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Wednesday, January 12, 2022

It sounded like a reassuring pronouncement: Russia's deputy foreign minister, Sergei A. Ryabkov, declaring after negotiations with the United States that "we have no intention to invade Ukraine."

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...But skepticism ran deep on Tuesday inside Ukraine, where politicians were quick to discount the pledge Mr. Ryabkov made on Monday after meeting with American negotiators on Eastern European security.

"When Russians say, No, no, no, we don't want to invade Ukraine' what they mean is, Yes, yes, yes, we do want to invade Ukraine,'" said Oksana Syroid, a former deputy speaker of Parliament.

Oleksandr Danylyuk, a former Ukrainian national security adviser, also discounted Mr. Ryabkov's promise. "It's not so important what they say now," Mr. Danylyuk said. "What I don't want to happen is, after some time, the Russians saying, we didn't intend to invade, but ... .'"

"They can always put a comma after it and say, but,'" he added. "The Kremlin is very good at this."...


Yup.

In my current opinion, Ukraine is screwed. They are about to become a new SSR.

And the West will do the sanctions thing to show thier disgust.

But in the end, Ukraine will be no more.

And Pres Putin will be one huge step closer to rebuilding the USSR he lusts for.


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-12 02:30 AM | Reply

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#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-12 02:33 AM | Reply

If that is true than why has Putin not annexed the Donbass and Luhansk? Both provinces voted to join Russia but Putin has said it's non binding. If they wanted to invade they would have annexed those two areas. That would have given them a staging area off their own soil. I think you're misinformed.

The West is pushing this with constant NATO expansion eastward. The Russian posture is defensive,not expansionist. In this case NATO is the bad guy not Russia. The US wants total hegemony everywhere.

We're sick bastards. Russia is only trying to protect themselves from us. Look at Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam. Cuba. We can't leave anyone alone ever. America is the criminal nation not Russia. Venezuela, Iran. The list is long and storied. America is not a force for peace or goodwill in the world.

#3 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-01-12 06:50 AM | Reply

@#3 ... If that is true than why has Putin not annexed the Donbass and Luhansk? ...

Give him time.

Tactics vs strategy.

... The West is pushing this with constant NATO expansion eastward....

If the countries joining NATO are doing so because that is what they want, then why is more countries joining NATO a problem?

Why does Pres Putin seem to think he has a say in what the countries want, and that he should be able to deny entry into NATO of any country that decides to join NATO?

Really, why does Pres Putin think he should be able to control other countries?


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-13 07:37 PM | Reply

@#3 ... America is the criminal nation not Russia ...

You really should try to be less obvious.

Jus' sayin'

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-13 07:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just block the russians.

As for Russian soldiers just remember anyone who invades Ukraine eventually dies of radiation poisoning.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2022-01-13 08:19 PM | Reply

"If that is true than why has Putin not annexed the Donbass and Luhansk?"

The idiots who shot down a civilian passenger jet over that territory made it problematic for him. If he had annexed those provinces, then he couldn't deny he owns that.

#7 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-01-14 06:12 PM | Reply

"Russia is only trying to protect themselves from us."

I doubt you'll give a straight answer to this, but why does that excuse Russia's actions and not America's with respect to the other things you listed? You can't have it both ways, but you're clearly applying a double standard here.

#8 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-01-14 06:28 PM | Reply

#4 You're joking right? The US tells most of the world what to do. Those few holdouts who don't toe the line get " Shock and Awe". Cuba was almost invaded because they Permitted the placement of Russian missiles.

Russia's problems with NATO, are not expansionist. They want a buffer and security gaurantees. They will fight to keep NATO off their doorstep. NATO bombed Serbia after expanding east the first time. NATO forced the Yugoslavs to accept partition of Kosovo.

Russia is not being aggressive, the US and NATO are pushing this. But they probably won't win if they keep pushing.

You guys just don't see the real picture here.

Our propaganda must be pretty good to be so bipartisanly effective.

Putin is no Angel he's authoritarian and not very patient with dissent.

He never invaded a country for personal spite.

Bush did. Bush has a million deaths on his soul.

Where's the outcry about that. Iraq held nothing of American national interest but oil.

We didn't even get that,just a staging area for further conquest in the ME.

A million deaths,total destabilization of Iraq and the genesis of ISIS.

Now what kind of Horrors can you Imagine if we start a hot war in Europe because we can't leave a foreign conflict we have no stake in alone?

#9 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-01-14 08:34 PM | Reply

When the Soviet Union fell, the Ukraine and other former republics gave up their nukes on the condition that Russia would respect their sovereignty.

Allowing Russia to violate Ukraine's sovereignty means that no nation will ever give up their nukes again. That's a problem for anyone who wants to see fewer nuclear-armed nations.

#10 | Posted by censored at 2022-01-14 09:51 PM | Reply

"Russia is not being aggressive, the US and NATO are pushing this."

"Our country is not being aggressive, it's always those other countries to blame for our country's behavior. Our country would never do what those other countries do. Can't you see we're the victims fighting for what's right? Now excuse us while we pretend to morph into a bear/dragon/eagle/hippopotamus, etc."

#11 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-01-14 10:19 PM | Reply

It's a parody, right? The whole world plays the same ----. True. But in this case the West is really the aggressor. The Russians aren't being any more hegemonistic than we routinely are.

We just don't like the pushback and don't want to give ground.

But we will if we fight. It's a loser idea.

#12 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-01-14 11:20 PM | Reply

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