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Thursday, May 05, 2022

Medication abortion - a two-drug combination that can be taken at home or in any location and is authorized for use in the first 10 weeks of pregnancy - has become more and more prevalent and now accounts for more than half of recent abortions in the United States. If the federal guarantee of abortion rights disappears, medication abortion would likely become an even more sought-after method for terminating a pregnancy - and the focus of battles between states that ban abortion and those that continue to allow it.

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"Given that most abortions are early and medication abortion is harder to trace and already kind of becoming the majority or preferred method, it's going to be a big deal," Mary Ziegler, a visiting law professor at Harvard, said. "It's going to generate a lot of forthcoming legal conflicts because it's just going to be a way that state borders are going to become less relevant."

But many conservative states have already begun passing laws to restrict medication abortion, including banning it earlier than 10 weeks' gestation and requiring patients to visit providers in person despite F.D.A. rules. Nineteen states ban the use of telemedicine for abortion. This year, Americans United for Life, an anti-abortion advocacy group, listed laws against medication abortion as first among the organization's "pressing priorities" for 2022.

"In the last year, Arizona, Arkansas, Indiana, Montana, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota and Texas have enacted state-level safeguards to stop mail-order abortion drugs, and the Tennessee Legislature recently sent such protections to Gov. Bill Lee," Mallory Carroll, an official with Susan B. Anthony List, an anti-abortion group, said. "In addition to creating health and safety standards, states are also increasing requirements for reporting complications from abortion drugs. We will be working with allies in additional states to tackle this growing public health threat."

Residents of states that would quickly ban all abortion methods if Roe were overturned - including Texas, Missouri, Utah and Tennessee - would be legally prohibited from having telemedicine abortion consultations from any location in their state, even if the doctor were located in a state with legal abortion. Such patients would have to travel to a state where an online, video or phone consultation is legal - the IP address of the computer or phone they were using would identify where they were located. Then, they would have to receive the pills by mail at an address in a state with legal abortion, even if it were a post office box or a hotel.

This is going to be so ugly as we watch Americans injecting their own personal religious and moral beliefs upon other Americans who've lived their entire reproductive lives with legal autonomy over their bodies as it regards whether or not to gestate fertilized eggs to their point of ex vitro viability. This is going to get so very corrosive of any sense of comity or unity, and it will be for the absolute worst of reasons.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-05 08:41 AM | Reply

This is going to be so ugly as we watch Americans injecting their own personal religious and moral beliefs

#1 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Putative beliefs.

Many of these people will get abortions for themselves or others if they need them.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-05 09:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"whether or not to gestate fertilized eggs to their point of ex vitro viability"

LOL...that's not how they're going to express themselves, however.

But you're right.....it's going to be ugly. Very ugly.

Corporate America and Congress probably loves it. Nobody is paying attention to what they're up to right now.

#3 | Posted by eberly at 2022-05-05 09:36 AM | Reply

Same response here answers every other response regarding this leak...the states will decide. If you have an opinion that is so detrimental to your way of life, there will be states you can move to that allow it. That's what the US was built on.

#4 | Posted by humtake at 2022-05-05 12:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Not just the abortion pill, but they'll be going after Plan B and hormonal birth control. According to Alito's insane rantings, gay marriage, ------, and interracial marriage are not actually rights and will be targets of the Reich in the next few years. Dems MUST win in November, mainly in PA and WI, where both Dem Senate candidates are on the record for a voting rights carve-out to the filibuster. I'm sure they would also favor one for choice and hopefully for expanding the court; America cannot be allowed to be ruled by an activist 30% minority, which is exactly what's happening with SCOTUS.

#5 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2022-05-05 12:30 PM | Reply

Some battleground in the near future is becoming more and more likely to be an actual battleground.

#6 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2022-05-05 12:43 PM | Reply

Drug cartels from Mexico and Triads from China will smuggling in knock-off imitations of the pills in no time. Bigger than fentanyl.

#7 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-05-05 12:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Personally if the youngsters let this happen then phuquum. Seriously! This is THEIR rights at stake. Unlike when it was initially passed paternity was a lot harder to prove and men were let slide A LOT. Not so any more. Men should be upset about this as much as anyone. They will be compelled to have children they don't want.

#8 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2022-05-05 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Abortion pills.

Then....

Birth control pills

then

birth control.

This nation is heading back into the dark ages because land has more political power than individuals.

#9 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-05-05 01:25 PM | Reply

This is going to be so ugly as we watch Americans injecting their own personal religious and moral beliefs upon other Americans

Going to?

It's already here.

My wife and I had a non-viable pregnancy about a year ago that we opted to end pharmacologically via medical abortion.

In order to get the meds we were subjected to a lecture by the pharmacist about how these meds are used for abortions which is the ending of a human life blah blah blah.

One of the --------- weeks of our life together was made that much worse by some self-righteous ------- Republicans in my -------- red state who feel no empathy and have no problems rubbing salt into fresh wounds to please their sky daddy myths.

To the pharmacist's credit she apologized profusely afterwards and explained she was mandated by state law to read that to us. She didn't want to do it either.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-05 01:45 PM | Reply

#10 Sorry about the ---- shaming.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-05 01:49 PM | Reply

One of the --------- weeks of our life together was made that much worse by some self-righteous ------- Republicans

This is what Republicans fail to understand. They act like women are getting abortions for recreation, when in reality it is typically one of the most difficult and profoundly sad experiences in a woman's entire life. Because Republicans are generally sociopathic, amoral ----- who lack empathy almost entirely, and assume that other people are as terrible as they are.

I'm sorry to hear this happened to you and hope you and your wife have recovered.

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-05 01:57 PM | Reply

"They act like women are getting abortions for recreation, when in reality it is typically one of the most difficult and profoundly sad experiences in a woman's entire life"

Especially late term abortion.
I've made this comment here repeatedly over the years, and Republicans repeatedly ignore it.

They are heartless.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-05 01:59 PM | Reply

Republicans know plenty of women who are on the pill for medical reasons, e.g. not just to avoid getting pregnant.

Women never tell Republicans these things because they know it will be held against them.

Just like women who have had abortions never tell Republicans about it.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-05 02:12 PM | Reply

I'm sorry to hear this happened to you and hope you and your wife have recovered.

#12 | POSTED BY JOE

We have, thank you.

The most eye opening part of the experience was the number of women who opened up about the fact that they had also suffered losses. Many (most?) more than one.

The number of people being subjected to this is potentially huge.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-05 02:15 PM | Reply

-Republicans represent plenty of women who are on the pill for medical reasons, e.g. not just to avoid getting pregnant.

ft

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2022-05-05 02:25 PM | Reply

and then they go right ahead and ---- 'em anyways, because that's what Republicants do, Beverly. Or haven't you been paying attention?

#17 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-05-05 02:29 PM | Reply

Best to you and the Mrs. JPW.

One huge fact that the anti-abortionists ignore is that likely more than 1/5 of all pregnancies end in miscarriage. IOW, the Big One himself/herself is the most prolific aborter on the planet.

About 10 to 20 percent of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. But the actual number is likely higher because many miscarriages occur very early in pregnancy - before you might even know about a pregnancy.

www.mayoclinic.org

So who exactly is going to determine the difference between a miscarriage and an abortion? And how many women are going to persecuted, if not prosecuted, should their bodies reject a zygote/fetus?

The possibilities for personal trauma are endless based on the zealotry alone. This is heartbreaking beyond comprehension.

#18 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-05 02:35 PM | Reply

"So who exactly is going to determine the difference between a miscarriage and an abortion?"

It's going to be determined by your net worth and your skin color.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-05 02:37 PM | Reply

Shouldn't there also be laws against Onanism?

Or would laws governing men's bodies be a bridge too far?

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-05 02:41 PM | Reply

If you still your seed that should be murder too.

#21 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-05 02:43 PM | Reply

Or would laws governing men's bodies be a bridge too far?

If men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.

#22 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-05 02:43 PM | Reply

So who exactly is going to determine the difference between a miscarriage and an abortion? And how many women are going to persecuted, if not prosecuted, should their bodies reject a zygote/fetus?

Since I predicted this issue wouldn't make it this far....I have no credibility.

But......you need a medical record to prove an abortion occurred instead of a DNC.

So we're back to the enforcement of the law....and how do you enforce it?

They're allowing for lawsuits in Texas which represents the enforcement mechanism of the law....but where is the criminal enforcement mechanism?

Barring medical records, how do you do it?

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2022-05-05 02:45 PM | Reply

Spill God damnit. This ------- phone.

#24 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-05 02:46 PM | Reply

thank you for sharing, JPW.

#25 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-05-05 02:46 PM | Reply

Barring medical records, how do you do it?

The vigilante law they're already talking about. Suing people for 10,000 dollars.

#26 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-05-05 02:50 PM | Reply

But......you need a medical record to prove an abortion occurred instead of a DNC.

So we're back to the enforcement of the law....and how do you enforce it?

There won't be medical records of abortions if they're banned. And what about pharmaceutical abortions? What about pills that don't come from a provider who can be compelled to share data with American law enforcement?

In my opinion, it will be enforced by self-appointed snoops and ne'er-do-wells injecting themselves into the personal lives of others in service of their religious agendas. And these same groups will pressure police and prosecutors to follow the letter and intent of both the existent and anti-abortion upcoming laws.

#27 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-05 02:54 PM | Reply

So who exactly is going to determine the difference between a miscarriage and an abortion?

A judge. That's like asking who will determine whether any other crime has been committed. Have you heard of the American court system?

#28 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-05 02:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I posted this yesterday and figure it is apropos

I can only relate an example from my own life. We had a miscarriage at 14 weeks that nearly cost my wife her life. Given the specifics of how it played out it could definitely have been interpreted as an at-home abortion-if we lived in a -------- state. I can only imagine the compounded pain we would have gone through if we had the abortion police show up at our door. I probably would have punched someone.
that nightmare is going to be reality for people.

#29 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-05 03:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Haven't shared this in a while, but many years ago my old girlfriend was pregnant, when she went to see the doctor to confirm the doctor noticed some problems with her whatever and recommended abortion and told her she's probably never able to have children.

Republicans would have it where she can't get an abortion even when her doctor recommends it.
Instead, she's supposed to run risk of death.
The fetus's life matters more than hers.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-05 03:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-There won't be medical records of abortions if they're banned

Even if there are medical records, how do you get them?

That will be another hurdle for republicans to get around in order to criminally enforce some law banning abortion.

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2022-05-05 03:09 PM | Reply

Even if there are medical records, how do you get them?
That will be another hurdle for republicans to get around in order to criminally enforce some law banning abortion.
#31 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2022-05-05 03:09 PM | FLAG:

Discover phase from suing?
Another terrible SCOTUS ruling?
Come on you think they're gonna get this close and not have a way to enforce this law?

DO YOU REALLY THINK ALITO GIVES A ---- ABOUT HIPAA COMPLIANCE?

#32 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-05-05 03:12 PM | Reply

"Even if there are medical records, how do you get them?"

You subpoena them as part of a criminal investigation.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-05 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I swear to God Eberly, you and jeff have to be told water is wet every single day.

#34 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-05-05 03:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Eberly has daughters of birthing person age, you'd think he'd take an actual interest in this topic...

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-05 03:17 PM | Reply

That will be another hurdle for republicans to get around in order to criminally enforce some law banning abortion.

This one's easy. Since the civil laws entail charges brought by the public, I'm sure that these laws will be amended where charged suspects will be compelled to undergo physical examinations to determine whether or not they've recently housed a zygote. In the service of the law, I'm sure this Court will sidestep the 4th Amendment protections since the courts will indeed issue warrants demanding compliance.

Next question.

#36 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-05 03:20 PM | Reply

Our attorney general in Kansas back around 10 years ago tried to get the courts to let him have the medical records regarding an abortion that was performed on a teenager that it was alleged she was raped.

The AG was going after the clinic because the law required the clinic to report the rape to law enforcement and they didn't report it.

So....the AG (an admitted pure anti-abortion soldier) is claiming he's trying to prosecute a rape...not go after an abortion performed on a minor.

the courts told him to F off and he was later pursued for ethics violations related to that whole thing.

This is why I'm curious as to the reality of trying to prosecute an illegal abortion without a medical record you can't have...and the privacy of medical records is a wholly separate and mutually exclusive issue that has to be dealt with if you intend on prosecuting abortions performed outside the law.

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2022-05-05 03:23 PM | Reply

"This is why I'm curious as to the reality of trying to prosecute an illegal abortion without a medical record you can't have"

So your expectation is abortion providers are going to just keep their doors open for business, despite abortion being illegal.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-05 03:25 PM | Reply

Wasn't that Phil Kline??

#39 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-05 03:27 PM | Reply

39

yes

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2022-05-05 03:30 PM | Reply

-So your expectation is abortion providers are going to just keep their doors open for business, despite abortion being illegal.

no.

And I agree with whoever upthread who said the GOP has thought of this already which is really why I'm asking.

What's their move on this part? I have no clue.

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2022-05-05 03:32 PM | Reply

-I swear to God Eberly,

calm down, little fella.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2022-05-05 03:33 PM | Reply

"And I agree with whoever upthread who said the GOP has thought of this already which is really why I'm asking."

^
You have a "voice" within the GOP, why don't you ask them?

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-05 03:34 PM | Reply

-I'm sure that these laws will be amended where charged suspects will be compelled to undergo physical examinations to determine whether or not they've recently housed a zygote.

You're sure?

That's what you're going with? You're sure? of that?

#44 | Posted by eberly at 2022-05-05 03:36 PM | Reply

Someone suspects Jane is pregnant, then Jane isn't pregnant. they take their suspicions to police. Police search Jane's internet history, track her phone, see she googled abortion. Voia! probably cause for invasive body search

#45 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-05 03:37 PM | Reply

"That's what you're going with? You're sure? of that?"

You were sure we'd never get here. Throw more stones, bitch.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-05 03:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-I'm sure that these laws will be amended where charged suspects will be compelled to undergo physical examinations to determine whether or not they've recently housed a zygote.
You're sure?
That's what you're going with? You're sure? of that?
#44 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Next time you get pulled over for drunk driving tell the cop you refuse to give blood

#47 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-05 03:38 PM | Reply

Ebs, I think that you keep ignoring that the people pushing these measures believe in their souls that women having abortions are murdering children.

Now, with that as a predicate, do you really think issuing a warrant for a physical examination to determine whether a felony murder has occurred won't happen or is a step too far?

#48 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-05 03:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Even if there are medical records, how do you get them?

That will be another hurdle for republicans to get around in order to criminally enforce some law banning abortion.
#31 | POSTED BY EBERLY

HIPAA already has an exception where disclosure of records is "required by law," which has been understood to mean court orders and judge-issued subpoenas since the law's inception. As someone who works in the insurance industry you should know this very basic fact, but nobody ever said you had a functioning brain.

#49 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-05 03:52 PM | Reply

-Ebs, I think that you keep ignoring that the people pushing these measures believe in their souls that women having abortions are murdering children.

I don't think I am. I completely agree that's what they believe in their souls.

-do you really think issuing a warrant for a physical examination to determine whether a felony murder has occurred won't happen or is a step too far?

I'm suggesting it might be a step too far if it involves the turning over of medical records without the patients consent (or death)

But I'm not certain about anything. I'm just tossing this out here for discussion.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2022-05-05 03:53 PM | Reply

-As someone who works in the insurance industry you should know this very basic fact,

You clearly don't understand my profession at all.

Not that you need to nor would I expect you to understand it.

I certainly don't think you're a -------- for not understanding the nuance or complexity of what I do for a living.

#51 | Posted by eberly at 2022-05-05 03:57 PM | Reply

I'm suggesting it might be a step too far if it involves the turning over of medical records without the patients consent (or death)

There won't be any medical records because medical abortions will be illegal. No one keeps evidence of a crime that will land you in jail. It's like implying that criminal drug dealers would keep sales records for the IRS when their business is 100% illegal.

The woman's body itself is the crime scene. A physical exam would be analogous to gathering evidence, if it indeed exists. This is crime investigation 101.

#52 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-05 04:01 PM | Reply

52

Okay...I see. I wasn't talking about a physical exam but since you brought it up, Will a physical exam conclude whether or not a mis-carriage occurred followed by a DNC procedure or an abortion procedure?

#53 | Posted by eberly at 2022-05-05 04:05 PM | Reply

I would test jury nullification.
I can't imagine getting 12 people to convict.

I don't care if a woman live streamed her abortion. I would vote not guilty.

#54 | Posted by bored at 2022-05-05 04:06 PM | Reply

Eberly,
All they need is a warrant or subpoena.

Bottom Line: Regardless of whether the patient is dead or alive, remember that the patient's medical information can still be PHI, subject to HIPAA and state laws. When in doubt whether a HIPAA exception applies, ask for a warrant or subpoena! waranch-brown.com

And in this case, they won't even need that, as both (1) and (2) below apply:

Q: Can the police get my medical information without a warrant?
A: Yes. The HIPAA rules provide a wide variety of circumstances under which medical information can be disclosed for law enforcement-related purposes without explicitly requiring a warrant.[iii] These circumstances include (1) law enforcement requests for information to identify or locate a suspect, fugitive, witness, or missing person (2) instances where there has been a crime committed on the premises of the covered entity, and (3) in a medical emergency in connection with a crime.[iv]
www.aclu.org

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-05 04:06 PM | Reply

Will a physical exam conclude whether or not a mis-carriage occurred followed by a DNC procedure or an abortion procedure?
#53 | POSTED BY EBERLY

The CPT codes in the medical record will indicate that.
Though I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Republicans demand a ------- inspection, Larry Nasser style, just to further punish the ----.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-05 04:07 PM | Reply

I'm suggesting it might be a step too far if it involves the turning over of medical records without the patients consent (or death)

Your "suggestion" is beyond retarded since judges routinely issue subpoenas for medical records that are relevant to pending litigation. And whether the abortion ban criminalizes the procedure or subjects the doctor/patient to a civil suit from bounty hunters, records related to the abortion will be relevant and will be obtained under existing law regardless of whether the patient consents.

You clearly don't understand my profession at all.

If you don't work on the medical side that's fine. But if you do, i'd suggest a refresher course :)

#57 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-05 04:08 PM | Reply

#52

Now to be clear in extension of Joe's points, if providers of medical abortions use normal healthcare facilities and equipment they may well indeed document tests or readings prior to performing a procedure. But it seems with near certainty that said records would be immediately destroyed once the visit concluded, and as a patient, I'd demand to witness that destruction before I left the facility.

Again, in these scenarios all of this would be illegal now. Normal protocols would no longer would be operative.

#58 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-05 04:09 PM | Reply

55

Good link. Thanks.

#59 | Posted by eberly at 2022-05-05 04:12 PM | Reply

Will a physical exam conclude whether or not a mis-carriage occurred followed by a DNC procedure or an abortion procedure?

I'm pretty sure that physical evidence of the uterus' state can be determinant of any recent housing of a fertilized zygote.

The CPT codes in the medical record will indicate that.

Again, I see zero chance that any medical abortion provider will be dumb enough to keep documentation of a felony.

But hey, what do I know?

#60 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-05 04:13 PM | Reply

HIPAA does not apply to ILLEGAL medical procedures.

#61 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-05 04:15 PM | Reply

60

can the examination determine if it was an abortion or a D&C?

Again, I see zero chance that any medical abortion provider will be dumb enough to keep documentation of a felony.

Depends on how they were paid. If it's a D&C then it's normally turned into insurance. Abortion? I would think not.

They'd be guilty of insurance fraud as well.

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2022-05-05 04:18 PM | Reply

#62

Ohmigod.... Insurance cannot cover a criminal action! If abortion is illegal, then everything involving it would be done in furtherance of a crime.

Abortion will be black market only Ebs. Who advertises that they commit crimes? What business takes a credit card for money laundering services?

If outlawed, abortion becomes a criminal act, it no longer will be a legal medical procedure performed under existent protocols and standards.

#63 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-05 04:23 PM | Reply

HIPAA does not apply to ILLEGAL medical procedures.

Not all bounty hunter systems will criminalize abortion. They can just create a civil cause of action and chase providers out of existence. But if HIPAA doesn't apply that creates an even stronger inference that any records *will* be accessible.

#64 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-05 04:24 PM | Reply

can the examination determine if it was an abortion or a D&C?

Gray area. To anti abortionists, a D&C would likely require copious documentation that it wasn't done as an intentionally abortive act. I honestly can't say how that would work.

And with anti abortion laws, I could see all doctors being required to disclose any and all pregnancies to the government anyway. These people are trying to close every conceivable door to selective termination of pregnancies. I put nothing past them in this regards.

#65 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-05 04:27 PM | Reply

#64

Sorry Joe, we've been talking on different tracks. My scenario is a full national ban of all abortions, which is the end goal of organized anti abortionists. They are already plotting to pass a federal law as soon as possible to do just that - which also lays bare the lie that they only seek to send abortion back to the states. They don't. They can't stand that blue states will keep abortion legal. They'll pass the antithesis of the abortion rights law the Dems don't have the votes to pass the nanosecond they control all three sectors of the federal government.

They'll nuke the filibuster before the next R President's boxes are even emptied in the White House.

#66 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-05 04:32 PM | Reply

Republicans Will Try To Ban Abortion Nationwide If Supreme Court Overturns Roe V. Wade, Report Reveals

#67 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-05 04:34 PM | Reply

From my, admittedly limited, experience a D&C is usually performed for an unviable fetus. So, it should be relatively easy to document that with pre-D&C ultrasounds

#68 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-05 04:40 PM | Reply

I realize this is a tad facetious, but if the religious whackos gain control they could try to outlaw ------------. Yes, yes, insane, I get it. BUT follow me here.

An abortion is the removal of a fertilized embryo or IOW the building block of a human being. It is not a human being, it is a potential human being.

Sperm and eggs are likewise building blocks of a potential human being.

Well, Truthhurts you say, therein lies the difference, a fertilized egg is a step beyond separate donors.

Well, true, I respond, BUT, there is always a BUT, strict religionists (ex. Roman Catholics of which I can speak with the most knowledge), strictly forbid ------------ outside of marriage. And strictly I say, in other words a mortal sin. Because religious whackos believe sex is ONLY for procreation and ONLY inside a marriage.

So, contraceptives, inter racial marriage, ------, homosexuality, are now back on the table since they are no longer inalienable rights.

Do you think it absurd that religious whackos would outlaw these activities? Remember 14 states STILL have anti------- laws on the books.

Do you think it is a stretch that religious whackos would use the precedent of protecting the building blocks of a human to expand that definition further? I don't especially when it could start with fertilization clinics.

Again, on the surface insane, but so was getting rid of the Freedom to Choose. ---- like this is now in the realm of possibility.

#69 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-05 04:53 PM | Reply

#69 Ted Cruz defended Texas ----- ban.
www.theguardian.com

#70 | Posted by bored at 2022-05-05 04:58 PM | Reply

#69

While I don't think there's enough energy to try and criminalize ------------, I've been blowing my horn all week that every other right that we tied to a right of privacy are absolutely in the religionist's crosshairs.

Gay marriage, interracial marriage, contraception, LGBTQ rights all are subject to the same cancellation under the rationale expressed by Alito in his draft decision regardless of how he tries to claim that it only applies to abortion.

This is only the first stone being cast. They're going to go after the entire artifice before they're done which is why this battle needs to be about establishing a Right to Privacy, and it must include both the right to practice and believe in religion privately along with the equal right to have no religious belief at all.

Abortion is only one brick. We need to protect the whole wall.

#71 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-05 05:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

While I don't think there's enough energy to try and criminalize ------------, I've been blowing my horn all week

Sorry, but that made me laugh.

#72 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-05 05:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

While I don't think there's enough energy to try and criminalize ------------

LOL

#73 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-05-05 05:12 PM | Reply

They can stop me from ------------ when they pry my penis from my cold dead hand

#74 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-05 05:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If Texas has a ----- ban how is he allowed into the state?

#75 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-05 05:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Truthhurts is the communism of ------------. 80+ Million dead.

#76 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-05-05 05:14 PM | Reply

If Texas has a ----- ban how is Cruz allowed into the state?

#77 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-05 05:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Truthhurts is the communism of ------------. 80+ Million dead.

#76 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2022-05-05 05:14 PM | FLAG:

And counting

#78 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-05 05:15 PM | Reply

Truth does hurt

#79 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-05 05:15 PM | Reply

Abortion is only one brick. We need to protect the whole wall.

#71 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

You want to see their goals look at the laws they are passing at the state level

They are targeting gay marriage trans and voting rights to start

#80 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-05 05:17 PM | Reply

If Texas has a ----- ban how is Cruz allowed into the state?

They only have a ban about using one, not electing one.

#81 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-05 05:19 PM | Reply

I find it hard to believe that Cruz is anti-disney. I mean if a rat and a dog hadn't ------, he would never have been born.

#82 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-05 05:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-05 05:26 PM | Reply

#68

A D&C (Dilation and Curretage) is the most common method of early abortion. This method is simple and considered the safest and most convenient way to end an early pregnancy. A D&C procedure is routine, considered safe and will not affect your ability to get pregnant in the future.

www.pilgrimmed.com

A D&C can be done due to a non-viable zygote, but by definition it is the earliest form of physical abortion regardless of reason. To anti abortionists, it IS abortion.

And let's not forget that many states are banning all abortions even for health reasons, ergo D&C's would be outlawed too.

#84 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-05 05:55 PM | Reply

This is why there is no compromising with the radical rightwing of the Republican party . Forget reasonable people agreeing on 1st trimester abortions are legal; 3rd trimester abortions are illegal except to save the life of the mother; and then let's work out some sort of compromise on when during the 2nd trimester abortion will be and then won't be legal. Oh, no, that's not good enough for them. The minute a sperm and egg unite is the minute they want to step in and impose their religiously dictated morality on the rest of us. And by the rest of us, I mean all the women in this country of child-bearing age. This SC ruling should it come to pass will just embolden them more, and we are already seeing signs that they won't be content with outlawing abortion in red states only.

#85 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-05 08:18 PM | Reply

Christian Taliban strikes once again. I really despise these hicks.

#86 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2022-05-06 01:28 PM | Reply

Looks like Tennessee already jumped on abortion pills

www.cnn.com

#87 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-06 02:47 PM | Reply

And when this is the Republican party, hell, the sky's the limit!

www.nbcnews.com

#88 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-06 03:04 PM | Reply

Nineteen states ban the use of telemedicine for abortion.

What's the point to having a law that can't be enforced? Providers could locate their services in other countries which don't give a damn about state laws. Furthermore, abortion pills shipped in non-descript boxes to a woman via the USPS is, I believe, beyond the reach of state laws.

There are laws on the books to prevent the sale and distribution of illegal drugs. It still happens. All these laws do is drive this business underground.

I guess we learned nothing from alcohol prohibition and the war on drugs.

#89 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2022-05-07 07:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I guess we learned nothing from alcohol prohibition and the war on drugs.

#89 | POSTED BY FEDUPWITHPOLS

Because the point is punishment, suppression, and pain.

There will be a cottage industry created in morning-after abortion drugs. Some will be wonderfully pure and effective and others will kill the woman that uses them.

The fascists will only care about the ones that are wonderfully effective.

#90 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-07 08:38 AM | Reply

#89

Add in VPN's and crypto and I could telemedicine with my next door neighbor and it would be pretty much untraceable. Sure the NSA might be able to trace all of it but a state government? Not freaking likely.

Although I wouldn't put it past republicans to try and compel the NSA to assist state governments in tracking their own citizens, instead of securing America from outside threats. Cause a woman trying to get an abortion is a much bigger threat than North Korean hackers.

#91 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2022-05-07 08:59 AM | Reply

"If men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."

So you're saying men can't get pregnant in 2022?

#92 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-05-07 09:34 AM | Reply

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#93 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-05-07 03:39 PM | Reply

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