#56 | Posted by JOE at 2021-12-17 08:47 AM | Reply

#56 - Mao knows the truth, and it is exactly as you said, Joe. Not just Wisconsin, either. Many states prohibit counting or publishing of the mail in vote until the election is over. Anyone paying attention knew that and knew that the totals were going to change because of it. Anyone paying attention knew who voted early, and who voted live at the polls and how that would possibly change the counts. Every single news organization, even Fox News knows this and kept telling people about it.

It's even published:
ballotpedia.org

He knows all that, but he never stops pushing lie after lie. Always a victim. Always a Poor Boy.

#57 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-17 09:14 AM | Reply

#56 True. This article contains a chart of when each state began counting :

In Swing States, Officials Struggle To Process Ballots Early Due To Strict Local Laws

A record number of voters are expected to cast their ballots by mail this year, and in most states, election officials can begin processing that deluge of ballots in the weeks before Election Day.

But in a handful of states, election workers can't begin the work of opening envelopes, verifying signatures and removing secrecy sleeves, let alone counting, until the day of the election. In swing states where the margins of victory are likely to be close, those rules may mean it takes hours or days after the polls close before a winner is declared.

www.npr.org

IOW, the boom was intentionally built into the system by GOP legislatures to create the very scenario Trump could then lambast as evidence of the election being rigged.

#58 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-12-17 09:16 AM | Reply

#58 - Newsworthy

#59 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-17 09:21 AM | Reply

#57 as well, Yav. I didn't see your post when I made mine or I wouldn't have made it.

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-12-17 09:28 AM | Reply

I liked your post better, Gal. Right to the point.

#61 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-17 11:08 AM | Reply

It's about ballots....not votes for a single race on a ballot....but the entire ballot.
#2 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Ah yes. What a good little Trumptilian ... still pushing Trumptilian lies.

"We're going to have to see what happens," Trump said. "You know that I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots, and the ballots are a disaster."

Pressed further, Trump said: "We'll want to have " get rid of the ballots and you'll have a very " we'll have a very peaceful " there won't be a transfer, frankly. There'll be a continuation."

#62 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-12-17 01:10 PM | Reply

62

I have no idea what you're arguing there.

Seriously. What do you think I said? What "Trumptilian lie" am I telling?

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-17 01:16 PM | Reply

475 instances, and that is not proven voter fraud, only POSSIBLE voter fraud. In the six swing states.
The BIG LIE EXPOSED, chapter 2.

#64 | Posted by e1g1 at 2021-12-17 01:34 PM | Reply

"that is not proven voter fraud, only POSSIBLE voter fraud."

Exactly.

The type where two people named Josephina Hernandez with the same March 19th birthday voted.

#65 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-12-17 01:41 PM | Reply

At what point does pointing out right wing nonsense become mistreatment of the disabled?

They have all been brainwashed to repeat Tucker and Hannity,'s talking points until Jesus returns (Trump'24) .
Forget logic and reason

#66 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2021-12-17 02:33 PM | Reply

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