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Friday, May 06, 2022

Michelle Goldberg: [T]he demise of Roe will exacerbate America's antagonisms, creating more furious legal rifts between states than we've seen in modern times.

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The GOP wants Civil War.

Storming The Capitol was a pretty big clue.
Majority of House GOP not certifying the election was another big clue.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-06 04:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is exactly what OBAMA wanted!
To destroy America as we have known it our entire lives

Just as I predicted

Nailed It, again

- - - jeffyjbellberly

#2 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-05-06 04:18 PM | Reply

The GOP wants Civil War:

He has called for public executions of government officials he sees as disloyal to former President Donald Trump. In a post in 2020, he urged law enforcement officers to disobey COVID-19 public-health orders from "tyrannical governors," adding: "We are on the brink of civil war." Whitehead also has a day job. He trains police officers around the United States.
drudge.com

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-06 04:19 PM | Reply

MFA:

The right won't be content to watch liberal states try to undermine abortion bans. As the draft of a forthcoming article in The Columbia Law Review puts it, "overturning Roe and Casey will create a novel world of complicated, interjurisdictional legal conflicts over abortion. Instead of creating stability and certainty, it will lead to profound confusion because advocates on all sides of the abortion controversy will not stop at state borders in their efforts to apply their policies as broadly as possible."

Experts don't know how these kinds of interstate battles are going to play out because there's so little precedent for them. If you're searching for close parallels, said Ziegler, "you're looking at fugitive slave cases, because there are not many times in history when states are trying to tell other states what to do in this way." The point is not that abortion bans are comparable to slavery in a moral sense, but that they create potentially irreconcilable legal frameworks.

Conservatives, of course, have a plan for reconciling clashing abortion laws--a federal abortion ban. Speaking to NBC News this week, Senator Kevin Cramer of North Dakota said he was concerned about women traveling across state lines to get abortions. "I don't find a lot of solace in that just because it didn't happen in my state," he said. "So yeah, I think you could expect that pro-life activists would push for federal protections." According to The Washington Post, Joni Ernst, a Republican senator from Iowa, plans to introduce a bill to ban abortion after six weeks.

It won't pass as long as Democrats are in control, but at some point, there will almost certainly be a Republican president and a Republican Congress. It's easy to imagine conservative activists demanding that their leaders jettison the filibuster in order to push through a national abortion ban. It's hard to imagine the Republican senators who've defended the filibuster putting procedural principle above one of their base's most cherished goals.


And this is just what will happen with regard to abortion. Just wait until the GOP, egged on by their religious right base, starts going after another one of "Satan's crown jewels": gay marriage.

#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-06 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I just do not believe that Alito and the rest of his crew understand just how explosive they have made an already dangerous situation. As a nation, we are ready to blow.

#5 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-05-06 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I just do not believe that Alito and the rest of his crew understand just how explosive they have made an already dangerous situation.

#5 | POSTED BY MODER8

Maybe. Or more likely they are just arrogant and mean.

No one will obey Supreme Court decisions made by people like this. At the very least we'll have a nationwide wave of passive-aggressive behavior that will astonish, but there will also be active and clever resistance.

A thousand ways will be found to get around this abortion ban. The enemy will also find a thousand ways to punish us.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-06 04:25 PM | Reply

"The GOP wants Civil War"

Yes:

Pennsylvania US Senate candidate Dr. Mehmet Oz--who once endorsed red flag laws and called for an end to the ban on CDC funding for gun violence research--now says he supports gun violence against members of an "overly intrusive government."
twitter.com

What mystifies me is that they don't see themselves as the ones who want an "overly intrusive government."

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-06 04:26 PM | Reply

They are already amping up the 2nd amendment rhetoric as if these state anti-abortion laws are being instituted by Republicans and only Republicans.

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-06 04:30 PM | Reply

Too late. Fat Tard-Boy did that already. Wonder how much Russia paid Alito?

#9 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-05-06 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wonder how much Russia paid Alito?

#9 | POSTED BY LEGALLYYOURDEAD

Quite a good question.

Now that the Supreme Court has finally drowned its own reputation in a bathtub, time to take the microscope to these very ordinary people.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-06 04:39 PM | Reply

The Death of Roe Is Going to Tear America Apart

The GOP is giddy with glee over that.

They'd love another chance to rehash "the lost cause."

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-07 12:21 AM | Reply

Drama queen central!

#12 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-07 01:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The news is so dramatic. I hear the word "fight" 100 times a night and then they report on how the country is tearing apart.

#13 | Posted by Brennnn at 2022-05-07 05:22 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

... but at some point, there will almost certainly be a Republican president and a Republican Congress.

With draconian policies such as a ban on abortion, the likely hood of republicans controlling the Congress and WH any time soon diminishes as women in their child bearing years (and the men who love them) come to realize what republicans and conservatives have taken from them.

There is a reason that republicans abandoned their platform for the 2020 election and why Moscow Mitch refuses to state what policies republicans would implement if given control of the senate. It's also the same reason that Rick Scott, senator from Florida, came under intense pressure for stating a tax policy that republicans should run on for the 2022 elections. That reason? Republican policies suck. Republican office holders don't want republican voters to know what they are voting for. IOW: Just keep republican voters in the dark and feed them bulls..t.

Now that republicans are trying to appeal to the "working class", they are going to have to deliver for that "working class". Appealing only to their xenophobia is not a long term strategy. They will have to deliver substantive remedies for the issues that affect them. Elected republicans instinctively know this which is why many try to take credit for Biden's infrastructure bill which they didn't vote for.

And here is a special shout out to men that expect to abandon their responsibilities to children that they have fathered. What do you think the legal system is going to do to you when women can no longer get abortions and all of the babies resulting from a no abortion policy need support?

#14 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2022-05-07 06:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#14
Terrific post. On the last paragraph, though, if it's Republikans passing the laws the guys should be able to evade and delay. These are guy laws made mostly by guys as weaponry to use against the women of whom they are so terribly afraid.

#15 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-05-07 07:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Colbert is a good enough liar as based on the article. Pro lifers far outnumber the baby killers every poll shows that. The interesting part is the states passing their own laws on abortion will make the blue states even worse hell holes as all the baby killers and their sycophants rush to move there.

#16 | Posted by Gtjr at 2022-05-07 08:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

#16 | Posted by Gtjr

Yer funny, dude.

#17 | Posted by Angrydad at 2022-05-07 09:04 AM | Reply

Pro lifers far outnumber pro-choice (FTFY), every poll shows that

#16 | POSTED BY GTJR

You people lie even when you know that everyone knows you are lying, including you.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-07 09:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#16 | POSTED BY GTJR AT

In all seriousness, what's your point? Why this insistent need to lie in order to get what you want?

I think I answered my own question.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-07 09:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oddly, The GOP was so set against impeaching and convicting fmr Pres Trump because, they asserted, to do so would increase the divisions within an already too-divided Country.

Now the GOP seems to be moving full speed into doing exactly what they said they did not want to do --- increase the divisions within the Country.

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-07 10:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

AP-NORC poll: Most say restrict abortion after 1st trimester
apnews.com

...A solid majority of Americans believe most abortions should be legal in the first three months of a woman's pregnancy, but most say the procedure should usually be illegal in the second and third trimesters, according to a new poll....

The new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research finds 61% of Americans say abortion should be legal in most or all circumstances in the first trimester of a pregnancy. However, 65% said abortion should usually be illegal in the second trimester, and 80% said that about the third trimester....


#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-07 11:27 AM | Reply

Pro lifers far outnumber the baby killers every poll shows that.

These idiots always convince themselves they're the majority.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-07 11:32 AM | Reply

"...A solid majority of Americans believe most abortions should be legal in the first three months of a woman's pregnancy, but most say the procedure should usually be illegal in the second and third trimesters, according to a new poll...."

We could have done that under the old Supreme Court opinions.

But not under Alito's draft.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-07 11:48 AM | Reply

In pandering to the religious zealots the GOP has cornered itself.

What should have been a major win given the amount of political play abortion gets isn't being talked about at all because it's actually a major issue for a small minority of religious loons.

Which is why it was likely leaked by a right leaning justice. They're the proverbial dog chasing a car who caught one and now don't know what to do with it.

So they manufacture a controversy to paint the libruls in an evil light (laughable given their continued support of Trump) and take the heat off of them for blatantly contradicting the will of a large majority of Americans.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-07 11:52 AM | Reply

Mostly because it was done by an illegitimate court that has been stolen to cater to an insane minority.

They're vanilla ISIS, forcing their religion on everyone.

When you get an oppressive minority in power, get ready for your country to fall into third world status or civil war. Definitely kiss democracy goodbye and say hello to fascism. That's the only way for small groups to control large ones.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-07 04:09 PM | Reply

every poll shows that

#16 | POSTED BY GTJR

Every poll your universe of alternate facts.

Why lie when your lies are so easily debunked?

Broad support for abortion rights: Gallup polls show Americans' support for abortion in all or most cases at 80% in May 2021, only sightly higher than in 1975 (76%), and the Pew Research Center finds 59% of adults believe abortion should be legal, compared to 60% in 1995"though there has been fluctuation, with support dropping to a low of 47% in 2009.

The share of Americans in Gallup's poll who say abortion is morally acceptable reached a record high of 47% in May, up from a low of 36% in 2009, and a Quinnipiac poll found support for abortion being legal in all or most cases reached a near-record high in September with 63% support.

www.forbes.com

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-07 04:33 PM | Reply

Re 16

Every poll in your universe of "alternate facts" ...

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-07 04:35 PM | Reply

This libbie administration has been tearing America apart since inception -- so what else is new....

#28 | Posted by MSgt at 2022-05-07 06:24 PM | Reply

How do you idiots say such nonsense and keep a straight face?

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-07 11:59 PM | Reply

No, no civil war, we just need to be separated like the founding fathers intended.

The states were intended to be autonomous, because our founders realized that we had different cultures.

We just need for you liberals to stay where you are and stop trying to bring your liberalness to conservative areas. That would solve everything.

That's why abortion went back to the states as it should.

Most of you liberals are just upset you cant come to a conservative area and be liberal in it. Leave us alone, we will leave you alone.

Stay in your crime infested, crowded liberal utopias.

#30 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-08 09:10 AM | Reply

Interesting, that blather about "separated like the founding fathers intended."

Your position - if details about your background you've repeatedly hauled out to put on display here are accurate - would almost certainly have let you count, for purposes of representation, as 3/5 of an actual person and a nonperson for purposes of actually having a vote.

That would be "like the founding fathers intended."

Be careful what you yearn for.

#31 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-05-08 09:25 AM | Reply

Nothing says "conservative" more than removing Rights directly from the majority of people in a nation while insisting Rights don't come from the government.

#32 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-08 09:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We just need for you liberals to stay where you are

#30 | POSTED BY BOAZ A

That would be Texas for me.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-08 09:32 AM | Reply

Leave us alone, we will leave you alone.

#30 | POSTED BY BOAZ

So, when one of "your" women travels to California for a legal abortion, you'll just let her slide?

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-08 09:33 AM | Reply

BOAZ is worried about something. Something has made him very upset. Interesting given that his side is about to win a huge victory. Kind of like he's disturbed there's been some reaction to it.

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-08 09:35 AM | Reply

#35
Evidently, those cracks running across his personal highway of life are indicative of a particularly nasty bit of reality: being accepted as a token by your neighbors for purposes of tokenism can make for some pretty rough psychology for those so tokened.

#36 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-05-08 09:47 AM | Reply

Must be that time of the month for Boaz.

#37 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-08 09:47 AM | Reply

Must be that time of the month for Boaz.

It's always that time of month for Boaz.

With him, it's perpetual evidently.

#38 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-08 09:51 AM | Reply

I stand corrected Tony. You're right.

#39 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-08 09:54 AM | Reply

No law is "pro-life" if that law prioritizes the life of an unviable fetus over a healthy woman.

#40 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-08 10:33 AM | Reply

Stay in your crime infested, crowded liberal utopias.

#30 | POSTED BY BOAZ

worldpopulationreview.com

Here are the 10 states with the highest homicide rates:

Louisiana (12.4 per 100,000 people)
Missouri (9.8 per 100,000 people)
Nevada (9.1 per 100,000 people)
Maryland (9 per 100,000 people)
Arkansas (8.6 per 100,000 people)
Alaska (8.4 per 100,000 people)
Alabama (8.3 per 100,000 people)
Mississippi (8.2 per 100,000 people)
Illinois (7.8 per 100,000 people)
South Carolina (7.8 per 100,000 people)

States with the Highest Crime Rates
District of Columbia
New Mexico
Alaska
Louisiana
South Carolina

#41 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-08 10:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Boaz, do you believe that the federal government should protect all citizen's inalienable rights, like, say, right to bear arms or freedom of speech?

#42 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-08 10:39 AM | Reply

Must be that time of the month for Boaz.

#37 | Posted by LauraMohr

Unlike you, Laura, I know men cant have periods.

#43 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-08 11:00 AM | Reply

Boaz, do you believe that the federal government should protect all citizen's inalienable rights, like, say, right to bear arms or freedom of speech?

Those two things are in our constitution.

#44 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-08 11:00 AM | Reply

Boaz, do you believe that there are rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution that its citizens have? Keep in mind the 9th Amendment

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

#45 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-08 11:07 AM | Reply

Unlike you, Laura, I know men cant have periods.

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2022-05-08 11:00 AM | REPLY

You act as if You're on a perpetual period so I beg to differ.

#46 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-08 11:10 AM | Reply

If so, do you believe the federal government has to protect those unenumerated rights AND privileges and immunities per the 14th Amendment? Given the 14th Amendment states:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Keep in mind that privileges and immunities is broader than rights

#47 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-08 11:11 AM | Reply

Not just the 14th Amendment, but also the 9th:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
It's so funny that those who've preached from the mountaintops that citizens are imbued with God-given natural rights all of a sudden claim that government itself must bestow personal rights pertaining to a woman's right to choose what she does with her own body.

#48 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-08 11:22 AM | Reply

#48 - Exactly right, Tony.

#49 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-08 11:23 AM | Reply

48

Well, there is some logic to curtailing a woman's Freedom to Choose that contravene the 9th Amendment, however, that must assume that the fetus has its own independent rights. Then you must balance those rights.

That is where we are now.

However, if you assume that a fetus has rights, that requires the government to protect those rights. So, it follows, every single miscarriage must be investigated as a crime against a person with rights.

#50 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-08 11:32 AM | Reply

Keep in mind the 9th Amendment

Unfortunately the 9th Amendment is malleable, and undefined, leaving unenumerated rights, unresolved.

If you accept the 9th Amendment, then you accept the proposed SCOTUS ruling changing the Courts as the one defining the right. Why? Because its not defined how unenumerated rights get determined.

State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property,

For abortion, the question is when does "life" begin, as I stated it begins when the Zygote attaches to the uterine wall. So when does the unborn receive due process? Or Equal protection?

#51 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-05-08 11:34 AM | Reply

#49

The is one of the chief underlying principles upon which stare decisis is based. When a constitutional republic's citizens have long lived under a rule of law that actually enhances personal freedoms and liberty, that reality has created a defacto unenumerated right in both the minds and actions of its citizens.

To ignore that precedence in service of a religious-based belief (arguably violating 1st Amendment protections as well) not held by a majority of the citizens is the very type of action our system was designed to keep from happening. And when those seeking to affect such stark and drastic change base their actions upon histories where neither women or minorities held any of the rights given the men in power, any such decision is not based on rationality or supported by constitutional logic. Said decision is based on the misogynistic and bigoted retelling of history dressed up in sophistic language that doesn't begin to hide it's hegemonic intent.

#52 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-08 11:40 AM | Reply

Boaz seems stuck on the existence of unenumerated rights. This is the biggest implication of Alito's decision. As disgusting and impactful as overturning Roe is, the implications that abortion is not an unenumerated right because it is not in the Constitution is huge. Especially since abortion existed at the time of our nation's founding and should be considered an inherent right.

However, think of the things that did NOT exist at the time of our nation's founding-gay marriage, interracial marriage. Homosexual acts were illegal. Public education while it did exist was not universal. Second languages were not protected by law. Contraception, while not restricted until the 20th century is not specifically mentioned, though the argument could be made that contraception existed in the 18th century.

If you don't think those issues aren't being targeted you are seriously naive. State's are passing laws on this left and right.

#53 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-08 11:43 AM | Reply

However, if you assume that a fetus has rights, that requires the government to protect those rights.

Muslim textual history shifts the balance of this equation to the mother's side since she likely influences and affects the lives of others simply through her existence, unlike any individual fetus.

They use the terminology of seeking to serve the greater good. Any outright ban of choice would do just the opposite.

#54 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-08 11:45 AM | Reply

For abortion, the question is when does "life" begin, as I stated it begins when the Zygote attaches to the uterine wall. So when does the unborn receive due process? Or Equal protection?

That's what you said, which means zero. That doesn't even mean pregnancy according to the ACOG. If you want to believe that, then feel free not to have an abortion. You have no right to make others obey your beliefs. BTW not even the Bible agrees with you on that, not that anyones religion should have anything to do with the law.

However, if you assume that a fetus has rights, that requires the government to protect those rights. So, it follows, every single miscarriage must be investigated as a crime against a person with rights.

It's been happening and it's going to get far, far worse:
www.bbc.com

#55 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-08 11:47 AM | Reply

#55

Not enough people have figured this out yet, but the 1st Amendment protections are likely the strongest and most effective ways to overrule upcoming anti-abortion laws. Every single restriction is not based on science, they're based on the religious beliefs of their proponents - ergo, subjecting everyone to the religious tenets of a few.

I just do not see any way that the anti-abortion judges can square this circle when all of them are on the record stating that their religious backgrounds and personal religious beliefs have brought them to their conclusion that abortion should be illegal.

#56 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-08 11:53 AM | Reply

I just do not see any way that the anti-abortion judges can square this circle when all of them are on the record stating that their religious backgrounds and personal religious beliefs have brought them to their conclusion that abortion should be illegal.

#56 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Then you are being naive. Anti-abortion judges can square the circle with any illogical argument they choose and will be backed up by the SC which did that exact thing.

#57 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-08 11:54 AM | Reply

That is what Alito has done. Having been deeply religious at one time in my life, let me assure you there is no problem rationalizing a belief and having it drive the reasoning to make the "law" conform to that belief. I worked with a PhD that was remarkably capable of dismissing and recasting all evidence that the Earth was not 10,000 years old, but billions of years old, to maintain his creationist belief.

#58 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-08 12:02 PM | Reply

" So, it follows, every single miscarriage must be investigated as a crime against a person with rights"

" Every menstrual pad a murder scene!"
~Today's Republicans

#59 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-08 12:27 PM | Reply

It's a crime that the author of post #30 is allowed to vote.

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-08 12:36 PM | Reply

#57, 59

As I mentioned previously, the anti abortionists do not have science on their sides, only religion.

About 10 to 20 percent of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. But the actual number is likely higher because many miscarriages occur very early in pregnancy " before you might even know about a pregnancy.

www.mayoclinic.org

Scientific reality is going to make any attempts to completely ban abortion unworkable. Nature already aborts 1/5 of all fertilized zygotes as it is. Religious dogma is not going to get around this and woman who themselves are 100% against abortion will undoubtedly get caught up in any enforcement efforts pertaining to miscarriages.

#61 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-08 12:36 PM | Reply

as I stated it begins when the Zygote attaches to the uterine wall.

Categorically false.

#62 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-08 12:37 PM | Reply

"It's a crime that the author of post #30 is allowed to vote."

Really?

Aren't you a progressive?

Isn't the progressive position that it shouldn't be a crime for anyone to vote?

#63 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-08 02:21 PM | Reply

I guess maybe I misspoke. The progressive position is that those who vote progressive should be allowed to vote. But it should be a crime for non-progressives to vote.

#64 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-08 02:22 PM | Reply

And why do any of you care if Mississippi bans abortions? I feel like they will always be readily available in California.

#65 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-08 02:23 PM | Reply

And how many of you would be throwing a fit if Mississippi decided to ban alcohol?

Would your response be similar?

#66 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-08 02:24 PM | Reply

And why do any of you care if Mississippi bans abortions? I feel like they will always be readily available in California.

#65 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

It's called empathy, I wouldn't expect you to understand.

#67 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-08 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And how many of you would be throwing a fit if Mississippi decided to ban alcohol?
Would your response be similar?

#66 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Would banning alcohol relegate women to second class citizens?

#68 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-08 02:25 PM | Reply

Are they only banning alcohol for women?

#69 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-08 02:26 PM | Reply

why do any of you care if Mississippi bans abortions? I feel like they will always be readily available in California.

This is the kind of logic that says, homeless people would be living like kings in Honduras.

Thanks for your participation.

You can see yourself out.

#70 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-08 02:28 PM | Reply

But it should be a crime for non-progressives to vote.

Name one piece of legislation put forth to target non-progressives to take away their rights to vote as they feel.

First and foremost, progressives love to spew hyperbole with no intent in trying to actualize any such position through law. The same cannot be said about conservatives.

For every argument that progressives make to try and make voting easier, each and every action will also help conservatives vote with less restrictions, especially those not as politically engaged as base voters. Progressives know this. Mail in voting has historically skewed toward the benefit of GOP candidates up until Covid hit before the 2020 elections. Dems did not make unfounded fraud claims about mail-in ballots nor did they attempt to delegitimize the process nor those elected by it.

#71 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-08 02:30 PM | Reply

The progressive position is that those who vote progressive should be allowed to vote.

I love how you have to remain in a fantasy world.

Meanwhile. In the real world.

Conservatives have passed a litany of laws to prevent democrats from voting and accessing voting stations.

But sure. Keep pretending progressives are bad. It's all you got.

Doesn't matter to you what happens in America anyways.

You're not an American.

#72 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-08 02:32 PM | Reply

"Name one piece of legislation put forth to target non-progressives to take away their rights to vote as they feel."

The Thirteenth Amendment took away their right to own slaves.

Checkmate, TonyRoma. Take the L and move on.

Signed,
JeffringerJ

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-08 02:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You act as if You're on a perpetual period so I beg to differ.

#46 | Posted by LauraMohr

I cant remember if you are 50 or not, but dont forget to get your prostrate checked..

#74 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-08 03:13 PM | Reply

Pro lifers far outnumber pro-choice (FTFY), every poll shows that
#16 | POSTED BY GTJR

Even if that were true (it's not, you stupid ----), conservatives are always wetting the bed over "mob rule" any time someone points out they are driving the bus from the ideological back seat.

#75 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-08 03:16 PM | Reply

This libbie administration has been tearing America apart since inception -- so what else is new....

#28 | Posted by MSgt

Yeah remember when they tried overthrow democracy because a con man told them to?
What a discusting move from this libbie administration.

#76 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-08 03:33 PM | Reply

I cant remember if you are 50 or not, but dont forget to get your prostrate checked..

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2022-05-08 03:13 PM | REPLY

Jesus Christ. Leave my hiney out of your mind. Unless you want to do something with it then don't just talk about it. DO IT.

#77 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-08 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#77 post of the year!!!

#78 | Posted by bruceaz at 2022-05-08 04:07 PM | Reply

#77,

Sound salty?

#77 post of the year!!!

You have low expectations.

#79 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-08 04:32 PM | Reply

I certainly do, lol.

Admit it, she got you.

I always come to the DR for high expectations

Most common Boaz quote of late

Go ---- yourself

Not exactly William Safire

#80 | Posted by bruceaz at 2022-05-08 04:39 PM | Reply

Me salty?? Nahhhhhh. I thought you was supposed to provide the salt dear.

#81 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-08 04:40 PM | Reply

Bo@ss is an intolerant, ignorant, and impotent loser who wants to be left alone to tell everyone else what to do.

#82 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-05-08 05:32 PM | Reply

And why do any of you care if Mississippi bans abortions?
#65 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You a priori cannot understand the notion of caring about conplete strangers.

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-08 07:16 PM | Reply

"why do any of you care if Mississippi bans abortions?"

How far would someone, middle-class by Hatian standards, have to drive to get a legal abortion?

#84 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-08 07:30 PM | Reply

"It's called empathy, I wouldn't expect you to understand."

Empathy for who?

You don't seem to empathize with the opponents of abortion.

And like I said, how would Mississippi banning abortion within the state affect one's ability to receive one in another state?

#85 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-09 01:44 PM | Reply

"Would banning alcohol relegate women to second class citizens?"

No. But neither would a state banning abortion.

And this isn't only a woman thing. It takes a man to conceive as well. Does that man have a say in whether a woman can get an abortion?

#86 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-09 01:46 PM | Reply

"Meanwhile. In the real world. Conservatives have passed a litany of laws to prevent democrats from voting and accessing voting stations."

Really?

There are laws that prevent Democrats from voting?

Like, in order to vote you have to prove that you are not a democrat?

#87 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-09 01:48 PM | Reply

And this isn't only a woman thing. It takes a man to conceive as well. Does that man have a say in whether a woman can get an abortion?

POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2022-05-09 01:46 PM | REPLY

No

#88 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-09 01:49 PM | Reply

" Does that man have a say in whether a woman can get an abortion?"

Depends.

Does the woman get to decide who carries it?

#89 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-09 02:11 PM | Reply

"You a priori cannot understand the notion of caring about conplete strangers."

I'm not sure what you mean. Do you not care about complete strangers by not demanding that the federal government ensure the availability of alcohol across all 50 states?

How about guns?

#90 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-09 02:37 PM | Reply

"No"

Then why would men be on the hook to pay for the baby if the woman wanted to keep it and the man didn't?

#91 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-09 02:38 PM | Reply

"Does the woman get to decide who carries it?"

I'm not sure what you mean? Like have the fetus transferred to another carrier?

I suppose if that's a thing, then yes.

What I don't understand is equating the overturning of R V. W with a ban on abortion or an attack on women's right. In fact I would submit that abortion laws affect fathers as mothers. But in this case, It's not really a ban. At worst, it's a denial of convenience.

But feel free to prove me wrong.

#92 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-09 02:41 PM | Reply

And like I said, how would Mississippi banning abortion within the state affect one's ability to receive one in another state?

#85 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

1. It adds expense to the process.
2. That expense could be prohibitive
3. States may and likely will pass laws prohibiting traveling to other states for abortion.

#93 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-09 02:58 PM | Reply

"It's called empathy, I wouldn't expect you to understand."
Empathy for who?
You don't seem to empathize with the opponents of abortion.

Empathy for the victims of self-righteous arrogant religious people inflicting their beliefs on other people. Victims whose rights will be stripped from them and possibly their lives taken from them

I can understand the opponents of abortion, but I cannot share those feelings, because I care about people whose rights will be restricted and whose lives will be disrupted or even taken from them.

#94 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-09 03:01 PM | Reply

"Would banning alcohol relegate women to second class citizens?"
No. But neither would a state banning abortion.
And this isn't only a woman thing. It takes a man to conceive as well. Does that man have a say in whether a woman can get an abortion?

#86 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Forcing a woman to carry an unwanted fetus is the definition of becoming a second-class citizen. they no longer have control over their own bodies. That lack of bodily autonomy is limited to women who can bare children. therefore, that means they have less rights then men.

A man can advise but does not, nor should they, have veto power over what a woman does with their bodies. Until roe is overturned that was the case.

#95 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-09 03:04 PM | Reply

Then why would men be on the hook to pay for the baby if the woman wanted to keep it and the man didn't?
#91 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

They are on the "hook" because they contributed to the creation of a person. Thus they are responsible for that person. That responsibility does not arise from the women but from society's requirements.

#96 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-09 03:05 PM | Reply

What I don't understand is equating the overturning of R V. W with a ban on abortion or an attack on women's right. In fact I would submit that abortion laws affect fathers as mothers. But in this case, It's not really a ban. At worst, it's a denial of convenience.
But feel free to prove me wrong.

#92 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Equating RvW IS a ban on abortion as numerous states have trigger laws or existing laws that will go into effect once RvW is overturned. Those laws outlaw abortion.

You act like convenience is not a consideration. Travelling long distances (travel expenses, hotel stays, time off from work) is expensive. An expense that many women simply do not have money to cover. I believe over half of women who get abortions are at or below the poverty line. If you can't understand that that situation forces women to not be able to get an abortion, I don't know what to say.

Oh and the next step will be a nationwide ban on abortions-that is coming.

If you have to be educated on how restricting a women's bodily autonomy is an attack on their rights, I don't know what to say.

Yes men will be effected. Expect a few reactions to this in the long run-
1. like an increase in false rape allegations as women are forced to claim rape to get an abortion
2. men finding they are liable for child support for unwanted babies (babies neither they nor the mother wanted) men will not like that.

#97 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-09 03:15 PM | Reply

What I don't understand is equating the overturning of R V. W with a ban on abortion

You could save everyone a lot of time by admitting up front that you know next to nothing about this subject. This is an embarrassingly stupid thing to say.

#98 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-09 04:30 PM | Reply

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