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Monday, May 09, 2022

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has accused Russia of implementing "a bloody reconstruction of Nazism".

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Orca are orcs. The parallels Zelensky talks about are both horrifying and obvious.

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-05-08 12:06 PM | Reply

Ultra revanchist nationalism? Check.
Neighbors have no legitimate right to even exist? Check.
Stated goal to reconstitute a "lost empire"? Check.

#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-05-08 12:15 PM | Reply

The Ukraine war is a war over nothing but power.

#3 | Posted by fresno500 at 2022-05-08 12:27 PM | Reply

Most aggression involves issues of power. The kind of rampant inferiority complex and crippling insecurities afflicting Russia historically probably don't help.

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-05-08 12:35 PM | Reply

Propaganda involves lies and historical distortions.

Zelinsky is a Nazi stooge. He defends the killers of his own people. He's a corrupt oligarch and war monger. He should resign so a real peace lover can lead the Ukrainian's to Peace in our Time. Not prolong carnage for NATO. He's a fool.

#5 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-08 06:54 PM | Reply

"Zelinsky is a Nazi stooge."

I sure hope you're being paid to be that stupid. NOBODY should be that stupid for free.

#6 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-08 07:16 PM | Reply

It's a gift.

#7 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-08 07:35 PM | Reply

@#7 ... It's a gift. ...

It does seem to be more of an occupation.

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-08 08:29 PM | Reply

I wish. You want to pay me? I'm taking donations.

#9 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-08 08:35 PM | Reply

"Zelinsky is a Nazi stooge. He defends the killers of his own peopl HAgas murdered

Hey stupid....Zelenskyis fighting agaibat those qgo are myrdering Ukrainians. Upi are a payhetic tool of ihe Piyin lovers I mran, vime on you're still pretwnding Zelensky is the bad guy. I can only deduce one thing from yhis; you are just incredibly stupid,

#10 | Posted by danni at 2022-05-08 08:36 PM | Reply

@#9 ... I wish. You want to pay me?

Based upon the replies your current alias posts, I'd proffer that you are already being paid

But that you still need to ask for donations over and above what your alias may be paid is telling.


Rubles not worth much nowadays? Needing to branch out?


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-08 09:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's almost a shame I don't see what Poofty has to say. Almost.

#12 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-05-08 09:18 PM | Reply

#4 wars have been about land, "encroachment", trade.

This war is over none of that.

Just the west trying to take over the next domino.

This war is over nothing but power.

#13 | Posted by fresno500 at 2022-05-08 09:30 PM | Reply

Putout Putin seems terribly desperate. He knows that crowd of adoring Russki chauvinists could grow restless with all these shifting rationales and goals. But they are largely a group of weak people, so he's probably counting on that tat guarantee his physical survival. From his perspective, a sound bet.

All that ridiculous "anti-Nazi" rhetoric? Three words: Nazi-Soviet Pact.

#14 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-05-09 07:06 AM | Reply

The US State Dept loved Hitler right up to 1938. They saw him as a bulwark against The USSR. The German American Bund held huge rallies in NYC and Chicago. Pro Nazi sentiment was widespread in the US.

Russia is not the USSR. America now officially hates Hitler and everything he stood for.

The Ukraine OFFICIALLY loves Stepan Bandera and the Ukrainian collaborators that murdered Jews and Russians.

They have the only officially recognized NAZI regiment in their armed forces in the world.

Spin it all you want. The Ukraine has a big problem with Nazi influence in government and civil life. That's just the way it is.

Erecting huge statues in Kiev to known Nazi killers and honoring them by creating Nazi military units is a Ukrainian,not a Russian phenomenon.

Try to be a little more current in your assessment of just who's Nazi or not.

#15 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-09 10:43 AM | Reply

Derp! Derp! Derp! Nazi! Derp!
#15 | Posted by PootyFluffer

#16 | Posted by censored at 2022-05-09 11:08 AM | Reply

"Russia is not the USSR"

Not today. But that is exactly what Putin wants for tomorrow. But it will be called the Russian Empire.

And Putin will not get it. But many will suffer and die because of it.

Maybe putinposer should read up on the repressive society created by the former Soviet Union and Putin.

It is way worse than any rogue Nazi outfit in Ukraine

How many Russian civilians has the Ukrainians bombed and killed?

None.

Now how many civilians has Putin killed?

Thousands.

How many Russian cities have the Ukrainians bombed?

How many Ukrainian cities has Putin bombed?

And putinposer still can't tell who the real "Nazi" is?

That speaks volumes about him. Not the Ukrainians.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-09 11:34 AM | Reply

- The Ukraine has a big problem with Nazi influence in government and civil life. That's just the way it is.

Hilariously anti-factual.

Nazis are 1 percent of the vote in Ukraine elections, and .5 percent of the military.

They are more than that in this country.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-09 12:17 PM | Reply

"A statement signed by more than 300 historians who study genocide, Nazism and World War II said Putin's rhetoric about de-Nazifying fascists among Ukraine's elected leadership is "propaganda."

"We strongly reject the Russian government's cynical abuse of the term genocide, the memory of World War II and the Holocaust, and the equation of the Ukrainian state with the Nazi regime to justify its unprovoked aggression," the statement says.

"This rhetoric is factually wrong, morally repugnant and deeply offensive to the memory of millions of victims of Nazism and those who courageously fought against it, including Russian and Ukrainian soldiers of the Red Army."

www.factcheck.org

Not that facts matter to Putin's Propaganda Socks.

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-09 12:23 PM | Reply

How do you explain a 33 foot statue of Stepan Bandera. Erected in Kiev in 2019. We are tearing down statues of white supremicists. They are building monuments to Holocaust enabling murderers and collaborators. How does That fit your narrative of no Nazis in the Ukraine?

Why do they tolerate an openly Nazi unit in the military?

Their influence is far greater than the numbers you banter about. Numbers you can't prove anyway.

#20 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-09 12:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Their influence is far greater than the numbers you banter about. Numbers you can't prove anyway."

Then prove the numbers, comrade. Because the last election seems to prove the claim.

Link to whatever RT site you need.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-09 12:53 PM | Reply

"Why do they tolerate an openly Nazi unit in the military?"

Why do you openly tolerate Russia invading Ukraine?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-09 01:00 PM | Reply

Why do they tolerate an openly Nazi unit in the military?

Their influence is far greater than the numbers you banter about. Numbers you can't prove anyway.

#20 | Posted by Effeteposer

We have more nazis in our military than ukraine does.

The guy who said he's fighting nazis had to shut down the internet and take over all the tv station. Yet you still believe him. Because you either work for him or are an utter moron.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-09 01:00 PM | Reply

#20

Anecdote is evidence for the dim of mind.

But who to believe? The vast majority of historians expert in these subjects, or one of Vlad's ball washers?

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-09 01:06 PM | Reply

Spin it all you want. The Ukraine has a big problem with Nazi influence in government and civil life. That's just the way it is.

Erecting huge statues in Kiev to known Nazi killers and honoring them by creating Nazi military units is a Ukrainian,not a Russian phenomenon.

Try to be a little more current in your assessment of just who's Nazi or not.

#15 | Posted by Effeteposer

So do we.

But the MORE nazi side is the one that brainwashes it's entire country with lies by cutting off the internet and taking over all tv stations.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-09 01:25 PM | Reply

"The Ukraine has a big problem with Nazi influence in government and civil life. That's just the way it is."

Got any examples?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-09 01:27 PM | Reply

Big statues of killers in Kiev. Nobody is even addressing that little tidbit. I guess it's doesn't fit the image that's being portrayed. Why build big official statues of Nazi collaborators, if the government there is not Nazi influenced?

Got anything on that?

#27 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-09 01:53 PM | Reply

El Feet doesn't realize that Putout Putin's basic pitch these days is Hitler without a mustache, less hair, and much less military experience. In fact, it's possibly news to El Feet that the Nazis and Russians were buddies back in the day, as both ran roughshod across Europe, terrorizing their neighbors, slaughtering or enslaving millions.

It took more than one generation after WW2 for a lot of people not to start getting twitchy about putting weapons in the hands of German and Japanese forces, let alone for those countries to be allowed to even have militaries. In each case, Germany and Japan, there came a time of reckoning for the horrors of the national past. Not total reckonings, not perfect, but reckonings of a sort. People were required to account for their behavior. There was public awareness. There were consequences.

Not so in Russia. Yes, Stalin died, Beria was shot, Khrushchev gave the "Secret Speech," restrictions loosened somewhat, but there really was no exposure, no real accounting. Hence, no reckoning. Nothing to see here, move on.

So the behavioral and character flaws that allowed for the creation of a Russian-Nazi alliance back then also permit the enshrinement into the national system of those very same flaws.

Putin yammers incessantly about transforming Russia. Well, he already has. Just not in the way he had in mind.

In the spirit of George Santayana, those who cannot reckon with their past are held prisoner by it.

#28 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-05-09 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Big statues of killers in Kiev. Nobody is even addressing that little tidbit. I guess it's doesn't fit the image that's being portrayed. Why build big official statues of Nazi collaborators, if the government there is not Nazi influenced?

Got anything on that?

#27 | Posted by Effeteposer

There are statues of slave owners and slavery defending warriors in the south. Does that mean putin gets to invade us?

If there are really nazis, why isn't putin allowing independent media to prove it, instead of shutting down the internet and taking over all the tv stations?

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-09 02:01 PM | Reply

So, nothing about the Bandera shrines in the Ukraine? Just ignore them, they don't fit the narrative of plucky little freedom loving Ukraine. It's easy to seem pure when you ignore the obvious stains on the carpet.

#30 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-09 02:05 PM | Reply

It's easy to seem pure when you ignore the obvious stains on the carpet.

#30 | Posted by Effeteposer

It's easy to seem pure when you turn off the internet and take over all the tv stations.

Russia had to do that. Ukraine didn't.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-09 02:13 PM | Reply

The Ukraine has banned political parties, banned television stations, banned newspapers. They are the mirror image of Russia,not some land of freedom and pure thought. Zelinsky locks up political rivals.He did it even before the invasion.

How Zelinsky is seen as a lover of freedom is an example of limited dispersal of information and pure propaganda.

#32 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-09 02:28 PM | Reply

rofl!

Ukraine very reasonably during war time banned the party run by Putin's buddy.

An affront to his ball washers everywhere.

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-09 02:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Zelinsky banned eleven political parties. Not one. He effectively made himself dictator. Strict control over the media. No unauthorized reporting. Say what you want he's no different in behavior domestically than Putin. Long prison terms for saying the wrong things. Not to mention the Nazi thugs killing dissenters as traitors.

The Ukraine was always a divided country.There is no national concensus. Pretending otherwise is not making that true.

Why did they have a civil war if they're so unified?

Not everyone in the Ukraine wants NATO. What about them?

#34 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-09 02:44 PM | Reply

Effete serious question. Are you and Humtake?? Related?? You two go on and on spreading lies about everything and it just keeps getting worse and worse. Do you know what the truth is??

#35 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-09 02:52 PM | Reply

There was one party, small, but by far larger than the others, run by Russia.

You still sound like the Redneck blaming the woman who was raped for the short skirts she was wearing.

The only way you've ever been able to get attention here, troll, is by being the dumbest kid on the block.

#36 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-09 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think they've cut the hourly rate at the troll farm. That, or El Feet knows something about tomorrow's ruble rate the rest of us don't.

#37 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-05-09 02:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The Ukraine has banned political parties, banned television stations, banned newspapers. They are the mirror image of Russia,not some land of freedom and pure thought. Zelinsky locks up political rivals.He did it even before the invasion.

How Zelinsky is seen as a lover of freedom is an example of limited dispersal of information and pure propaganda.

#32 | Posted by Effeteposer

The ukraine has banned putin's puppet parties because they were foreign espionage operations. the USA would do the same if we were smart.

They did NOT have to take over all media like putin did. How come putin had to do that?

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-09 03:15 PM | Reply

#35 Do you? The truth about this war is very obscure. We know Putin sent in the military. We know it came after a long buildup and lots of offers to talk that were ignored or scorned.

We know NATO has not been the cavalry that Zelinsky was hoping for and expecting.

We know the US was involved in Ukrainian politics leading up to the Maiden Coup.

We know the US has been arming and training the Ukrainian's since 2014. That the Minsk accords were ignored and the Donbass shelled by Ukrainian militias for eight years.


Putin was baited and he bit.Dumb ------------.


But I believe the US State Department wanted him to bite.


Is this True? Tell me why not?

#39 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-09 04:59 PM | Reply

#35 Do you? The truth about this war is very obscure. We know Putin sent in the military. We know it came after a long buildup and lots of offers to talk that were ignored or scorned

Is this True? Tell me why not?

#39 | Posted by Effeteposer

We know one side had to shut down the internet and jails people for talking about it.

And that's the side you choose to defend because you're either a paid liar or total moron.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-09 05:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Or both! I'm voting for both.

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-09 06:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#39

There are two big things you consistently miss out on. First, the US is more of a bit player in what went on leading up to the invasion of Ukraine. In fact the most vocal supporters of Ukraine, and the most critical opponents of Russia, were those who had been slaves to either Imperial Russia or socialist Russia...the latter being a much harsher master than the former. And part of that was because Putin, in his revanchism, appears determined to reclaim what he sees as Russian property. And the Poles, and Romanians, and Czechs, and Slovaks, and Albanians, and the rest of Russia's former vassals...they want no part of it. You seem to be implying that they shouldn't have a say.

One of the memes that has been emerging in Putin's Russia is the notion of "We can do it again." The meaning appears to be that Russia could defeat Germany again, as well as conquer parts of it's former empire. There was also a Russian General who, several months ago responded to a reporter's inquiry about invading eastern Europe, stating that, if they did, they would stop when they got to Paris.

The other thing you miss is the will of the people of Ukraine. Because they're the ones who are fighting. The west could give them all the guns in the world, provide them with the best technology, and if they weren't willing to fight it would all be meaningless. We saw this in Afghanistan with the government forces. On the other hand, a society determined to fight and push out invaders need very little in the way of support. We also saw this in Afghanistan with the Anti-Coalition militias.

Even if everything you say about UKR is true, it doesn't really matter if the people of Ukraine support their government. Hell, in WWII the Ukrainians fought alongside the Soviets, even after the Soviets killed them by the millions. In fact the Soviet Socialists may have killed more Ukrainians than the National Socialists.

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-10 03:56 PM | Reply

"Why build big official statues of Nazi collaborators, if the government there is not Nazi influenced?"

Again, you're forgetting that the Soviets killed Ukrainians by the millions during the Holodomor. It's pretty easy to see why they would welcome anyone who wasn't a Soviet as a liberator.

Finland actually took a very similar path, although they formally aligned with Germany during WWII. Again, because the Soviets had attempted to and failed to annex Finland. Fears of this happening again is why Finland is very likely to join NATO.

#43 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-10 04:03 PM | Reply

One of the memes that has been emerging in Putin's Russia is the notion of "We can do it again." The meaning appears to be that Russia could defeat Germany again, as well as conquer parts of it's former empire.

#42 | Posted by madbomber

Or as it's said in the united states: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

Fascism is the same wherever it pops up: Blame your problems on immigrants and minority groups. Say the media is lying and take it over. Rig elections so you always win. Promise to return things to former glory.

This is why repubs dont want to fund well rounded education and just want you to learn how to do a menial task instead. So people wont know a fascist movement when they see one.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-10 04:17 PM | Reply

How do you explain a 33 foot statue of Stepan Bandera. Erected in Kiev in 2019. We are tearing down statues of white supremicists. They are building monuments to Holocaust enabling murderers and collaborators. How does That fit your narrative of no Nazis in the Ukraine?

Why do they tolerate an openly Nazi unit in the military?

Their influence is far greater than the numbers you banter about. Numbers you can't prove anyway.

#20 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER AT 2022-05-09 12:50 PM | REPLY | FUNNY: 1

Epically stupid takes on line 1. Epically stupid takes, line 1.

Seriously. How you picked out Nazi Collaborator which was a tiny fraction of his background, and ignored that the only reason he did it was to fight against the Russians ... .. and that he later was arrested by the Germans because he refused to go along with their plans is comical.

I mean being able to pick out 1% of their background, totally misconstrue what happened, then crow loudly about your wrongness is seriously an art form.

The man was named a "Hero of Ukraine" because of ... . Get this ... . Because of what he did FOR UKRAINE. Weird, I know.

Try actually reading about the man and absorbing the information instead of skimming over it, taking a small sentence and running with it in the wrong direction.

#45 | Posted by ABH at 2022-05-11 07:06 AM | Reply

Poor El Feet's strength isn't history, current events, or much of anything other than feverishly trying to master the narrow art of shoving el feet into la mowf.

#46 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-05-11 07:25 AM | Reply

If their casus belli was real, and Azov was an actual Nazi Battalion, then Russian troops wouldn't be having the morale problems they have. Not to mention the Chechen Russian forces are basically Islamic Nazis lol.

#47 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-11 07:27 AM | Reply

#44

Being stupid is like being dead. You are not aware of it, and it's only difficult for the others.

You're so ------- stupid.

#48 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-11 02:48 PM | Reply

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