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Thursday, January 13, 2022

Jonathan Stevenson and Steven Simon: It's plausible that the United States as we know it could disintegrate. Institutions need to consider worst-case scenarios -- to help avoid them.

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some of us have been for decades.

#1 | Posted by ichiro at 2022-01-13 09:10 PM | Reply

Surprisingly good article.

All appointed office holders, including military officers take an oath to support the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I don't know how much thought has been put into how to defend against a domestic enemy.

That being said, I think that a lot of the acrimony could be diffused if more attention was given to the tenth amendment. I think it's becoming clear that the US may be becoming something of a bad marriage, mostly as a result of the federal government trying to push one-size-fits-all legislation across states with different concerns.

Gut the powers of the presidency, and return sovereignty to the states. I don't think Montana cares what California does, so long as California is not trying to impose its will on Montana.

#2 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-01-13 09:28 PM | Reply

Careful what you wish for, cause right now Montana imposes its will on CA.

If your dream were to come true, red states would lose ALOT more than blue states.

#3 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-13 09:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Gut the powers of the presidency, and return sovereignty to the states. I don't think Montana cares what California does, so long as California is not trying to impose its will on Montana.
#2 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2022-01-13 09:28 PM

Yes. The federal government, particularly the executive, has vastly outgrown its enumerated powers. Pare it back and let people live where they want to live in accordance with how they want to live.

#4 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-13 09:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

If your dream were to come true, red states would lose ALOT more than blue states.

#3 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2022-01-13 09:31 PM

Not really. The states would have more autonomy and their laws and governance would more closely reflect the will and desires of their residents. It's a win-win. California can do more of what it wants and ditto for Texas.

#5 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-13 09:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Pare it back and let people live where they want to live in accordance with how they want to live.

#4 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

West Virginia receives $4.3 Billion in Federal Aid, 34.8% of it's general revenue.

ballotpedia.org

Those are mainly in the form of grants for Medicaid, Education and Transportation.

Taking YOUR logic to it's logical conclusion, West Virginia would lose a major portion of this income.

Do you think that is a reasonable or acceptable result? How do you justify the massive reduction in healthcare, education, roads and bridges?

#6 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-13 09:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not really. The states would have more autonomy and their laws and governance would more closely reflect the will and desires of their residents. It's a win-win. California can do more of what it wants and ditto for Texas.

#5 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Do you think the residents of WV would be satisfied with a loss of around 1/3 of spending on healthcare, education and transportation needs?

#7 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-13 09:40 PM | Reply

What do you think would be the impact on the economy of WV? Certainly, some businesses will move there to exploit a cheap, uneducated and unprotected labor force, but more high-income industries (i.e. tech) would move out as they would not have the educated labor force to compete. So, you would end up with mining and factory farms. The result would be an even larger reduction in the state's economy and quality of life.

Certain to see an increase in obesity and drug abuse as access to healthcare disappears.

#8 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-13 09:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

IOW, the libertarian wet dream of antebellum state's rights is a suicide pact and ain't gonna happen.

#9 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-01-13 09:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#4 which people? ALL PEOPLE.

#10 | Posted by ichiro at 2022-01-13 10:21 PM | Reply

People don't want to leave the union they want to go on a vacation without covid.

The union will not dissolve people trying to rip it apart will.

#11 | Posted by Tor at 2022-01-13 11:51 PM | Reply

"I don't know how much thought has been put into how to defend against a domestic enemy."

I don't think it quite works that way.
The right has expended considerable effort to guarantee that a domestic enemy has the right to arm themselves with ease.

It's just a matter of, which one?

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-13 11:57 PM | Reply

2 | Posted by madbomber

In some cases.

Problem is things have shifted up the ladder globally. Increased connectivity will inevitably result in a necessity for higher level policy or regulation.

Also, I find that like most critiques attempting to defer to 10th amendment arguments fall into the same trap as critiques of regulations-they don't account for the reason many/most were enacted to begin with. There seems to be this naive assumption that they just were *poofed* into existence because someone thought it was a good idea without any rationale.

That doesn't even touch issues of reciprocation.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-13 11:58 PM | Reply

Why don't you go and pat your Antifa buddies on the head as they set small businesses on fire, Snoofy.

We all know you got off on lecturing those losers for not having adequate riot/arson insurance.

#14 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-13 11:59 PM | Reply

#14 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Domestic enemy.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-14 08:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I've said it before: This country is over.

Sorry, it's too late. We're headed for sub superpower status like England. Or worse.

#16 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-01-14 08:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why it's over:

www.yahoo.com

WASHINGTON (AP) " All but conceding defeat, President Joe Biden said Thursday he's now unsure the Democrats' major elections and voting rights legislation can pass Congress this year. He spoke at the Capitol after a key fellow Democrat, Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona, dramatically announced her refusal to go along with changing Senate rules to muscle the bill past a Republican filibuster.

Biden had come to the Capitol to prod Democratic senators in a closed-door meeting, but he was not optimistic when he emerged. He vowed to keep fighting for the sweeping legislation that advocates say is vital to protecting elections.

"The honest to God answer is I don't know whether we can get this done," Biden said. He told reporters, his voice rising, "As long as I'm in the White House, as long as I'm engaged at all, I'm going to be fighting."

Sinema all but dashed the bill's chances minutes earlier, declaring just before Biden arrived on Capitol Hill that she could not support a "short sighted" rules change.

She said in a speech on the Senate floor that the answer to divisiveness in the Senate and in the country is not to change filibuster rules so one party, even hers, can pass controversial bills. "We must address the disease itself, the disease of division, to protect our democracy," she said.

#17 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-01-14 08:46 AM | Reply

"She said in a speech on the Senate floor that the answer to divisiveness in the Senate and in the country is not to change filibuster rules so one party, even hers, can pass controversial bills."

Someone pointed out recently that divisiveness, controversial bills regarding voting rights are being passed left and right in Republican run states, by one party, the GOP, a fact that Kristen is choosing to ignore to democracy's detriment and peril.

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-01-14 08:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Pare it back and let people live where they want to live in accordance with how they want to live.

12-13 of the 15 most federally dependent states are red states. So it seems those people "want to live" in a place where they get to leech off the federal government. Also, as TH said, divorcing those states from the fed would likely lower the standard of living for every poor person in those places. People can't all just pick up and move to California.

#19 | Posted by JOE at 2022-01-14 08:57 AM | Reply

Sinema & Manchin represent 2.8% of US population but allowing 41 GOP senators representing just 21% of country to block voting rights bills supported by 70% of Americans that would protect voting access for tens of millions. US political system completely broken

GOP states have passed new voter suppression laws, gerrymandered maps & election subversion bills through simple majority, party-line votes yet Sinema & Manchin demand bipartisan supermajority to protect voting rights. This is how coup succeeds

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#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-01-14 09:06 AM | Reply

"Pare it back and let people live where they want to live in accordance with how they want to live."

We tried that whole "slave states v. free states" before, dumbfuq.

#21 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-01-14 10:02 AM | Reply

"The right has expended considerable effort to guarantee that a domestic enemy has the right to arm themselves with ease."

So the very document that was created by our founding fathers placed this as the #2 OVERALL right of Americans, and it's been that way for 250 years...and you somehow still find a way to make it a partisan issue and spread hate. It's such a shame how partisan hate destroys peoples' brain cells and allows them to think like this.

"GOP states have passed new voter suppression laws"

Yet, no one has still proven that any legislation being presented suppresses votes of any kind. Removing conveniences is not suppression. You can still go to your voting booth and vote however you want. None of the laws by either side is preventing this in any meaningful way. Mail-in voting is only a convenience. Now, can it be optimized so that it goes to those who need it like disabled people and such, sure. But that's not what Dems are fighting for. So, there is nothing about any of the proposals that suppresses voting. Once you get all that hate out of your head that clouds your image, young one, your life will be so much better.

#22 | Posted by humtake at 2022-01-14 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Removing conveniences is not suppression.

#22 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

Why would anyone go to so much trouble to inconvenience others?

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2022-01-14 01:28 PM | Reply

Humtake being Retarded again.

#24 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-01-14 01:40 PM | Reply

In a fragmented country, CA/NV will end up in a shooting war with Utah, Arizona, and probably Colorado. Those states will definitely be dumping garbage straight into the Colorado river.

#25 | Posted by dibblda at 2022-01-14 06:55 PM | Reply

Why don't you go and pat your Antifa buddies on the head as they set small businesses on fire,

#14 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2022-01-13 11:59 PM | FLAG: KAREN

How about you give us a count on the throngs of small businesses set ablaze by Atifa and we will compare it to the damage inflicted and lives lost from the actions of right-wing extremist groups.

You will lose... again.

#26 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2022-01-14 11:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I've known we were headed for a civil war since the 2000 election. Flipping between the news channels, I realized republicans existed in an alternate reality. People cannot co exist if they don't agree on reality.

Thanks rupert murdoch. Al quaeda couldnt dream of accomplishing what you did.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-01-15 12:10 AM | Reply

So the very document that was created by our founding fathers placed this as the #2 OVERALL right of Americans, and it's been that way for 250 years...

#22 | Posted by humtake

YOu mean the document that was fine with slavery? Written in a time when it took 40 seconds to reload a single bullet?

Is that the holy text that must be followed to the letter?

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-01-15 12:11 AM | Reply

What's "unthinkable" is that the NYT has convinced itself that anybody is willing to pay money to read this kind of silly ---------.

#29 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-01-15 12:33 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

" 26 | POSTED BY RIGHTISTRITE AT 2022-01-14 11:34 PM | REPLY"

Over the course of 8 months your lefty brethren racked up impressive numbers. $2 billion in property damage and that is the least ugly number.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-15 12:37 AM | Reply

"Over the course of 8 months your lefty brethren racked up impressive numbers. "

Still haven't come up with a percentage to assign to your brethren, huh? Why the fear?

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-01-15 12:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's "unthinkable" is that the NYT has convinced itself that anybody is willing to pay money to read this kind of silly ---------.

#29 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

What's unthinkable is that a Texas Tech business grad who was handed a "ranch" thinks their opinion is worth a ----.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2022-01-15 03:20 AM | Reply

#32

That's harsh. The Tech part I think I remember but the "handed" not at all. That said, I've known several "ranch" types inrl. They're opinions I've always found to be been worth a ----. Whether those opinions should govern the country is another matter.

#33 | Posted by et_al at 2022-01-15 04:27 AM | Reply

What's "unthinkable" is that the NYT has convinced itself that anybody is willing to pay money to read this kind of silly ---------.

#29 | Posted by Mao_Content

The only reason you think it's --------- is because you're ignorant of history and how your cult is following the same footsteps of every modern civil war started by a racial group that thinks it's losing power.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-01-15 02:34 PM | Reply

Over the course of 8 months your lefty brethren racked up impressive numbers. $2 billion in property damage and that is the least ugly number.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger

You're going to spend the rest of your life pretending that 2 billion in property damage* is worse than an attempted violent coup to end democracy and install fascism.

*figure provided by notorious liars

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-01-15 02:35 PM | Reply

"2 billion in property damage"

Oh so 2% of the cost of a winter storm in Texas:

www.dallasfed.org
The power outages led to widespread damage to homes and businesses, foregone economic activity, contaminated water supplies and the loss of at least 111 lives. Early estimates indicate that the freeze and outage may cost the Texas economy $80 billion"$130 billion in direct and indirect economic loss. These initial calculations come with significant uncertainty. Estimates of insured losses, which are easier to quantify, range from $10 billion to $20 billion.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-01-15 03:06 PM | Reply

Over the course of 8 months your lefty brethren racked up impressive numbers. $2 billion in property damage and that is the least ugly number.
#30 | Posted by BellRinger

Liar.

www.youtube.com

#37 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2022-01-15 03:31 PM | Reply

#30 | Posted by BellRinger

Liar.
#37 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

Everything BellRinger posts is a lie and none of it is worth reading.

He spends 24/7 on the DR spreading lies and misinformation.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-01-15 05:42 PM | Reply

#37 the numbers are well documented, liar.

Cheering rioters, arson, assaults, looting and homicides is really ugly.

You should reflect on why you think killing a small business owner and burning down his livelihood is a good thing, Whatleft.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-16 01:33 AM | Reply

Whatleft and CLownshack take turns desecrating the grave of David Dorn.

#40 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-01-16 01:35 AM | Reply

"the numbers are well documented"

The political bents of the rioters aren't.

Why have you avoided assigning a percentage of the destruction to YOUR brethren?

#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-01-16 04:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Cheering rioters, arson, assaults, looting and homicides is really ugly."

Pretending they all represent one side is even uglier.

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-01-16 04:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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