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Thursday, May 12, 2022

Finland's president and prime minister announced support for joining NATO on Thursday, moving the historically neutral nation closer to membership in the 73-year-old defensive military alliance -- a move that Russia warned against after its invasion of Ukraine.



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...The report also said support for NATO membership has "risen significantly" in Sweden, which is similarly expected to join the alliance soon....

The announcement on Thursday comes a day after Finland and Sweden signed mutual security protection declarations with Britain. The declarations include protections for traditional and cyberattacks amid growing threats from Russia. The declarations are expected to remain in effect during the two countries' yearlong process to join NATO....

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-12 10:38 AM | Reply

When you've got decent neighbors, except for that psycho orc tearing apart his crack house at the end of the block, sometimes banding together is the good and proper thing to do.

#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-05-12 11:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3


Russia brandes SWEDEN as "Nazis" when they join NATO after the Kremlin claimed that Hitler "had Jewish blood"

...Russia has intensified its propaganda war against Sweden by producing bus stop ads accusing the peaceful Scandinavian nation of being Nazis.

The hybrid warfare strategy comes as Sweden prepares for NATO membership, abandoning decades of neutrality in light of Moscow's military aggression against Ukraine.

The provocation is hot on the heels of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov's inflammatory comments that "Hitler had Jewish blood," which called for an apology from Israel.

The campaign has seen ads appear in Russia depicting various Swedish national heroes as Nazis with the slogan: "We are against Nazism, they are not."

The word "we" is in the color of the Russian flag and "they" in the colors of the Swedish flag. Selective quotes appear next to each image that pretends to paint the figure as a Nazi.

Astrid Lindgren, the creator of one of Sweden's test stone cultural products in Pippi Longstocking, is singled out for her alleged Nazi attitudes, as well as Ikea founder Ingvar Kamprad and filmmaker Ingmar Bergman.

Another poster paints Sweden's King Gustaf V as a Nazi.

Russia has intensified its propaganda war against Sweden by producing bus stop advertising that accuses famous Swedish national heroes of being Nazis....

It would be a hilarious sign of desperation on the part of Pres Putin if it were not such a serious matter.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-12 11:19 AM | Reply

The Russians have already flipped the collective lid over Finland's desire to protect itself from a rapacious horde at its doorstep:

"Russia threatens military-technical' retaliation over Finland's NATO bid"

Feels reminiscent in many ways of the Cold War era. Except for the fact that this time the Russians opted for a hot war that's got them well and truly bogged down.

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-05-12 12:09 PM | Reply

Obviously all Swedes are Nazis! - EffetePutin

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-12 01:59 PM | Reply

Fnrd? Vergoofin der flicke stbin mit der bork-bork yubetcha!
~ The Swedish Chef

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-05-12 02:13 PM | Reply

Obviously The Swedish Chef is a Nazi! - EffetePutin

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-12 02:15 PM | Reply

Another view...

EXPLAINER: Why Finland, Sweden joining NATO will be big deal

...It's likely to be the quickest NATO enlargement ever and one that would redraw Europe's security map. Finnish leaders announced Thursday their belief that Finland should join the world's biggest military organization because of Russia's war in Ukraine. Sweden could soon follow suit.

Should they apply for membership, the move would have far-reaching ramifications for Northern Europe and trans-Atlantic security.

No doubt, it will also anger their large neighbor Russia, which blames, at least in part, its war in Ukraine on NATO's continued expansion closer to its borders. It's unclear how Russian President Vladimir Putin might retaliate. The Kremlin said Thursday that it certainly won't improve European security.

The following is a brief look at what Finland and Sweden's membership in the 30-country NATO alliance could mean, with the Nordic partners expected to announce their intention to join within days....

Support in Finland for NATO membership has hovered around 20-30% for years. It now stands at over 70%. ...

Finland and Sweden are NATO's closest partners. They contribute to the alliance's operations and air policing.

Most importantly, they already meet NATO's membership criteria, on functioning democracies, good neighborly relations, clear borders and armed forces that are in lock-step with the allies. After the invasion, they formally boosted information exchanges with NATO and sit in on every meeting on war issues. ...

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-12 02:40 PM | Reply

Putin has made it clear he plans to wantonly conqure all the lands that escaped Russia starting with Finland during the Russian revolution.

That's why Finland is joining.

#9 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-12 04:04 PM | Reply

Sweden may be next?...

Sweden: NATO membership reduces conflict risk -- policy review

...An all-party review of Swedish security policy concluded that NATO membership would have a stabilizing effect and would benefit countries around the Baltic sea, Foreign Minister Ann Linde said on Friday.

"Swedish NATO membership would raise the threshold for military conflicts and thus have a conflict-preventing effect in northern Europe," Linde told reporters when presenting a parliament report on security.

The report does not contain any proposals but Defense Minister Peter Hultqvist warned, "If Sweden chooses to seek NATO membership, there is a risk of a reaction from Russia," Defence Minister Peter Hultqvist said. "Let me state that, in such a case, we are prepared to deal with any counter-response."

Sweden's parliament was exepcted to debate the security situation on Monday.

Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson was then expected to call a special cabinet meeting where the formal decision to apply would be taken.

If the Nordic country formally joins NATO, it will end over 200 years of Swedish non-alignment....

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-13 09:34 AM | Reply


Excellent strategy pooty poot.

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-13 12:04 PM | Reply

So savy.

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-13 12:04 PM | Reply

If I were the leader of Finland I would be saying the exact same thing as Finland's president. Join NATO, and get it done by yesterday. Russia is out of control. Putin has lost contact with reason and his humanity. In fact, if I were any nation bordering on Russia I would be rushing to get into NATO. The Bear is not to be trusted even an inch.

#13 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-05-13 01:46 PM | Reply

It looks like Turkey is playing the wild card, hoping for help from NATO in return for saying OK to Finland and Sweden.

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-13 01:49 PM | Reply

"Why Finland, Sweden joining NATO will be big deal"

I think it will be an extremely big deal.

Both Finland and Sweden developed military doctrine intended to facilitate the survival of forces through decentralization. And not just infantry and light arms. The Swedish Air Force is designed to operate out of austere bases with minimal support. Taking off from a highway, striking targets, and landing on another highway to re-arm, refuel, and swap crews.

Think of how valuable that sort of doctrine would be in somewhere like, say, Ukraine at this moment.

#15 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-13 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Putin has chosen a path in which Russia is a pariah state.

It appears the vast majority of Russians approve of this path.

#16 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-13 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Turkey's looking to get help fighting Russia it's about to get all the help it wants so long as it stays secular and Democratic.

#17 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-13 05:57 PM | Reply

Biden Encourages Sweden, Finland on NATO in Call

...President Joe Biden told the leaders of Sweden and Finland that he supports their right to decide whether to join NATO and underscored his backing for the alliance's open door policy, according to the White House.

Sweden has received no indication that Turkey would oppose it joining NATO, and will raise the issue at a meeting this weekend in Berlin, Foreign Minister Ann Linde said. Earlier Friday, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan expressed concern about Sweden and Finland potentially becoming members of the military alliance. NATO foreign ministers are set to meet on Saturday, when the issue of enlargement is likely to dominate.

The US and Russian defense chiefs had their first call since the invasion of Ukraine began. A US defense official said the call lasted about an hour and the tone was professional....

Good, the US and RU defense chiefs are finally talking. That's a change.

Possibly because of...

Putin losing confidence in Ukraine war, former Russian PM says

...Mikhail Kasyanov, who served as prime minister under Vladimir Putin in the early 2000s, told DW he believed that the Russian president had "already started to realize that he's losing this war."...

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-13 08:49 PM | Reply

@#16 ... It appears the vast majority of Russians approve of this path. ...

I do not disagree, but I have to wonder why?

Are the vast majority of Russians unable to see what is occurring?

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-13 08:52 PM | Reply

Maybe you're the one who isn't seeing what's happening.

Has that ever occured to you?

It must be great to be so certain all the time.

But what if your whole basic premise, is WRONG?

#20 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-13 09:56 PM | Reply

The people who count are not censuring Russia. China, Turkey, India, Brazil, Indonesia,the Middle East,even Israel.Mexico,most of Latin America.

Willing buyers of Russian goods.Willing to do business as usual.

Maybe the West is the Pariah. The Global South and the developing world are sick of European domination.

Russia isn't European to them. It's a source of cheap raw materials.

The communist ideology is largely dead. But the resistance to Westernization is just as strong as ever.

#21 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-13 10:04 PM | Reply

@#21 ... The people who count ... Willing to do business as usual. ...

Please present your evidence to support that assertion.


#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-13 11:07 PM | Reply

@#20 ... Maybe you're the one who isn't seeing what's happening.

Has that ever occured to you? ...

Yes, I do think about that a lot.

Indeed, my education has taught me to question the world around me.

I constantly question the opinions I hold based upon the facts I see.

So, what's yer point?

Phrased differently, what facts have your current alias got that gainsay my opinions?

In other words, it is easy to throw darts, but more difficult to substantiate the reason for throwing those darts.

The vacuous opinions expressed in your comments do not cut it.

You really need to try harder to earn your pay.

OK, you're up...

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-13 11:14 PM | Reply

But what if your whole basic premise, is WRONG?


Blah Blah Blah ...

Slava Ukraini!!!

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-14 01:23 AM | Reply

Turkey is NATO's Joe Manchin.

#25 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2022-05-14 09:55 AM | Reply

"Russia isn't European to them."

Anything "European" about Russia is, on the longest and best day of the year, nothing more than the thinnest of veneers.

#26 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-05-14 10:03 AM | Reply

"Are the vast majority of Russians unable to see what is occurring?"

Putin increased payouts to pensioners. He's very popular with what you and I might call the lower middle class.

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-14 04:08 PM | Reply

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