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Tuesday, April 19, 2022

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis called Tuesday for lawmakers to consider repealing Disney's special districts after Disney's CEO spoke out against a new law critics dub the "Don't Say Gay" law.

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...Desantis issued a proclamation calling for a special legislative session from Tuesday through Friday to consider terminating Disney's self-governing authority over its special districts established in 1967.

Months after Walt Disney's death in December 1966, the governor and state lawmakers granted Disney, under the direction of Walt Disney's brother Roy Disney, the establishment of the Reedy Creek Improvement District to govern property that would eventually become Disney World.

The Florida governor announced during a news conference in the morning in The Villages that state lawmakers will consider repealing all special districts, including Disney's Reed Creek Improvement District, which now spans two counties and 25,000 acres. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-04-19 01:41 PM | Reply

Declare war against one of your states largest tax sources and employers for political revenge is government overreach. The fire department, power plant and roads that Disney currently funds would then be paid for by Florida taxpayers. What ever happened to the Republican way of letting the free market decide? DeSantis is Trump with more stupid.

#2 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-04-19 08:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#2

Wouldn't the state have to BUY this infrastructure from Disney and then fund its continued maintenance and updating?

The "get" for DeSantis and the butthurt Florida Republicans would be that Disney would now have to kowtow to THEM instead of unilaterally controlling their own independent district. And like a good mob boss, there would be mandatory tributes (new taxes) and bribes (political donations) demanded above and below the table moving forward.

Just more thugocracy from Florida's chief authoritarian kleptocrat.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-19 08:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Leftists don't like corporations are people but have no problem with corporations are governments.

#4 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-19 08:51 PM | Reply

Bad reason to do something that should be done.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-04-19 08:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#5. Well said.

#6 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-04-19 09:01 PM | Reply

What happened to "free speech has consequences"?

#7 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2022-04-19 09:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#7. Understood but I don't like this because it looks retaliatory.

#8 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-04-19 09:02 PM | Reply

Leftists don't like corporations are people but have no problem with corporations are governments.

#4 | Posted by visitor_

Righties are an actual fascist cult so they have to make up lies about the opposition like "lefties don't like corporations".

What lefties dont like is corporations buying politicians. Do YOU like that?

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-19 09:08 PM | Reply

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

File under: "Save your breath to cool your porridge".

#10 | Posted by Angrydad at 2022-04-19 09:13 PM | Reply

So what about the 1800 other special districts in Florida?

This has been considered before, by the way. The only person who is going to win anything out of this is desantis's presidential plans, (queue the clowns above)

It sure isn't going to be anything good for the people of Florida

#11 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-04-19 09:19 PM | Reply

Leftists love corporations and Citizen United. LOL Sure Jan.

#12 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-19 09:21 PM | Reply

"Do something that should be done"

So how does doing this benefit the people of Florida, exactly?

#13 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-04-19 09:22 PM | Reply

From the comments, it's obvious that many have not considered the 360-degree view of Disney asking for and receiving the Reedy Creek legislation. Disney did the state of Florida and the-then sleepy town of Orlando a HUGE favor by taking on the entire expense of paying for their own infrastructure without charging taxpayers a penny.

Please consider the enormity of Disney's property, and consider that in the early years they would not have been contributing tax revenue to the degree they've grown to now. Orlando would have had to pay for all the improvements, fund the police and fire departments, pave hundreds of miles of roads, etc. even before Disney could open the first park. It's not like Disney has the authority to collect taxes within their district. The usual comparisons don't fit in this example. For a property as large as Disney, it makes perfect sense for them to control and maintain all aspects of its property -from security, safety, sanitation and upkeep - without having to coordinate with local and state governments at every turn nor seek funding for their internal needs from local taxpayers.

Quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if The Villages has some sort of district like Disney does for many of the same reasons. Isn't it every righties dream not to have to deal with government for anything? Disney put their own money where their mouth was almost 6 decades ago and have done a pretty good job of creating a huge asset for the state of Florida and the local governments surrounding their district.

#14 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-19 09:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Leftists love corporations and Citizen United. LOL Sure Jan.

#12 | Posted by visitor_

Righties love sticking to their lies about lefties. What else can they campaign on? Their record of attempting a fascist coup?

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-19 09:47 PM | Reply

At least you're consistently inconsistent.
#4 #9 #15

Sure Jan.

#16 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-19 10:01 PM | Reply

"Leftists love corporations and Citizen United. LOL Sure Jan."

Excellempt to shift ehe blame for the corpraeoracy from Republicans, who have completetly supported it yo "Leftists." rypical Republican pile of s**t!

#17 | Posted by danni at 2022-04-19 10:01 PM | Reply

question? Is Visiyor a paid Repub;ican troll?

Yes, of coyse he is ND ALWAYS Has been during his entire history of posying hrre

#18 | Posted by danni at 2022-04-19 10:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Declare war against one of your states largest tax sources and employers for political revenge is government overreach. The fire department, power plant and roads that Disney currently funds would then be paid for by Florida taxpayers. What ever happened to the Republican way of letting the free market decide? DeSantis is Trump with more stupid.
#2 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT AT 2022-04-19 08:36 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Nice try... They can always load up and go somewhere else. And haul all them animals and plants with them. maybe the infrastructure too... like the roads, power, structures etc.... leaving Florida would bankrupt Disney. Fugem

#19 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-04-19 10:20 PM | Reply

They can always go to Nebraska! LMAO

#20 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-04-19 10:22 PM | Reply

I just read the dissolving of the district involves the state paying out the 2 billion bond debt for development of the resort's

Hang on to your hat, Orange County taxpayers!

Haha

#21 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-04-19 10:26 PM | Reply

#19 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Awwww look the righty --------- are all for using government powers to target individuals and corporations that disagree with them.

It's the definition of fascist yet they deny they're fascists.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2022-04-19 10:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#14 POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2022-04-19 09:23 PM | REPLY | FLAGGED FUNNY BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Ignorant pantywaste ...

Details emerge on @GovRonDeSantis idea to repeal Disney's special district governing authority. To pay the Disney's $2 Billion in bond debt, Orange and Osceola county families would have to be assessed $2,200 tax bill says @FarmerForFLSen. "This is shoot first and ask questions later."

twitter.com

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-19 10:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Orange and Osceola county families would have to be assessed $2,200 tax bill"

Now that's what I call hurting the people who need to get hurt!

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-19 10:41 PM | Reply

So you all don't think that revocation of the special district wouldn't come with levying taxes on Disney to pay for their own infrastructure. Why would you think that?

#25 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-19 10:53 PM | Reply

Re. post 14, the facts almost verbatim as I presented them:

In the mid-1960s, the Walt Disney World Company proposed building a recreation-oriented development on 25,000 acres of property in Central Florida. The property sat in a remote area of Orange and Osceola County, so secluded that the nearest power and water lines were 10-15 miles away. Neither Orange nor Osceola County had the services or the resources needed to bring the project to life.

In 1967 the Florida State legislature, working with Walt Disney World Company, created a special taxing district - called the Reedy Creek Improvement District - that would act with the same authority and responsibility as a county government.

Walt Disney World could then move ahead with its vision to turn 38.5 square miles of largely uninhabited pasture and swamp land, into a global destination resort that welcomes millions of visitors every year.

The new legislation said that landowners within the Reedy Creek Improvement District, primarily Walt Disney World, would be solely responsible for paying the cost of providing typical municipal services like power, water, roads, fire protection etc.

Local taxpayers, meaning residents of Orange and Osceola County, would not have to pay for building or maintaining those services.

Reedy Creek Improvement District BY NUMBERS

*134 miles of roadways and 67 miles of waterways built and maintained
*250,000 daily guests
*6-8 minute response time for fire and EMS
*60,000 tons of waste managed
*30 tons of aluminum, paper, steel cans, cardboard and plastic containers recycled every year
*22,800 water samples collected by RCID scientists from 1,500 locations on the property for testing every year
*90,000 analyses conducted to make sure that water quality meets or exceeds state and national standards. Water draining from the south end of the District is generally cleaner than when it entered Reedy Creek at its north end.
*2,000 vendors, suppliers and contractors used to provide a high level of public services for visitors

www.rcid.org

Are you sure Florida's taxpayers want to pick up this tab Gov. DeSantis and fellow GOP legislators? But this is typical GOP governance - Cut a deal, then renege when your fe-fe's get hurt and leave taxpayers holding the bag.

#26 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-19 10:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

5 years from now Floridians will be complaining about state revenues being down and taxes going up.

#27 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-04-19 11:01 PM | Reply

Here we have a government being run like a business. Exactly what Republicans say they want.

And suddenly all the Republicans oppose it.
Why? Because the business didn't defend Don't Say Gay.

Republicans are literally hoping to punish the business for their beliefs.
Which is exactly what they cry is happening to them when Jan 6 insurrectionists get jail time for the coup attempt.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-19 11:02 PM | Reply

So you all don't think that revocation of the special district wouldn't come with levying taxes on Disney to pay for their own infrastructure.

Disney already paid for their infrastructure, why would they want to pay for it again? That was the whole point of the District in the first place - Disney paid for what state and local governments couldn't afford to do for the entire enterprise to get up and running. And Disney pays $566 million in taxes to Florida annually already. You really think they want to pony up even more and then depend upon Florida to provide anything close to the same level of service?

And you think a government run by this clown is capable of meeting Disney's and its clients' needs? That's laughable.

#29 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-19 11:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I imagine Disney will pay more and get less, just like the rest of us.

#30 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-19 11:05 PM | Reply

5 years from now Floridians will be complaining about state revenues being down and taxes going up.

While blaming Haitians and Puerto Ricans for causing it.

#31 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-19 11:05 PM | Reply

I imagine Disney will pay more and get less, just like the rest of us.
#30 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Rest of us?
Disney is in the top tier of the economy.
You're not.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-19 11:06 PM | Reply

I imagine Disney will pay more and get less, just like the rest of us.

#30 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Either Disney will raise their prices or their business will suffer. Either way less tourists and less revenue for Florida.

Congrats Republicans, you built that.

#33 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-04-19 11:08 PM | Reply

I imagine Disney will pay more and get less, just like the rest of us.

Why should they when how they've run things for 50+ years works efficiently as it is.

Republicans are going to eff around and find out how powerful Disney and its shareholders actually are.

DeSantis and the GOP already gave Disney another $570 million in tax breaks over 10 years this session already, but they really want to upset the main apple cart?

DeathSantis will not be a snide moniker if he pushes Disney too hard, it will be the new state of his political career.

#34 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-19 11:11 PM | Reply

DeSantis is obviously running for president in 2024 and taking down businesses that displease conservatives is going to be part of his schtick:

Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) threatens Twitter after it activated "poison pill" plan to prevent Elon Musk's acquisition:

"We're gonna be looking at ways the state of Florida potentially can be holding these Twitter board of directors accountable for breaching their fiduciary duty."

twitter.com

#35 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-04-19 11:25 PM | Reply

Rest of us?
Disney is in the top tier of the economy.
You're not.

#32 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-04-19 11:06 PM | REPLY

Snoofy loves corporations with tax breaks. TonyAroma loves race riots, he can't wait till the roaring 20's comeback in style.

#36 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-04-19 11:50 PM | Reply

19 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Awwww look the righty --------- are all for using government powers to target individuals and corporations that disagree with them.

It's the definition of fascist yet they deny they're fascists.

#22 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2022-04-19 10:36 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Individuals are corporations? Lmao. Tell us more fake doctor.

#37 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-04-19 11:53 PM | Reply

I want to thank the leftists here for twisting their principles into pretzels to protect my investment in Disney.

#38 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-20 12:15 AM | Reply

#38 No thoughts about DeSantis threatening your investments?
LOL

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 12:26 AM | Reply

#36 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

All you cucks have left is gaslighting and twisted fantasies.

WTF happened to you people?

#40 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-04-20 01:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Individuals are corporations? Lmao. Tell us more fake doctor.

#37 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Look up "and" -------.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2022-04-20 01:47 AM | Reply

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis called Tuesday for lawmakers to consider repealing Disney's special districts after Disney's CEO spoke out against a new law critics dub the "Don't Say Gay" law.

Good to see GQP embracing "cancel culture" only after Disney stopped cutting checks to DeathSentence.

#42 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-04-20 08:00 AM | Reply

For a property as large as Disney, it makes perfect sense for them to control and maintain all aspects of its property -from security, safety, sanitation and upkeep - without having to coordinate with local and state governments

#14 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2022-04-19 09:23 PM | FLAG:

I see you left off schools. Major corporation buys de-facto city to feed off of neighbor city, while firing locals to outsource them for foreign nationals, to contribute even less to the city that staffs it. Major corporation controls private police force with public police force powers.

When is the last time this setup existed? The Gilded Age?

#43 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-04-20 08:08 AM | Reply

I could be wrong, but none of the other parks in the area enjoy this benefit. They are numerous and Universal Studios alone was approaching 11 million annual attendees prior to Covid (and the rides are better than Disney's).

#44 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-04-20 08:11 AM | Reply

#44 - why would they?

Disney is 40 square miles, has multiple theme parks, green areas, massive hotels, villages, and and extremely exclusive and expensive housing development. They provide all the police, fire, and rescue services. They've built an enormous infrastructure and mile after mile of highway systems designed and linked into Florida's highway system.

There just isn't any comparison, nor would any other theme park in Florida want to take on all that responsibility. Not to mention Disney built this up from scratch when nothing existed in this area. Osceola and Orange county were citrus and cattle. There was an aircraft manufacturing plant that later became Lockheed, after Disney.

#45 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 09:17 AM | Reply

Oh, and the highest Universal Orlando reached was 4 million visitors in 2020.
Disney's parks dwarfed that number in 2020.
Not to mention Universal's only here because of Disney.
International drive wouldn't be here without Disney.

This is total insanity by DeSantis and the GOP.

#46 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 09:22 AM | Reply

#45

As Yav said, there wouldn't be any of the other parks and attractions if Disney hadn't spent untold millions of their own money creating the physical and economic environment that everything else sprung up from - including non-entertainment industries who moved into the area because it made the region more desirable to workers.

Normally, I'd likely be against giving a private (now public) company this much civic power, but Disney took a great risk when they started to turn farmland/groves into the entertainment destination we now recognize. And Sitz, for the most part Disney only gained law enforcement control over their visitors - which is mainly crowd control and health emergency response related - but not local citizens that had no other option but to live under their auspices. Now that Disney has created communities on their property too, anyone moving there knows what they are getting into.

In my opinion, this has been one of the most fruitful public/private partnerships in America, and now simply for spite, vindictive politicians and their party want to upend it because the corporation stood up for the marginalized people the GOPers want to intentionally hurt.

#47 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 09:36 AM | Reply

Right thing to do, wrong reasons.

Corporations should NEVER have governing authority. Giving Disney this in the first place was a massive mistake. Taking it away is a good thing.

It sucks that it's happening because the governor of Florida is a bigoted -------, but it still needs to be done.

#48 | Posted by DarkVader at 2022-04-20 09:39 AM | Reply

#44 - why would they?

#45 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2022-04-20 09:17 AM | REPLY

10.92 million in Orlando in 2019. 4.1 million 2020, because of Covid. It's 3 parks and 8 resorts. It's about 2 square miles, so 20x smaller than Disney while serving only a 5x smaller crowd. It's very efficient. Sorry, no ultra, ultra exclusive neighborhood for the 0.001%. Better rides though. Much better. Anyways, it's not 1955. The 50 million in 2019 that visited Disney did not get there with Disney infrastructure. Nothing you stated made a good argument for a private corporation with a defacto private police force having public police powers either.

"Disney is special and we owe them" isn't a reasonable argument.

#49 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-04-20 09:39 AM | Reply

Privately owned roads, police and fire services and other infrastructure. A libertarian paradise. The rest of the country should take their government functions private too. Let's start with the schools.

#50 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-20 09:48 AM | Reply

and with the argument, "They wouldn't be here if it weren't for Disney." It begs the obvious question. If you are an early cause of growth, when does your special treatment expire? Do you get it forever, because Disney? Put an expiration date on it at least ffs.

#51 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-04-20 09:54 AM | Reply

Magic Kingdom, Animal Kingdom, Hollywood Studios, and Epcot - that's 4 parks.
Resorts?
Pop Century, Caribbean Beach, Animal Kingdom Lodge, Saratoga Springs, Port Orleans, Port Orleans Frnche Quarter, All-Star Music, All-Star Movies, All-Star Sports, Coronado Springs, Polynesian, Grand Floridian (NICE!), Wilderness Lodge (I used to go out and just hang out here and grab an awesome meal at Artist's Point), Beach Club, Contemporary (one of my favs, had the most romantic dinner ever here), Yacht Club, BoardWalk Inn, Old Key West, Polynesian Villas and Bungalows, The Bay Lake Tower, the Villas at: Grand Floridians, Animal Kingdom (Kidani Village and Jambo House), BoardWalk, Beach Club,, Ft. Wilderness Cabins, the campsites at Fort Wilderness, The Dolphin, the Swan,

seriously it goes on and on.

Nice try on moving the goalposts, too. Not really. The infrastructure wouldn't be there for Universal if it wasn't for Disney. There'd be no OIA like it is today. It would not be.

Try all you want but reality is what it is, and it doesn't care what you think.

#52 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 09:55 AM | Reply

While Disney has its own security forces, they really don't have a full-fledged police force like many seem to think.

At one time they did have some Disney employees who were authorized (and possibly deputized by the local sheriff's office) to enforce traffic violations, mostly speeding and running stop signs, in the municipalities, but after a small number of injuries during pursuits, this was mostly discontinued. Whether this policy could be reinstituted is a little bit up in the air. Actual law enforcement on the property is now conducted by the Orange County Sheriff's Department under contract by the municipalities, even in the portion of the property that is not in Orange County.

Penalties for violating park rules can include a Notice of Exclusion, meaning that you are on notice that you are not wanted on the property and any entry may be considered a criminal trespass. These are usually reserved for offenses that are either repeated or endangered the safety of the recipient, employees, or other guests.

If you go to the
Reedy Creek website their is ZERO about law enforcement, but detailed entries about their fire departments.

#53 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 09:59 AM | Reply

If DeSantis came out against private prisons, suddenly the leftists here would be in favor of them.

#54 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-20 10:11 AM | Reply

"They wouldn't be here if it weren't for Disney." It begs the obvious question. If you are an early cause of growth, when does your special treatment expire? Do you get it forever, because Disney? Put an expiration date on it at least ffs.

Why? Disney directly contributes $566 million in taxes to Florida every year. Why should they give up the legal autonomy which they're contracted to have? Are they abusing the public trust in the way they run their business? Are they breaking any laws or not being held accountable to standards other companies are?

Reedy Creek Improvement District BY NUMBERS

*134 miles of roadways and 67 miles of waterways built and maintained
*250,000 daily guests
*6-8 minute response time for fire and EMS
*60,000 tons of waste managed
*30 tons of aluminum, paper, steel cans, cardboard and plastic containers recycled every year
*22,800 water samples collected by RCID scientists from 1,500 locations on the property for testing every year
*90,000 analyses conducted to make sure that water quality meets or exceeds state and national standards. Water draining from the south end of the District is generally cleaner than when it entered Reedy Creek at its north end.
*2,000 vendors, suppliers and contractors used to provide a high level of public services for visitors

www.rcid.org

Does anyone with a brain really believe that the REPUBLICAN controlled Florida governments are capable of maintaining and running Disney's infrastructure as efficiently (and without direct costs to taxpayers) as Disney has done for almost 60 years? GTFOH.

#55 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 10:13 AM | Reply

If DeSantis came out against private prisons, suddenly the leftists here would be in favor of them.

More confirmation that your mind is incapable of processing thoughts beyond two simple metrics.

My position has nothing to do with DeSantis per see, it has to do with both my historical understanding of why Disney has their district - and why it was needed - along with an objective cost/benefits analysis of its effects vis-a-vis taxpayers, outside businesses, and the millions now living in and paying taxes in the Odo metro area because Disney exists.

No one can point to a tangible reason that Disney should be stripped of its district today by showing empirically that doing so will make things better for the people of Florida fiscally or governmentally. People just don't like the idea that Disney has control over the infrastructure they built, created, paid for, and maintain without any direct funding from Florida taxpayers. Why is that?

#56 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 10:22 AM | Reply

Understood but I don't like this because it looks retaliatory.

#8 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Looks?

It is. It's ok to stick to your principles, jeff.

#57 | Posted by jpw at 2022-04-20 10:24 AM | Reply

Given the success of Disney why let government have a monopoly on services everywhere else? Let Disney or some other corporation provide them for everyone. Let's privatize mail delivery too.

#58 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-20 10:26 AM | Reply

#58 - you really aren't very up on the U.S. Constitution, are ya? That lack of basic understand permeates every post of yours on this thread.

#59 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 10:29 AM | Reply

You didn't build that. But Disney did? We need a new word for the onion layers of hypocrisy the left is displaying here.

#60 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-20 10:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Again, your lack of understanding even the basics of the U.S. Constitution are on full display here. There is no hypocrisy.
You are a victim of your assumptions and things you've chosen to believe about others without any desire to actually understand.

#61 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 10:32 AM | Reply

If Disney gets to opt out of the collect because they believe they can provide better quality services at a lower cost to themselves, then we all should have that right.

#62 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-20 10:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#58

Again, a simpleton's exaggerated response to a unique situation.

First and foremost, you ignore how and why Disney built the infrastructure that the did which at that time did not include providing normal public services to outside residents unrelated to Disney itself. And most importantly, Disney started from scratch, but they only built what they did to support their business venture to generate profits from it, not because they thought that owning and providing governmental services was itself a profitable venture.

Where is there an analogous situation where a private company wants to build and maintain communities by sinking billions into physical infrastructure that won't turn a profit for decades if ever?

And for the record, do you like your cable tv service provider? That's exactly how cable tv was built out by giving one private company exclusive rights to territory. How's that model working today with our internet based world?

Public services are called public services for a reason.

#63 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 10:38 AM | Reply

collect = collective

#64 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-20 10:38 AM | Reply

At what point are you going to argue that Disney should be it's own state or country?

#65 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-20 10:40 AM | Reply

You didn't build that. But Disney did?

On their own property which they paid for.

Do private companies own the ground under our cities and towns?

#66 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 10:42 AM | Reply

This is no different than when a builder builds a new subdivision.

#67 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-20 10:48 AM | Reply

At what point are you going to argue that Disney should be it's own state or country?

Never. This just confirms how malinformed you are.

Disney created the physical necessities which allowed their business to grow with their corporate vision. They do not run a government to the degree most municipalities do, but they have the autonomy to control the growth and necessary functioning of what we erstwhile call 'public services' within the property that they own.

#68 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 10:50 AM | Reply

You didn't build that. But Disney did?

Disney entered in to one hell of an agreement with Florida. Without that Disney wouldn't have invested and built what they did. Disney did that from the money it earned for decades of work, all done by people educated by the public school systems. Walt Disney himself went to public schools.

You really don't understand the meaning of the phrase you're trying to ridicule, do you?

#69 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 10:52 AM | Reply

This is no different than when a builder builds a new subdivision.

Only if the builder also funds and builds the community a power plant, sanitation services including a sewage removal system and their own fire department and security force completely independent to any related services funded by taxpayers.

#70 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 10:55 AM | Reply

This is just another instance of the usual know-it-all's desperately trying to paint this as a good thing and a success for the people of Florida, before it becomes obvious it isn't.

Remember laffer and Kansas
Or democracy building in the ME
Or how trump was going to denuclearized NK

Same ----, different day

#71 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-04-20 11:08 AM | Reply

Would you support other organizations opting out of the collective and using their own resources for their private benefit as they see fit?

#72 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-20 11:12 AM | Reply

Would you support other organizations opting out of the collective and using their own resources for their private benefit as they see fit?

That isn't what happened. Disney didn't "opt-out" of anything, they built and paid for their own systems from scratch within the boundaries of their own property without using any taxpayer money or existent infrastructure.

For that, Disney was able to control the growth on their land without the need to go through elected bureaucrats or local government vis-a-vis zoning, but they still adhere to or exceed other public safety standards and health regulations.

And in Disney's case, the "public" is their business, so their services indeed serve the public's interests when visiting the Disney property.

#73 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 11:24 AM | Reply

You're going to need a chiropractor before you're done.

#74 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-20 11:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#74 - Tony's making total sense. You just are 100% clueless. This is just pathetic to read.

#75 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 11:33 AM | Reply

Closely describes the subdivision I used to live in. It was way out past the edge of the city. Builder built a lake, roads, well for water, sewers and paid to have the power lines extended. We had no city trash or snow removal or fire protection he contracted for all those services and he charged us a fee (fire was volunteer). County Sheriff provided the policing. City eventually grew out and annexed us. Which we fought because we provided better services for our selves than we knew the city could.

No man's an island and Disney isn't either.

#76 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-20 11:39 AM | Reply

Florida didn't just benefit from Disney. Disney benefits greatly from what Florida has to offer it as a state. It's able to operate year round. Parks like 6 Flags and Cedar Pointe operate seasonally.

#77 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-04-20 11:47 AM | Reply

Florida didn't create their climate.
That's why Florida got picked by Disney.
What that has to do with DeSantis is a bit mysterious to me.

The deflections are seriously strange. I can only assume that no one in their right mind actually agrees with DeSantis, or that if they do, they (like Gracie) are vindictive ----- that are so spun up over the nonsense of CRT and being "woke" that they can't admit this act of his is purely retaliatory; the act of a government against a private business for daring to speak out on behalf of its employees - all Florida residents.

#78 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 11:53 AM | Reply

Florida didn't just benefit from Disney. Disney benefits greatly from what Florida has to offer it as a state. It's able to operate year round. Parks like 6 Flags and Cedar Pointe operate seasonally.

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2022-04-20 11:47 AM | REPLY

Covering for Desantis childish behavior I see. Quite typical if you ask me.

#79 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-04-20 11:57 AM | Reply

@#77 ... Disney benefits greatly from what Florida has to offer it as a state. It's able to operate year round. ...

Florida, as a state, does not offer that ability, Mother Nature does.

Florida, as a state, benefits, as does Disney, from what Mother Nature offers.

If Florida, as a state, actually offered it, then Florida, as a state, could stop offering it.

Has Gov DeSantis claimed he can control the weather?


#80 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-04-20 12:05 PM | Reply

It is beyond bizarre that Republicans spend 24 hours a day complaining about "cancel culture" and "censorship" by the left, yet it is they who consistently target specific people and entities with threats and punitive legislation for daring to cross them. This constant stream of projection and "rounding up" benign acts by others to the very real censorship coming from the right is too consistent to be a mistake - it is real live propaganda wave cresting right in front of our eyes.

#81 | Posted by JOE at 2022-04-20 12:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I wonder how much money Florida would lose if Disney world wasn't there?? I bet a whole lot.

#82 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-04-20 12:18 PM | Reply

GOP - "Generating Only Projections"

#83 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 12:21 PM | Reply

By this logic, let's turn over the chunks of Cali to Disney. Parks there already and they are such great stewards of land. It's all benefit.

#84 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-04-20 12:23 PM | Reply

" #81 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2022-04-20 12:06 PM | FLAG: "

Surely you understand that a corporate behemoth like Disney can weather a light storm of a GOP governor threatening to take away a special carve out that it's competitors don't have and major institutions doxxing an anonymous woman for the thought crime of reposting videos on Tik Tok that have already been publicly posted.

If you don't see the difference than you have zero clue as to what cancel culture is really about.

#85 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-04-20 12:25 PM | Reply

#64 - no one's said anything like what you're inferring. There's a distinct chronology in all this.

#86 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 12:27 PM | Reply

#78 Yav

The comment you responded to had nothing to do with Desantis.

The discussion on this thread has been fairly interesting. I was trying to add a little context with that post to the broader discussion. It wasn't a political post.

#87 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-04-20 12:28 PM | Reply

Disney deserves this. In 2020 they gave over $900,000 to the GQP of FL and only $300,000 to the Democratic FL party. They laid the ground work by supporting the GQP.

#88 | Posted by Enlightened at 2022-04-20 12:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A comeuppance that's ironic? Can't argue that.

But given our Constitution and SCOTUS rullings for decades, this is against the rule of law and is an act of government overreach that reeks of fascism.

That's way more important to me.

#89 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 12:32 PM | Reply

The comment you responded to had nothing to do with Desantis.

You wouldn't be making any comment on this thread if it weren't for DeSantis and his repulsive actions and those of the GOP in Florida.

#90 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 12:34 PM | Reply

@#84 ... By this logic, let's turn over the chunks of Cali to Disney. ...

I don't think there is an analogy there.

Florida was basically a wasteland before Disney brought massive tourism to the state.

California was a thriving state when Disney decided to open an operations there.

Florida needed Disney more than Disney needed Florida, so Florida gave Disney major concessions.


Concessions that the GOP is now wanting to renege upon because the Disney corporation had the unmitigated nerve to express an opinion that disagrees with Gov Desantis.


#91 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-04-20 12:34 PM | Reply

#90. I offered clarification for that post. Either accept it or just flat out call me a liar. Don't tip toe around.

#92 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-04-20 12:36 PM | Reply

Irrelevant clarification noted.

#93 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 12:37 PM | Reply

Donate to fascists, experience fascism.

Other corporations take note.

#94 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-20 12:40 PM | Reply

85 Nobody said this would bankrupt Disney. The point is they and many others guilty of thoughtcrime are being targeted by Republican legislators (who also like banning books) who then go out and accuse the left of censorship. Figures that you'd fail to address this point in any way. Just stop responding to me you troll.

#95 | Posted by JOE at 2022-04-20 12:43 PM | Reply

#95. You made a stupid argument, Joe. Instead of lashing out just accept the L and move on. It's not a big deal.

#96 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-04-20 12:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The argument stands; you've refuted none of it yet are embarrassingly claiming victory. Seek help; there's something genuinely wrong with you.

#97 | Posted by JOE at 2022-04-20 12:48 PM | Reply

#93. Irrelevant? I guess. Those defending Disney the hardest are acting like the relationship between Disney and Florida has been completely one-sided when it's been far more simbiotic than that.

#98 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-04-20 12:48 PM | Reply

#97. You are equating possibly eliminating a special corporate carve out with cancel culture. It's a terrible comparison. Snoofy-level.

#99 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-04-20 12:50 PM | Reply

Joe's point is spot on. Deal with it Jeff or not. Your choice.

#100 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-04-20 12:50 PM | Reply

You are equating possibly eliminating a special corporate carve out with cancel culture

That's what it is. I'm sorry you prefer to narrow the definition of "cancel culture" to only include the fake and anecdotal stories you find swirling in your disinformation bubble, but most normal people think targeting people and entities with punitive legislation simply because of their political beliefs is censorship and is wrong.

#101 | Posted by JOE at 2022-04-20 12:59 PM | Reply

" most normal people think targeting people and entities with punitive legislation simply because of their political beliefs is censorship and is wrong.

#101 | POSTED BY JOE"

On that I agree. Although I don't call eliminating a special carve out as punitive, the reason it's being done is, well, punitive.

In the context of this discussion degree matters bigly. Entities like Disney and people like Chapelle and Rowling are completely insulated from being cancelled. An anonymous Twitter account can be destroyed by powerful people and institutions. Sometimes all it takes is a woke mob.

#102 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-04-20 01:07 PM | Reply

It's anti-American.
It's anti-Constitutional.
Remember when the Republicans were ecstatic over "Citizen's United"?
This is far more obvious a violation of the First Amendment than that ever was.
What happened?

Oh. Right.

#103 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 01:07 PM | Reply

"A woke mob"

Or in this case, a comatose one.

#104 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 01:09 PM | Reply

Forgot -

{drink}

#105 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 01:09 PM | Reply

Yav,

You lost me. How is this a 1st Amendment violation?

#106 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-04-20 01:10 PM | Reply

Florida was basically a wasteland before Disney brought massive tourism to the state.
California was a thriving state when Disney decided to open an operations there.
Florida needed Disney more than Disney needed Florida, so Florida gave Disney major concessions.

#91 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2022-04-20 12:34 PM | FLAG:

It was sarcasm, because the whole argument for Disney being its own local government is a relic of the 50s at best. It's 2022, Florida thrives, and Disney does not need Forever Concessions.

#107 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-04-20 01:13 PM | Reply

For Tony, it's never. Concessions never, ever expire. Disney gets permanent control of a police force, because they have a fast reaction time.

This thread delivers. All it took to turn Democrats into Libertarians was DeSantis.

#108 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-04-20 01:14 PM | Reply

You lost me. How is this a 1st Amendment violation?

#7 - What happened to "free speech has consequences"? (the idiot that is about as clueless as they come)

#8: - #7. Understood but I don't like this because it looks retaliatory. (you - who couldn't even deal with the level of stupid from #7)

#78: - The deflections are seriously strange. I can only assume that no one in their right mind actually agrees with DeSantis, or that if they do, they (like Gracie) are vindictive ----- that are so spun up over the nonsense of CRT and being "woke" that they can't admit this act of his is purely retaliatory; the act of a government against a private business for daring to speak out on behalf of its employees - all Florida residents. (me)

Why would you think this is not a First Amendment violation? It is so blatantly obvious it is. I genuinely have no idea how anyone could think otherwise.

#109 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 01:16 PM | Reply

As feels like some in here don't understand how gated communities work. That's what Disney has set itself up as. That 143 miles of roads isn't public access. It's entirely private. If Reedy Creek disappears, Disney is still liable for it unless it converts into an actual public space like a suburb you can just show up and drive around in lawfully.

#110 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-04-20 01:16 PM | Reply

This thread delivers. All it took to turn Democrats into Libertarians was DeSantis.

That's an incredibly facile reading of what's been said.

#111 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 01:19 PM | Reply

That's an incredibly facile reading of what's been said.

#111 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2022-04-20 01:19 PM | FLAG:

Normally it's very, very difficult to get Democrats to support private police, fire, and EMS services, no permit defacto private control of roads, etc. It way out there on the Libertarian spectrum.

#112 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-04-20 01:23 PM | Reply

@#107 ... It was sarcasm ...

I [obviously] missed that aspect of it. :)

 
... the whole argument for Disney being its own local government is a relic of the 50s at best. ...

More the current conditions of Florida in the 1950's than the time period of the 1950's itself.

Whether or not those concessions are still needed, or worthwhile, now is an entirely different discussion, separate and distinct from Gov DeSantis trying to use those concessions as leverage to hurt a corporation that had the audacity to disagree with him.



#113 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-04-20 01:23 PM | Reply

#113 - Ding! Ding! Ding!

You don't pretend this is an honest debate when the State of Florida is holding a gun on you saying "you're going to support our partisan agenda or else."

You don't pretend that because you stand up against such blatant coercion then you must be for everything that Disney's has done in the past or present.

#114 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 01:27 PM | Reply

This whole thing cracks me up. At some point it is the mega-corporation Disney that is going to pwn DeSantis and not the other way around. It is hard to see how the State of Florida comes out on top. Put another way, Florida needs the money and the jobs provided by Disney as much if not more than Disney needs Florida.

#115 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-04-20 01:29 PM | Reply

Republicans, Independents, and Libertarians have no thoughts on this issue beyond triangulating the Democrats.

They've yet to comment on the actual issue, including the reason for the Governor's threat, which is:

Don't Say Gay.

They're doing a great job of not saying it!

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 01:32 PM | Reply

I addressed that early. Bad reason to do a good thing. Didn't expect so many Pro-Subsidy people and for several it feels like, particularly Tony, they are only going with the "They are so efficient they should have Forever Concessions" argument because of DeSantis/Republicans. DeSantis is a broken clock, but it's that time of day and Reedy Creek should have disappeared a long time ago. Efficient police times lol. I would hope so, it's not like they're Serving and Protecting Orange or Osceola Counties. How do they even get any sympathy when treating their employees the way Walmart treats theirs? Answer: DeSantis.

#117 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-04-20 01:33 PM | Reply

" this act of his is purely retaliatory; the act of a government against a private business for daring to speak out on behalf of its employees - all Florida residents. (me)"

At the moment it's just bluster. A threat to be sure, and that is chilling. However no real action has been initiated.

#118 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-04-20 01:33 PM | Reply

"I addressed that early."

You're not pretending to be a Democrat any more, Sitzkrieg?

What happened, was it gas prices?

#119 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 01:35 PM | Reply

"Didn't expect so many Pro-Subsidy people and for several it feels like, particularly Tony, they are only going with the "They are so efficient they should have Forever Concessions"

It's whole lot simpler than that:

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 01:36 PM | Reply

" You don't pretend this is an honest debate when the State of Florida is holding a gun on you saying "you're going to support our partisan agenda or else.""

That seems disingenuous. Is that what happened? Did Disney stay on the sidelines until DeSantis ordered them to publicly support their agenda or else'?

Can we keep it real?

#121 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-04-20 01:37 PM | Reply

"How do they even get any sympathy when treating their employees the way Walmart treats theirs? Answer: DeSantis."

I do see what you are saying.

But it's not like this even comes close to addressing Disney's labor practices or "fight for 15."

Thus, your comment falls into the "triangulating the democrats" category.

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 01:40 PM | Reply

#119 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-04-20 01:35 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

That wasn't to you. You posted in between a reply.

but to your post, of course, it's so obvious, we Democrats are the real victims here. Lets never debate the merits of Reedy Creek Improvement District, where homes start at $2 million but nobody has an actual primary residence in Golden Oaks lol. Disney is super efficient so it's cool, plus they made Florida cool in 1955. ^^

#123 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-04-20 01:41 PM | Reply

Do you need an affirming debate of how much DeSantis sucks? I mean, it's not much of a debate. It's just a bunch of affirming...

#124 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-04-20 01:42 PM | Reply

"Did Disney stay on the sidelines until DeSantis ordered them to publicly support their agenda or else'?"

Are you blind?
Serious question by the way.

From the summary:

1. @Disney donated 300K to the politicians behind Florida's "Don't Say Gay" bill and then remained publicly silent until the bill passed the Senate and House

Now national and Florida Republicans are trying to rewrite history

#125 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 01:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When you try and educate the ignorant, they spit in your face and continue to offer up non-sequiturs not analogous to the facts of what's being discussed. First and foremost, Disney did not receive any "carveout." There are almost 2000 different "special districts" in Florida, all given that designation through the legislative process or executive decree.

Florida defines a special district as "a unit of local government created for a special purpose, as opposed to a general-purpose, which has jurisdiction to operate within a limited geographic boundary and is created by general law, special act, local ordinance, or by rule of the Governor and Cabinet."

Florida has 1,844 special districts statewide, according to the Department of Economic Opportunity.

Some notable special districts in Central Florida include:

*Village Center Community Development District, governing The Villages
*The Central Florida Expressway Authority
*Greater Orlando Aviation Authority, which governs Orlando International Airport
*Daytona Beach Racing and Recreational Facilities District

The Reedy Creek district is run by a "Board of Supervisors," according to its charter, which is elected by the landowners who operate within the district - of which there are 19, though Disney is the largest.

RDIC is responsible for the land use and environmental protections for the 25,000 acres, which includes drainage, water and flood control and erosion control.

The district must also provide all essential services such as fire protection, emergency medical services, potable water production, treatment, storage, pumping & distribution, reclaimed water distribution, chilled and hot water systems, wastewater services, drainage and flood control, electric power generation and distribution, and solid waste and recyclables collection and disposal, according to its website.

RDIC must also maintain all public roadways and bridges and infrastructure within the district - of which there are 134 lane miles of roadway, 67 miles of waterway, the cities of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, an environmental science laboratory where the continuity of water quality is monitored, an electric power-generating and distribution facility, a natural gas distribution system, water and wastewater collection and treatment facilities, a solid waste and recyclables collection and transfer system, its website reads.

RDIC's website boasts that it also encompasses four theme parks, two water parks, a sports complex, more than 40,000 hotel rooms and hundreds of restaurants and shops.

The bill targeting Reedy Creek also would eliminate 5 other special districts.

Can anyone point out an objective criticism as to why Disney deserves to lose their status while 1838 will keep theirs? How is this good policy for Florida taxpayers?

#126 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 01:46 PM | Reply

"The Reedy Creek district is run by a "Board of Supervisors," according to its charter, which is elected by the landowners"

^
How can Republicans not support that?
It's just like the Good Old Days when only landowners got the vote, before we opened things up to the riff-raff...

#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 01:53 PM | Reply

-Do you need an affirming debate of how much DeSantis sucks?

Actually that is the entire reason for this thread.

To do exactly that. DeSantis scares the ---- out of the left. That's why a worthless proclamation calling on lawmakers in Florida to ---- on Disney is being debated here

Not because it's going anywhere. How many members of the Florida legislature are willing to take a huge ---- on Disney over this issue?

I can only imagine what some messages DeSantis is receiving from republicans in the legislature look like right now.

"Are you out of your ------- mind!!! We just got the law we wanted...and Disney helped pay for it. Let Disney have their soapbox to manage their PR issues. In the meantime....STFU, governor"

-signed most elected republicans in Florida.

#128 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 01:54 PM | Reply

"-signed most elected republicans in Florida."

Sounds like DeSantis scares the ---- out of the right too...

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 01:56 PM | Reply

"Not because it's going anywhere. How many members of the Florida legislature are willing to take a huge ---- on Disney over this issue?"

Via the Transitive Property, all who voted for Don't Say Gay must view Disney as a haven for pedophiles and groomers, so...

#130 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 01:59 PM | Reply

Still no mention or outrage from the usuals regarding the the other 1,800 instances of a special districts in Florida

Must be because of principle, you know, because no one is an island or whatever's

#131 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-04-20 01:59 PM | Reply

To do exactly that. DeSantis scares the ---- out of the left.
#128 | Posted by eberly

The possibility of a man who endangers public health for personal political gain becoming president doesn't scare you?

We already tried that once. Now america has a half million less people in it.

How many people do you think the NEXT republican president can get killed?

#132 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-20 02:02 PM | Reply

More relevant discussion on Disney being stripped of their SD status:

First of all, Disney doesn't get any breaks here. It's not like they don't pay property taxes. They do pay tremendous property taxes in Orange and Osceola, but they pay for their own fire protection, they contract with the sheriff's department and pay for protection from the sheriff's department, they are responsible for their own infrastructure, everything. So they are paying property taxes, but they're also paying millions and millions of dollars for upkeep to what would usually be done by the county, so it could be that the taxpayers of Orange and Osceola counties are gonna get a tax increase because of the Reedy Creek District going away. It could hurt the counties, definitely. And I don't think (the counties) want responsibility for what's 27 square miles of additional territory.

Q: Is there any legal challenge that can be launched?

A: Sure. I'm sure that Disney has its lawyers already prepared to go into court should this pass to challenge it. Remember, this was a law passed by the state, which gave them these rights, and Disney agreed to come here because of that. It will interesting to see if the courts get involved and how they rule.

Q: Is it fair for Disney to have a special district when other parks do not?

A: Would you rather have had Disney not come and go somewhere else or would you rather have Disney to come here in 1967? They were not going to start construction unless they had these concessions. That was the deal that Roy Disney, Walt's brother, struck with the Legislature.

www.clickorlando.com

Again, how does removing Disney's SD status help the taxpayers of Florida when doing so will shift millions in reoccurring costs onto the local governments of Orange and Osceola counties?

#133 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-The possibility of a man who endangers public health for personal political gain becoming president doesn't scare you?

not today.

Sorry....I know it's most days you're afraid and you expect me to be afraid with you.

Sorry....ain't happening, sporto.

Now get back under the bed and let the adults discuss real issues.

-How many people do you think the NEXT republican president can get killed?

Exactly...get back under the bed. It's all way too scary for you.

Now, back to reality.....Disney is pandering to it's more liberal customer base. DeSantis is pandering tp the hard righties who strongly supported this bill.

Nobody but nobody is serious about repealing a damn thing.

And let's get back to what started this whole thing......a bill that bans something that's not happening anyway? Teaching 1st graders about homosexuality is happening with such frequency that it needed to be banned?

Is anybody in Florida NOT a thin skinned ------?

#134 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 02:12 PM | Reply

133

Which is why this won't go anywhere.

#135 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 02:14 PM | Reply

"And let's get back to what started this whole thing......a bill that bans something that's not happening anyway"

^
You conveniently left out the parts where parents are authorized to sue the school district if they feel their child received inappropriate instruction.

Wanna place a bet on such a lawsuit happening?

#136 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 02:16 PM | Reply

Eberly, you really think Florida will tolerate this hotbed of pedophiles and groomers?

#137 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 02:17 PM | Reply

Disney is pandering to it's more liberal customer base.

No, Disney responded to their own employees who were upset because the legislation would negatively affect their children and families and demanded that Disney do the right thing, which they then did.

Being concerned for how marginalized individuals are treated and targeted should not be a left/right issue. It's a right/wrong issue. The GOP intentionally tries to frame everything they're against as being left/right. The actual world doesn't work that way all the time.

#138 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 02:19 PM | Reply

You made a stupid argument, Joe. Instead of lashing out just accept the L and move on. It's not a big deal.

#96 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

LOL gotta love the self-declared victory.

#139 | Posted by jpw at 2022-04-20 02:19 PM | Reply

how does removing Disney's SD status help the taxpayers of Florida when doing so will shift millions in reoccurring costs onto the local governments of Orange and Osceola counties?
#133 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Tony.

You know as well as I do. Republicans are eager to cut off their nose to spite their face.

They're not looking at the future. They're chanting in unison with their cult.

Consequences be damned.

#140 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-04-20 02:23 PM | Reply

At the moment it's just bluster. A threat to be sure, and that is chilling. However no real action has been initiated.

#118 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Right. Like we don't know how this is gonna go down.

DeSantis follows through and Jeffy changes his argument to "well, it's only once and it's only fair to all the other corps in FL" blah blah blah.

#141 | Posted by jpw at 2022-04-20 02:24 PM | Reply

DeSantis scares the ---- out of the left.

He should scare the ---- out of anyone who wants to hand of any semblance of the US until 2016 to their children or grandchildren.

#142 | Posted by jpw at 2022-04-20 02:28 PM | Reply

"At the moment it's just bluster. A threat to be sure, and that is chilling. However no real action has been initiated."

^
You sound exactly like EffetePoser, as Russia was massing troops on the Ukranian border for months.

#143 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 02:32 PM | Reply

Tony - I know what HUGE special district that never should have happened; Ave Maria:

Created by Special Act of the Florida Legislature, the Ave Maria Stewardship Community District, pursuant to and under Florida Statutes Chapter 189 Special Purpose Local Government Act, the District became law when executed by the Governor on June 17, 2004.Apr 7, 2022

A roman catholic community that just also happens to be the most sprayed with pesticides area in Florida. Oh wait, it's not just for catholics... www.nbcnews.com LMAO!

#144 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 02:33 PM | Reply

Eberly - tell us all again how republicans only use abortion to get votes and would never, ever actually make it illegal. I love that story!

#145 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 02:36 PM | Reply

-No, Disney responded to their own employees who were upset because the legislation would negatively affect their children and families and demanded that Disney do the right thing, which they then did.

I agree that the employees were part of their decision. I said customers but I should have said "stakeholder" to better reflect everyone Disney is concerned about.

But I think you're offering a narrative of what happened in a way you wished it happened.

And who are the "marginalized individuals" you're referencing?

seriously....I thought this law prohibited K-3 teachers from teaching certain things related to sexuality....correct?

#146 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 02:36 PM | Reply

Eberly - tell us all again how republicans only use abortion to get votes and would never, ever actually make it illegal. I love that story!
#145 | POSTED BY YAV

^
Use of White Phosphorus on a civilian target is a violation of the Geneva Convention.

#147 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 02:38 PM | Reply

-He should scare the ---- out of anyone who wants to hand of any semblance of the US until 2016 to their children or grandchildren.

Not sure I understand what you wrote there but what concerns me about DeSantis is everything he's doing appears to be a precursor to running for president. Not governing Florida.

#148 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 02:38 PM | Reply

-The possibility of a man who endangers public health for personal political gain becoming president doesn't scare you?

not today.

Sorry....I know it's most days you're afraid and you expect me to be afraid with you.

Sorry....ain't happening, sporto.

Now get back under the bed and let the adults discuss real issues.

#134 | Posted by eberly

Adults worry about problems before they arrive and avoid them.

Morons get ignore problems until they're unavoidable and have drastic consequences

ie - trump
ie - covid
ie - climate change

#149 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-20 02:40 PM | Reply

I thought this law prohibited K-3 teachers from teaching certain things related to sexuality....correct?

I've stayed out of these discussions, and I'm not starting now. But I will answer this way: No, the legislation is far more sweeping and pervasive than your explanation, and it will very heavily negatively impact particularly those in the LBGQT community while potentially bankrupting teachers who'll be open to lawsuits from parents for simply doing their jobs.

#150 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 02:41 PM | Reply

An interesting twist...

DeSantis's Rush to Battle Disney Puts $1 Billion of Muni Debt in Question
www.yahoo.com

...Florida Governor Ron DeSantis's move to escalate a dispute with Walt Disney Co. by terminating its iconic theme park's special privileges leaves $1 billion in municipal debt hanging in the balance. Even the bill's Senate sponsor said it's too soon to say exactly who would pay back the debt....

Bills were quickly introduced in both chambers on Tuesday that could terminate all special districts that were enacted in Florida prior to 1968, including the Reedy Creek Improvement District where the company's Walt Disney World resort is based. The measure was approved by the Senate on Wednesday, and it will now move to the House before being sent to DeSantis for his signature.

The surprise announcement could have major consequences for Disney, which has had to maneuver a heated dispute with DeSantis after the company criticized a law that limits school instruction about gender identity and sexual orientation. The Reedy Creek Improvement District has about $1 billion of municipal bonds currently outstanding, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

"As a bondholder, we worry about who is going to pay us back," said Evgenia Lando, a portfolio manager for Thornburg Investment Management, who holds the Reedy Creek bonds. She said she's not concerned about the debt defaulting because Florida statute says that the obligations would be transferred to other local governments. "It's definitely headlines and noise; it's nothing you want attached to an entity."

Under current Florida statutes, the debts and assets of a special district that is dissolved are passed to the municipal government that takes over.

Some Democratic Senators wondered if the move could ultimately transfer debt incurred by Disney to the small cities of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, in addition to the governments of Orange and Osceola counties. Bay Lake had a population of just 29, according to the 2020 census, while Lake Buena Vista was home to 24....




#151 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-04-20 02:42 PM | Reply

what concerns me about DeSantis is everything he's doing appears to be a precursor to running for president. Not governing Florida.
#148 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You don't say!

#152 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 02:43 PM | Reply

#146 - there are two "or" statement after the 3rd grade nonsense. The 3rd grade nonsense is in there to fire up people and shut down any further discussion about what the next two "or" statements do - which is prohibit discussion of sex and gender that isn't "age appropriate" with no guidance on what the means, or that isn't in alignment with Florida Standards, which state that nothing is required to be taught, and that anything taught has no requirement to be medically accurate. It also says that if you teach sex ed in a health class then you must teach abstinence, and heterosexual marriage. It goes far further in allowing lawsuits of even teachers creating an atmosphere of fear and intimidation.

Can you imagine what this does to kids that are gay or sorting things out about just who they are?

#153 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 02:45 PM | Reply

#151 - That is CHOICE! LMAO! G-d d-mn the GOP is filled with morons!

#154 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 02:46 PM | Reply

145

While I've asserted over the years that abortion has been used as a political distraction so politicians (especially republicans) can otherwise be horrible horrible stewards of public trust without accountability, my claims as to "they would never make abortion illegal" in the way they have passed such laws in Texas (not sure about other states)????

I'm not sure I ever said no state would ever pass a law restricting abortion........rather, my comments were specifically about Federal Law.

But I accept your point.

But not sure where it's relevant here.

#155 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 02:47 PM | Reply

"Under current Florida statutes, the debts and assets of a special district that is dissolved are passed to the municipal government that takes over."

Which gives DeSantis a killer opportunity to hurt the people who need to be hurt.

#156 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 02:48 PM | Reply

fwiw...

List of Florida's Special Districts, along with links to their websites...

Official List of Special Districts, Special District Official Website Links
specialdistrictreports.floridajobs.org


#157 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-04-20 02:48 PM | Reply

-while potentially bankrupting teachers who'll be open to lawsuits from parents for simply doing their jobs.

IMO, that enforcement provision is the poison pill that will make more likely (if not guaranteed) that the courts will toss this law once it's challenged at that level.

#158 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 02:50 PM | Reply

Can you imagine what this does to kids that are gay or sorting things out about just who they are?

speaking completely honestly.....no, I can't imagine that.

This is coming from a hetrosexual.

I'm asking this purely from an position of ignorance of how a gay 2nd grader feels or understands.

And understand.....I don't support this law at all. I see it as a restriction of something not happening and to what degree teachers touch on the subject....I wouldn't prohibit them what they are doing currently.

My question is how does this law harm you back in the 3rd grade? How would it have impacted you?

#159 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 02:56 PM | Reply

-Adults worry about problems before they arrive and avoid them.

Is that what you think you're doing, chickenlittle?

#160 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 02:57 PM | Reply

IMO, that enforcement provision is the poison pill that will make more likely (if not guaranteed) that the courts will toss this law once it's challenged at that level.

I guess you've failed to notice that the SCOTUS has allowed these civil lawsuit laws brought by citizens against other citizens (as they relate to abortions) to stand (even though doing so stripped settled legal abortion law down to 6 weeks or less) and appears ready to rule in their favor once a case gets before them.

#161 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 02:59 PM | Reply

IMO, that enforcement provision is the poison pill that will make more likely (if not guaranteed) that the courts will toss this law once it's challenged at that level.

The rightwing flank of SCOTUS has already indicated that recreational litigation by civilian bounty hunters is a legislative end-run around the Constitution. Try to keep up.

#162 | Posted by JOE at 2022-04-20 02:59 PM | Reply

Your question, Eberly, is irrelevant.
You're only asking it because that canard was inserted into the bill to distract and cover for the rest of the bill.
It wasn't happening and it wasn't going to happen.

#163 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 02:59 PM | Reply

161

Honestly? Yes I have failed to notice.

#164 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 03:01 PM | Reply

#161 #162 - exactly the point I tried to make with my comment in #145.

#165 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 03:01 PM | Reply

A day where Eberly admits he doesn't know about something is a rare one indeed.

Cherish this moment, fellas. It's like a shooting star.

#166 | Posted by JOE at 2022-04-20 03:02 PM | Reply

-while potentially bankrupting teachers who'll be open to lawsuits from parents for simply doing their jobs.

IMO, that enforcement provision is the poison pill that will make more likely (if not guaranteed) that the courts will toss this law once it's challenged at that level.

#158 | Posted by eberly

meaning it's not so much a serious attempt at a law as it is just Desantis making a show of bashing gays to help his political future among hateful homophobes, and causing a lot of expensive painful litigation in the process.

#167 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-20 03:02 PM | Reply

-Adults worry about problems before they arrive and avoid them.

Is that what you think you're doing, chickenlittle?

#160 | Posted by eberly

That's what I always do stupid. Which is why I'm always on the right of issues while you pretend you can't tell which side is worse - the side that said climate change is a problem or the side that lied about it for 4 decades.

#168 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-20 03:04 PM | Reply

-You're only asking it because that canard was inserted into the bill to distract and cover for the rest of the bill.

No, that's not why I'm asking.

THIS is why I'm asking.....

"Can you imagine what this does to kids that are gay or sorting things out about just who they are?"

Tell me how this impacts those kids.

#169 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 03:04 PM | Reply

A day where Eberly admits he doesn't know about something is a rare one indeed.

Cherish this moment, fellas. It's like a shooting star.

#166 | Posted by JOE

"I dont know much about current events, but I'm sticking to my conclusion that repubs are no worse than democrats on anything. No matter what."

#170 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-20 03:05 PM | Reply

"Tell me how this impacts those kids."

It marginalizes them.

#171 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 03:05 PM | Reply

-Which is why I'm always on the right of issues while you pretend you can't tell which side is worse

Who knows where you really stand on anything, moron. You're just here to throw spitwads and pretend to be part of the cool kids club.

Right now....give me the name of a single member of your local school board
While you're at it.....name me a member of your city counsel.

You have 1 minute after I publish this

#172 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 03:06 PM | Reply

#151

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but in addition to the bonds, won't Florida's governments have to PAY Disney for their existent infrastructure before taking it over? They just can't take what Disney has built and paid for, can they? This isn't an imminent domain situation and even that would require negotiated compensation from the state to Disney for what they're taking over.

As I stated earlier, the Florida Republicans are getting ready to screw themselves and Florida taxpayers royally because they don't like a political stance that Disney took to assuage their employees and customers.

#173 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 03:08 PM | Reply

There is a thread I can't find right now about the last 10 years and how things have changed so much.

It's a great read

It mentions "factionalism".

Speakstupid is the poster child for factionalism. He's obsessed with sides and groups and uses them to pretend he's superior.

He and snoofy are the co-chairs of the DR's factionalism club. They meet Tuesday evenings at the laundry mat near Speakstupid's trailer park.

#174 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 03:12 PM | Reply

This thread, Eberly?
drudge.com
The article is interesting.
The idiocy by Effette is unbearable.

#175 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-20 03:19 PM | Reply

"factionalism"

The Republicans have been there since Newt, but when Barack became President it became their primary modus operandi.

Like the vow to make health care reform Obama's Waterloo.

#176 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 03:20 PM | Reply

If all of us on both sides are honest for just one moment we can all agree that the only reason DeSantis pushed this legislation through was to pump up his political base and to "pwn" the liberals. As a policy issue it is meaningless beyond it's propaganda value to appeal to right wingers.

#177 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-04-20 03:22 PM | Reply

-No, Disney responded to their own employees who were upset because the legislation would negatively affect their children and families and demanded that Disney do the right thing, which they then did.

Back to this comment....you really think Disney supported this bill unknowing their employees would object then had to reverse their entire position on it after learning they objected?

Don't you think you're being a little naive here?

#178 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 03:26 PM | Reply

#178

Did Disney "support this bill" or did Disney just make non-specific contributions to Florida Republicans who voted for this bill.

#179 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 03:29 PM | Reply

Don't misunderstand Yav...I'm not asserting the bill doesn't harm anyone. I haven't read it nor anything about it.

It's not my main point.

DeSantis is running for president and Disney is hedging their bets by playing both sides.

And...the florida legislature has no reason to poke the bear with regard to Disney.

#180 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 03:30 PM | Reply

#177

That's why I tend to try to mostly stay away from these fake social issues threads.

They are as you say about distractions and meaningless propaganda; they don't need to be about lucid political thought, they just need to be a Circus.

#181 | Posted by Corky at 2022-04-20 03:32 PM | Reply

-If all of us on both sides are honest for just one moment we can all agree that the only reason DeSantis pushed this legislation through was to pump up his political base and to "pwn" the liberals.

In the spirit of not marginalizing people......can we include individuals who can also agree with your point?

Or do you reject the idea of an individual even existing in the world anymore?

Too cynical and craven?

#182 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 03:33 PM | Reply

Back to this comment....you really think Disney supported this bill unknowing their employees would object then had to reverse their entire position on it after learning they objected?

Don't you think you're being a little naive here?

Not based on the chronology of events that I've read. At first, Disney didn't want to make any public pronouncement whatsoever. But under their current CEO, Disney has greatly expanded whole house inclusion and diversity. This is one of the things Republicans keep mentioning derisively as Disney's movies and shows have included LGBTQ characters and situations rather prominently which of course the GOP/conservatives abhor.

The employees threatened to strike if Disney didn't publicly follow in the footsteps they were already traveling down with their internal business decisions and marketing.

Of course at the end of the day, this is all market driven, I'm not saying that it was strictly moral. The world is diverse and Disney wants everyone to fill their coffers, not just a small cross section of bigots and regressives, but their initial silence was in placation of just those now screaming the loudest.

#183 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 03:35 PM | Reply

175

Yes, that thread.

"I dont know much about current events, but I'm sticking to my conclusion that repubs are no worse than democrats on anything. No matter what."

On this thread, I have done nothing but attack a specific republican and republicans in general. I haven't said ---- about democrats...nothing.

What a ------- ------ just begging for my attention.

#184 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 03:37 PM | Reply

-As a policy issue it is meaningless beyond it's propaganda value to appeal to right wingers.

You mean the law that was passed?

#185 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 03:40 PM | Reply

Yes, the law that was passed.

#186 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-04-20 03:48 PM | Reply

Yav took me to task over it and how it harms the kids.

He certainly doesn't believe it's "propaganda" and "meaningless as a policy issue".

That's why I was asking.

Again, I'm not invested into dismissing the law as meaningless.

DeSantis is a douchebag...not just for this law but for the reasons he's pushed for it and signed it.

But......Disney is bigger than DeSantis.

#187 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 03:54 PM | Reply

And just so you know Ebs (and as Lamplighter posted earlier above), the FL senate has already passed the bill stripping Disney of its special district status. The vote was 23-16. Now, the bill moves to the House and then to DeSantis for his signature.

And yes, they will pass this bill and then deal with the repercussions, but not until after they've shown Disney who's boss.

And secondly, no, the Florida GOPers are obviously not frightened by Disney withholding its political donations. Balls in your court for comment.

#188 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 03:55 PM | Reply

Your intelligence is showing by using vulgarity and the work "------". You just outed yourself as a GQP!!!!!

#189 | Posted by Enlightened at 2022-04-20 04:00 PM | Reply

So far, the Republican Party has banned abortion, books, history lessons, and Disney, because they really, really, really hate cancel culture.

Brian Taylor Cohen

#190 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 04:01 PM | Reply

188

that just happened? As is...this afternoon?

I'm wrong. I misunderstood the dynamics of Disney's presence in the State.

Their own employees are pissed at them and now the legislature.

#191 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 04:03 PM | Reply

-You just outed yourself as a GQP!!!!!

You're cute. I'll look for your condemnation of vulgarity and other terms being used by folks all over the political spectrum, unenlighted.

#192 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 04:05 PM | Reply

As is...this afternoon?

Couple hours ago, yes.

#193 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 04:06 PM | Reply

Warm weather states across the country are likely putting together aggressive bids to try to steal Disney from the ingrates in Florida. Unfortunately most of them are just as backwards on social issues.

#194 | Posted by JOE at 2022-04-20 04:07 PM | Reply

The bill's passage is a done deal.

The House State Affairs Committee voted Tuesday night along party lines to pass H.B. 3C along to the full house vote Thursday after a heated debate ensued on either side of the aisle.

Republican Rep. Randy Fine, sponsor of the bill to scrap the Reedy Creek Improvement District, as the Disney government entity is known, said it is time for a change.

"You kick the hornet's nest, things come up. And I will say this: You got me on one thing - this bill does target one company. It targets the Walt Disney Co.," Fine said. "You want to know why? Because they are the only company in the state that has ever been granted the right to govern themselves."

In an email fundraising pitch Wednesday, DeSantis, a potential Republican presidential candidate in 2024, put it this way:

"Disney has gotten away with special deals from the state of Florida for way too long. It took a look under the hood to see what Disney has become to truly understand their inappropriate influence," the governor's email said.

"If Disney wants to pick a fight, they chose the wrong guy," the email added.

www.clickorlando.com

This is 100% about spite and the ability to inflict pain upon someone or something, period. There are no benefits to be derived by Florida's taxpayers in this and I'll guarantee now that Disney will end up making greater profits because they'll shed tens of millions in expenses that heretofore they paid.

#195 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 04:16 PM | Reply

"LOL gotta love the self-declared victory.

#139 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2022-04-20 02:19 PM"

It's something you do several times per day. People in glass houses...

#196 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-04-20 04:18 PM | Reply

Warm weather states across the country are likely putting together aggressive bids to try to steal Disney from the ingrates in Florida.

Unfortunately, I don't see any other state that has Florida's year-round weather advantage of being the farthest south and the ones along the Gulf or coast are all GOP-run as well as you mentioned.

Colorado has already made a pitch to have Disney move its headquarters to Denver.

#197 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 04:22 PM | Reply

Who knows where you really stand on anything, moron. You're just here to throw spitwads and pretend to be part of the cool kids club.

Right now....give me the name of a single member of your local school board
While you're at it.....name me a member of your city counsel.

You have 1 minute after I publish this

#172 | Posted by eberly

I've been spanking your dumb ass across this site for years moron. If you dont know where i stand on issues by now that's a sign of your own intellectual capacity.

I can also make up random questions that you wont know the answer to and claim it proves something about you, but I'm not dumb enough waste my time on a game like that.

Unlike you I actually remember your position on everything. It's easy to remember when your position is always the same - repubs aren't worse than democrats. They deserve the endless benefit of the doubt, no matter how many lies they tell or how many coups they attempt. No matter how much evidence is added to the mountain you'll never learn a thing. And after all that you want to pretend to be the adult in the room.

#198 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-20 04:44 PM | Reply

198

You're an example of why this place has 1/4 of the users it once did.

you distract issues with your name calling and spit wads.

you can't debate anything. Instead, you just clamor on with "because you voted for a republican now we have this problem".

You simply don't have the intelligence to discuss any specific issue without going there.

I'm done with you. You were barely better than snoofy....but it's an insignificant difference.

#199 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 04:49 PM | Reply

spankstupid, you've been bullied, beaten, abused, perhaps even assaulted.

Somewhere in your past are some dark events.

In your mind, you've convinced yourself I'm that person who did that to you.

I represent that evil to you.

Your obsession with me is extremely unhealthy for you and pointless for me.

It's time we end that.

#200 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 04:54 PM | Reply

You're an example of why this place has 1/4 of the users it once did.

you distract issues with your name calling and spit wads.

you can't debate anything. Instead, you just clamor on with "because you voted for a republican now we have this problem".

You simply don't have the intelligence to discuss any specific issue without going there.

I'm done with you. You were barely better than snoofy....but it's an insignificant difference.

#199 | Posted by eberly

This place has 1/4 the users it had because a lot of republicans were ashamed of bush and didn't want to defend him. Then trump came and the rest of the republicans ran away except for the seriously stupid maga morons who can't engage in a debate at all like boaz.

It's no fun being on a political debate site when you have to defend the indefensible every day. So they just ran away.

You're not even that smart though. You stuck around with the exclusive strategy of pretending you can't tell that republicans have lost their minds and see no reason to keep always giving them the benefit of the doubt.

And then more stupid republicans died of covid because they were so committed to their republican propaganda.

All that's left are liberals, fake moderate idiots like you pretending they can't tell which side is worse, and die hard fascist cult members. Don't blame liberals, dont blame the site. Blame what your party chose to become.

#201 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-20 05:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I stopped trying to have real debates with conservatives the moment they elected trump. They jumped off a cliff into idiocy and fascism.

You hate me because i wont let you pretend that your entire party didn't sell its soul to a lying con man fascist. And I'll keep on saying it until it's no longer true. Plonk me and hide if you need to.

#202 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-20 05:16 PM | Reply

-You hate me because i wont let you pretend that your entire party didn't sell its soul to a lying con man fascist.

You are such a liar. I've never pretended that's not what the republican party has done.

I've never defended the GOP....only myself. You keep excusing your lying and trolling by claiming you are addressing the GOP....but you're just licking my taint. Not the GOP's taint. Eberly's taint.

I'm not a fake moderate. You don't believe in moderates.

Everyone is a member of a faction. There are no individuals. Not in your ------ up eyes.

Actually...you probably know better. but you just need me

You need me.

#203 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 05:35 PM | Reply

-I stopped trying to have real debates with conservatives

hardly. You simply don't have the skills to debate with anyone.

#204 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 05:36 PM | Reply

Eberly's premier debate skill is the plonk.

#205 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 05:38 PM | Reply

I've never defended the GOP....only myself.

#203 | Posted by eberly

Right. Because deflecting from massive republican crimes to weak ass democrat false equivalencies on every thread isn't a defense is it?

#206 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-20 05:46 PM | Reply

Everyone is a member of a faction. There are no individuals. Not in your ------ up eyes.

Actually...you probably know better. but you just need me

You need me.

#203 | Posted by eberly

You got that right. And right now there are 2 factions - democracy or fascism. Full stop.

If you're not helping democracy beat fascism, you're helping fascism beat democracy.

And acting like dems are anywhere near as bad as repubs, which you do constantly, is helping the fascists win.

#207 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-20 05:47 PM | Reply

-weak ass democrat false equivalencies on every thread

lie

-acting like dems are anywhere near as bad as repubs

lie

#208 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 05:52 PM | Reply

-acting like dems are anywhere near as bad as repubs

lie

#208 | Posted by eberly

If you cricitized repubs on anywhere near the scale you defend them or deflect for them, someone would have noticed by now.

#209 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-20 05:53 PM | Reply

How many members of the fascist coup party are you planning on voting for this year eb?

#210 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-20 05:54 PM | Reply

Since the Disney company is worth about 203 billion I am sure they will manage to survive...

#211 | Posted by MSgt at 2022-04-20 05:57 PM | Reply

Florida's problem with Disney lies more with Disney's cusyomer base, which is not mainly Conservative Evangelical Christian while DeSantis's base is. Florida yhinks they can treat Disney any way right wing fascists like DeSntis wants to without fear of losing the tax revenue generated nor the jobs created but it is the old story of killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. DeSantis is likely to be so arrogant that he will be the governor who does eFlorida was a blue state untilxactly that and the Republicans here have short memories, Florida was a solid blue state until aabout 20 years ago and if the Republicans keep putting the wishes of their Right Wing Christian base ahead of the Florida economy it will be blue again.

#212 | Posted by danni at 2022-04-20 06:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You don't believe in moderates."

But the Republicans used to represent "moderayes" but George W, Bush ended that when belief in his personal war in Iraq" became synonomous with patriotism.

#213 | Posted by danni at 2022-04-20 06:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Both Orange and Osceola both went for Biden. This is the ultimate power move by DeSantis LOL!!!!! They'll be shoveling that debt to kingdom come ROFL!!!

#214 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-04-20 07:11 PM | Reply

Both Orange and Osceola both went for Biden. This is the ultimate power move by DeSantis LOL!!!!! They'll be shoveling that debt to kingdom come ROFL!!!

#214 | Posted by Reginald

By your logic, CA should increase taxes of fresno to bankrupt everyone there. since fresno is full of morons who love trump. ROFL!!

#215 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-20 07:31 PM | Reply

Both Orange and Osceola both went for Biden. This is the ultimate power move by DeSantis LOL!!!!! They'll be shoveling that debt to kingdom come ROFL!!!

The new Republican Party campaign slogan: Vote GOP: Even though we don't care to actually legislate, we solemnly swear to amplify hate, spur insurrection and retaliate!

#216 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 07:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-How many members of the fascist coup party are you planning on voting for this year eb?

Have you ever actually voted, rube?

Exactly what elections are you babbling about?

Seriously ... ..have you ever seen an actual ballot?

Do you have a clue what gets included on a ballot?

Bond issues
District judges
District attorney
School board
Referendums
County commission
City commission
State senate
State house
Governor
Insurance commissioner(elected in my state)

Then we move onto house of rep senate and potus.

You've never voted. I swear

#217 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 08:11 PM | Reply

-If you cricitized repubs on anywhere near the scale you defend them or deflect for them, someone would have noticed by now.

You don't notice anything

You just lie

#218 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 08:12 PM | Reply

213

Danni you either believe moderates exist or you don't.

Stop making excuses

#219 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-20 08:13 PM | Reply

When were Republicans moderates?

When they supported Nixon? Reagan? Bushes 1&2? Trump?

I hear good things about Ike. But that's mostly due to his willingness to push back on bankers, lobbyists and corruption. Also. He was taxing the shht out of the rich.

But, in my life time, Republicans have gotten progressively more and more Rightwing.

Despite insistences to the contrary, Democratic presidents and politicians have also gotten progressively further right of center.

#220 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-04-20 08:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You've never voted. I swear

#217 | Posted by eberly

You're delusional. As always.

That was a whole lot of typing to evade say that YES you're going to vote for trump supporting fascists who see no problem overthrowing democracy if thats what it takes to stay in power.

Which makes you a trump supporter. As I've been saying for years.

#221 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-20 08:37 PM | Reply

You're going to use your vote to send a message to the republican party that all their recent behavior, from colluding with putin to killing americans with covid to attemping a fascist coup...none of that will cost them your vote.

#222 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-20 08:38 PM | Reply

Florida senate passed legislation to revoke Disney's special status. Laws shouldn't be written for a single company.

#223 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-20 08:58 PM | Reply

Laws shouldn't be written for a single company.

You're a moron's moron. Florida has 1844 "special districts" all enacted for the individual projects that they cover.

The GOP stronghold "The Villages" is a special district as well. Do you feel the same way about it and the other 1842?

And yet again, you're a moron for always commenting from the viewpoint of not even understanding the basic facts surrounding the issues you bloviate about.

#224 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 09:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If this happens nobodynothing is safe in Florida.

#225 | Posted by fresno500 at 2022-04-20 09:10 PM | Reply

Republicans will politicize anything, if they think it will get them more power.

#226 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 09:14 PM | Reply

Florida senate passed legislation to revoke Disney's special status. Laws shouldn't be written for a single company.

#223 | Posted by visitor_

Do you know how often that happens?

Funny how it never bothered you before.

#227 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-20 09:18 PM | Reply

Bond issues
District judges
District attorney
School board
Referendums
County commission
City commission
State senate
State house
Governor
Insurance commissioner(elected in my state)
Then we move onto house of rep senate and potus.
#217 | POSTED BY EBERLY

And we've all never seen a Boy Scout so deserving of a Merit Badge!

#228 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-20 09:18 PM | Reply

Leftists on record as being against equality before the law.

#229 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-20 09:30 PM | Reply

Leftists on record as being against equality before the law.

ROFLMAO! What an intellectually vacuous response, wholly disconnected from the express purposes and reasons special districts were created.

You're arguing that taxpayers should be upset/concerned that a private company received legislative approval to spend its own money and run its own services within its own property, not use taxpayer funded infrastructure, AND pay hundreds of millions in taxes, INCLUDING property taxes - when they don't use the government services property taxes fund.

Disney pays, taxpayers don't and Visitor thinks Disney is receiving special treatment that others don't. Tell you what, any company in Florida is free to request the same deal that Disney has but that line will be extremely short or non existent. No company would pay to replicate infrastructure when easy, affordable access to existent infrastructure is available.

Disney didn't extort control over something built by taxpayer funding, they built their own infrastructure from scratch with their own money. In return, the government allowed them to run what they created on their own property the way they want to within laws and regulations.

Where's the inequality, V? It's called a quid pro quo.

#230 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-20 09:48 PM | Reply

Where's my exemption from the collective?

#231 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-20 09:56 PM | Reply

#224 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2022-04-20 09:08 PM | REPLY | FLAG:| NEWSWORTHY 1

Spittin' facts, TONY.

#232 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-04-20 11:31 PM | Reply

#229 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Do yourself a favor and take into consideration the convincing perspective being laid out in front of your face. You typically don't which begs the question WTF are you here. You certainly don't offer a convincing argument, hardly ever, and certainly not on this thread.

Look, it's not like how BELLRINGER suggests interactions here work by "Just take the loss, VISITOR_." It's a matter of actually considering the other perspective and rationally deciding which is more convincing.

Your take clearly is not. TONYROMA has laid out the nuance, time for you to consider it.

Nah, time for you to swallow it. Because it seems as though you're choosing ignorance, which is certainly not going to make your argument anymore convincing.

#233 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-04-20 11:37 PM | Reply

Keep at it, Visitor.

You are kicking butt and taking names.

#234 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-04-20 11:45 PM | Reply

#234 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

How ------- adorable!!!

#235 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-04-20 11:50 PM | Reply

#235 I was mocking your #232

#236 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-04-21 12:06 AM | Reply

As NBC8 explained, "Unlike other theme parks in the state, when Disney wants to build a building, fill in a lake, or pave a road on their property, they don't have to seek permits or approval." The special status for Disney is not enjoyed by other Orlando attractions, either.

"Other developers have to play by different rules, Universal Studios has to play by different rules and so Disney really does have an unfair business advantage," Rollins College Professor Emeritus Richard Foglesong told the NBC affiliate.

#237 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-21 02:23 AM | Reply

As NBC8 explained, "Unlike other theme parks in the state, when Disney wants to build a building, fill in a lake, or pave a road on their property, they don't have to seek permits or approval." The special status for Disney is not enjoyed by other Orlando attractions, either.

Disney is NOT just a "theme park" they're a 40 square mile, self-contained metroplex who BUILT and CONTROLLED all aspects of their own property which was developed BY THEM, FOR THEM at their expense - not the taxpayers, which is really the whole ballgame - with the expressed blessing of the state of Florida's legislature. Nothing that Disney has asked for nor done was outside of Florida law, and up until this moment there was not one single thing wrong with the arrangement but for Florida's GOP politicians getting butthurt because Disney had the audacity to publicly oppose their anti-LGBTQ legislation.

You think that is fine and dandy for the state to come in after 57 years and simply take over administrative control of Disney's own property because "other theme parks don't have special status." Well, while you're at it, why don't Florida's politicians take away MAGA-central "The Villages'" special status which allows them to do all the same things that Disney does?

Crickets. Hypocrisy thy name is Visitor.

#238 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-21 05:41 AM | Reply

Keep at it, Visitor.

You are kicking butt and taking names.

Compared to Visitor, I'm a 3-legged man in a butt kicking contest with the Black Knight after his earlier defeat.

#239 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-21 05:48 AM | Reply

The GOP in a nutshell...

forget the insurrection,
forget tax breaks for billionaires,
forget trying to kill healthcare for
millions of Americans,
forget caving in to the Fossil Fuel Sector
while much of the West burns every summer...

No! We must attack the Evil Mouse Driven Empire!!

#240 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-04-21 06:41 AM | Reply

In order to kick an imaginary Goofy in his imaginary goolies, I'm gonna raise property taxes in two counties. No problem, I'll be elsewhere, growling all he-man-like, running for caudillo.

#241 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-04-21 07:21 AM | Reply

That is the DeSantis message.

#242 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-04-21 07:21 AM | Reply

I wish everyone could use and improve their own land with the same freedom as Disney. That's the difference Tony, you don't mind when the government grants special privileges to a chosen few.

#243 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-21 09:28 AM | Reply

"I wish everyone could use and improve their own land with the same freedom as Disney."

That's cute.

They can do that right now. All they have to do is pay the lobbyists. They simply can't afford to.

As you'd explain it, they made bad choices in life. So they don't have as much money as Disney.

You like it this way.

#244 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-21 09:33 AM | Reply

Your argument seems to have three parts. List the features of the special status Disney currently enjoys. Point out Disney has made great improvements while operating outside of government interference with their special status. Disney's special status should continue because they have made great improvements while operating outside of government interference with their special status. A very libertarian argument.

I would prefer everyone could have Disney's special status. In which case it wouldn't be special, it would be the norm. Lacking that, one set of rules for everyone. I believe the way to reduce government interference is to make everyone suffer it equally.

#245 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-21 09:46 AM | Reply

Snoofy, #244 No I don't like it this way and I don't believe you do either. People that believe that government can solve inequity need to realize that government can also create inequity and fix it in place permanently.

#246 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-21 09:50 AM | Reply

Visitot DO YPU EVEVLIVE HERE DA?IN Flotida? I'v livrd here brfotr ground wasbroken t o create Disney World whics become an attracyion gor millions of people from around the wotld. It bringz in bollions for Flotida.

#247 | Posted by danni at 2022-04-21 09:57 AM | Reply

Danni, I'm thinking about moving to Orlando. Where would you recommend?

#248 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-21 10:04 AM | Reply

"Snoofy, #244 No I don't like it this way and I don't believe you do either."

Bull.

You've sided with moneyed interests your entire life, except when you were groomed to hate George Soros, and now Disney.

As for what I believe: Disney offered Florida a good deal and they took it. I am hardly a fan of Dinsey's work, I find plenty of it offensive, but this particular deal isn't a problem.

Some of my earliest childhood memories are from Disney World. Terrifying memories of animatronic Chinese screaming "Small World" at me.

#249 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-21 10:07 AM | Reply

Disney can do anything they want. It's privately owned.
We the people, don't have to attend the place.
I love the USA and freedom of choice.

#250 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2022-04-21 10:11 AM | Reply

Hey Visitor_

You are telling us that #50 was sarcastic?
???

Privately owned roads, police and fire services and other infrastructure. A libertarian paradise. The rest of the country should take their government functions private too. Let's start with the schools.
#50 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

#251 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-21 10:12 AM | Reply

Not true, my dislike for Disney began with their success at copyright extension. When I side with moneyed interests it's because they are opposing other moneyed interests that I judge as being worse.

#252 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-21 10:13 AM | Reply

So, explain #50 to us.

#253 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-21 10:19 AM | Reply

"When I side with moneyed interests it's because they are opposing other moneyed interests that I judge as being worse."

So the undue access itself isn't a problem.

It's just when undue access gets into the wrong hands...

#254 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-21 10:23 AM | Reply

#253 In #50 I was pointing out the hypocrisy of defending Disney's libertarian state, using libertarian arguments when Tony is usually on the side of top down, regulatory government.

#255 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-04-21 10:28 AM | Reply

People that believe that government can solve inequity need to realize that government can also create inequity and fix it in place permanently.
#246 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

The Second Amendment does exactly that. But you'll never see it.

Black men get killed with guns at 10x the rate of white men.

#256 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-21 10:29 AM | Reply

#253 In #50 I was pointing out the hypocrisy of defending Disney's libertarianfacts.

^
That's not an argument.
That's you smelling your own farts.

#257 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-21 10:30 AM | Reply

Keep at it, Visitor.

You are kicking butt and taking names.

#234 | Posted by BellRinger

You're cheering for a guy who says putin is ukraine to fight nazis.

Nice company you keep.

#258 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-21 12:33 PM | Reply

I was very wrong with my comments about the state legislature and how they feel towards Disney.

I see a huge employer in a State and assumed the rank and file employees and citizens would support Disney to the point where they would defend their right to publicly take a position and support them regardless....and by default....the state legislature wouldn't cross Disney.

I assumed that because if Koch Industries did the same thing here in Kansas....I still believe our legislature wouldn't cross Koch.

But it's apples and oranges in reality. Disney is a different kind of employer. Heavier union influence, Disney has been guilty of some treating employees like ---- over the years, etc.

#259 | Posted by eberly at 2022-04-21 01:57 PM | Reply

"Disney has been guilty of some treating employees like ----"

Employees, contractors, vendors, business partners, venues, IP holders...

#260 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-21 02:03 PM | Reply

Heavier union influence, Disney has been guilty of some treating employees like ---- over the years, etc.

#259 | Posted by eberly

you realize unions are what PREVENT corporations from mistreating employees right dumdum?

This is all just part of desantis' presidential campaign. Be seen as leading the fight against gay people = win the votes and adoration of bigots across america.

#261 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-21 02:10 PM | Reply

Despite all the informative posts on this thread, I don't feel I know enough about Disney, Florida's special districts, and the financial impacts of leaving it in place or repealing it, to add to the argument for or against.

What I am curious about, is the apparent cheerful, even eager, acceptance by R's of DeSantis and the Florida legislature using their political power to financially punish those who speak out against them. Are you really OK with this on a moral and ethical level? Do you think it's acceptable for government to use its power, fiscal or otherwise, to silence dissent? How does this action by DeSantis and the Florida legislature fit within the American ideas of free speech, freedom to speak out against the government, and equal protection, whether it's a corporation or individual?

I won't hold my breath waiting for an intelligent response.

#262 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-04-21 02:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I won't hold my breath waiting for an intelligent response.

#262 | Posted by El_Buscador

That's called fascism. And the republican party is now totally ok with it. They gave up on democracy when a black guy got elected.

#263 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-21 02:39 PM | Reply

#262 | POSTED BY EL_BUSCADOR

You don't post often.

But when you do, I find myself in agreement with what you have to say.

I would be interested in reading a genuine response to your post.

#264 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-04-21 03:16 PM | Reply

I would be interested in reading a genuine response to your post.

Please, in 264 responses there isn't a germane and substantive one answering his questions to be found. And that's because there is absolutely no reason for the legislature to vote to rescind Disney's district because under Florida law only the district's homeowners can dissolve the district. So all of this is nothing more than political theater to highlight DeSantis' Nixonian pantomime as the Miami Herald calls his revenge tactics.

As it stands now, Disney runs their district at a loss of $5-$10 million annually, rolling it into their price of doing business. This red ink will be transfered to the counties thanks to DeSantis, so that means raising taxes. Disney already pays property taxes, so they can't just dun them for more. And don't forget, there are only 19 landowners in the district, so there aren't but a few handfuls of people to actually target. That's why the corporation foots the bill.

There's also at least $1 billion in debt that the counties would have to assume as well if they take over from Disney. And taxpayers would then be on the hook for all capital improvements within Disney's property too. All of this because Disney stood up for LBGTQ citizens and stood against the GOP's bigoted legislation.

So what argument is there that dissolving Disney's district benefits the taxpayers in Orange and Osceola counties?

#265 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-21 03:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So what argument is there that dissolving Disney's district benefits the taxpayers in Orange and Osceola counties?

#265 | Posted by tonyroma

Helping desantis seem like a warrior against wokeness and get elected president. Why would he care about the real world effects? he's a typical republican sociopath

#266 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-21 03:54 PM | Reply

Little thought experiment here, just imagine a future where the counties take over Disney's services:

Disney: Hey counties, a couple of our electric generators are at the life-end and we need new ones stat.

County commission/board: Well, that just isn't in our budget for this fiscal year...

Disney: (WTF?) Ah... you do understand that this isn't something we'd "like" this is something that is absolutely needed based on the timetable we gave you quarters ago. If our generators go, people can get hurt. You know, all these electric rides that we have where any power interruption would be fateful. We could have thousands of people distressed, creating a potential catastrophic situation!

County: Eh, it doesn't work that way Mr. Mousey Britches. You don't run the show anymore, we do ... and don't forget it.

Disney: A couple of our Emergency Response vehicles need replacing, they're falling apart ...

County: (cuts him off) Make do with what you have. They aren't in the budget until 4th quarter, just make it work.

Disney: You do understand that some of our guests might need these for emergency critical care, right, and if they're unavailable, people might die, then they'll sue us, not you, right?

County: Cost of doing business big boy.

Now extrapolate all the possible scenarios where county government's built in inefficiency will meet Disney's needs for an immediacy that government is not built to deliver. This is a recipe for potential tragedy and disaster. And none of it needs to even be theorized but for the power-lust of one man and his presidential desires and his vindictive thirst to punish his political opponents and opposition.

#267 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-04-21 04:16 PM | Reply

Do you think it's acceptable for government to use its power, fiscal or otherwise, to silence dissent? How does this action by DeSantis and the Florida legislature fit within the American ideas of free speech, freedom to speak out against the government, and equal protection, whether it's a corporation or individual?
I won't hold my breath waiting for an intelligent response.

#262 | POSTED BY EL_BUSCADOR AT 2022-04-21 02:14 PM |

My my lookie here, how free speech is now an issue.

#268 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-04-21 04:51 PM | Reply

My my lookie here, how free speech is now an issue.

#268 | Posted by lfthndthrds

When did government suppress your free speech?

How has trump managed to continue spreading his lies to morons if his free speech has been taken away?

#269 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-21 04:52 PM | Reply

Good call on not holding your breath.

I've yet to see any even semi-rational comment from any right-winger other than that RINO Eberly.

#270 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-21 04:55 PM | Reply

"Black men get killed with guns at 10x the rate of white men."

Who is killing them?

#271 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-04-21 04:58 PM | Reply

People with guns are killing them.

#272 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-21 05:00 PM | Reply

How has trump managed to continue spreading his lies to morons if his free speech has been taken away?

#269 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2022-04-21 04:52

When you hold that geriatric patient accountable for his lies, we can discuss honesty.

#273 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-04-21 05:01 PM | Reply

My my lookie here, how free speech is now an issue.

#268 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

By the derisive tone of your post I assume you have some contrived abridgement to squawk about. Go ahead and make an ass of yourself.

#274 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-04-21 05:07 PM | Reply

I swear, seeing so many old white guys choose to spend their retirement acting like spoiled children on the Internet makes we want to never retire, lest I end up like that.

#275 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-21 05:09 PM | Reply

By the derisive tone of your post I assume you have some contrived abridgement to squawk about. Go ahead and make an ass of yourself.

#274 | POSTED BY EL_BUSCADOR AT 2022-04-21 05:07 PM |

Not squawking at all. I've had to listen to the left shout down everyone who brought up the issue of free speech over the last two years. I also predicted they would be fine with silencing those complaining until something like this happened. Go back to holding your breath, you made more sense like that.

#276 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-04-21 05:24 PM | Reply

"People with guns are killing them."

Just. random. people?

#277 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-04-21 05:28 PM | Reply

"I swear, seeing so many old white guys choose to spend their retirement acting like spoiled children on the Internet makes we want to never retire, lest I end up like that."

Dude, just identify as a old non-white guy. You'd be golden.

#278 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-04-21 05:30 PM | Reply

I personally identify as a transgender lesbian.

I've known what I am for a long time.

#279 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-04-21 05:31 PM | Reply

"Just. random. people?"

You asking for names or something?

#280 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-21 05:31 PM | Reply

Does than make me part of the LGBTQIA+ community?

I think it does.

#281 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-04-21 05:32 PM | Reply

"I've had to listen to the left shout down everyone who brought up the issue of free speech over the last two years."

What are you even talking about?

#282 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-21 05:32 PM | Reply

"You asking for names or something?"

Nope.

Just trends.

Demographics, maybe?

#283 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-04-21 05:32 PM | Reply

"I personally identify as a transgender lesbian."

You pee in the women's room?
Okay. I can believe that about you.

#284 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-21 05:33 PM | Reply

When you hold that geriatric patient accountable for his lies, we can discuss honesty.

#273 | Posted by lfthndthrds

We werent discussing lies we were discussing free speech. Which you said was being taken away. Who lost their right to free speech?

If you want to discuss lies we can do that too. And you can find a few from biden and act like that outweighs the thousands of lies from trump starting with "biggest inauguration in history!"

#285 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-21 05:36 PM | Reply

Demographics, maybe?
#283 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

How would that information change anything?
(Hint: it won't.)

But I encourage you to go dig it up and make whatever point you think is lurking there!

#286 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-21 05:40 PM | Reply

"You pee in the women's room? Okay. I can believe that about you."

Uhh. you don't?

I pee in which ever one has the shortest line.

#287 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-04-21 05:43 PM | Reply

"Farmer said the bond debt could total more than $2 billion and that tax authorities are increasing their estimates as they learn more about Reedy Creek's outstanding liabilities.

"This is a very real impact, the extent of which we don't fully understand yet," Farmer said.

If the liabilities of $1.7 billion or more are transferred to Orange and Osceola counties, he said, the debt could amount to $1,000 per taxpayer."

www.cnbc.com

Just think what DuhSantist could do for 'Murica!

#288 | Posted by Corky at 2022-04-21 05:52 PM | Reply

I've had to listen to the left shout down everyone who brought up the issue of free speech over the last two years.

#276 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Example?

#289 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-04-21 05:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Conservatives spouted off for decades about the importance of free markets and the danger of government picking winners and losers.

Yet here they are defending a power-mad politician attacking a corporation for mild criticism of his bill by enacting a multibillion-dollar change without even studying the impact of what they are doing.

Conservatives don't stand for anything any more. They're just a moronic cult.

#290 | Posted by rcade at 2022-04-21 06:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Disney should very publically start making large land purchases in Puerto Rico. Make DeathSentence and the GQP think there was a real chance they'd pull ties in FL and move. Watch that piece of greasy excrement hit his knees and beg them to stay. Think of all the money FL would lose. FL would become just like Alabama or Mississippi, another S-Hole state with lousy education and worse health outcomes.

#291 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2022-04-21 07:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They got so fired up over having to wear any mask that they tossed that "free market" mask away, too.
(Along with a whole lot of other masks...)

#292 | Posted by YAV at 2022-04-21 07:02 PM | Reply

"Disney should very publically start making large land purchases in Puerto Rico."

Cuba would be even better.

#293 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-04-21 07:15 PM | Reply

These rwing pols that are usually found crawling around on their knees for donations from big corporations have a Base SO STUPID that it believes that said pols are "standing up to Corporations for them".

And since this kind of rhetoric and legal attack against Disney stimulates the Base's collective crotches, DeSantis et al get away with this very selective outrage, and expect to get votes for their performance, and prolly will.

Corporate greed and legalized bribery are things that many right leaning swing voters could get on board with if they could ever see through the smokescreen; their Party is being bought and paid for by Corporations and the only thing better about the only other Party is that not 100 percent of them are, and a majority of Dems are willing to vote to change the laws that the SC has perverted on behalf of Corporate Super-Citizens.

#294 | Posted by Corky at 2022-04-21 08:22 PM | Reply

Suddenly repubs are going to pretend to care about corporate money in politics when disney only donates to democrats from now on.

#295 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-04-21 09:42 PM | Reply

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