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Thursday, May 12, 2022

The House select committee investigating the January 6 attack on the US Capitol is taking the extraordinary step of sending subpoenas to House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and four other Republican lawmakers who have rejected the panel's requests to voluntarily cooperate.

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"In addition to McCarthy, the Democrat-led panel is subpoenaing Republican Reps. Jim Jordan of Ohio, Mo Brooks of Alabama, Andy Biggs of Arizona and Scott Perry of Pennsylvania."

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#1 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-12 02:27 PM | Reply

A precedent has been set.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-12 02:33 PM | Reply

Obviously Kev and the Gang are Republican Truthtellers... they are just dying for the opportunity to tell the public their stories, rofl!

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-12 02:55 PM | Reply

A precedent has been set.

From what I have read, congress had/has the authorization to subpoena sitting members. However, in the past, it was only done by the ethics committees.

Not only are these subpoenas the right thing to do, it is a great CYA move. When republicans take control, they will surely subpoena democrats. Their behavior now will dictate how democrats respond when/if they are subpoenaed.

#4 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2022-05-12 03:23 PM | Reply

Let's just skip to the part where they ignore the subpeonas and garland does nothing and lets fascists get away with a coup attempt.

#5 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-12 03:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dems just can't get a break... when they do finally something right, all they get is people helping to suppress the vote by whining about how long it took and what they may or may not have done in the past.

Here's how that math werks:

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#6 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-12 08:11 PM | Reply

492 days and counting

How about that math?

#7 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-12 08:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dems just can't get a break... when they do finally something right, all they get is people helping to suppress the vote by whining about how long it took and what they may or may not have done in the past.

Here's how that math werks:

www.youtube.com

#6 | Posted by Corky

Do dems DESERVE a break? This is their last chance to save democracy and they're treating it like they've slain the dragon and can take a leisurely vacation.

And bennie thompson is the guy they put in charge? That stammering side of beef is about as sharp as a marble. THAT'S they guy they gave us to defend democracy from fascism?

#8 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-12 08:26 PM | Reply

I hope there's a method to this madness.

I have to keep reminding myself that these turds are not the target. It's Trump the Committee and the DoJ is after. He's the head of the snake.

Just like Meadows, the Committee has enough evidence to hang each and every one of them, with or without their testimony. A contempt of court charge would just be the icing on the cake when the DOJ decides to have them all indicted for conspiracy to interfere with a lawful act of Congress.

BTW, Pence was the smart one. So was Bill Barr. They both recognized insanity when they saw it.

#9 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-05-12 09:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

= Do dems DESERVE a break?

We the People deserve a break, and the only one of the only two parties that has a any chance at all of giving it to us is the Dems, no matter their own problems.

The vote is already being suppressed enough by rwingers and, as Beau noted, the People don't really need the far left banging on the Dems along with the GOP and helping to stifle the effort to get their vote out.

It's like talking down your team right before the game to their faces and to their fans. Wait until offseason and make your case at the polls for which candidates become Dem legislators.

Don't stab them in the back during the game.

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-12 10:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

. Wait until offseason and make your case at the polls for which candidates become Dem legislators.

Don't stab them in the back during the game.

#10 | POSTED BY CORKY A

Two ------- years in control and now they need another election to accomplish justice

Corky the democratic leadership has chosen this path

If they won't save democracy well, ------

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-12 10:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- If they won't save democracy well ------

They are the only party of the two that might... you know this.

Making it harder for them, even if they make it hard for themselves, is just, 'refusing half a loaf and eating a broken glass muffin instead'.

Actually in this case it's more like telling people the bread is rotten and poisonous when in reality it's just a bit moldy and trying to be better.

We don't need moderate swing voters staying home because they hear BOTH rwingers and lwingers denigrating them.

It's just frustrated, self-defeating nose/face behavior.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-12 10:34 PM | Reply

btw... the idea that they should be able to turn the massive logjam the Right has made of the obstructionist gov around in two years is a bit silly, too.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-12 10:36 PM | Reply

"I can't recall" and "I plead the 5th" will be the new Republican slogans.

#14 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-05-12 10:40 PM | Reply

Corky giving the DNC a pass again I see. It's not surprising.

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-12 10:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Corky, the democratic party is either unwilling or unable to do what needs to be done.

the time for excuses is long over.

this is not the voter's fault. We put them in power. They are incapable of using that power to do what needs to be done. All I ever hear are excuses and crap rhetoric-look at schumer and pelosi's response to Alito's decision. Talk about weak. And you get the same tired response by the dems when the republicans do something outrageous on countless issues that the vast majority of American's support.

And the most basic thing, the most important thing-the integrity of our democracy, they are doing nothing about. Less than nothing. They are letting the criminals assure their victory in coming elections.

Stop having faith in the 1/6 commission-it is a pathetic joke. You think the eventual tv hearings (in the summer, if they even have them) are going to achieve ANYTHING? What a joke. Stop having faith in the DoJ-they will NEVER arrest the leaders of the insurrection. Stop thinking the SDNY or GA is gonna git him, they ain't.

Democracy will take a shot to the heart in November of this year and will be dead come 1/25.

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-12 10:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

80% of Americans support RvW in some form. Dems can't get anything done
2/3 of Americans support stricter gun controls. Dems can't get anything done.
Medicare for All-70% of Americans support it. Dems can't get anything done.
Republicans steal SC seats. Dems can't get anything done.
etc
etc
etc

Republicans are evil, Democrats are...ineffective (nicest way I can put it)

#17 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-12 10:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

but, hey we got covid relief and an infrastructure bill, that will win us some elections!

#18 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-12 10:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

80% of Americans support RvW in some form.

Its more complicated than one number, as is everything ...
www.tampabay.com

#19 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-05-12 11:05 PM | Reply

Calm down, Twoofy.

All we are saying is save it for when we are selecting candidates, not for when we are fighting to keep the ones we already selected from giving the House to Trumpers, not suppressing the vote by trashing Dems with a "parties are the same" rhetoric.

If you think it's bad now.....

And btw, none of what you said addresses that point.

And Laura... Bernie says, "Hi, why do you never listen to me?".

Speaking of which, I'm sure Bernie will be supporting the Dems again, no matter how much they haven't done, as he is a rational human being.

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-13 12:17 AM | Reply

With all due respect Corky. You sound like the political equivalent to a battered woman. You know the Democratic party isn't fighting for us yet you still support them no matter what. That's lunacy to say the least.

#21 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-13 12:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#21

I know that they are fighting for us more than any other party in this two party system.

Lunacy would be helping the other party by suppressing Dem turnout with a lot of self-serving whining.

Bernie understands that, but you don't.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-13 12:46 AM | Reply

"You know the Democratic party isn't fighting for us"

That's not the barometer.

Whoever "us" is, the Republican Party is fighting against.

They don't want women to have equal rights.

They don't want gays to have ANY rights

And they don't believe trans should exist.

You make the call. Vote for folks who have your best interests at heart, or don't.

#23 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 12:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

an infrastructure bill,
#18 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Only what Republicans would allow.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-13 12:57 AM | Reply

If McCarthy simply pleads the 5th and walks out, then what?

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-13 12:59 AM | Reply

McCarthy should just take a few pulls on a Biden crack pipe before testifying.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-13 01:09 AM | Reply

They don't want women to have equal rights.
They don't want gays to have ANY rights
And they don't believe trans should exist.

Don't forget about wanting to erase black history from US history.

Also, "the crisis at the border!" Which is just a dog whistle for xenophobes.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-13 02:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you had to choose between a dumb mechanic or a dishonest mechanic, which would you choose? I tend to vote a straight party line for Democrats. I don't believe Merican Democracy will survive another round with the Republicans and I don't believe the Democrats we have now are able to get the job done. I will not vote for Biden again. What do you do with an employee who can't do the job? This is not working and cannot work. The political game has changed and it's time to send in a varsity team.

#28 | Posted by iloveyou at 2022-05-13 02:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

None of this theater is going to move the needle in November.

#29 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-13 02:19 AM | Reply

I will not vote for Biden again.

If the DNC is smart. (And I'm not claiming they are)

They won't run Biden or Harris in 2024. Not unless they're looking to lose.

I'm not sure who they have they can run with.

But. I'd prefer a new face. More conviction. Who will to look Republicans in the eye and call them out on their bullshht.

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-13 02:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Who's willing to look ...

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-13 02:25 AM | Reply

"If McCarthy simply pleads the 5th and walks out, then what?"

#25 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I don't think anybody is going to get up and walk out.

I expect all five of them (if they show up at all) to coordinate their answers in one form or another . . . the 5th, or I can't remember, etc. Although the 5th is really a guilty plea.

These witnessed are misguided but they're not stupid. They have to know that the House Committee had enough evidence to crucify them under questioning prior to issuing the subpoenas. They also have to know that they're boxed in by the evidence and their only escape route is to run out the clock.

In the meantime, if they show up and play dumb, the Committee can pack a lot of incriminating evidence in just their questions alone. It's a Catch 22 for these witnesses.

It's hard to guess what people will do when they're running scared. The best case scenario is for the weakest of the five to accept a plea agreement with the DOJ to flip.

#32 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-05-13 06:34 AM | Reply

Subpoena's are meaningless. They are ignored with zero consequences.

#33 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-05-13 08:42 AM | Reply

I will not vote for Biden again.

That'll show him.

BIDEN DIDN'T GIVE ME EVERYTHING I WANT SO I AM GOING TO THE CRIMINALS BACK IN POWER.

Grow the ufck up.

Dumbs**ts like you clutched your pearls in 2016 and put the single biggest criminal in the US into the oval office.

#34 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-05-13 08:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

None of this theater is going to move the needle in November.

Maybe not, but it has to be done to put it on the record.

How embarrassing is it that the party of law and order........ignores law and order?

#35 | Posted by brass30 at 2022-05-13 09:54 AM | Reply

" They won't run Biden or Harris in 2024. Not unless they're looking to lose. "

If Biden makes it to 2024, and hopefully he does, nobody would hold anything against him or the party if he doesn't run a second term. Harris is a huge problem though. She's ambitious as heck and is also dreadful. Running a serious primary against her opens up all sorts of problems.

#36 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-13 11:31 AM | Reply

THAT'S they guy they gave us to defend democracy from fascism?

#8 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

We go to war with the army we have not the army we want.
Remember?

... ... .

None of this theater is going to move the needle in November.

#29 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Wishful thinking of course.

The "needle" has already moved.

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-13 11:48 AM | Reply

It's like talking down your team right before the game to their faces and to their fans. Wait until offseason and make your case at the polls for which candidates become Dem legislators.

Don't stab them in the back during the game.

#10 | Posted by Corky

No this is like telling your team when they're down by 20 in the 4th quarter that if they dont start trying harder theyre all getting cut next season.

I'm a die hard liberal, but if dems can't prosecute people who fomented a fascist coup and explain to the country the fascist crisis we face, there's no reason to donate to them or vote for them anymore. It requires zero republicans votes so dont talk to me about the filibuster. It's purely in dems hands to do and they're not doing it.

They might be our "only option" but that really means we have ZERO options. It's over.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 12:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Subpoena's are meaningless. They are ignored with zero consequences.

#33 | Posted by Nixon

Because biden picked an impotent moderate judge as AG to avoid being called partisan, instead of an aggressive attack dog to save democracy.

All that work we did to elect dems in 2020 and all they did is PAUSE our march to fascism by a couple years.

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 12:09 PM | Reply

None of this theater is going to move the needle in November.

#29 | Posted by BellRinger

You're sort of right. When one party is above the law because they control a mass of violent morons, and talk of prosecuting them is just theater.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 12:11 PM | Reply

- they're down by 20 in the 4th quarter

The other team has fumbled the ball several times in the 4th quarter.... supporting the demise of Roe when 70 percent of Americans don't, Trump dividing the party by supporting weirdos and Ozs, the Putin Wing of the party... you are giving up a mite too soon; the game isn't over.

But hey, when your goal is Puridopianism, not the slight edge that this system offers, you are always going to be either losing or thinking you are losing.

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-13 12:24 PM | Reply

But hey, when your goal is Puridopianism, not the slight edge that this system offers, you are always going to be either losing or thinking you are losing.

#41 | Posted by Corky

Only puritans want to prosecute fascists who tried to overthrow the government? How come you status quo sellout dont want to prosecut them too.

It requires ZERO republican support. It's the ONE THING dems can do on their own to prove they are worth voting for and they're not doing it.

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 12:34 PM | Reply

- status quo sellout

If by that you mean rational person who supports Bernie's position on this, then, OK, I guess.

- It requires ZERO republican support.

Getting all but one Dem makes all Dems at fault? That's some maths you gots there.

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-13 03:06 PM | Reply

status quo sellout

If by that you mean rational person who supports Bernie's position on this, then, OK, I guess.

- It requires ZERO republican support.

Getting all but one Dem makes all Dems at fault? That's some maths you gots there.

#43 | Posted by Corky

How many years are you going to play the "bernie says" card? You think he's the god of progressivism or some kind of tactical genius?

There's zero votes needed from republicans here. Dems are in charge of the investigation and the justice department. There are no excuses except cowardice and delusion about the trouble we're in - the trademark traits of moderates.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 03:08 PM | Reply

Calm down, Twoofy.
All we are saying is save it for when we are selecting candidates, not for when we are fighting to keep the ones we already selected from giving the House to Trumpers, not suppressing the vote by trashing Dems with a "parties are the same" rhetoric.

I'm just curious, what's the point? Seriously, what is the ------- point?

We've voted in Dems, they did ------- for 2 years and now they want more?

Republicans get their way whether in power or not, so what is the ------- point of wasting money time and effort on a bunch of -------- who don't deliver?

It is pathetic that dems have 6 more months before an election and choose to do ----, but say we need to win in November.

---- that you had 2 years and done ----.

492 days and counting

#45 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-13 03:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I know that they are fighting for us more than any other party in this two party system.
Lunacy would be helping the other party by suppressing Dem turnout with a lot of self-serving whining.
Bernie understands that, but you don't.

#22 | POSTED BY CORKY A

Corky, let me make this perfectly clear.

The dems are permitting the republicans to establish near permanent minority rule.

They are allowing the republicans to gerrymander and voter suppress to the point where your ------- vote means less than nothing.

I live in New Jersey, my presidential vote hasn't meant anything as long as I have been of voting age. Zero, nada zilch.

Republicans have gerrymandered to the point that the vast majority of American's votes for HoR mean nothing, nada, zilch.

Republicans efforts at voter suppression will assure that the vast majority of American's votes for the Senate mean nothing, nada, zilch.

All the while assuring that even if they somehow lose the presidency in the electoral college they can just ignore the results and appoint a president.

All done legally btw.

So, tell me, again, what is the point of wasting time effort and money on a losing cause?

#46 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-13 03:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The dems are permitting the republicans to establish near permanent minority rule."

And the best way to help Republicans is to not vote.
~Sincerely, Actual Math

#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 03:18 PM | Reply

And the best way to help Republicans is to not vote.
~Sincerely, Actual Math

#47 | Posted by Danforth

Voting doesnt work either if dems wont use their power to do what they were elected to do.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 03:23 PM | Reply

Vote for folks who have your best interests at heart, or don't.

POSTED BY DANFORTH

Or don't and suffer the consequences.

Elections matter. More than ever.

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-13 03:34 PM | Reply

"The dems are permitting the republicans to establish near permanent minority rule."
And the best way to help Republicans is to not vote.
~Sincerely, Actual Math

#47 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

You're missing the point.

Voting no longer matters in the Fascist States of America.

Gerrymandering will take care of 2022.

Voter Suppression and Republican control of legislatures will take care of 2024

Again, my vote in NJ means NOTHING.

#50 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-13 03:39 PM | Reply

Or don't and suffer the consequences.
Elections matter. More than ever.

#49 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY A

Dems will have abortion and a pretty darn good economy in November along with successes like covid relief and infrastructure

And will get their asses handed to them.

The elections that mattered happened along time ago.

#51 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-13 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"my vote in NJ means NOTHING."

Now do your attitude in a swing state.

#52 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 03:44 PM | Reply

"my vote in NJ means NOTHING."
Now do your attitude in a swing state.

#52 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Which swing state would that be?

#53 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-13 03:45 PM | Reply

If dems can't win "swing states" on an issue like Freedom to Choose, what does that say about democracy?

#54 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-13 03:46 PM | Reply

"If dems can't win "swing states" on an issue like Freedom to Choose, what does that say about democracy?"

That just enough Dems have decided to give up.

You're leading that parade, aren't you?

#55 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 03:54 PM | Reply

The Democratic Party is a timid gerontocracy, too scared of its own shadow to do the right thing. In their quixotic quest to appear reasonable to unreasonable people, they just get steamrolled by bad faith Republicans.

You can't blame Corky for defending this losing strategy; he's from the same generation as the folks allowing America to collapse, and he'll probably be gone before it matters. Don't worry Corky, we'll do our best to clean up your mess.

#56 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-13 03:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Which swing state would that be?"

Try Georgia.

What did giving up do for the Republicans?

#57 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 03:57 PM | Reply

"If dems can't win "swing states" on an issue like Freedom to Choose, what does that say about democracy?"
That just enough Dems have decided to give up.
You're leading that parade, aren't you?

#55 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

LOL

Again, what is the point when republicans get what they want regardless of dems wishes? All the support in the world achieved bubkus

but yeah it's my fault for stating the truth

truth hurts donut

#58 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-13 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What did giving up do for the Republicans?

#57 | POSTED BY DANFORTH A

What have dems done to stop republicans from suppressing voters in Georgia? Cause next time around, it won't matter

#59 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-13 03:59 PM | Reply

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

There are 4 Democratic-leaning seats, 9 Republican-leaning seats and 1 highly competitive seat in Georgia's new map.
Change from old map: +1 Republican-leaning seat, -1 highly competitive seat.

www.brennancenter.org
Nowhere is this more obvious than in Georgia, where last week, Gov. Brian Kemp signed into law an omnibus bill that targets Black voters with uncanny accuracy.

Seems like republicans are assuring GA goes back/stays red

Truth Hurts

#60 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-13 04:02 PM | Reply

"Seems like republicans are assuring GA goes back/stays red"

All the more reason for Dems to get timid now, right?

#61 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 04:06 PM | Reply

Seems like republicans are assuring GA goes back/stays red"
All the more reason for Dems to get timid now, right?

#61 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Why are you not questioning why they havent done anything?

#62 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-13 04:09 PM | Reply

Elections matter. More than ever.

#49 | Posted by donnerboy

Not anymore. Dems could have made elections still matter. But they were cowards.

#63 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 05:06 PM | Reply

What did giving up do for the Republicans?

#57 | Posted by Danforth

Didn't hurt them at all. If they'd have kept the senate they'd have used their power to keep trump from facing accountability.

They lost the senate and still trump will face no accountability.

#64 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 05:08 PM | Reply

"Didn't hurt them at all."

WTF are you blathering about? Lady G. admitting Judge Jackson wouldn't have been given a hearing.

I'm sure Shumer and McConnell might have something to say as well.

#65 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 05:13 PM | Reply

WTF are you blathering about? Lady G. admitting Judge Jackson wouldn't have been given a hearing.

I'm sure Shumer and McConnell might have something to say as well.

#65 | Posted by Danforth

And roe would still be overturned.

#66 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 05:23 PM | Reply

"And roe would still be overturned."

Your plan is to give up.

Forgive me for not enlisting.

#67 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 05:46 PM | Reply

Your plan is to give up.

Forgive me for not enlisting.

#67 | Posted by Danforth

Honestly liberalism's new plan should be secession. That's something I'll donate and campaign for. Delusional corporate dems aren't going to do crap for liberalism in the future if they didnt this past year. Some of us learn quicker than others.

Looks who they elected - a man so out of touch with the crisis that he thought repubs would go "back to normal" after trump's defeat. Anyone with a brain knew that wasnt' going to happen. But the leader of our party didnt.

#68 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 05:54 PM | Reply

"Look who they elected"

The only guy who could beat Trump.

You keep pretending the alternative would've been acceptable.

#69 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 06:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The only guy who could beat Trump.

Pretty sure a wet paper bag could have beaten Trump.

The fat orange loser was having one colossal breakdown after another leading up to the November election.

#70 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-13 07:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In other words.

More people showed up to vote against Trump than to vote for Biden.

#71 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-13 07:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Look who they elected"

The only guy who could beat Trump.

You keep pretending the alternative would've been acceptable.

#69 | Posted by Danforth

Yeah trump was killing thousands of americans per day with lies, had embarrassed america on the world stage, sold us out to putin, and taken corruption to previously unimaginable levels, but ONLY BIDEN could have beaten him.

Based on exactly ZERO evidence.

#72 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 07:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Based on exactly ZERO evidence."

There's plenty of evidence; you just won't admit what it says. Bernie would've been crushed, especially in MI and WI. Liz shot herself in the foot with her support of a $15 minimum wage; she didn't even win or place second in her home state and would've lost PA to boot.

Feel free to prove me wrong. Claiming zero evidence is carp.

#73 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 07:14 PM | Reply

Feel free to prove me wrong. Claiming zero evidence is carp.

#73 | Posted by Danforth

Any competent dem would have beaten trump in 2019.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

#74 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 07:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Pretty sure a wet paper bag could have beaten Trump."

More people voted for Trump this time than voted for Hillary Clinton.

#75 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 07:28 PM | Reply

"Feel free to prove me wrong."

Easy. Team Trump wasn't asking for dirt on anyone else. And only Biden had the pull in MI, WI, PA, and GA.

None of the others had any negative ads run. That's because every other candidate wrote their own op-ads by the positions they took.

#76 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 07:33 PM | Reply

" Any competent dem would have beaten trump in 2019."

Too bad the election wasn't held that year.

#77 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 07:34 PM | Reply

More people voted for Trump this time than voted for Hillary Clinton.

#75 | Posted by Danforth

8 million more people vote for biden than trump, and it's not because biden offered anything besides "I'm not trump"

#78 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 08:11 PM | Reply

" 8 million more people vote for biden than trump"

And 9 million more voted for Trump in 2020 than voted for HRC in 2016.

Trump would've beaten anyone but Biden.

#79 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 08:24 PM | Reply

Trump would've beaten anyone but Biden.

#79 | Posted by Danforth

Again, with zero evidence.

More likely trump couldnt have beaten anyone but hillary. Again.

#80 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 08:33 PM | Reply

" it's not because biden offered anything besides "I'm not trump""

Whereas every other Democrat offered "I'm not Trump, but I'll jack up your taxes, or drive you out of business with a $15 minimum wage."

Republicans were salivating at facing anyone but Biden. So much so, Trump got impeached from his fear.

#81 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 08:46 PM | Reply

Whereas every other Democrat offered "I'm not Trump, but I'll jack up your taxes, or drive you out of business with a $15 minimum wage."

Republicans were salivating at facing anyone but Biden. So much so, Trump got impeached from his fear.

#81 | Posted by Danforth

Raising taxes on the rich and corporations is one of the best polling questions you can ask americans.

Biden was busy telling them "Nothing has to change for you" and sucking up for their money

#82 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 08:53 PM | Reply

" Again, with zero evidence."

Again, with ignoring everything we lived through.

Aren't you the idiot who keeps claiming all these folks are for M4A, while not considering a single group that will mobilize against it?

#83 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 08:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Raising taxes on the rich and corporations is one of the best polling questions you can ask americans."

Bernie was not just going to raise taxes on the rich. His M4A plan admitted as much in the funding equation. I read it; you should as well.

Jacking up everybody's taxes is a horrible polling position. Bernie would've been (falsely) attacked as a Socialist/Communist, and (rightly) attacked for wanting to jack up everyone's taxes.

#84 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 09:00 PM | Reply

" Biden was busy telling them "Nothing has to change for you""

And he got elected by beating Trump.

You seem disappointed.

#85 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 09:02 PM | Reply

Aren't you the idiot who keeps claiming all these folks are for M4A, while not considering a single group that will mobilize against it?

#83 | Posted by Danforth

Oh wow I guess we should only pursue policies that no one will mobilize against. Which is....NOTHING. Exactly the current democrat strategy apparently.

Meanwhile republicans dont worry about what people will mobilize against. They hammer away at their voters every day TELLING them what's important and making them believe it. And they win.

#86 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 09:37 PM | Reply

" Biden was busy telling them "Nothing has to change for you""

And he got elected by beating Trump.

You seem disappointed.

#85 | Posted by Danforth

If you're not disappointed in democrats choices since the election, you're not paying much attention. They act like they slayed the dragon and can just relax. Meanwhile it's the last years of function democracy.

What have they done? Some roads and bridges.

Their only real accomplishment is foreign policy - getting out of afghanistan and finally confronting our real enemy - putin. But only because the ukraine situation forced them to. Not because they would have done anything about putin otherwise.

#87 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-13 09:40 PM | Reply

" Oh wow I guess we should only pursue policies that no one will mobilize against."

That's not my point, nor was it ever.

I was just warning against morons who willingly see only what they want, and ignore reality on the ground.

For example, anyone who thinks Bernie Sanders could've beaten Donald Trump is a raging idiot.

#88 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 11:04 PM | Reply

"What have they done?"

Kept Trump from a second term.

Not good enough for you?

#89 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-13 11:06 PM | Reply

Kept Trump from a second term.

While that is meaningful, you have to admit that Trumpism is basically just taking a moment to reload right now before it continues its assault on America. There are ways for Dems to address that right now and they aren't doing any of it. So yeah, Trump isn't President, but he and his party will still destroy the country.

#90 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-13 11:56 PM | Reply

" There are ways for Dems to address that right now and they aren't doing any of it."

I don't know that, and you don't know that.

What I have seen is an acceleration of activity regarding 1/6, and a distinct possibility the last thing this Congress does is appoint a special prosecutor.

You, of all people, are aware the DOJ can't talk about ANYTHING until they indict. Correct?

#91 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 12:08 AM | Reply

I don't know that, and you don't know that.

Banning partisan gerrymandering and expanding the Supreme Court would absolutely have an impact here. The lack of effort here is a failure to the point of almost looking intentional. Republicans wield their (minority) majorities, no matter how slim, with absolute authority and zero hesitation. Dems' timidity and refusal to do the same should infuriate you.

#92 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-14 05:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Schumer and Pelosi should hold votes on a partisan gerrymandering ban and expansion of the Supreme Court on a daily basis. And people like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema need to be called out by name every single day by Joe Biden and every other party leader. Some say this poses a risk of them changing parties, but the stakes are too big to even care about this anymore. The apparent lack of a unified strategy and the lack of visible effort is unacceptable for a major political party in this country.

#93 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-14 05:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Voting doesnt work either if dems wont use their power to do what they were elected to do.

Dems are compromised; by design. Their drive to be a "big tent" party means that they get people like Cuellar in the HOR and Manchin/Sinema in the Senate. It's as if dems don't believe in their core issues because they are willing to support incumbents that have positions that are the antithesis of what dems claim to be their core values. Manchin/Sinema "claim" to support dems core values but their lack of willingness to do what it takes to implement those values are evidence of their weak/non existent support. Yeah.. Sinema/Manchin "talk the talk" but won't "walk the walk".

The problem with our elections are dark money. I suspect that every elected politician benefits from it whether they are willing to admit it or not. How is it that over 50% of the people that serve in congress are millionaires? What percent were millionaires when they went in? Being a congressional rep/senator is a racket that is funded by the wealthy and dark money is the fuel that is ruining our government.

#94 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2022-05-14 06:22 AM | Reply

If we want to win 2024 we need to somehow convince Michelle Obama to run. Otherwise, I almost guarantee it will be Gov. Death-sentence in the Oval Office. Biden and or Harris are DOA if they try to run.

#19 | Posted by byrdman

Anyone who claims to know that is too.

Latinos loved bernie. Not so much hillary or biden.

Latinos want anti establishment populist candidates. The dem establishment sabotages anti establishment candidates.

#95 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-14 02:37 PM | Reply

You, of all people, are aware the DOJ can't talk about ANYTHING until they indict. Correct?

#91 | Posted by Danforth

The DOJ can punish people for refusing to testify or ignoring congressional subpoenas. Garland is a coward and the man who chose him is too. Nothing is stopping dems from raining subpoenas on the fascists insurrectionists and enforcing them with the full force of the law except democrat cowardice.

#96 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-14 02:40 PM | Reply

"Republicans are evil, Democrats are...ineffective (nicest way I can put it)"

I understand your frustrations but the real basic cure revolves aroubd defeating Republicans, it takes money. I get emails every day begging for any amount I can afford, If we are honestly serious we all have to start donating what we can both in dollars and time helping Democratic candidates. I syill remember pur group effort in electing Obama ny a huge margin, it took millioms of s,all donayitns and millions of hours by volunteers calling and calling. Anyune who wants change has that campaign as an example of how to achieve it.
BTW ley's all get behind Mivhelle Obama fot President.!

#97 | Posted by danni at 2022-05-14 07:28 PM | Reply

#97 The "we just need to elect a few more Democrats" argument loses a lot of credibility when you consider some of the Congressional majorities Obama had. He never codified Roe, never banned partisan gerrymandering, never did absolutely anything proactive to protect Americans against what is happening today.

At some point people get tired of hearing the same ---- election cycle after election cycle. They have the trifecta now, and are highly unlikely to ever have it again unless they start publicly bullying, privately bribing, literally whatever the ---- they have to do to stop the fascist idiocratic tide that's swelling in this country.

#98 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-14 09:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Honestly if the Biden presidency ends without any movement on these big ticket items it will be regarded as one of the most failed presidencies in US history.

#99 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-14 09:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Biden declares everyone who participated in 1/6 in any fashion a domestic terrorist and ships them off to gitmo as enemy combatants
That will make it easier to convict or not even bothering to convict them
Just let me rot
And dare the rest to raise a stink
Lincoln wouldn't have hesitated

#100 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-14 09:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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