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Thursday, May 12, 2022

A petition to reinstate a middle school teacher who was suspended: Mr. Burgess a Lenape middle school history teacher has been suspended with pay pending a further investigation for giving a trans student a phone number to call if they felt unsafe or bullied.

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God forbid a teacher do what's right for the kids independent of politics or personal beliefs.

At least that's what the right claimed they wanted.

#1 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-11 10:42 PM | Reply

God forbid a teacher do what's right for the kids independent of politics or personal beliefs.

You mean teach reading, writing and artithmetic? As opposed to their opinion?

Yeah the kids really need to know LGBTQ issues when America is falling behind day by day on -------- like math, reading and science.

#2 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-05-11 11:17 PM | Reply

You mean teach reading, writing and artithmetic? As opposed to their opinion?
Yeah the kids really need to know LGBTQ issues when America is falling behind day by day on -------- like math, reading and science.

POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

How to say "I didnt read the article, without saying..."

#3 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-11 11:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Douchhurts puts indoctrination of kids above all else.

#4 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-11 11:30 PM | Reply

#3 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

There goes TruthHurts saying he's "a groomer" without saying it ..

#5 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-05-11 11:47 PM | Reply

Douchehurts is a predatory groomer.

#6 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-11 11:49 PM | Reply

A well-educated citizenry is anathema to the GQP.

#7 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-05-12 06:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#2 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

You have no idea of the legal responsibilities of teachers regarding the well being of their students, do you? Let alone the ethical responsibilities to their students...

Providing resources that can help a kid going through a tough time is what teachers do.

Apparently you'd rather the kid just languish until he/she is found hanging from a belt in their closet.

Righties really are ghouls.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-12 11:22 AM | Reply

This groomer ---- needs to end.

If you're such a sack of ---- that you casually accuse people of pedophilia then you need to not be here.

And no, I don't care about your supposed 1st amendment rights. ---- off with that ----.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-12 11:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Douchhurts puts indoctrination of kids above all else.
#4 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

^
These types of allegations say more about you than they do about anyone else.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-12 11:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#9. The definition of groomer that I've seen doesn't allege pedophilia. It's indoctrination - preying upon kid's inherent confusion and desire to fit in with the crowd.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-12 12:10 PM | Reply

Yeah the kids really need to know LGBTQ issues

By the time you're in middle school, you know you're homosexual.

I realized in 6th grade I was attracted to boys.

I would have loved to live in a world where teachers and classmates were open minded accepting and helpful.

You don't know what the fkkk you're talking about.

More interested in being a troll than understanding what LGBT youth are going through and have to deal with.

Fkkk off loser.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-12 12:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Douchhurts puts indoctrination of kids above all else.
#4 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Douchehurts is a predatory groomer.
#6 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Both of your statements are meaningless.

You're simply parroting catch phrases.

As a homosexual man. I knew I was gay when I was 11 years old. I clearly remember the first time I realized I was attracted to boys and didn't find girl sexually arousing.

This was the 1990s when homosexuality was unheard of.

You conservatives love exposing your hate and ignorance.

Fkkk off and let teachers help LGBT kids who are hated by conservatives for absolutely no reason.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-12 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The definition of groomer that I've seen doesn't allege pedophilia. It's indoctrination - preying upon kid's inherent confusion and desire to fit in with the crowd.

--------. There's a sexualization aspect to it and you know it.

Again, ---- off with that ----.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-12 12:22 PM | Reply

preying upon kid's inherent confusion

What inherent confusion?

Were you confused?

Are you confused?

Have you been fighting off your homosexual desires your entire life?

How many BillJohnsons do we have on the DR??

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-12 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Conservatives have nothing but hate.

This is literally homophobia running rampant.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-12 12:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The definition of groomer that I've seen doesn't allege pedophilia. It's indoctrination - preying upon kid's inherent confusion and desire to fit in with the crowd."

^
For example, coercing kids to stand and recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-12 12:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#9. The definition of groomer that I've seen doesn't allege pedophilia. It's indoctrination - preying upon kid's inherent confusion and desire to fit in with the crowd.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger

This has already been explained to the dope.

By exaggerating and lying, he thinks that he can turn the finger around and point it elsewhere.

Any where but at him and the leftist lunatics.

#18 | Posted by Kempster at 2022-05-12 12:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The definition of groomer that I've seen doesn't allege pedophilia. It's indoctrination - preying upon kid's inherent confusion and desire to fit in with the crowd."

^
For example, telling a boy that Boys Don't Cry.

For example, telling a girl that if a boy teases her and pulls her hair, it means he likes her. Which normalizes women to abusive conduct at the hands of men.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-12 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This groomer ---- needs to end.

And no, I don't care about your supposed 1st amendment rights. ---- off with that ----.

#9 | Posted by jpw

what's this ? you don't like being called names that you're not.

well how about that ? Do I have to point it out again.....2 faced....hypocritical liar !!!

and you didn't have to tell us that you want to "---- off with that ----." when it comes to the 1st amendment.

that's democrat dna.

#20 | Posted by Kempster at 2022-05-12 12:41 PM | Reply

exaggerating and lying
#18 | POSTED BY KUMDUMPSTER

If it weren't for exaggerating and lying, conservatives would have nothing at all!

Bunch of two faced, lying hypocrite skunts.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-12 12:43 PM | Reply

"Do I have to point it out again.....2 faced....hypocritical liar !!!"

^
You really are enamored with the Appeal To Hypocrisy logical fallacy!

Who groomed you to be like this?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-12 12:44 PM | Reply

As a homosexual man. I knew I was gay when I was 11 years old. I clearly remember the first time I realized I was attracted to boys and didn't find girl sexually arousing.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack

listen up ole buddy...

we don't hate you or attack you because you're a homosexual man.

We "attack" you because you're an stupid ------- lying piece of ----.

#23 | Posted by Kempster at 2022-05-12 12:45 PM | Reply

Bunch of two faced, lying hypocrite skunts.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack

see....you can't even come up with your own lines.

#24 | Posted by Kempster at 2022-05-12 12:48 PM | Reply

you didn't have to tell us that you want to "---- off with that ----." when it comes to the 1st amendment.
#20 | POSTED BY KUMDUMPSTER

The lack of awareness of this comment is delightful.

On a thread where a teacher was suspended for telling kids about resources for LGBT youth

KumDumpster brings up the 1st amendment.

Delightful in its irony.

Thanks for the lulz.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-12 12:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

and you didn't have to tell us that you want to "---- off with that ----." when it comes to the 1st amendment.
that's democrat dna.

#20 | POSTED BY low life piece of ---- who casually accuses people of pedophilia

fivethirtyeight.com

For the unfamiliar, "grooming" is a term typically reserved to describe the type of behavior that child sexual abusers use to coerce potential victims without being caught. But now some Republicans are using it against any Democrat (or company)1 who disagrees with them on certain policy issues. This is a deliberate tactic that was promoted as early as last summer by Christopher Rufo, the same conservative activist who helped muddle the language around critical race theory. "Grooming" is a term that neatly draws together both modern conspiracy theories and old homophobic stereotypes, while comfortably shielding itself under the guise of protecting children.

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-12 12:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Who groomed you to be like this?

#22 | Posted by snoofy

Quite possibly the funniest thing ever coming from the recesses of your mind...of course it's easy to be

the funniest when it's the only time.

#27 | Posted by Kempster at 2022-05-12 12:51 PM | Reply

what's this ? you don't like being called names that you're not.

Every ad hominem I level is 100% true.

You're an idiot low life piece of ----. 100%.

Righties are gullible morons. 100%.

Care to have me explain any others?

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-12 12:52 PM | Reply

don't hate you or attack you because you're a homosexual man.
#23 | POSTED BY KUMDUMPSTER

No. You attack teachers and LGBT students.

You prefer attacking children.

They're easier targets for you two faced hypocrite cowards.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-12 12:54 PM | Reply

Kempster self-radicalized, apparently.

No surprises there.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-12 12:54 PM | Reply

26 | Posted by jpw

again...don't like being called names that you're not...We get it !!

with just 1 or 2 looks into your posts they will show that you're a 2 faced lying hypocrite and nothing you write or post from some

lunatic source will change that the next time you go into one of your regular little tizzy fits.

#31 | Posted by Kempster at 2022-05-12 12:57 PM | Reply

Douchhurts puts indoctrination of kids above all else.
#4 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Now do Sunday school.

#32 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-05-12 12:58 PM | Reply

Hey idiot, I'm not calling you something you're not when I say you're an idiot.

Get it?

Of course not! YOU'RE. AN. IDIOT.

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-12 12:58 PM | Reply

"with just 1 or 2 looks into your posts they will show that you're a 2 faced lying hypocrite"

How do you make it to adulthood and think this is a valid criticism?

Tell us how, Kempster.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-12 12:59 PM | Reply

Kempster self-radicalized, apparently.

No surprises there.

#30 | Posted by snoofy

nothing of the sort.

I don't take ---- off of left wing pukes.

back to topic.

We never had to act what you might call "radical" until you folks began to demand that an adult talk about -------- with 3rd graders.

#35 | Posted by Kempster at 2022-05-12 01:03 PM | Reply

"We never had to act what you might call "radical" until you folks began to demand that an adult talk about -------- with 3rd graders."

Anyone know what he's talking about?
???

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-12 01:04 PM | Reply

No. You attack teachers and LGBT students.

You prefer attacking children.

They're easier targets for you two faced hypocrite cowards.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack

let's see..I've already responded to this trash with this from earlier post...

We "attack" you because you're an stupid ------- lying piece of ----.

#23 | Posted by Kempster

#37 | Posted by Kempster at 2022-05-12 01:06 PM | Reply

You're an idiot low life piece of ----. 100%.

Righties are gullible morons. 100%.

Care to have me explain any others?

#28 | Posted by jpw

sure I can explain....you're a bigot.

#38 | Posted by Kempster at 2022-05-12 01:08 PM | Reply

All the right had is name-calling.

No substantial policy initiatives. Aside from banning abortion, of course!

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-12 01:15 PM | Reply

#38 nobody likes learning they're a negative thing like an idiot.

But how you respond to such a truth is entirely up to you.

Can can prove it as you are now.

Or you can improve yourself and prove it wrong.

Your choice.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-12 01:20 PM | Reply

"you're a bigot."

#38 | POSTED BY KEMPSTER

The projection is strong with this one.

#41 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-05-12 01:31 PM | Reply

Anyone know what he's talking about?
#36 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

KumDumpster likes talking to 3rd graders about sex and genitalia.

So he assumes teachers do as well.

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-12 01:34 PM | Reply

#28 JPW

We are dealing with a couple of issues with our house.

Our sink garbage disposal isn't as effective as it used to be. We had a highly recommended plumber look at it and he gave a detailed description of where it's failing and why. It seemed plausible and he's been doing this for over 20 years but I'm concerned we are being gouged. Since you are the self proclaimed smartest person of all time would you mind taking a gander of a SnapChat pic and give a proper diagnosis? Surely you know WAY more about plumbing than some highly reviewed rando who has 20 years of experience.

#43 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-12 03:19 PM | Reply

Liberal teachers struggle to keep it in their pants these days.

#44 | Posted by LEGALLYDORKY at 2022-05-12 03:49 PM | Reply

#9. The definition of groomer that I've seen doesn't allege pedophilia. It's indoctrination - preying upon kid's inherent confusion and desire to fit in with the crowd.

#11 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Now do the definition of projection

#45 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-12 03:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#43 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Jeffy is starting to whine.

Tells me he got nailed to the wall and he knows it LOL.

#46 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-12 04:04 PM | Reply

As a homosexual man. I knew I was gay when I was 11 years old. I clearly remember the first time I realized I was attracted to boys and didn't find girl sexually arousing.
This was the 1990s when homosexuality was unheard of.
You conservatives love exposing your hate and ignorance.
Fkkk off and let teachers help LGBT kids who are hated by conservatives for absolutely no reason.

#13 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

And it's because of you and many others like you, and what you fought for over the last 30 years, that we reached a point in society where my 12 year old grandson could come out as gay and not be afraid of being bullied and shunned at school. Words aren't enough, but Thank You.

And to all of you 'wingers who want the LGBTQ kids back in the closet, afraid and alone, ---- every one of you.

#47 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-12 04:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

jeff is just frustrated that I honestly call him out on him being a lying POS. his frustrations manifest in lame attempts to paint me certain ways. He fails cause he is a vile, stupid, lying, POS failure.

truth hurts

#48 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-12 04:12 PM | Reply

46 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2022-05-12 04:04 PM | FLAG:

As

So you won't answer that. Can you at least explain why Rum Raison is the perfect ice cream accompaniment to grilled sea bass with asparagus?

#49 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-12 04:17 PM | Reply

Our sink garbage disposal isn't as effective as it used to be. We had a highly recommended plumber look at it and he gave a detailed description of where it's failing and why. It seemed plausible and he's been doing this for over 20 years but I'm concerned we are being gouged. Since you are the self proclaimed smartest person of all time would you mind taking a gander of a SnapChat pic and give a proper diagnosis? Surely you know WAY more about plumbing than some highly reviewed rando who has 20 years of experience.

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2022-05-12 03:19 PM | REPLY

You can't replace an ink sink garbage disposal yourself?? Go buy one and fix it. It's not that hard to do.

#50 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-12 04:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Jeffy is starting to whine."

Starting?????

LOL.

Why you dopes bother even responding to stinkerbell makes absolutely no goddam sense.

Seriously...why????

#51 | Posted by Angrydad at 2022-05-12 04:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You can't replace an ink sink garbage disposal yourself?? Go buy one and fix it. It's not that hard to do.

#50 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

They cost about $150 or less. Just need a water pump plier or other wide-jawed plier or wrench. Only takes a few minutes. A lot cheaper than paying a plumber to come to the house.

#52 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-12 04:45 PM | Reply

Why you dopes bother even responding to stinkerbell makes absolutely no goddam sense.
Seriously...why????

POSTED BY ANGRYDAD AT 2022-05-12 04:43 PM |

Maybe because I'm a dingbat that's why.

#53 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-12 04:48 PM | Reply

Why do you guys presume to know than Jeffy?

You must think you're the smartest person in the world.

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-12 04:51 PM | Reply

You must think you're the smartest person in the world.

#54 | POSTED BY JPW

I want the trophy.

#55 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-12 05:04 PM | Reply

Can you at least explain why Rum Raison is the perfect ice cream accompaniment to grilled sea bass with asparagus?

#49 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Actually, I'd recommend Cherry Walnut. The tartness of the cherry will serve as a counterpoint to the strong flavored asparagus, and the nuttiness will follow the sea bass nicely. You'll be tempted to pair with a Pinot Grigio or Chardonnay because of the fish, but I'd go with a smooth, fruity Pinot Noir.

#56 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-12 05:08 PM | Reply

Yeah I replaced mine a few years ago. It's not that hard to do. The main thing is take your time and do it right. The hardest part is affixing the disposal to the flange. Other than that it's a piece of cake.

#57 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-12 05:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"A lot cheaper than paying a plumber to come to the house."

LOL!!!

Plumber here: we charge $275 for a straight garbage disposer replacement and that includes the disposer, Badger 5 1/2 hp.

The "homeowner" installed BS we encounter (and have to reverse) on a daily basis is appalling.

Unless you're competent in the field, just find a competent local tradesman and pay to have the job done right.

Or suffer the consequences.

#58 | Posted by Angrydad at 2022-05-12 05:15 PM | Reply

as a Texas teacher, I can confer the hunt is on. Ideological purity in Abbottistan or you're out.

#59 | Posted by e1g1 at 2022-05-12 05:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Plumber here: we charge $275 for a straight garbage disposer replacement and that includes the disposer, Badger 5 1/2 hp.
The "homeowner" installed BS we encounter (and have to reverse) on a daily basis is appalling.
Unless you're competent in the field, just find a competent local tradesman and pay to have the job done right.
Or suffer the consequences.

POSTED BY ANGRYDAD AT 2022-05-12 05:15 PM | REPLY

WOW that's expensive. I'll do my own plumbing thank you very much.

#60 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-12 05:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#60 | Posted by LauraMohr

LOL!!!

You don't get out much, do ya?

#61 | Posted by Angrydad at 2022-05-12 05:26 PM | Reply

No offense to the hardworking tradesmen. I grew up in a family of general contractors, and was apprenticed as a bricklayer. Ever seen a DIY brick wall? I agree, you should be handy and have a good idea what you're doing. I felt confident installing the new garbage disposal, which I did with no issues.

Speaking for myself only, not Laura, 52 and 56 were wiseass responses to Bellringer. If he's going to be an ass, I can do that too. Childish, I know.

#62 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-12 05:34 PM | Reply

LOL!!!
You don't get out much, do ya?
POSTED BY ANGRYDAD AT 2022-05-12 05:26 PM | REPLY
No
I've been around long enough to know if you can do the job right then you do it yourself and save money. I understand your attitude. If you didn't have that attitude you wouldn't be in business for long.

#63 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-12 05:55 PM | Reply

A military that cannot be audited and has endless spending. The military does not follow any environmental standards. Global warming. Making oil a national security risk and taking over oil companies. Healthcare. Global warming....... any of these things are problems or ideas that nobody will touch because it is easier to just make hot air outrage for people to slurp up and get angry about while the problems remain. This is the goal of both parties.

#64 | Posted by Brennnn at 2022-05-12 06:29 PM | Reply

"...52 and 56 were wiseass responses to Bellringer."

I've blocked that bloated sack of protoplasm.

Everybody should.

#65 | Posted by Angrydad at 2022-05-12 06:30 PM | Reply

my 12 year old grandson could come out as gay and not be afraid of being bullied and shunned at school.

This is so awesome!

Seriously. Fills my heart to hear. :)

He will also learn to develop health relationships, find a partner who he loves and live a life I never knew was possible when I was 12.

When I was 12, the only thing I knew about homosexuality was it resulted in catching AIDS.

It was frightening. I now know other classmates who have come out as gay/lesbian.

Would have been incredible to have known I wasn't alone and to have the support of fellow classmates and teachers.

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-12 06:34 PM | Reply

You can't replace an ink sink garbage disposal yourself?? Go buy one and fix it. It's not that hard to do.

Replaced mine a couple years ago.

$100 dollars at Home Depot and a bit of elbow grease got it done.

#67 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-12 06:36 PM | Reply

#57 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Biggest mistake is not removing the punch out for the dishwasher to drain.

#56 | POSTED BY EL_BUSCADOR

Excellent suggestions. Pinot noir (Oregon) is great great choice, but I'd also suggest a New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc.

#68 | Posted by memyselfini at 2022-05-12 06:51 PM | Reply

#65 | POSTED BY ANGRYDAD

This we should all be able to agree with!

#69 | Posted by memyselfini at 2022-05-12 06:55 PM | Reply

There is no more despicable
construct of man today, than
the modern itteration of the GOP...

a Party utterly without redeeming
values...

#70 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-05-12 09:26 PM | Reply

#68 | POSTED BY MEMYSELFINI

Nice. For some reason I haven't been seeing very many New Zealand wines locally. Might have to join a club again.

#71 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-12 09:54 PM | Reply

#71 | POSTED BY EL_BUSCADOR

Dog Point Sauv is a good one and very reasonably priced.

#72 | Posted by memyselfini at 2022-05-13 12:58 AM | Reply

#66 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I've heard similar experiences from other people in my age group, who grew up in the 80s and early 90s. Growing up in households where they heard their own parents condemning homosexuality, the inner turmoil of being raised to see their sexuality as a sin and feel ashamed of themselves. One guy got beaten pretty badly and was hospitalized, he has all false teeth on one side where his teeth were kicked out. A high school classmate hanged himself shortly after graduation, it was years later I learned it was because he was so afraid to come out and couldn't live the lie any longer. Truly awful stuff. Societal acceptance certainly isn't perfect now, but a lot of the uneducated stigma of the past is gone. Unless states like FL and TX are able to get away with their ignorance and bigotry.

#73 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-13 08:31 AM | Reply

I don't like any wine or beer. Just tastes awful.

A rum and coke is about the extent what i enjoy.

#74 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-05-13 09:10 AM | Reply

El,

Regardless how you discuss it being gay will always be difficult because it is and always will be a straight world.

Some things just can't be fixed.

One small example. A gay guy with siblings who go off and all get married.

Then they have children and do the daddy family thing and discuss it.

The gay guy in the family who grew up will most likely never have children or even a monogamous relationship and find it hard to fit in with their siblings.

Regardless how you try to force it, the gay culture does not mesh with the straight world.

We must pass laws forcing the safety of gays but you can't pass laws making the straight world change to suit the emotional needs of gays.

It has always been and always will be a clashing of cultures. My point has always been gay people must stop tying their self esteem to the acceptance and approval of everyone else.

However, sometimes I see some gays take pride in being obnoxious which I think is counterproductive to achieving positive goals.

#75 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-05-13 09:30 AM | Reply

I don't take ---- off of left wing pukes.

back to topic.

We never had to act what you might call "radical" until you folks began to demand that an adult talk about -------- with 3rd graders.

#35 | POSTED BY KEMPSTER

Lies and the lying liars who tell them.

GFY you hateful insurrectionist.

#76 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-13 10:39 AM | Reply

First the gays and then women's rights now the teachers.

Not to mention the desecration of our capital.

The crazies are coming for you.

#77 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-13 11:01 AM | Reply

#75 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I get a lot of what you're saying. And I agree there will always be a gap in understanding between straight and LGBTQ people. Try as I might to empathize, I'm not gay and can't totally comprehend all there is to it. Like other cultural differences, some things just can't be completely understood if you're not part of it. But I think what's important is we accept others different than ourselves, even if we can't understand the differences. We're all still people with wants, needs, loves, and hardships. And the world is better if we can live together and move forward.

#78 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-13 12:22 PM | Reply

However, sometimes I see some MAGAts take pride in being obnoxious which I think is counterproductive to achieving positive goals.

#75 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

See how easy that is? I doubt you can.

#79 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-05-13 01:05 PM | Reply

#78 - What Bill doesn't seem to recognize is that the pathologies he sites in his justification are manifestations of the sociological exclusions and negative connotations that are pushed on to people that are gay. Same with transgendered.

Get rid of societal pressures to conform and fit in or be outcast, ridiculed, harassed - and people will develop into whole and healthy humans. Suicides decrease. Drug use decreases. Alcoholism declines, for instance.

People then, perhaps, won't engage in forced heterosexual normative marriages only to cheat repeatedly with strangers of the same sex to satisfy that deep down urge they are always at war with.

#80 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-13 01:18 PM | Reply

There is no more despicable
construct of man today, than
the modern itteration of the GOP...
a Party utterly without redeeming
values...

#81 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-05-13 02:06 PM | Reply

#80 | POSTED BY YAV

And I think we can get there if we keep moving forward as a society. Look where we are today compared to 20-30 years ago. The Millenials and Gen Z are so much more tolerant and accepting of others than my Gen X, way more so than Boomers. The next gen could be even more advanced. So long as we can keep the regressives from setting us back to the 50s.

#82 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-13 02:56 PM | Reply

Yav,

"What Bill doesn't seem to recognize is that the pathologies he sites in his justification are manifestations of the sociological exclusions and negative connotations that are pushed on to people that are gay"

I agree. But this has been universal throughout history. Different places. Different times. Even cultures that have shown more acceptance there are still stigmas especially toward those who are receptive and no longer in their youth.

I believe homophobia is a natural feeling and we learn to NOT be homophobic. Today now people say they aren't homophobic but tell me how many new parents ever hope their child is gay. It's not a desirable trait for most straight parents.

You seem to think people learn to be homophobic. No..we learn to not be.

I'm not condoning hatred of gay people. In fact America is the one place in time gays should find some peace. If not America, then where.

#83 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-05-13 03:01 PM | Reply

I had no idea you were an anthropologist specializing in human sexuality, Bill.

The Abrahamic "faiths" brought that repulsive and backwards attitude with them and poisoned culture after culture. We're all living with it today. History is replete with examples of the introduction of hate and persecution brought by Europeans with their "faith" - killing and imprisoning people for being different than the mandated and forced "male/female" roles dictated by the Church.

It is well past time we did away with that nonsense.

#84 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-13 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You know the Natives hundreds of years ago were more enlightened than the Republicans are today about sexually and gender. They understood it and celebrated it.

#85 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-13 03:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I believe homophobia is a natural feeling and we learn to NOT be homophobic."

You're not right in the head, boy.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-13 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#85 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Yes they did. Many tribes viewed transgender people as having two spirits, and they were considered blessed by the gods. Many were revered as seers or prophets.

#87 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-13 03:57 PM | Reply

It is well past time we did away with that nonsense. ~Yav

Why do people want children Yav? What's the evolutionary motivation?

Go back before " Abrahamic "faiths"". Ever hear of Parental Investment Theory? What would the point of "parental" investment be, pre-religion, why have children? Why would sexual interest be so ingrained in our being? Why would sex feel so good?

What is the point of parental investment today? Would it be wise for a parent to invest in a child, only to have that child not fulfill the evolutionary reason for its being? Can you not understand the low level programming? See I can, Bill can, doesn't mean we wish them people that don't fulfill their evolutionary purpose,, but we understand the foundation of the problem. You and Snoofy are in fantasyland, and you can't go far if you don't have a foundation of understanding.

Finally Yav, what is a culture? How does one learn a moral code? Or learn a better code? You are stuck in a morass of non-scientific, non-evolutionary thinking, black and white thinking, something is right and something else is wrong. Not even trying to understand how you got to this point.

"I believe homophobia is a natural feeling and we learn to NOT be homophobic."
You're not right in the head, boy.
#86 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

This clearly indicates that Snoofy is driven by his emotional state.

#88 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-05-13 04:13 PM | Reply

believe homophobia is a natural feeling and we learn to NOT be homophobic. Today now people say they aren't homophobic but tell me how many new parents ever hope their child is gay. It's not a desirable trait for most straight parents.
You seem to think people learn to be homophobic. No..we learn to not be.
I'm not condoning hatred of gay people. In fact America is the one place in time gays should find some peace. If not America, then where.

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2022-05-13 03:01 PM | REPLY

Hatred for people who are different than themselves is a learned behavior. It doesn't come naturally. We are blank slates when we are born.

#89 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-13 04:14 PM | Reply

This clearly indicates that Snoofy is driven by his emotional state.
#88 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Which emotion do you have in mind, is it love?

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-13 04:21 PM | Reply

Kempster was originally JeffJ posing as a Democrat. When everyone pointed out how terrible he was at it, the username was passed on to someone slightly less literate.

#91 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-13 04:23 PM | Reply

#88 - that is one seriously fcked up post. On so many levels.

#92 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-13 04:24 PM | Reply

It doesn't come naturally. We are blank slates when we are born.

#89 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

And then we are "groomed" I suppose?

By our parents by teachers by churches by colleges by universities by Fox News by CNN by society? Children grooming each other!! Wait! We were even being groomed by the Ancient Aliens!!!

So everyone is grooming everyone.

That's why the whole fox newspeak xtian "grooming" thing is childish and ridiculous if you actually think about it.

But republicans would have nothing without their culture wars.

What about the children!!? (Not the evil brown ones, of course)

"We have met the enemy and it is us."

#93 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-13 04:29 PM | Reply

"Would it be wise for a parent to invest in a child, only to have that child not fulfill the evolutionary reason for its being?"

^
Why leave it up to nature? Teach your sons to rape. Teach your daughters to lay back and enjoy it. It's the enlightened thing to do, from an evolution point of view.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-13 04:34 PM | Reply

Hatred for people who are different than themselves is a learned behavior. It doesn't come naturally. We are blank slates when we are born.

#89 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

You ever watch a bunch of little kids playing together? They don't care who's black, brown, white or red. They're just having fun. They might fight over who gets to play with the dump truck, but by snack time they're all friends again. All the -isms and -phobias are learned from adults.

#95 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-13 04:56 PM | Reply

El,

"You ever watch a bunch of little kids playing together? They don't care who's black, brown, white or red. They're just having fun. They might fight over who gets to play with the dump truck, but by snack time they're all friends again."

That's because sex isn't part of the equation.

Liberals are trying to fix that though making sure everyone knows who wants to do who.

#96 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-05-13 06:19 PM | Reply

Liberals are trying to fix that though making sure everyone knows who wants to do who.

#96 | Posted by BillJohnson

Conservatives are trying to distract from their fascist coup attempt by making everyone think democrats are perverting their kids.

#97 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 06:44 PM | Reply

That's because sex isn't part of the equation.
Liberals are trying to fix that though making sure everyone knows who wants to do who.
POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2022-05-13 06:19 PM | REPLY

You're bearing false witness again.

#98 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-13 07:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Liberals are trying to fix that though making sure everyone knows who wants to do who.

There is something seriously wrong with you. It's not just you, though. It's endemic with so many on the "Right."

#99 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-13 07:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That's because sex isn't part of the equation."

Help me Jebus! What freakin planet are you religulous nuts from?

We played "doctor" as kids (when no adult was around) when I was only old enough to be in elementary school.

My first time "experimental" kiss was with a cute little (6 yo) Janet Bean when I was only 6.

Later when I wrestled with he "girl next door" I am pretty sure sex was in the back of kind somewhere even if it was only a remote possibility. I think I was just lucky nothing happened.

Sex is always part of the "equation". And if you don't teach the children about sex you are just relying on luck.

You people are so weird about sex that you think everyone else is too. It's just not so. You are projecting.

#100 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-13 09:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"the girl"

Not "he girl".

Don't get excited ... it's just a typo.

#101 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-13 09:23 PM | Reply

I believe homophobia is a natural feeling and we learn to NOT be homophobic.
#83 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I'm not sure what happened to you in your life.

But it seems you endured a lot of trauma in your youth.

Must have been horrible.

I actually feel sorry for you, Bill.

You became who you are today to escape that pain and torment.

This is why the unfounded hate and ignorance of conservatism is a danger to society.

It ruins peoples lives and makes them believe they don't deserve to be happy being who they are.

Such a tragedy.

#102 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-14 03:28 AM | Reply

#100 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Yes, kids become aware of sexuality by the time they begin elementary school. If parents and/or schools aren't involved, they'll play around until they figure it out on their own.

"As children age and interact more with other children (approximately ages 4"6), they become more aware of the differences between boys and girls, and more social in their exploration. In addition to exploring their own bodies through touching or rubbing their private parts (------------), they may begin "playing doctor" and copying adult behaviors such as kissing and holding hands. As children become increasingly aware of the social rules governing sexual behavior and language (such as the importance of modesty or which words are considered "naughty"), they may try to test these rules by using naughty words. They may also ask more questions about sexual matters, such as where babies come from, and why boys and girls are physically different."

www.nctsn.org

www.hopkinsallchildrens.org

www.healthychildren.org

Here Bill, you're never too old to learn something.

#103 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-14 10:11 AM | Reply

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