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Anti-Vax Is a Significant Part of the Republican Coalition Now

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"He who permits himself to tell a lie once, finds it much easier to do it a second and third time, till at length it becomes habitual; he tells lies without attending to it, and truth without the world's believing him. This falsehood of the tongue leads to that of the heart, and in time depraves all its good dispositions."

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#1 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2022-01-12 06:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You see it here.

Idiots with high school level biology knowledge who had never heard the word "coronavirus" prior to Jan 2020 are suddenly experts on virology, immunology and vaccinology.

And they declare, dagnabbit', that because it doesn't completely prevent infection or transmission it's not really a vaccine! It's gene therapy! It's mass psychosis! It's all about control! Blah blah blah.

Meanwhile those of us who actually know what we're talking about haven't been surprised or confused by any of what's happened the past two years. In fact, much of it was expected and predictable, especially broadly.

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-12 07:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Just say the Wackos are in control
and be done with it. Trump let loose
the Whirlwind, and now it runs amuck...

#3 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-01-13 06:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The anarchists seem to be taking over the Republican Party.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-13 10:37 AM | Reply

They weren't diminishing anything. That's the entire problem with Liberal logic. They were pointing out the reality and facts that is isn't the national emergency that is going to kill everyone like the Dems think it does. Once again, Dems do everything they can to spin the topic to make it anything but the actual issue at hand because the truth of the matter is they can't win the real fight...neither side can...because it's all opinion. You either think covid is the destroyer of worlds and the government should control the population and take away basic freedoms, or you think spreading a virus that has a potential to kill, although very low risk, is worth protecting those freedoms.

That's all this entire issue is about. There is a way forward and it's pretty easy...functionally. Politically, it's nigh impossible since it requires compromise.

#5 | Posted by humtake at 2022-01-13 12:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"that is isn't the national emergency that is going to kill everyone"

Everyone?
Nah, just a million or two.

It's just like Joseph Stalin said:
"One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-13 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

- Joseph Goebbels

#7 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-01-13 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You either think covid is the destroyer of worlds and the government should control the population and take away basic freedoms, or you think spreading a virus that has a potential to kill, although very low risk, is worth protecting those freedoms.

That's your false dichotomy.

BTW it has nothing to do with freedom. Freedoms aren't being taken away.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-13 02:24 PM | Reply

You'll notice the "vax ID" is a Federal card, uniform across all 50 states, free, and issued as needed.

If we had an ID like that, then requiring ID to vote wouldn't be nearly so problematic.

Go ahead and tell us why you support Voter ID but you don't support a Federal Voter ID!

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-13 02:35 PM | Reply

Nope. It's specifically Republicans who oppose it and call it fascism.

Go read up on it, you'll see I'm right. Read past GOP party platforms, they explicitly call out their opposition.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-13 02:44 PM | Reply

You're also afraid of a list of gun owners. Why?

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-13 02:45 PM | Reply

But that wasn't a Federal ID. That was Federal ID standard.

That was a perhaps-eventually-Federal ID. Something Republicans have never supported, as made clear in their party platforms from 2004 to 2016, the last time they had a platform.

"The goal of the Carter-Baker commission's recommendation was to endorse a federal ID standard for voting while requiring states"and perhaps, eventually, the federal government"to make secure IDs available to every citizen free of charge."

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-13 04:39 PM | Reply

Requiring ID to vote = "Freedoms are being taken away."

Requiring vax ID for everything else = "Freedoms aren't being taken away."

#10 | Posted by RUFFALO_ROB

You don't have a right to eat at Crapple Bee's.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-13 11:38 PM | Reply

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

"flatten the curve"

#9 | Posted by RUFFALO_ROB

We really only had one significant shot at that and that was in spring/early summer 2020.

But the --------- that went on to be horse paste eating, UV light up their assing, bleach injecting, water sport loving morons in 2021 and 2022 made sure it didn't happen.

Then they tanked mitigation at every single turn during ever single major wave.

While claiming mitigation doesn't work.

Why? Because they're mouthbreathing ---- heaps. That's why.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-13 11:41 PM | Reply

If we had an ID like that, Dems would cry that it's fascism.

#12 | Posted by RUFFALO_ROB

That's basically a passport.

I've yet to hear anyone call a passport fascism.

Sorry, but fascism remains the primary descriptor for one thing and one thing only-GOP attempts to subvert our democratic institutions at state and federal levels.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-13 11:43 PM | Reply

it's basically a passport?

OMG!

That is hilarious!

A passport is a formal document designed to enable folks to travel from one country to another - it's a process that requires a LOT of hoops to be jumped through.

Having to have a "passport" to grab a burger at the local Wendy's?

Pick a better argument for a vax passport - unless Snoofy just hijacked your account.

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-13 11:48 PM | Reply

Having to have a "passport" to grab a burger at the local Wendy's?

The quoted comment was talking about a national ID --------.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 12:02 AM | Reply

#21 You used the word "passport" multiple times. I was responding to #19 --------.

#22 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 12:05 AM | Reply

We really only had one significant shot at that and that was in spring/early summer 2020.

But the --------- that went on to be horse paste eating, UV light up their assing, bleach injecting, water sport loving morons in 2021 and 2022 made sure it didn't happen.

Then they tanked mitigation at every single turn during ever single major wave.

Jesus. You are such a ------- tool.

#23 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 12:06 AM | Reply

You used the word "passport" multiple times. I was responding to #19 --------.

#22 | Posted by BellRinger

Because it's...you know...basically a national ID.

------- moron.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 12:12 AM | Reply

Jesus. You are such a ------- tool.

#23 | Posted by BellRinger

Sorry I struck a nerve.

But that's the truth.

The whiniest bitches for everything COVID are the ones who've protracted our collective misery.

Because they're Dunning-Kruger, ignorant morons who can't admit they're worthless --------- who should STFU and listen to their betters.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 12:13 AM | Reply

@#25 ... Dunning-Kruger ...

Your comment sent me to duckduckgo...

Dunning-Kruger Effect
www.psychologytoday.com

...The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people wrongly overestimate their knowledge or ability in a specific area. This tends to occur because a lack of self-awareness prevents them from accurately assessing their own skills....

Thx. I learned something.

#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-14 12:19 AM | Reply

@#23 ... Jesus. You are such a ------- tool....

Why?

(just trying to understand this conversation.)


#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-14 12:20 AM | Reply

#25 Listen to you? OMG! Just when I thought your ego couldn't possibly get any bigger...

When it came to these new "vaccines" (they don't really fit that description, but whatever...) I carefully analyzed the best information available. I looked at a number of sources and even consulted my doctor. For me, getting the shot(s) was clearly the best choice, for me, personally. I've encouraged those within my social circle to get the shots because when looking at positive/negative tradeoffs the positives almost always overwhelmingly outweighed the negatives.

#28 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 12:21 AM | Reply

#27 - He comes across as thinking he's the smartest person of all time (think Vezzini from Princess Bride on steroids) and then assigns false positions (I've taken 3 needles and am a huge proponent of these shots based upon my digging into the positives weighed against the potential and realized side effects) that I'm in some kind of death cult because I strongly support the vaxes but oppose mandates on civil libertarian grounds.

#29 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 12:24 AM | Reply

Dunning-Kruger explains way too much. Sorry it wasn't under a more friendly context.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 12:25 AM | Reply

When it came to these new "vaccines" (they don't really fit that description, but whatever...)

They're vaccines, Dunning-Kruger --------.

Your lay level of knowledge doesn't leave you in a position to accurately assess any information you do find.

And you're probably not finding the best information possible.

#28 | Posted by BellRinger

Then it sounds like you're not who I was describing? Why the whining?

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 12:27 AM | Reply

#29 | Posted by BellRinger

That's quite the victim complex you've contrived out of thin air.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 12:28 AM | Reply

#32 | POSTED BY JPW A

Victim complex? No, not at all. A self-perceived Vizzini doling out lame insults to his supposed inferiors? My reaction is a combination of mirth and pity.

#33 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 12:33 AM | Reply

They're vaccines, Dunning-Kruger --------.

Your lay level of knowledge doesn't leave you in a position to accurately assess any information you do find.

And you're probably not finding the best information possible.

I got 3 shots for a reason - it made sense. The efficacy of these shots are being overstated. Which is tragic. With complete transparency and honesty more people would get the shots.

#34 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 12:37 AM | Reply

to his supposed inferiors?

Not supposed.

The efficacy of these shots are being overstated.

By who?

Everything I read is simple numbers of efficacy with complete transparency regarding waning efficacy over time. What exactly are you reading that is an over selling of their efficacy?

#35 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 12:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@29 ... He comes across as thinking he's the smartest person of all time (think Vezzini from Princess Bride on steroids) ..

So what's yer point?

From what I've seen in reading the comments here, the JPW alias has contributed a significant more amount of valid information regarding COVID here than your current Bellringer alias.

Indeed, the opinion I've formed is that your current alias seems to be more inclined to disrupt rather than inform.

So maybe, just maybe, you might need to take a look into the mirror. You reap what you sow.

In other words, to paraphrase Shakespeare in Hamlet... methinks thou dost protest too much.

Jus' sayin'

Carry on. :)



#36 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-14 12:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"The efficacy of these shots are being overstated. Which is tragic. With complete transparency and honesty more people would get the shots."

It's not that the efficacy is being overstated. It's that the efficacy varies depending on the variant and wanes over time. What's tragic to me is that the info is out there, but some folks are ignoring the nuances involved in order to play politics.

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-01-14 12:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Indeed, the opinion I've formed is that your current alias seems to be more inclined to disrupt rather than inform."

I feel like it's been that way for quite some time.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-14 12:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I got 3 shots for a reason - it made sense."

You figured this out based on info that is out there, right? So the info is out there.

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-01-14 12:54 AM | Reply

(I've taken 3 needles and am a huge proponent of these shots based upon my digging into the positives weighed against the potential and realized side effects)

You don't realize how stupide this makes you sound.
Did you do this for every vaccine you've taken?
How about the kids, are they fully vaccinated?

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-14 12:56 AM | Reply

Everything I read is simple numbers of efficacy with complete transparency regarding waning efficacy over time. What exactly are you reading that is an over selling of their efficacy?

#35 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2022-01-14 12:48 AM

Politicians are framing it as a life/death scenario. Mask mandates and virtual "learning" for young kids in spite the fact that schools have never been shown to be a spreader event. On this very site every single anecdote where an unvaxed person caught the disease (did they actually die from Covid or with Covid results in a crazy Injun campfire dance celebrating the death. Ridiculous mask mandates in certain circumstances - a two year old toddler getting kicked off a flight due to no mask.

The fear porn and demands for subservience with things like mask theater are creating a serious pushback.

#41 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 12:56 AM | Reply

I feel like it's been that way for quite some time.

#38 | Posted by snoofy

Since he slunk back.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 12:57 AM | Reply

"I got 3 shots for a reason - it made sense."

Fill in the blank:
I got 3 shots for a reason - it made sense.
But I oppose everyone getting 3 shots. even though it makes sense, because _________.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-14 12:57 AM | Reply

The fear porn and demands for subservience with things like mask theater are creating a serious pushback.
#41 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You oppose seatbelt laws too, I take it.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-14 12:58 AM | Reply

You oppose child car seat laws too.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-14 12:58 AM | Reply

This is how you end up in a Death Cult.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-14 12:58 AM | Reply

"You don't realize how stupide this makes you sound."

I don't think it makes him sound stupid. I think it makes him sound prudent and well-informed. I did the same thing. A lot of people did.

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-01-14 12:59 AM | Reply

But I oppose everyone getting 3 shots.

No I don't. Not even close. Stop with your --------. Just stop.

#48 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 01:00 AM | Reply

"The fear porn and demands for subservience with things like mask theater are creating a serious pushback."

I'm grateful for the mask mandates where I live. Why? Because I've done the research on those too.

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-01-14 01:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

BTW, your use of phrases like fear porn and mask theater are the reason some are accusing you of being in a death cult.

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-01-14 01:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

50

I know, the children need an excuse for behaving like children.

#51 | Posted by eberly at 2022-01-14 01:07 AM | Reply

@#41 ... Politicians are framing it as a life/death scenario. ...

Not the politicians I've been listening to. Think about that for a bit.


... The fear porn and demands for subservience with things like mask theater are creating a serious pushback. ...

My view is the over-reaction and exaggeration is what is creating the serious pushback.

For starters, elaborate on what you call "demands for subservience."

Let's start from there.


#52 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-14 01:08 AM | Reply

I don't care about what I'm accused of.

We are two years into this and we are nowhere in sight of this coming to an end.

We hear very little about the negative tradeoffs of mitigation tactics. Lockdowns created all sorts of devastation that created both horrible short-term impact but is something that will have long-term impact as well, especially among children who had their formative years disrupted by lockdowns, cancelled in-school learning, stupid mask mandates, etc.

Humans are very social. This lockdown ---- is having a huge toll, a massive negative tradeoff in the pursuit of trying to slow the speed (which is inevitable at this point.)

When does it end? When do we go back to living our lives with the understanding that this is a new risk that we have to deal with without just shutting everything down and succumbing to never-ending authoritarianism. I cannot even comprehend what Australia has quickly become.

#53 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 01:12 AM | Reply

Politicians are framing it as a life/death scenario.

You take your medical advice from politicians?

And it can be. Tens of thousands have thought "won't be me" until it was them. Hospitalizations have been increasing in younger populations since delta.

Mask mandates and virtual "learning" for young kids in spite the fact that schools have never been shown to be a spreader event.

Completely, absolutely 100% untrue. Schools spread at rates comparable to community spread, which is entirely predictable.

www.cdc.gov

Also, anecdotally, my wife runs a school. Each campus of the two campus system her school is part of has had outbreaks this year alone. Her building is currently on remote learning to squelch an outbreak that spread to a third of her staff and a fifth of her kids.

So try again.

On this very site every single anecdote where an unvaxed person caught the disease (did they actually die from Covid or with Covid results in a crazy Injun campfire dance celebrating the death.

"Die for or with COVID" is what ignorant morons say. If your kidneys give out because of COVID caused clots, you died from COVID. If you're diabetes is thrown into chaos from omicron and you go to the hospital because you're in ketolysis and can't get your blood sugar under control, you're hospitalized because of COVID. Stop acting as if a degree of separation means COVID isn't a cause.

Ridiculous mask mandates in certain circumstances - a two year old toddler getting kicked off a flight due to no mask.

That is stupid and is against guidance.

But pointing to exceptions while ignoring norms is asinine.

The fear porn and demands for subservience with things like mask theater are creating a serious pushback.

#41 | Posted by BellRinger

By dumbasses lacking in resilience or an ability to think beyond themselves. By people who take as much as they can every chance they get but squelch on contributing whenever they can.

Sorry, but the above line drips hysteria and moronic interpretation through a lens of 'woe is me'.

To the adults in the room, the last two years haven't been nearly as hyperventilation worthy.

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 01:12 AM | Reply

I know, the children need an excuse for behaving like children.

#51 | Posted by eberly

Or it's ridiculous, over the top rhetoric detached from reality.

But yeah, as usual when it comes to poor victims like Jeffy it's those reacting to his stupidity that are the problem.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 01:15 AM | Reply

"I don't care about what I'm accused of."

You are the one who brought up the death cult accusation:

#27 - He comes across as thinking he's the smartest person of all time (think Vezzini from Princess Bride on steroids) and then assigns false positions (I've taken 3 needles and am a huge proponent of these shots based upon my digging into the positives weighed against the potential and realized side effects) that I'm in some kind of death cult because I strongly support the vaxes but oppose mandates on civil libertarian grounds.

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-01-14 01:17 AM | Reply

#54 So, when does it end? seriously, are we going to wear masks in perpetuity? Vaccine passports, just like Soviet papers? Ever-increasing subservience to authority? Ignore any possibility of an authoritarian slippery slope? The shots (3 and counting) were supposed to provide a layer of protection that was supposed to enable a return to normality.

#57 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 01:18 AM | Reply

To the adults in the room, the last two years haven't been nearly as hyperventilation worthy.

#54 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2022-01-14 01:12 AM

Tell that to parents whose children lost crucial developmental time due to lockdowns, mask mandates, social distancing to an absurd degree, etc.

#58 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 01:20 AM | Reply

@#53 ... We are two years into this and we are nowhere in sight of this coming to an end. ...

In the words of the Harris County, TX Health Department (paraphrasing)...

We may be tired of this virus, but this virus is not yet tired of us.

So yeah, it's been two years. Deal with it. Are you so weak that you cannot deal with it?

Really.

We are being attacked, and you seem to just want to give up because it has been a couple of years.


#59 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-14 01:24 AM | Reply

@#57 ... are we going to wear masks in perpetuity? ...

If we need to in order to stop killing the members of our community, then I'd say, yes.

But I have to ask...

why does wearing a mask seem to be such a huge thing for you?

Wouldn't you want to assist those in your community in the fight against the virus?


#60 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-14 01:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#57 ... The shots (3 and counting) were supposed to provide a layer of protection that was supposed to enable a return to normality. ...

This virus is a wily one.

Are you already tired of fighting the enemy that is attacking us?

Where is your resolve?



#61 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-01-14 01:30 AM | Reply

#54 So, when does it end? seriously, are we going to wear masks in perpetuity? Vaccine passports, just like Soviet papers? Ever-increasing subservience to authority? Ignore any possibility of an authoritarian slippery slope? The shots (3 and counting) were supposed to provide a layer of protection that was supposed to enable a return to normality.

#57 | Posted by BellRinger

More hyperbolic garbage. Because you have zero understanding of history or any resilience to handle adversity.

It ends soon. My guess? This summer. On par with historical respiratory pandemics.

There will be a few hiccups over the next few years but that's expected as equilibrium is reached. But the amplitude of of the waves in the hiccups will become less over time.

Your view isn't based on any rational, objective reading of existing information. You read what you want to support your tantrum because, damnit, you want normal NOW! Regardless of what reality is.

#62 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 01:36 AM | Reply

"We hear very little about the negative tradeoffs of mitigation tactics. Lockdowns created all sorts of devastation that created both horrible short-term impact but is something that will have long-term impact as well, especially among children who had their formative years disrupted by lockdowns, cancelled in-school learning, stupid mask mandates, etc."

It's a war against covid. I lose patience with all this handwringing over how this war has traumatized our kids for life. Yes, it has been harmful, but what do you think happened to the kids in England, for example, during WWII, and they learned to live again and thrive.

#63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-01-14 01:40 AM | Reply

Tell that to parents whose children lost crucial developmental time due to lockdowns, mask mandates, social distancing to an absurd degree, etc.

#58 | Posted by BellRinger

Something to be dealt with and not something that was unknown.

But you know what wasn't fixable? What change we couldn't deal with as it came?

Death.

Not just COVID deaths but secondary deaths owing to lack of medical care, medical staff or medical resources.

We've held on by the skin of our teeth the last two years and the thin veneer of HCWs is tearing in all locations.

Also, I'm sorry but that's also on the parents some. The pandemic has showed that for many (most?) parents school is viewed as little more than free daycare. It was their job as parents to adapt and try to lessen the blow to their children over the pandemic.

#64 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 01:41 AM | Reply

t ends soon. My guess? This summer. On par with historical respiratory pandemics.

Historical? Influenza that circled the globe more than once was more than a century ago and it's less likely that virus was modified in a lab to make it more infectious and more deadly.

#65 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 01:41 AM | Reply

why does wearing a mask seem to be such a huge thing for you?

Wouldn't you want to assist those in your community in the fight against the virus?

#60 | Posted by LampLighter

No.

To people like bellringer community exists to benefit and support them.

But they feel zero obligation to give back.

#66 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 01:43 AM | Reply

The pandemic has showed that for many (most?) parents school is viewed as little more than free daycare

Good God. I cannot believe how clueless and elitist you are. That is such a ridiculous take, I don't even know where to begin...

#67 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 01:43 AM | Reply

To people like bellringer community exists to benefit and support them.

But they feel zero obligation to give back.

#66 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2022-01-14 01:43 AM

I'm just laughing at how wrong you are and how much of a jackass you are. But whatever. Keep on with your bigoted stereotypes. It's what you do best.

#68 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 01:45 AM | Reply

Historical? Influenza that circled the globe more than once was more than a century ago

And? More globalization was reflected in how much faster it spread initially and how quickly variants like omicron spread (was present in multiple countries before it was identified).

Doesn't change more local dynamics.

and it's less likely that virus was modified in a lab to make it more infectious and more deadly.

#65 | Posted by BellRinger

Oh FFS. Piss off with that --------.

#69 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 01:46 AM | Reply

I cannot believe how clueless and elitist you are. That is such a ridiculous take, I don't even know where to begin...

#67 | Posted by BellRinger

I can't believe what a ----- you are.

Apparently for you there are easily attained limits to what you'll do for your kids.

#70 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 01:47 AM | Reply

It's a war against covid. I lose patience with all this handwringing over how this war has traumatized our kids for life. Yes, it has been harmful, but what do you think happened to the kids in England, for example, during WWII, and they learned to live again and thrive.

#63 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2022-01-14 01:40 AM

Are you really drawing a comparison between carpet bombing campaigns and a virus? Have you ever looked at pictures of Dresden?

#71 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 01:47 AM | Reply

can't believe what a ----- you are.

Apparently for you there are easily attained limits to what you'll do for your kids.

#70 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2022-01-14 01:47 AM | REPLY |

What? Here's a newsflash: Parents care deeply about the welfare of their children. I know it sounds crazy but it really is true.

#72 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 01:49 AM | Reply

'm just laughing at how wrong you are and how much of a jackass you are. But whatever. Keep on with your bigoted stereotypes. It's what you do best.

#68 | Posted by BellRinger

If putting a mask on is worthy of long whiny bitchiness for you, that's not a stereotype.

It's literally nothing.

But yet you whine about baseless "masks in perpetuity".

You lack resilience. Period.

#73 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 01:49 AM | Reply

Are you really drawing a comparison between carpet bombing campaigns and a virus? Have you ever looked at pictures of Dresden?

#71 | Posted by BellRinger

Considering she's saying WWII was worse and yet kids managed....yeah I don't think she needs to look up Dresden.

You, however, need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

#74 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 01:51 AM | Reply

Oh FFS. Piss off with that --------.

#69 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2022-01-14 01:46 AM

If I am reading your response correctly, you think there is a zero percent chance SARS COV-2 was genetically altered in a lab via gain of function and further that it's introduction into the world was a lab leak, accidental or otherwise.

#75 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 01:52 AM | Reply

What? Here's a newsflash: Parents care deeply about the welfare of their children.

I'm aware.

Doesn't absolve them of not adapting themselves to lessen the blow on their children.

#76 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 01:52 AM | Reply

You lack resilience. Period.

#73 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2022-01-14 01:49 AM

It's not about me. I spent 4 hours in a hospital today with that stupid thing on my face while spending time with my dad. It's not natural for kids, especially younger kids in a learning environment. Didn't you learn anything about human development especially at a young age when you went through all of your high level science classes making you the smartest person this planet has ever seen?

#77 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 01:54 AM | Reply

If I am reading your response correctly, you think there is a zero percent chance SARS COV-2 was genetically altered in a lab via gain of function and further that it's introduction into the world was a lab leak, accidental or otherwise.

#75 | Posted by BellRinger

There is zero evidence that it's a lab product. The evolution we've watched in real time showing adaptation to human hosts over the last two years is evidence that it wasn't well adapted to humans or human cells at all.

So bringing that up is ludicrous.

As for lab leak of a naturally occurring virus? There's no evidence for or against and there's a lot of debate over initial cases in Wuhan and whether they're connected to the market or not.

#78 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 01:55 AM | Reply

I'm aware.

No, you really aren't. You presume to know more about what's best for children than their parents.

#79 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 01:55 AM | Reply

Are you really drawing a comparison between carpet bombing campaigns and a virus? Have you ever looked at pictures of Dresden?
#71 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

The war against covid is a metaphor. My point is that children survived in a real war zone, where the lockdowns involved hiding in an air raid shelter while bombs fell, and then went on to have productive lives. The lockdowns endured during the war on covid are mild in comparison, and yet people are speculating kids will be scarred for life.

#80 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-01-14 01:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

There is zero evidence that it's a lab product. The evolution we've watched in real time showing adaptation to human hosts over the last two years is evidence that it wasn't well adapted to humans or human cells at all.

Oh really? For a virus that isn't well adapted to humans of human cells it sure as ---- spread like wildfire leaving massive numbers dead in its wake.

#81 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 01:58 AM | Reply

The war against covid is a metaphor. My point is that children survived in a real war zone, where the lockdowns involved hiding in an air raid shelter while bombs fell, and then went on to have productive lives. The lockdowns endured during the war on covid are mild in comparison, and yet people are speculating kids will be scarred for life.

#80 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2022-01-14 01:57 AM |

So, we should just ------- critical educational years and hold kids back just because kids during WWII managed to cope to some extent? Should we subject children to some mild torture just to toughen them up?

#82 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 02:01 AM | Reply

In a first world country we don't just lazily accept third world learning for our children because Fauci says so.

#83 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 02:02 AM | Reply

It's not about me. I spent 4 hours in a hospital today with that stupid thing on my face while spending time with my dad.

The fact that you had to throw in a petulant "stupid thing" like a six year old tells me al I need to know-you lack resilience.

I hope your dad isn't there for COVID. If he's not, that "stupid thing" could be a critical safeguard.

It's not natural for kids, especially younger kids in a learning environment. Didn't you learn anything about human development especially at a young age when you went through all of your high level science classes making you the smartest person this planet has ever seen?

#77 | Posted by BellRinger

Very little. Wasn't in dev bio.

But again, do you think this isn't/wasn't know? It was part of the calculus. Didn't I already school you on the mixed bag of disciplines involved in a public health response/policy?

#84 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 02:07 AM | Reply

I hope your dad isn't there for COVID. If he's not, that "stupid thing" could be a critical safeguard.

Leukemia. A resurgence. Like the first time we caught it early. Thankfully.

But again, do you think this isn't/wasn't know? It was part of the calculus. Didn't I already school you on the mixed bag of disciplines involved in a public health response/policy?

#84 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2022-01-14 02:07 AM

If you addressed it I missed it. Sorry.

#85 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 02:12 AM | Reply

Oh really? For a virus that isn't well adapted to humans of human cells it sure as ---- spread like wildfire leaving massive numbers dead in its wake.

#81 | Posted by BellRinger

Zoonotic viruses are often very very pathogenic.

Not because they're well adapted to human cells (they're adapted to their animal host's cells...), but because they're novel and there's no existing immunity.

When you consider bats it gets worse because bats have this amazing, as yet understood ability to control more viral infections than any other animal science has researched. There are quarks to their immunity that make them shrug off viruses left and right. Viruses that are adapted to bats tend to be extremely pathogenic to people when they make the jump because our systems do not deal with them nearly as well.

Again, we've watched and analyzed, in real time, as the virus adapted to multiple variables in the human host. Increased affinity for ACE2 binding, multiple variations in neutralizing epitopes to evade antibodies, changes that increased environmental stability to boost human-human transmission.

The virus was not well adapted to humans as hosts.

#86 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 02:13 AM | Reply

So, we should just ------- critical educational years and hold kids back just because kids during WWII managed to cope to some extent? Should we subject children to some mild torture just to toughen them up?

#82 | Posted by BellRinger

Lacks. Resilience.

#87 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 02:14 AM | Reply

In a first world country we don't just lazily accept third world learning for our children because Fauci says so.

#83 | Posted by BellRinger

If you were educated you would pick up the slack.

#88 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 02:15 AM | Reply

#82 What we shouldn't do is tell kids their whole lives are ruined because of lockdowns, remote learning and mask wearing.

#89 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-01-14 02:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Leukemia. A resurgence. Like the first time we caught it early. Thankfully.

Not COVID. Not much better than COVID. I'm sorry.

Take that mask seriously. Leukemia crowds out normal immune cells and immune deficiencies make COVID much much higher chances of being severe.

Wearing a mask is a small sacrifice to make.

If you addressed it I missed it. Sorry.

#85 | Posted by BellRinger

It may have been someone else.

In any case, public health is a blend of a bunch of disciplines. Medicine (including ID, psychology, development/pediatrics), science, social sciences, economics and political science.

All of these fields are considered and have chimed in.

Additionally, you lump together solutions with the problems. Going remote is/has been determined to be less disruptive than in person with masks/distancing/mitigation. The reason is multi-faceted in that there are issues with disruptions caused by outbreaks among kids, there are large disruptions caused by staff being out. There are logistical issues with a portion of kids being out while some are in person. There are issues of cleaning or resource expenditure for mitigation.

Every single aspect of the pandemic is incredibly complicated with multiple, competing variables.

#90 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 02:24 AM | Reply

Take that mask seriously. Leukemia crowds out normal immune cells and immune deficiencies make COVID much much higher chances of being severe.

Good to know. He's had his 3 shots and was in good spirits. I was fine with wearing the mask at the hospital.

Every single aspect of the pandemic is incredibly complicated with multiple, competing variables.

#90 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2022-01-14 02:24 AM |

For sure.

#91 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 02:30 AM | Reply

#82 What we shouldn't do is tell kids their whole lives are ruined because of lockdowns, remote learning and mask wearing.

#89 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Bingo.

But I'm afraid many parent's penchant for victim complex addiction will pass that on to the kids by making sure they live with it.

Their "love" will lead to maintenance of past parental grievance.

#92 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 02:31 AM | Reply

It's not about telling kids they are victims. Quote the contrary - that is what many parents oppose about the insertion of tenets of CRT into some school districts. When in a face-to-face conversation 90% of what we take away from the other person is a combination of reading body language and vocal inflection. The other 10% is the actual words being spoken.

Denying younger kids that kind of interaction at a young age sets them back. And it's not just facial expressions. People crave and need physical contact. Handshakes and hugs. Fist bumps. My joke during the peak of the lockdowns was the only acceptable forms of physical greeting according to the CDC was elbow bump and grab-ass.

Gal Tuesday - I get where you are going regarding resiliency, but by the same token denying kids these basics absolutely has a toll - a significant toll.

#93 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 02:41 AM | Reply

Their "love" will lead to maintenance of past parental grievance.

#92 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2022-01-14 02:31 AM

No. I'm guessing you don't have kids and coupled with that don't have much empathy.

Please - I don't say that as an insult. I read your comments on this and I see a complete lack of empathy - it's as if you sneer at parents who care deeply about the welfare of their children. Kind of like a technocrat.

#94 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-14 02:45 AM | Reply

Should we subject children to some mild torture just to toughen them up?
#82 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You're such a joke.
Should every child be guaranteed three hots and a cot?
No, they routinely go without food and housing as a way of life in this country.

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-14 02:52 AM | Reply

"In a first world country we don't just lazily accept third world learning for our children because Fauci says so."

Did you just call teachers lazy?

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-14 02:53 AM | Reply

It's not natural for kids, especially younger kids in a learning environment.
#77 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Neither is wearing clothes. Or glasses. Or braces. Or sitting at a desk for an hour.

You're a basket case.

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-14 02:55 AM | Reply

#94 | Posted by BellRinger

I lack empathy for parents who on one hand whine about the damage kids are taking by closing schools...but will on the other hand whine about their freedumz and independence being infringed upon.

Take some responsibility and stop bitching that others aren't doing it for you. Especially when those people are often ---- on for doing their best.

#98 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-14 03:03 AM | Reply

"younger kids in a learning environment."

Learning environments won't be around for long if Republicans get their way.
They've already shown what they'll do to refugee kids.
Take them away from their parents and send them to camps.

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-14 03:51 AM | Reply

You know how to win an argument with an anti-vaxxer?
Just wait, you get the LAST word.

#101 | Posted by a_monson at 2022-01-14 05:54 AM | Reply

You know Asian kids around the world wear masks without a problem. It doesn't traumatize them. Republicans are such asinine whiners.

#102 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-01-14 09:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"We are two years into this and we are nowhere in sight of this coming to an end."

Amd you would like to speak to the manager.

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-14 10:27 AM | Reply

How did we get rid of smallpox? Measles? Polio? It sure as hell wasn't by obstructing every attempt by the government to protect the public health. What a bunch of selfish a-$h0l-s.

#104 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-01-14 02:37 PM | Reply

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