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Tuesday, January 11, 2022

President Biden and Vice President Harris Speak to the American People about the Urgent Need to Pass Legislation to Protect the Constitutional Right to Vote and the Integrity of Our Elections

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The right to vote is already protected. This is just a bunch of BS to try and have the federal government usurp the states' ability to run their elections.

And you clowns claimed Trump was breaking norms. Nothing he did even came remotely close to this.

#1 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 05:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Do it. Nuke the bastards.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:15 PM | Reply

#1 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER A

Why do you deny you are a fascist and then behave this way?

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nothing he (Trump) did even came remotely close to this.

#1 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Fascists, before they are anything else, are liars.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

For Zed the ends always justify the means.

In 2017 when Democrats were in the minority they passed a resolution (17 Republicans signed on) protecting Senate norms including the filibuster. It's amazing how things change when they have a tiny 12 seat majority in the House and a 50/50 tie in the Senate.

Fortunately Manchin and Sinema won't sign on to nuking the filibuster.

Think about this: Let's say 2022 is a landslide win for the GOP and come 2024 they have the WH, House and Senate. Y'all will be damn happy the filibuster is still in place and will be apoplectic if it's not in place and the GOP has a POTUS who knows how to unite his/her own party.

#5 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 05:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This is just a bunch of BS to try and have the federal government usurp the states' ability to run their elections.

#1 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

No State has the right to hand victories to Republicans.

That's not democracy. That's not America.

You people like to brag about American exceptionalism while emulating Russia.

Stop dragging the country of your birth through the dirt.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For the entirety of this country's existence, the states have handled our elections. The federal government usurping that is a historical break of norms, Zed. What I said is 100% accurate.

#7 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 05:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#6 No state is handing victories to Republicans.

What Democrats are trying to do is unprecedented.

#8 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 05:23 PM | Reply

#5 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I can, and have always lived, with fair and free elections that do not go my way and the resultant fruits of those elections.

I'm not going to live with your fascist lies and manipulations in pursuit of power.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

9

I think you will live with it, Zed.

What's the alternative?

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2022-01-11 05:25 PM | Reply

What Democrats are trying to do is unprecedented.

#8 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER A

What you're trying to do we've seen in every fascist and authoritarian regime in my lifetime and well before.

You don't just get to threaten people and destroy their access to the vote. No matter how much Trump or some Trump close creams your jeans.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's the alternative?

#10 | POSTED BY EBERLY A

We don't let you do it.

What do you think?

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:26 PM | Reply

For the entirety of this country's existence, the states have handled our elections.

#7 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER A

Except when those States have abrogated the rights of their citizens.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The federal government usurping that is a historical break of norms, Zed. What I said is 100% accurate.

#7 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

See #13. I remind you of what you already know, liar.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's telling the amount of prominent people of color who skipped this. Even Stacy Abrams had a 'scheduling conflict'. As one man said on our local news this morning, too little, too late (of Biden/Harris).

#15 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2022-01-11 05:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm not going to live with your fascist lies and manipulations in pursuit of power.
#9 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2022-01-11 05:23 PM

I haven't told any lies.

THIS is a lie:

What you're trying to do we've seen in every fascist and authoritarian regime in my lifetime and well before.
You don't just get to threaten people and destroy their access to the vote.

Nobody is being threatened and nobody's access to vote has been destroyed.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 05:28 PM | Reply

Except when those States have abrogated the rights of their citizens.

#13 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2022-01-11 05:27 PM

Which hasn't happened. In fact, that is a bald-faced lie.

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 05:29 PM | Reply

-We don't let you do it.

Zed doesn't let me do something?

Wait...what?

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2022-01-11 05:30 PM | Reply

Nobody is being threatened and nobody's access to vote has been destroyed.

#16 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You people threaten others every god-damned day and have been doing it for years. You are doing it NOW.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My suggestion is that the people who write this tripe dispense with the apoplectic ---------.

It's not a "defining moment".

Nobody's changing the filibuster rules.

Biden is a dementia-addled prop with zero ability whatsoever to be "forceful" about anything.

The American political Left is already ------- unhinged over various narrative-driven "existential" threats to humanity (Climate Change, COVID, "Systemic" Racism, etc.).

Don't set them up for yet another emotional blow by calling their attempts to do unprecedented stupid ---- a "defining moment".

#20 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-01-11 05:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Now all the libbie dems have to do is amend the Constitution....if they can. States Right Baby!

#21 | Posted by MSgt at 2022-01-11 05:31 PM | Reply

Which hasn't happened. In fact, that is a bald-faced lie.

#17 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You've been hiding beneath a fascist rock sense the Civil War.

I was born and raised in the South. I've SEEN it.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:31 PM | Reply

And then he made it a headline :)

#23 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-01-11 05:31 PM | Reply

I haven't told any lies.

#16 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I pointed one out to you, and then you lied again.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:33 PM | Reply

It's obvious the right has blown up the whole voter fraud thing as though it's been a real problem.

The lack of proof of any elections being swung over not having voter id or anything else some of these states have imposed.....It's been a huge boogie man kind of thing. No quantitative proof the additional protections are necessary.

But the folks not getting to vote??

Quantify that. How many are not getting to vote now that will vote once we get this law the democrats are pushing for?

In the end, the SCOTUS will decide this, right?

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2022-01-11 05:33 PM | Reply

#22 We don't have poll taxes or literacy tests any more. Voter intimidation is taken very seriously unless it's Black Panthers engaging in it with Eric Holder as AG then cases of intimidation get thrown out.

None of the things you say are happening are actually happening. None of them.

#27 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 05:35 PM | Reply

Had Trump and his Bellheads not tried to circumvent the will of the People in several states, by violence in the Capitol Building during a purely ceremonial, and to some of us sacred, Constitutional process of the peaceful change of power, no less, by using tactics that even GOP Sens told Pence were not Constitutional, we wouldn't be talking about having to make it perfectly clear in the Law that none of the above is Constitutional.

So, once again, they are whining here about things they create with their very own stupidity.

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2022-01-11 05:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

In the end, the SCOTUS will decide this, right?

#25 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2022-01-11 05:33 PM

No. Fact is nuking the filibuster is necessary in order for this to even have a chance of happening. Manchin and Sinema don't appear willing to budge on the filibuster which means this is just a wet dream for the left.

#29 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 05:37 PM | Reply

I haven't told any lies.
#16 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER
I pointed one out to you, and then you lied again.

#24 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2022-01-11 05:33 PM

You called it a lie, but it's not. It's accurate. The only person lying on this page is you, Zed.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 05:39 PM | Reply

We don't have poll taxes or literacy tests any more.

#27 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Sounds like a backhanded way to admit that the States HAVE abrogated the right to vote.

You want to admit that you fibbed or just close your eyes and stumble forward?

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:39 PM | Reply

You called it a lie, but it's not. It's accurate.

#30 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You already stepped in it, attempted to wipe it off, and failed.

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:40 PM | Reply

#31 We are talking about the present, Zed. We all know about Jim Crow, slavery, etc. We haven't had anything like that in over several decades, and that's a good thing that we haven't.

None of those things are happening in the present. None.

#33 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 05:41 PM | Reply

None of those things are happening in the present. None.

#33 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER A

This is what's truly galling about fascists. We have Republican operatives in government reduce voting locations at times by a factor of seven in Georgia and THIS maggot thinks there isn't any cheating going on.

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We have fascists attempt, repeatedly, to interfere with Black churches vote at times good for them.

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:44 PM | Reply

We have fascist laws passed that you can't give food and drink to someone standing in line for hours to vote.

HOURS waiting because their fascist Republican government won't provide enough polling stations.

#36 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:45 PM | Reply

"The same people who say requiring ID to vote is fascist want to require ID with vax status to go into a store just to buy food."

Doofus: do we actually have to explain to you how Covid is spread?!?

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-01-11 05:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We have fascist Republicans MOVING the location of polling stations so voters won't find them.

We have fascist Republican criminalize giving voters rides to the polls.

ALL these things are happening NOW, and more besides.

You know all of it without my typing it.

Fascist.

#38 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#33 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

How people like you manage to live with yourselves is a mystery, long pondered.

Evil? Crazy? Both?

Doesn't matter. You have to be stopped.

Nuke the filibuster and let's take our chances after.

#39 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-11 05:49 PM | Reply

This is just a bunch of BS to try and have the federal government usurp the states' ability to run their elections.

Why should states be able to inhibit voters in a nation, or any, election?

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-01-11 05:56 PM | Reply

Poor Zed.

I haven't seen him this ready to stroke out since Cheney's Evil Cabal was on the precipice of turning us into the Weimar Republic.

LOL.

#41 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-01-11 05:56 PM | Reply

The federal government usurping that is a historical break of norms, Posted by BellRinger

Actually, that's not true. The Voting Rights Act of 1965, required states well known for implementing racial barriers to voting to be preapproved before they could be enacted. This lasted until June 2013 when the Supreme Court ruled several of the clauses to be unconstitutional.

www.ncsl.org

So prior actions do say, the Federal government can and has altered states voting rights.

#42 | Posted by BBQ at 2022-01-11 05:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Joe Biden was elected because after 37 years of being a senator, he knew how to get senators to compromise. He's done nothing of the sort and it appears that he doesn't really give a ----. If he can't get Manchin and Sinema on board, he's not doing what he was elected to do. The way it looks, Joe Biden wanted Republicans to be the senate majority so that his proposals would fail and he could say he tried his best, but Republicans foiled the Democrats again. Instead he has to do something and he can't get it done.

#43 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-01-11 05:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This is what's truly galling about fascists. We have Republican operatives in government reduce voting locations at times by a factor of seven in Georgia and THIS maggot thinks there isn't any cheating going on.

#34 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2022-01-11 05:42 PM

This is where your lying is truly annoying. Georgia has more voting access with their new law than they did in '16 and '18. Georgia has more access than the liberal states of New York and Delaware.

#44 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:04 PM | Reply

#42 This isn't altering states laws as a result of unconstitutional measures like poll taxes and literacy tests. This is the federal government taking over voting and none of these states' laws that have Zed so worked up into a lather have any unconstitutional provisions and in each case the states that have changed their laws have improved voting access from where they were in 2018.

#45 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:06 PM | Reply

No State has the right to hand victories to Republicans.

Do they have a right to "hand" victories to Democrats?

#46 | Posted by boaz at 2022-01-11 06:07 PM | Reply

"For the entirety of this country's existence, the states have handled our elections."

19th Amendment on Line 1.
Voting Rights Act on Line 2.

You can take your revisionist history and cram it, BellRinger.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 06:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

42 and 43... actually talking about the issues. How refreshing! It's like cow paddies; usually they are just piles of poop, but sometimes there's a magic mushroom under one of them!

You know, rather than the piles of troll poop around here. Nothing under those at all.

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2022-01-11 06:09 PM | Reply

We have fascist laws passed that you can't give food and drink to someone standing in line for hours to vote.
HOURS waiting because their fascist Republican government won't provide enough polling stations.

#36 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2022-01-11 05:45 PM

That's another lie. Anyone can hand out food and drink so long as they are more than 100 feet away from the entry of the polling station. Also, poll workers can also hand out food and drink. Quit your lying, Zed. Actually, you might not be lying, just misinformed.

#49 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:09 PM | Reply

We have fascist Republican criminalize giving voters rides to the polls.

I'm assuming you have a citation for that claim.

#50 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:10 PM | Reply

"unconstitutional measures like poll taxes

Poll taxes are only unconstitutional because the Twenty-Fourth Amendment says so.

For the majority of our history, poll taxes have been perfectly legal.

Take your revisionist history elsewhere.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 06:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I did find this:

The law prohibits voter advocacy organizations from paying for transportation to bring voters to the polls and ride-sharing companies such as Lyft and Uber from offering discounted rides to Michigan voters on Election Day. It does not prohibit volunteers from driving voters to the polls for free.

So, once again Zed is either lying or he doesn't have his facts straight.

www.freep.com

#52 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:13 PM | Reply

"Georgia has more voting access with their new law than they did in '16 and '18."

So what?

According to you, Georgia should be allowed to restrict access even beyond what they did in 16 and 18.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 06:14 PM | Reply

#48

I like President Biden, but he has to get off his ass and go to work. He said in the speech today that he's had quiet conversations, but that he's not going to be quiet anymore. It's about damn time but he can't sit around with his finger up his ass anymore. Go to work or get the hell outta the way.

#54 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-01-11 06:14 PM | Reply

Poll taxes are only unconstitutional because the Twenty-Fourth Amendment says so.

The 24th Amendment is part of the Constitution, is it not?

#55 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:14 PM | Reply

According to you, Georgia should be allowed to restrict access even beyond what they did in 16 and 18.

#53 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-01-11 06:14 PM

But they didn't do that. They expanded access.

#56 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:15 PM | Reply

"The law prohibits voter advocacy organizations from paying for transportation to bring voters to the polls"

And why would that need to be criminalized?

How does making that illegal strengthen democracy?

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 06:15 PM | Reply

"But they didn't do that. They expanded access."

Unless someone was paying for your Uber to the polls.

Then, they denied access.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 06:16 PM | Reply

It's the money aspect of it. "Here's a carton of smokes. You will vote Democrat, right?"

#59 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:16 PM | Reply

"The 24th Amendment is part of the Constitution, is it not?"

Before it was passed, people like you strongly opposed it!

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 06:17 PM | Reply

#58 The article I posted is from the state of Michigan, not Georgia. Further, Any volunteer can drive anyone to the polls for free.

#61 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:17 PM | Reply

"Here's a carton of smokes. You will vote Democrat, right?"

A carton of smokes, is this election being held in prison?

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 06:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#60 why do you constantly feel the need to falsely assign positions to people.

It's dishonest as hell.

#63 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:18 PM | Reply

"Further, Any volunteer can drive anyone to the polls for free."

There isn't always a volunteer available.

Why shouldn't I be able to buy you an Uber to get to the polls? There's no mechanism for no to control your vote there.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 06:19 PM | Reply

It's dishonest as hell.
#63 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You're dishonest as he'll.
Here, I'll prove it:
What was your previous username?

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 06:20 PM | Reply

"The law prohibits voter advocacy organizations from paying for transportation to bring voters to the polls"

Obstructionist --------.

Anyone should be able help voters get to the polls by any means necessary. It's the voter's right.

#66 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-01-11 06:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Anyone can hand out food and drink so long as they are more than 100 feet away from the entry of the polling station."

Is there a particular food or drink which changes the way people vote?

What conceivable protection does this bring to democracy?

Since this is a new law, are all prior elections invalid?

Are all future elections in states that don't have this law invalid?

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 06:24 PM | Reply

"Here's a carton of smokes. You will vote Democrat, right?"

Sure!

And then they go in and vote however they want.

That's a weak argument, BallDinger.

#68 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-01-11 06:25 PM | Reply

Anyone should be able help voters get to the polls by any means necessary. It's the voter's right.

#66 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

Does that include by use of a limo with a fully stocked bar?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, BTW.

#69 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:25 PM | Reply

#62

I FF #62 because it was actually funny.

It's not one of those sissy passive aggressive FF's.

Just wanted to make that clear.

#70 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-01-11 06:26 PM | Reply

#67 Here is a term for you to Google: Electioneering. In most states it's not allowed within a certain distance to the polling station.

#71 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:27 PM | Reply

#69

------- limo's or a helicopter or a godam private jet or submarine. Line 'em up. If Thurston Howell III wants to get Republicans to the polls and it's costs him millions, I'm all for it. Same with Democrats.

#72 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-01-11 06:29 PM | Reply

Keep in mind the Uber/Lyft thing isn't in Georgia's law, it's in Michigan law and last I checked Michigan ain't exactly a red state.

#73 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:31 PM | Reply

Bellringer, you had no damn problem with Republicans changing it in 2017 after using it for a year to stop Obama from appointing a Supreme Court justice.

So stop lying. You have no issue with the filibuster. You just want Republicans to put in racist gerrymandering.

#74 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-01-11 06:34 PM | Reply

The problem with driving people to the polls is that voters' rights advocates can be biased will pick which demographic they want to drive and focus on it.

Since voting by mail is legal in all 50 states and is actually easier for a handicapped person than getting dressed, possible med or O2 carrying, anxiety coping, why is it necessary to get a ride? What scenario is it that makes voting by mail more difficult than getting a ride to the polls?

#75 | Posted by jakester at 2022-01-11 06:37 PM | Reply

Bellringer, you had no damn problem with Republicans changing it in 2017 after using it for a year to stop Obama from appointing a Supreme Court justice.

First off, the GOP didn't filibuster Garland. They had the majority and what they did (along with Barrett) had historical precedence, even though I felt Garland should have gone through the process.

Secondly, Democrats nuked the filibuster for all nominations except SCOTUS and the only reason they kept that in place was because they didn't think a vacancy would occur while they had a majority (they were right, they lost their majority in 2015). All the GOP did was take what Democrats did to its logical conclusion. In 2017 Democrats were kicking themselves over their short-sightedness. Had they not gotten greedy and invoked the nuclear option they could have kept Betsy Devos from heading the DOE.

#76 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:40 PM | Reply

"why is it necessary to get a ride?"

Because in some states, "needing a ride" isn't a valid reason for an absentee ballot. Not all states are "no-excuse" states.
www.ncsl.org

#77 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-01-11 06:45 PM | Reply

Georgia has more voting access with their new law than they did in '16 and '18. Georgia has more access than the liberal states of New York and Delaware.

#44 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Liar

www.nytimes.com

What Georgia's Voting Law Really Does
The New York Times analyzed the state's new 98-page voting law and identified 16 key provisions that will limit ballot access, potentially confuse voters and give more power to Republican lawmakers.

#78 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 06:46 PM | Reply

That's another lie. Anyone can hand out food and drink so long as they are more than 100 feet away from the entry of the polling station. Also, poll workers can also hand out food and drink. Quit your lying, Zed. Actually, you might not be lying, just misinformed.

#49 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER A

Why is it even necessary that voting takes so long that people waiting in line need food and water to survive the process?

But voting is quite accessible.

Do you even think?

#79 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 06:47 PM | Reply

#78 Your article is behind a paywall.

Also, what I said in #44 is accurate. Your link that I can't open doesn't disprove that.

#80 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:48 PM | Reply

Most liberal articles are behind paywalls..

And they dont allow comments.

#81 | Posted by boaz at 2022-01-11 06:50 PM | Reply

It's telling the amount of prominent people of color who skipped this.

People of color are smart enough to know not to gather in groups during this pandemic.

#82 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-01-11 06:50 PM | Reply

@#1 ... The right to vote is already protected....

Not well enough, apparently.

The Republicans have been trying to make it more difficult to vote for some population segments who do not usually vote for Republicans.

While those people will still have the right to vote, the Republicans are trying to make it more difficult for that selected segment of the population to vote.


#83 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-11 06:50 PM | Reply

Why is it even necessary that voting takes so long that people waiting in line need food and water to survive the process?

Nobody needs food and water while waiting in line. I didn't even know that was a thing until the whole kerfuffle over the Georgia voting law, which even Stacy Abrams has stopped criticizing.

#84 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:50 PM | Reply

And oh yea. America is NOT a democracy..

Until you can come to that conclusion, you arent worthy of debate.

#85 | Posted by boaz at 2022-01-11 06:51 PM | Reply

According to you, Georgia should be allowed to restrict access even beyond what they did in 16 and 18.

#53 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-01-11 06:14 PM
But they didn't do that. They expanded access.

#56 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT

No, they didn't, liar.

www.bbc.com

#86 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 06:51 PM | Reply

And you clowns claimed Trump was breaking norms. Nothing he did even came remotely close to this.

#1 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Do you make a point of proving every day what an idiot you are?

#87 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-11 06:52 PM | Reply

And oh yea. America is NOT a democracy..
Until you can come to that conclusion, you arent worthy of debate.

#85 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Until you realize what a dumb useless comment this is you're not worthy of debate.

#88 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-11 06:53 PM | Reply

"America is NOT a democracy."

Tell us why we vote if America is not a democracy, Boaz.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 06:53 PM | Reply

#78 Your article is behind a paywall.
Also, what I said in #44 is accurate. Your link that I can't open doesn't disprove that.

#80 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER A

my link, which you didn't read, doesn't disprove what you said. umm ok

I can't even.

I mean, really, can someone explain to gunga how stupid he is?

Please? Someone? Anyone?

#90 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 06:54 PM | Reply

No, they didn't, liar.
www.bbc.com

#86 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2022-01-11 06:51 PM

You obviously didn't even bother reading your own link. It proves me right.

#91 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:55 PM | Reply

For the entirety of this country's existence, the states have handled our elections. The federal government usurping that is a historical break of norms, Zed. What I said is 100% accurate.

#7 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

en.wikipedia.org

DuUhH iT;S InCOncEiVaBLe!

Seriously, dude. Just stop. Please. It's embarrassing.

#92 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-11 06:55 PM | Reply

Nobody needs food and water while waiting in line. I didn't even know that was a thing until the whole kerfuffle over the Georgia voting law, which even Stacy Abrams has stopped criticizing.

#84 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER A

Because many people have to spend HOURS in line to vote.

Funny thing is they are mostly POC.

www.npr.org

#93 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 06:56 PM | Reply

#90 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

That's because I know what is actually in the Georgia law and I made factual statements as a result of that knowledge.

You likely reacted emotionally to all of the leftwing -------- about that law and never actually looked into it yourself.

It's not your fault that you've been misinformed and mislead. It is your fault if you persist with it now that it's been brought to your attention.

#94 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:57 PM | Reply

#92 The voting rights act didn't take over states running their elections.

#95 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 06:58 PM | Reply

#86 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2022-01-11 06:51 PM
You obviously didn't even bother reading your own link. It proves me right.

#91 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Example
FTA: The new law does significantly reduce the number of drop boxes from the 2020 level.

IOW, you are a liar.

#96 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 06:58 PM | Reply

Bellringer, you and the other
braindead rightwing mouthpieces
and drones on this site are why I don't post here as often anymore. You know your wrong,
yet you post B.S. anyways. In large part,
this is what is wrong with the country now-a-
days. One political party (dems) still trying to fix this nation's ills, the other party
(rethugs) have given up on cooperating or listening altogether. They know the don't have to, their followers are as dumb as the day is long, sliting their own economic wrists, and only need to be thrown some red meat, a useless slogan, or hear the rallying cry of 'der gonna take yer guns!!' for the umpteenth time and they will vote against their own self-interest.
There is no reason trying to debate those who choose ignorance over intelligence, religious fervor over logic, or propaganda over common sense. I have lived long enough now, to watch some 40+ years of rethuglican slide towards ignorance, lies, facism, and tyranny to know that nothing will dissuade you from your task of tearing down this once great nation to try and remold it into some sort of Apartheid Racist Shell of its former self. But when the smoke clears, the ash settles, this nation lies in ruins, and all the lies you and millions of others bought into on the right prove to be nothing more than the machinations of the very corrupt and the very powerful, and all that was once good and right is gutted from this country, and nothing is left to stop powers like Russia and China from exerting their will over much of the world...remember, that I told you so. And remember how wrong you were. Me and mine have no worries, we have been sitting, and we have been watching, and we will have left the country long before that terrible day comes. So good luck with that abomination you are creating. May you get all that you deserve.

#97 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-01-11 06:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#77 - you missed the point of my question.

#98 | Posted by jakester at 2022-01-11 07:00 PM | Reply

Example
FTA: The new law does significantly reduce the number of drop boxes from the 2020 level.
IOW, you are a liar.

#96 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Go back and reread my post.

I said relative to 2018 and 2016.

#99 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 07:00 PM | Reply

@94

www.washingtonpost.com
A close examination of the language in the law shows it does contain new restrictions on voting; some are likely to make it disproportionately more difficult for poorer voters and voters of color to cast their ballots.

IOW you are a liar

#100 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 07:02 PM | Reply

From your own link:

But Georgia Governor Brian Kemp says: "People act like we're taking something away - it never existed until the pandemic, it was done by emergency rule, not by legislative action."

In 2016 and 2018 Georgia didn't have any drop boxes. Zero.

If you are honest you will admit that you were wrong to accuse me of lying about the drop box issue.

#101 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 07:03 PM | Reply

Stupid enough to be killfiled.

Just say'n. You can lead a Trumper to reality, but you can' make him think.

And you don't have to keep reading his same tired stupid ---- over and over again, either.

#102 | Posted by Corky at 2022-01-11 07:03 PM | Reply

#97 You spent an awful lot of time and keystrokes saying absolutely nothing. Nice work.

#103 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 07:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Go back and reread my post.
I said relative to 2018 and 2016.

#99 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

The only proof you have provided is your own claim so, link or stfu liar.

#104 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 07:06 PM | Reply

#104 I quoted your own link.

Your BBC link admits that prior to 2020 Georgia didn't have any drop boxes. I said access in Georgia (on that and other provisions) expanded with the new law relative to where things stood in 2016 and 2018.

I was correct. So, be a man and retract your allegation that I was lying about the drop boxes.

#105 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 07:09 PM | Reply

#97 You spent an awful lot of time and keystrokes saying absolutely nothing. Nice work.

#103 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

That's funny I found it somewhat profound.

But, hey Truth Hurts

#106 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 07:09 PM | Reply

#100 Your WaPo article doesn't say it but they are using 2020 as their baseline. Again, just take the L.

#107 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 07:09 PM | Reply

#104 I quoted your own link.
Your BBC link admits that prior to 2020 Georgia didn't have any drop boxes. I said access in Georgia (on that and other provisions) expanded with the new law relative to where things stood in 2016 and 2018.
I was correct. So, be a man and retract your allegation that I was lying about the drop boxes.

#105 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

you posted a quote from a Republican governor claiming access increased, color me not impressed

You lay your claim that access has increased because there is now 1 drop box per county, yet ignore all of the other parts of the legislation that reduce access.

perfect example of republican nitpickery.

Not surprising coming from a liar like you

#108 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 07:12 PM | Reply

Just one example

Adding new identification requirements

will make it far easier for election officials to throw out valid ballots

#109 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 07:17 PM | Reply

"Nobody needs food and water while waiting in line."

Really depends on how long the line is.
But -- nobody needs to vote either, so what difference does it make?

Just go ahead and tell us if states that do allow food and drink in line are subverting democracy, okay?

#110 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 07:18 PM | Reply

www.ajc.com

Over 272,000 registered voters don't have a driver's license or state ID on file with election officials, meaning they'd have to submit additional documents to vote by mail under Georgia's new voting law, state election records show.

The ID requirements disproportionately affect Black voters, who are much less likely than white voters to have ID numbers matched to their voter registrations, according to election data.

IOW, gunga dimwit is a liar

#111 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 07:18 PM | Reply

#92 The voting rights act didn't take over states running their elections.
#95 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Then new Voting Rights Act legislation also won't take over states running their elections.
Biden isn't proposing a Constitutional Amendment.

#112 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 07:20 PM | Reply

The voting rights act didn't take over states running their elections.

#95 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Neither do either of the two up for consideration now.

Providing oversight of state processes to ensure consistency and prevent disciminatory practices isn't taking over state's election processes.

#113 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-11 07:23 PM | Reply

U.S. Appeals Court Strikes Down North Carolina's Voter ID Law (2016)
www.npr.org

...The appeals court noted that the North Carolina Legislature "requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices" -- then, data in hand, "enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans."

The changes to the voting process "target African Americans with almost surgical precision," the circuit court wrote, and "impose cures for problems that did not exist."

The appeals court suggested that the motivation was fundamentally political -- a Republican legislature attempting to secure its power by blocking votes from a population likely to vote for Democrats....

[emphasis mine]

Georgia's GOP House Speaker says vote-by-mail system would be 'devastating to Republicans' (April 2020)
thehill.com

..."... a multitude of reasons why vote by mail in my view is not acceptable," [Georgia state House Speaker David] Ralston went on, before adding "the president said it best, this will be extremely devastating to Republicans and conservatives in Georgia." ...

"The things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you ever agreed to, you would never have a Republican elected in this country again," [fmr Pres] Trump said...


#114 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-11 07:25 PM | Reply

Since voting by mail is legal in all 50 states
#75 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

That's not really the issue.
Voting by mail is not available to just anyone who asks for it.
Especially in Republican states.
For example,

Texas absentee ballot rules
You may vote by absentee ballot in Texas if:
you are 65 years or older;
you are disabled;
you will be out of the county on Election Day and during the period for early voting by personal appearance; or
you are confined in jail, but otherwise eligible, or certified for participation in the address confidentiality program.
www.vote.org

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 07:25 PM | Reply

"In 2016 and 2018 Georgia didn't have any drop boxes. Zero."

I see.
Was that an attack on democracy?

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 07:27 PM | Reply

Think about this: Let's say 2022 is a landslide win for the GOP and come 2024 they have the WH, House and Senate. Y'all will be damn happy the filibuster is still in place and will be apoplectic if it's not in place and the GOP has a POTUS who knows how to unite his/her own party.
#5 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

So you're saying the Filibuster is the one thing that keeps the public from personally experiencing just how bad Republican policies are.
And your solution to keep terrible Republican policies at bay is not to encourage the Republicans to change.
Instead, you to put the onus of keeping the awful Republicans in check on the Democrats.
And, to help achieve that goal, you vote third party.

#117 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 07:33 PM | Reply

Florida's self-proclaimed flawless elections aren't good enough for Republicans. New laws include all kinds of suppressive tactics to quell the vote of the "undesirables" (those that are less likely to vote Republican):

  • No more ballot collection and drop off from assisted living facilities and nursing homes. Gone.
  • Ballot drop boxes must be manned by an employee ($25,000 penalty).
  • Drop boxes are only available during the same hours as early voting hours. Using drop boxes after hours is prohibited.
  • Mail in ballot requests only good for one election.
  • Now you have to swear "I affirm that I am not a convicted felon or, if I am, my right to vote has been restored." The reason for that is Florida restored the rights of felons to vote if they served their time, but the Republicans made it so has to be affirmed by the Courts, or the state will come after you and throw you in jail (See Crystal Mason in TX for an example). This is meant to intimidate and scare away votes.
  • Tightens up the time to register to vote.
  • Limits actions regarding lawsuits challenging elections.

(there's more)

apnews.com

#118 | Posted by YAV at 2022-01-11 07:42 PM | Reply

"What you're trying to do we've seen in every fascist and authoritarian regime in my lifetime and well before."

You know how you can tell a left-wing Trumper? They refer to anyone they disagree with as a fascist.

Funny thing about fascists. They typically try and consolidate power by any means necessary. Like enabling a minority of senators to pass legislation that usurps states rights as provided under the 10th amendment.

This happened in Germany last year, when in light of the COVID outbreak the federal government absorbed the powers to regulate infectious disease outbreaks. It was controversial, well, because of fascism. And the allied powers, at the end of world war II, specifically drafted the new German constitution to prevent a strong federal government from taking absolute power.

You may like the outcome in this case, but it's almost a certainty that the Republicans are going to take back the Senate and the House in 2022. And then I don't think you'll be so appreciative.

#120 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 07:45 PM | Reply

@#115 ... Voting by mail is not available to just anyone who asks for it.
Especially in Republican states. ...

Voting by mail is a big issue with Republicans (see the second half of my #114).

Except for Utah.

Heavily Republican Utah likes voting by mail, but national GOP declares war on it
www.sltrib.com

...Heavily Republican Utah is one of just five states that for years have voted primarily by mail (the others lean Democratic), and leaders here say it increases turnout by making voting easier. ...

"Increases voter turnout."

Isn't that what politicians should want?


#121 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-11 07:45 PM | Reply

It's not one of those sissy passive aggressive FF's.
Just wanted to make that clear.
#70 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

Thanks.
You don't strike me as the ankle-biter type.

#123 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 07:47 PM | Reply

"Funny thing about fascists. They typically try and consolidate power by any means necessary."

For example, the Party no longer has a Platform. Instead, they have a Loyalty Oath to their Supreme Leader.

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 07:47 PM | Reply

"Adding new identification requirements will make it far easier for election officials to throw out valid ballots"

How so?

#125 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 07:47 PM | Reply

@#120 ... Funny thing about fascists. They typically try and consolidate power by any means necessary. Like enabling a minority of senators to pass legislation that usurps states rights as provided under the 10th amendment. ...

What word would you attribute to those who want to make it more difficult to vote, but only more difficult for those voters who tend not vote for Republicans?


#127 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-11 07:49 PM | Reply

"Like enabling a minority of senators to pass legislation that usurps states rights as provided under the 10th amendment."

The Constitution already decrees that a minority of population is granted majority representation in the Senate.

That being said, if the law you're vaguely talking about is Unconstitutional, it surely can't withstand review in a 6-3 Republican appointed Supreme Court.

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 07:49 PM | Reply

"Adding new identification requirements will make it far easier for election officials to throw out valid ballots"
How so?
#125 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Your Papers Are Not In Order.
That's how.

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 07:50 PM | Reply

Wow... that was the first Biden speech I've seen since after he was elected. He did quite well, actually.

www.youtube.com

#130 | Posted by Corky at 2022-01-11 07:51 PM | Reply

@#126 ... want to consolidate power, censor / jail their opposition, ...

Wow, I thought you were talking about Republicans.

I mean, the part I quoted is nearly what fmr Pres Trump has been espousing.

So I gotta ask, project much?

#131 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-11 07:53 PM | Reply

He's given several that were really quite good.

#132 | Posted by YAV at 2022-01-11 07:53 PM | Reply

#121

As a military member, I always vote by mail.

Here's the process. I fill out an online form. Each state has a different form. Mine requires that I enter my social security number and state drivers license number. Once complete, it spits out a PDF that I send off to the county. They then send me a mail-in ballot, two envelopes, and an attestation form. I fill out the ballot and place it in an envelope, which is then placed inside another envelope. I then send it back to the county.

It seems pretty secure to me.

#133 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 07:54 PM | Reply

"It seems pretty secure to me."

Now imagine the Postmaster General has decided "for budgetary reasons" that APO/FPO mail needs to delayed and your vote doesn't make it to your home state in time.

It is pretty secure, provided there is no malfeasance on the part of government leaders or any rogue subordinates!

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 07:57 PM | Reply

"As a military member, I always vote by mail."

With a weeks long window to do so vs waiting by the door on Nov x at a specified pickup hour, there is no question which is more convenient and easier. And it's guaranteed by US law whereas the ride to the polls isn't.

#135 | Posted by jakester at 2022-01-11 07:57 PM | Reply

"What word would you attribute to those who want to make it more difficult to vote, but only more difficult for those voters who tend not vote for Republicans?"

I don't buy that one bit.

First, it's horribly racist to make a statement such as that these laws will hurt minority voters...but apparently not white voters. It's insulting.

Second, I don't buy that it makes it harder. California's voting requirements are stricter than Georgia's. Do you think CA has been trying to restrict the ability to vote for all this time?

#136 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 07:58 PM | Reply

"And it's guaranteed by US law whereas the ride to the polls isn't."

So...my point was that, if it works for the military, why not extend it to those outside the military?

#137 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 07:59 PM | Reply

"Your Papers Are Not In Order."

Yeah.

That's kinda how it should be.

#138 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 07:59 PM | Reply

"Your Papers Are Not In Order."
Yeah.
That's kinda how it should be.

So now that you understand how it restricts voting, you say you favor restrictions on voting.

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:00 PM | Reply

"The Constitution already decrees that a minority of population is granted majority representation in the Senate."

Yep.

By design.

Because the states all have equal representation.

Again, by design.

#140 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:00 PM | Reply

By the way,
Which papers do you need to show when you vote in the military?

#141 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:00 PM | Reply

"So now that you understand how it restricts voting, you say you favor restrictions on voting."

Yes.

I don't think my dead father should be able to vote. Nor should my teenage daughters.

None of whose papers are "in order."

#142 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:01 PM | Reply

"Again, by design."

Of course it's by design.
In case you weren't aware, no one is saying that Republican voting restrictions are NOT by design.

#143 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:01 PM | Reply

"Which papers do you need to show when you vote in the military?"

My SS and my driver's license.

#144 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:01 PM | Reply

"Of course it's by design."

Do you think my teenage daughter should be able to vote, even though their papers aren't in order?

#145 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:02 PM | Reply

"I don't think my dead father should be able to vote."

Is this supposed to be something that sets you apart from everyone else in the discussion?

#146 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:02 PM | Reply

"Do you think my teenage daughter should be able to vote, even though their papers aren't in order?"

Do you think your teenage daughter could successfully register to vote, with the papers she has?

#147 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:03 PM | Reply

"Which papers do you need to show when you vote in the military?"
My SS and my driver's license.
#144 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

To whom do you show these, and how?

#148 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:03 PM | Reply

You really can't do much that important if your papers aren't in order.

Cant cash a check. Can't (legally} get a job. Can't buy a house or a car. Can't open a bank account...

#149 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:03 PM | Reply

"To whom do you show these, and how?"

I provide the numbers in the online form.

#150 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:04 PM | Reply

There's a Louisiana election official in Germany?

#151 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:04 PM | Reply

Providing numbers in the online form

is not the same

As showing your papers.

#152 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:05 PM | Reply

"Do you think your teenage daughter could successfully register to vote, with the papers she has?"

No.

But if you can register to vote, what's to stop you from voting?

Is there some additional step I'm not aware of?

#153 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:05 PM | Reply

You really can't do much that important if your papers aren't in order.
Cant cash a check. Can't (legally} get a job. Can't buy a house or a car. Can't open a bank account...
#149 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Relevance? Are any of those things Constitutional rights?

#154 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:06 PM | Reply

"But if you can register to vote, what's to stop you from voting?"

You really don't know the answer to this question, do you?

I see no point in explaining it to you another time, if you haven't learned yet.
Do you see a point in me explaining it to you another time?

#155 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:06 PM | Reply

"Providing numbers in the online form is not the same As showing your papers."

I suppose I could send off a copy of my DL and SS card...but what exactly does that do? The voting office can look up both. And it would be impossible for me to present them to a voting official.

#156 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:07 PM | Reply

"But if you can register to vote, what's to stop you from voting?"

Papers.
Are you drunk?

#157 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:07 PM | Reply

"I suppose I could send off a copy of my DL and SS card...but what exactly does that do?"

Remember this question:
"But if you can register to vote, what's to stop you from voting?"

See if you can connect the dots.

#158 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:08 PM | Reply

@#133 ... As a military member, I always vote by mail. ...

It seems pretty secure to me. ...

I agree. Voting by mail is quite secure.

My concern is not about the security of voting by mail, it is about the reasons why Republicans (except, apparently, Utah) do not want voting by mail to be useful.

Going back to my #114 comment... "Georgia's GOP House Speaker says vote-by-mail system would be 'devastating to Republicans' "

So it seems that Republicans want to kill off, or drastically reduce, voting by mail because it makes it easier for the wrong type of voters to vote.

That is the huge issue I have with Republicans nowadays when it comes to voting. Targeted voting impediments.


#159 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-11 08:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Which papers do you need to show when you vote in the military?"
My SS and my driver's license.

#144 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

In GA, over 280,000 don't have DL and they are predominantly POC.

But the requirement isn't racist.

SUUUUUUURRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEee

#160 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 08:09 PM | Reply

Relevance? Are any of those things Constitutional rights?

I don't follow.

Whose constitutional rights are being violated?

#161 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:09 PM | Reply

"Whose constitutional rights are being violated?"

Eligible registered voters who can't vote because their papers are not in order.

#162 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:11 PM | Reply

#111. Truthhurts

The Georgia law provides all sorts of other options for those who don't have voter ID. One of those options is a copy of a utility bill. Also, when it's been studied voter ID laws have not been shown to be an actual hindrance to voting. Further 81% of people in this country favor voter ID including a majority of black people.

Seriously, just take the L.

#163 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 08:11 PM | Reply

"In GA, over 280,000 don't have DL and they are predominantly POC."

Which is why the state issues a free voter ID card.

#164 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:11 PM | Reply

"Eligible registered voters who can't vote because their papers are not in order."

That's good.

Otherwise, how do you know it's not my 16 year old daughter voting?

#165 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:12 PM | Reply

And she has no constitutional right to vote.

#166 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:12 PM | Reply

The Georgia law provides all sorts of other options for those who don't have voter ID. One of those options is a copy of a utility bill. Also, when it's been studied voter ID laws have not been shown to be an actual hindrance to voting. Further 81% of people in this country favor voter ID including a majority of black people.
Seriously, just take the L.

#163 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

over 10,000 are homeless in GA. Not having a home generally prevents one from having a utility bill.

but keep digging that hole

#167 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 08:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#149 ... You really can't do much that important if your papers aren't in order. ...

"papers in order" - that's the issue.

I am quite in favor of voter ID. Connecticut has had it for years. I think voter ID is a good thing. What I dislike is that voter ID seems to be used by Republicans for the tactical purpose of reducing voting, not to secure it.

Connecticut makes it easy for, e.g., non-drivers to obtain the require state-issued photo ID.

Some states (mostly in the South?) make it quite difficult to get that state-issued ID if you do not have a drivers license. The number of physical places where you can go to apply and obtain the non-driving state-issued ID are reduced tactically. For example, the few (or only) remaining places are not usually accessible via public transportation.

If you don't have a drivers license, how can you get to a state office that is not accessible via public transportation?

#168 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-11 08:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And she has no constitutional right to vote."

Then she's not an eligible registered voter, now is she?

#169 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:16 PM | Reply

Get the required documents dds.georgia.gov
You must present documentation showing your identity, residential address, and US citizenship or proof of lawful status in the United States. Your full Social Security Number must be provided on the required online License/ID/Permit Form. Please refer to Real ID Requirements for more information.

How does a homeless person get the Georgia ID card under these rules?

#170 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:17 PM | Reply

"over 10,000 are homeless in GA. Not having a home generally prevents one from having a utility bill."

And you're saying that they should just be able to walk up and cast a ballot?

#171 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:20 PM | Reply

Furthermore, the link in #170 goes to the Georgia State ID website, and completing that form requires an email address and a trip to a state licensing office.

Now, for whom might these requirements be a prohibitive hurdle to clear?

If you said "nobody" you're a Conservative.
If you said "nobody who should be allowed to vote in the first place" you're an honest Conservative!

#172 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:20 PM | Reply

"And you're saying that they should just be able to walk up and cast a ballot?"

No, just that they should be able to vote, as mandated by the Constitution.

You know what would render this issue almost entirely moot?
A Federal ID card.

You know what Conservatives will never, ever support, because it would be an end-around on their election shenanigans?
A Federal ID card.

#173 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:22 PM | Reply

"One of those options is a copy of a utility bill."

That would work for the person whose name is on the bill but not for anyone else living in the residence.

#174 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-01-11 08:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If you said "nobody who should be allowed to vote in the first place" you're an honest Conservative!

#172 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I think that is what madbummer is implying in 171

#175 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 08:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A whole bunch of solutions to problems that only exist in republican fever dreams

#176 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 08:23 PM | Reply

Do think it unfair that a person needs to be able to show a driver's license in order to legally drive?

#177 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:24 PM | Reply

"I am quite in favor of voter ID. Connecticut has had it for years. I think voter ID is a good thing. What I dislike is that voter ID seems to be used by Republicans for the tactical purpose of reducing voting, not to secure it."

I don't understand. It seems like you're saying you're in favor of it, but not in favor of it.

"Some states (mostly in the South?) make it quite difficult to get that state-issued ID if you do not have a drivers license."

That makes no sense. If you have a driver's license, why would you need an additional form of state-issued ID?

#178 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:26 PM | Reply

It seems to me the easiest solution is to tie voting to the SSN. Everyone has one and can easily be checked for multiple votes and for living or dead and for ineligible (i.e non-citizens) and those who are in prison and those who have committed felonies forfeiting their right to vote and etc.

But why would republicans want a simple solution?

#179 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 08:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And you clowns claimed Trump was breaking norms. Nothing he did even came remotely close to this.

#1 | Posted by BellRinger

Fillibuster rules have been changed MANY times.

How many times have fascists attempted a coup?

#180 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-01-11 08:26 PM | Reply

Do think it unfair that a person needs to be able to show a driver's license in order to legally drive?

#177 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Driving is a privilege not a right. If you want to open that door we can start requiring insurance and training for gun ownership

#181 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 08:27 PM | Reply

What if I don't have one of the six acceptable forms of photo ID?
The State of Georgia offers a free ID Card. The ID Card can be issued at any county registrar's office free of charge.

To receive a voter identification card at the county registrar's office, the voter must provide:

A photo identity document or approved non-photo identity document that includes full legal name and date of birth.
Documentation showing the voter's date of birth.
Evidence that the applicant is a registered voter.
Documentation showing the applicant's name and residential address.

#182 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:27 PM | Reply

Do think it unfair that a person needs to be able to show a driver's license in order to legally drive?

#177 | Posted by madbomber

Actually yes. The cop should be able to just look up on his computer that the person has a valid license. Just like poll workers can look you up that you're a resident on the voter rolls.

#183 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-01-11 08:28 PM | Reply

#108. One policy point out of many in the law. It expanded access in many other ways as well. Also, what the governor said was accurate. Prior to 2020 they didn't have any drop boxes.

At this point all you are doing is hurling feces at the wall hoping something sticks.

#184 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-11 08:28 PM | Reply

#172

So you DO think that anyone should just be able to walk up and cast a ballot...

...and you wonder why some people are concerned about voter fraud. Because there is a class of USans who are advocating for a situation where it would be impossible to stop it.

#185 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:29 PM | Reply

"No, just that they should be able to vote, as mandated by the Constitution."

So all US citizens over age 18?

And how do you verify that the voter is a US citizen over age 18?

#186 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:30 PM | Reply

#182 - you don't understand much about Georgia if you think any of that is fair.

#187 | Posted by YAV at 2022-01-11 08:30 PM | Reply

To receive a voter identification card at the county registrar's office, the voter must provide:

A photo identity document or approved non-photo identity document that includes full legal name and date of birth.
Documentation showing the voter's date of birth.
Evidence that the applicant is a registered voter.
Documentation showing the applicant's name and residential address.

#182 | Posted by madbomber

To receive a voter identification card at the county registrar's office, the voter must provide:

[a bunch of stuff that republican strategists know poor people are less likely to be able to easily access]

Why do we need voter ID and voting reforms MB? Why are you legislating against a problem that doesn't exist? How come there aren't any anti sasquatch bills in these red states? He's as big of a problem as voter fraud.

#188 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-01-11 08:31 PM | Reply

And how do you verify that the voter is a US citizen over age 18?

#186 | Posted by madbomber

Your social security number einstein. Which is in the voter rolls.

#189 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-01-11 08:32 PM | Reply

"It seems to me the easiest solution is to tie voting to the SSN."

I would agree. Or at least at the moment can't think of a reason why I would want to disagree.

#190 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:32 PM | Reply

Supposedly the last election was the most secure election ever, but now that Democrats are facing a tough year, suddenly there's an emergency and fed needs to get involved.

#119 | POSTED BY RUFFALO_ROB

It was.

Which is why Repubs have changed state laws in multiple states to ensure they can interfere with results they don't want.

But you knew that.

#191 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-11 08:32 PM | Reply

[a bunch of stuff that republican strategists know poor people are less likely to be able to easily access]

-Because they're stupid?

#192 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:32 PM | Reply

And you're saying that they should just be able to walk up and cast a ballot?

#171 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2022-01-11 08:20 PM | FLAG:

Your address tells the folks at the voting place which ballot to give you. You have school board, city council, state and us house races, etc

How do they let someone with no address vote if they don't which ballot to give you?

#193 | Posted by eberly at 2022-01-11 08:33 PM | Reply

[a bunch of stuff that republican strategists know poor people are less likely to be able to easily access]
-Because they're stupid?

#192 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Because they are too busy trying to survive.

#194 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 08:33 PM | Reply

"Now imagine the Postmaster General has decided "for budgetary reasons" that APO/FPO mail needs to delayed and your vote doesn't make it to your home state in time."

The 2000 election proved it was postmarks, not arrival that matter.

#195 | Posted by jakester at 2022-01-11 08:35 PM | Reply

"Because they are too busy trying to survive."

If voting is not a priority for them, they don't need to vote.

I didn't vote for 16 years. It was too much of a pain in the ass. But there was nothing stopping me from voting.

#196 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:35 PM | Reply

I would agree. Or at least at the moment can't think of a reason why I would want to disagree.

#190 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Here, I'll help you out, look at the arguments against vaccination. FREEDUMB!

#197 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 08:37 PM | Reply

I voted from a ship a couple of times when I was in the Navy. All postage is post marked the day it is inserted in the slot at the ship's post office even though the mail may not leave the ship for days or even weeks.

Truth of the matter is, very few military votes count anyway. They are considered "conditional votes" and are not counted unless the vote is so close they would make a difference. Votes are seldom that close, so they get counted later only for historical purposes. 2000 was one of those years votes were that close so they had to be tabulated

#198 | Posted by jakester at 2022-01-11 08:38 PM | Reply

How do they let someone with no address vote if they don't which ballot to give you?

#193 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Your address can be a park bench.

#199 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-11 08:40 PM | Reply

The State of Georgia offers a free ID Card. The ID Card can be issued at any county registrar's office free of charge.
The State of Georgia closed all the registrar offices throughout all the predominantly black counties in Georgia. Drivers licesnes, however, are available at all the DMVs in GA. Why? To make it damn hard to get that "free" id. Oh, also seven counties in Georgia now have only one polling place.

To receive a voter identification card at the county registrar's office, the voter must provide:
A photo identity document or approved non-photo identity document that includes full legal name and date of birth.

The problem in the South has been midwife delivery, lack of properly filled out information on the original birth documents, the complete lack of original birth documents, name changes that weren't recorded properly and more. It can cost 10's to 100's of dollars to get this sorted out so you can get that "free" id.
Documentation showing the voter's date of birth.

Covered above.
Evidence that the applicant is a registered voter.

Oh. Seriously? How do you get that if you...
Ohh... I see! Clever Republicans.
Documentation showing the applicant's name and residential address.

What documentation? What if I share an apartment or live in my car?

#200 | Posted by YAV at 2022-01-11 08:40 PM | Reply

@#171 ... And you're saying that they should just be able to walk up and cast a ballot? ...

If they are eligible to vote, yes.

Absolutely.


#201 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-11 08:41 PM | Reply

How do they let someone with no address vote if they don't which ballot to give you?

The reason addresses have been used is to keep count of who at that address votes - it's a check off and a way of preventing fraud. That's why there are precincts. It's incredibly effective. There's never been any need for photo-id. You go, your name is on the registration list. Your address is there. You sign. Your signature is checked, you get a ballot, you vote.
No one using your name can vote using your address again. Or if you come in and you go to vote and you're told "you already voted" you know someone's pretended to be you. The entire notion of in person voter fraud being an issue is --------. So are all these Republican efforts to "fix" the "problem."

The real problem is how many people are convinced that there's any issue in the first place and are so willing to let things get worse and worse for voting.

Also since when does having a place to live or not dictate whether you are allowed to vote? Where in the Constitution is that?

#202 | Posted by YAV at 2022-01-11 08:45 PM | Reply

"If they are eligible to vote, yes. Absolutely."

eligible based on what? Their word?

I don't think anyone is arguing that US citizens over age 18 shouldn't be allowed to vote. So how do you determine who those people are?

#203 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-11 08:46 PM | Reply

The 2000 election proved it was postmarks, not arrival that matter.
#195 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

The 2000 election also proved results have to be certified before Jan 6.
So, arrival does indeed matter.

#204 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:47 PM | Reply

"I don't think anyone is arguing that US citizens over age 18 shouldn't be allowed to vote."

Except that you said they shouldn't be allowed to vote, if their papers are not in order.

#206 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:48 PM | Reply

"Your signature is checked."

It is?
By whom?
Against what?

#208 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 08:50 PM | Reply

This is how it's done here in FL when you vote in person:

You will need to bring a current and valid photo identification with a signature.
If the photo identification does not have a signature, you must provide additional identification with your signature.
A voter information card, formerly a voter id card, is not an acceptable form of ID.
When you receive and sign for your ballot your signature is checked against your ID from above.

#210 | Posted by YAV at 2022-01-11 08:56 PM | Reply

This land is your land
This land is my land...

m.youtube.com

#211 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-01-11 08:58 PM | Reply

@#205 ... Yes, you do. ...

Possibly.

But I also note that your comment avoids negating my #131 comment "the part I quoted is nearly what fmr Pres Trump has been espousing."

So I can only surmise that you agree with that portion.


#212 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-11 08:59 PM | Reply

Your address can be a park bench.
#199 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

That hits home, huh?

#213 | Posted by eberly at 2022-01-11 09:09 PM | Reply

I'm not really too sure about anything when it comes to the issue of Red States trying to make it more difficult for certain groups of people to easily cast votes. But I am absolutely certain that the GOP politicians in those State have bad intentions in terms of allowing people they assume vote mostly for Democrats easy access to casting votes.

#214 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-01-11 09:13 PM | Reply

#214,

That's because you are easily fooled by the Democrat party.

No one is trying to make it hard for people to vote. More like the Democrat party is trying to make it so almost anyone, whether citizen or not, to vote in election that affect Americans.

From a purely Republic standpoint, I can see their point. When the founders were around, immigrants were coming into the nation. They needed to be able to vote in their locality, i.e their state. Not everyone living in a state was a citizen, but they were still living in the state and they needed to vote on local things. They may not have had I.D. back then, but they still needed to register to vote so the county or whatever knew they lived there.

Federal elections is different and you need to be a citizen to vote in them. So you need to be able to identify yourself. If someone puts in a little effort, there should be no problem with getting an I.D. If they have trouble, they need to work through it instead of throwing their hands up and saying "Oh well, I cant do it" and then blaming Republicans. In the off times of the year, that's when they need to be getting I.D., finding out where their polling place is, arranging transportation, etc., You know? Planning.

There is no reason for someone to not be able to vote in today's society. The democrat argument is just -------- to me.

Here in N.C., the bums on the corner's begging for money have to have a picture I.D. issued by the city to beg. If they can get one, anyone else can too..

#215 | Posted by boaz at 2022-01-11 10:13 PM | Reply

@#215 ... No one is trying to make it hard for people to vote. ...

U.S. Appeals Court Strikes Down North Carolina's Voter ID Law (2016)
www.npr.org

...The appeals court noted that the North Carolina Legislature "requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices" -- then, data in hand, "enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans."

The changes to the voting process "target African Americans with almost surgical precision," the circuit court wrote, and "impose cures for problems that did not exist."

The appeals court suggested that the motivation was fundamentally political -- a Republican legislature attempting to secure its power by blocking votes from a population likely to vote for Democrats....

[emphasis mine]

#216 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-11 10:19 PM | Reply

You need to get your news from somewhere other than liberal NPR, Lamp..2016 is old news..

ballotpedia.org

In 2018, voters approved a constitutional amendment requiring voters to present identification while voting and compelling the North Carolina State Legislature to develop those requirements. In Dec. 2018, the legislature approved Senate Bill 824 (SB 824) establishing those requirements. Gov. Roy Cooper (D) vetoed the bill. The legislature overrode Cooper's veto on Dec. 19, 2018. Both the constitutional amendment and SB 824 became the subject of lawsuits"in federal courts and in state courts"which remain ongoing.

#217 | Posted by boaz at 2022-01-11 10:24 PM | Reply

@#215 ... There is no reason for someone to not be able to vote in today's society. The democrat argument is just -------- to me. ...

The argument is not whether or not someone is able to vote.

The argument is the difficulty to vote presented to certain people who tend to vote for Democrats.

Unless and until you acknowledge the actual problem that needs to be solved, you will not provide an appropriate solution.

#218 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-11 10:29 PM | Reply

"That's because you are easily fooled by the Democrat party."

Democrats come in all shapes and sizes!

talkingpointsmemo.com
Pennsylvania House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R) said that the voter ID law passed by the legislature would help deliver the state for Mitt Romney in November.

"Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine, it's done. First pro-life legislation -- abortion facility regulations -- in 22 years, done. Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done," Turzai said at this weekend's Republican State Committee meeting , according to PoliticsPA.com.

#219 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 10:31 PM | Reply

"There is no reason for someone to not be able to vote in today's society."

Then why do Republicans keep finding reasons?

#220 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 10:31 PM | Reply

Here in N.C., the bums on the corner's begging for money have to have a picture I.D. issued by the city to beg. If they can get one, anyone else can too..
#215 | POSTED BY BOAZ

What was the purpose of that law?
Was it to make the bums go away?

#221 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-11 10:32 PM | Reply

@#217 ... You need to get your news from somewhere other than liberal NPR, Lamp..2016 is old news.. ...

But the article you cite seems to confirm that "old news."


You need to try harder.


#222 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-11 10:33 PM | Reply

So you DO think that anyone should just be able to walk up and cast a ballot...

...and you wonder why some people are concerned about voter fraud. Because there is a class of USans who are advocating for a situation where it would be impossible to stop it.

#185 | Posted by madbomber

Have you never voted before?

You can't just walk in and vote. They confirm you are eligible. You have to give your name and address and SSN. Which are on the voter rolls.

It's a system that has worked without scandal for years, that you cult hates because it makes it too easy for too many people to vote. And when more people vote, you lose, because your policies are bad for most people. And you know it, so your best chance is to try and stop people from voting, and imaginary vote fraud is your excuse.

#223 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-01-11 11:21 PM | Reply

[a bunch of stuff that republican strategists know poor people are less likely to be able to easily access]

-Because they're stupid?

#192 | Posted by madbomber

Because they're poor. And republican strategists are smart.

You're the one that's stupid.

#224 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-01-11 11:22 PM | Reply

No one is trying to make it hard for people to vote.

#215 | Posted by boaz

So you think all these voting restrictions being created RIGHT AFTER the voting rights act was repealed is just the world's biggest coincidence?

You think the federal judges saying the restrictions are racist are just kidding?

#225 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-01-11 11:24 PM | Reply

@#215 ... There is no reason for someone to not be able to vote in today's society. The democrat argument is just -------- to me. ...

It's not -------- to republican strategists who were paid millions and millions of dollars to research the subject and concluded voter restrictions will help them win.

Your cult leader himself said "If everybody can vote, republicans will never win again."

You can't win in a democracy, so fascism is a better plan.

#226 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-01-11 11:27 PM | Reply

"Because they're poor."

I voted when I was poor and I don't recall it taking a significant amount of effort.

#227 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-12 05:49 AM | Reply

"It's not -------- to republican strategists who were paid millions and millions of dollars to research the subject and concluded voter restrictions will help them win."

Ohhh. I think I see. You're laying the ground work for future elections, where you can claim that Republican victories are nothing more than the result of a rigged vote.

Stop the Steal!!!

#228 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-12 05:52 AM | Reply

where you can claim that Republican victories are nothing more than the result of a rigged vote.

#228 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Many Republican victories will be rigged. Republicans don't care as long as they get the victory. Much like we see that they never cared why or how people became Electors, as long as those Electors supported Trump.

#229 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-12 08:25 AM | Reply

Ohhh. I think I see. You're laying the ground work for future elections, where you can claim that Republican victories are nothing more than the result of a rigged vote.
Stop the Steal!!!
#228 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I mean...
It worked for Trump and the Republicans!
Republicans still can't acknowledge Trump's defeat.
And they never will.

#230 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-12 08:52 AM | Reply

Republicans still can't acknowledge Trump's defeat.

Republicans have, Trumpers, not so much. You need to make the distinction.

#231 | Posted by boaz at 2022-01-12 09:10 AM | Reply

I understand what you're saying, Boaz.

But as a practical matter, it's a distinction without a difference.

Especially since Republicans replaced their party platform with a loyalty oath to Trump.

To be a Republican is to be a Trumper. Your party leadership decided this.

#232 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-12 09:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#232,

No they didnt..LOL....

#233 | Posted by boaz at 2022-01-12 11:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yes they did, Boaz.

The Republicans made that decision at the 2020 Republican National Convention.

#234 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-12 11:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What wanting to be a victim looks like..

www.dailymail.co.uk

#235 | Posted by boaz at 2022-01-12 12:01 PM | Reply

#235,

Sorry, wrong thread.

#236 | Posted by boaz at 2022-01-12 12:01 PM | Reply

"It worked for Trump and the Republicans!"

I've said it many times. A lot of the "progressive" contributors to this site-the ones making the most noise about fascism and democracy-are the ones that are really just left-wing versions of the Trumper.

#237 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-12 01:35 PM | Reply

The problem with your fanciful claim is there's no left-wing equivalent of Trump for them to rally around.

#238 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-12 01:43 PM | Reply

Well, see Snoofers, in MythWorld, Hitler and the Nazis were all far left socialists, so you have to account for the revisionist history.

#239 | Posted by Corky at 2022-01-12 01:48 PM | Reply

"left-wing versions of the Trumper."

What exactly does this mean?

Give me an example of something that a Deplorable thinks or does, and then give me the left-wing version of that same thing.

#240 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-12 01:50 PM | Reply

Ohhh. I think I see. You're laying the ground work for future elections, where you can claim that Republican victories are nothing more than the result of a rigged vote.

Stop the Steal!!!

#228 | Posted by madbomber

In case you hadn't noticed by now, trump accuses his opponent of whatever his own crimes are.

Him screaming about democrats cheating proves one thing - he's cheating.

And yes, any vote republicans win by preventing people from voting or overturning their votes, is an invalid election. How come you can't win a fair election? Not enough people excited about fascism and tax cuts for billionaires?

#241 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-01-12 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Republicans still can't acknowledge Trump's defeat.

Republicans have, Trumpers, not so much. You need to make the distinction.

#231 | Posted by boaz

There is no distinction. Liz Cheney is the only republican doing the right thing. The rest of you totally surrendered to a fascist cult. And you in particular enjoy it that way.

#242 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-01-12 01:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I've said it many times. A lot of the "progressive" contributors to this site-the ones making the most noise about fascism and democracy-are the ones that are really just left-wing versions of the Trumper.

#237 | Posted by madbomber

I've said it many times. Until left wingers lie millions of morons into an attempted insurrection, your BOTH SIDES arguments are pathetic.

#243 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-01-12 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#232,
No they didnt..LOL....
#233 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2022-01-12 11:42 AM | FLAG:

I have posted this at least three times. Here it is, again:

WHEREAS, The RNC enthusiastically supports President Trump and continues to reject the policy positions of the Obama-Biden Administration, as well as those espoused by the Democratic National Committee today; therefore, be it

RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President's America-first agenda;

RESOVLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention;

All the platform was in 2020 is fealty to Trump, his agenda, whatever it is he determined it to be. Period. L'etat c'est Moi.

prod-cdn-static.gop.com

#244 | Posted by YAV at 2022-01-12 02:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

You are using facts, Yav. Facts don't go around here...

www.youtube.com

#245 | Posted by Corky at 2022-01-12 03:02 PM | Reply

L'etat c'est Moi.

Nice one.
I wonder how many Republicans get that reference.

Another one, that might be attributable to Biden, is
Apres moi le deluge.

#246 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-12 04:25 PM | Reply

"Many Republican victories will be rigged. Republicans don't care as long as they get the victory."

Replace "R" with "D," and that's pretty much the same narrative put forth by the Trumpers.

It's a good way to deflect when your policies (or politicians) don't resonate well with society.

#247 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-12 07:25 PM | Reply

"Replace "R" with "D," and that's pretty much the same narrative put forth by the Trumpers."

Except when the chance came to proffer evidence of fraud, Team Trump admitted again and again they had no real/sizable evidence of fraud. Then they turned around, and after losing every single court case involving fraudulent votes, screamed STOLEN ELECTION, despite the known facts.

#248 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-01-12 07:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Many Republican victories will be rigged. Republicans don't care as long as they get the victory."

Replace "R" with "D," and that's pretty much the same narrative put forth by the Trumpers.

It's a good way to deflect when your policies (or politicians) don't resonate well with society.

#247 | Posted by madbomber

Yeah except as always, the con man's party is the one lying.

Trump 101 - always accuse your opponent of your own crimes.

#249 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-01-12 08:24 PM | Reply

"Trump 101 - always accuse your opponent of your own crimes."

Learned at the knee of one Roy Cohn.

#250 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-01-12 08:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Replace "R" with "D," and that's pretty much the same narrative put forth by the Trumpers."

Umm no. How many times do rabid Trumpers have to be told? Both parties are NOT the same. One has devolved into a cult of personality that is threatening to divide Americans. The other is struggling to hold America together and actually govern in spite of the Know Nothings trying to use every tool in their arsenal to stop them and apparently circumvent the will of the People.

It's not even a close call. To pretend that they are and wanting to put the country through another four years of Republican trumpism (especially after seeing how they would "govern" under Trumpy) is just insane. The continued effort to undermine the 2020 elections years later shows how far removed from reality Trumpers are.

#251 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-01-13 12:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

President Biden and Vice President Harris Speak to the American People about the Urgent Need to Pass Legislation to Protect the Constitutional Right to Vote and the Integrity of Our Elections

TIming is quite something given the indictments for SEDITION that were released just 3 days later!

#252 | Posted by YAV at 2022-01-14 10:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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