" It's a mistake to believe that opposition to late term abortion is solely based on religion."

It's not. It's based on controlling women.

For proof, watch how they react when folks meet them on their own turf, and say YES, let's make life better for the expectant and new mother: let's increase pre-natal care, fully fund early childhood development, and strengthen family leave.

They run for the hills.

"Without the religious aspect of the anti-abortion movement none would care whatsoever."

Disagree. Religion is ultimately a smokescreen; every one of those zealots would secure an abortion for their pregnant girlfriends.

The bride, who has the best b.s. meter of anyone I know, summed it up: "It's all about controlling women ... down there." Truer words were never spoken.

" Abortion is barbaric but it's particularly so after the first trimester"

Well, that eliminates 93%.

"those who push for it after the first trimester usually have to dehumanize a developing life"

According to Johns Hopkins, roughly 8% have difficult or dangerous pregnancies. So exactly how many are we talking about who are as cavalier as you're suggesting? Two percent? One percent? Less?

"You do realize you are talking about killing a developing life, yes?"

You do realize you're playing Humpty Dumpty with words that already have definitions, yes?

But spare me the fake drama; you've admitted you're alright with killing, until you're not.

" Even non religious people care about human lives and babies."

Not you, not in the first trimester. You clearly don't care about that human life, that baby. You've stated multiple times you're okay with killing that developing fetus. So spare us the holier-than-thou crap.

"Outside of that it is state-sanctioned murder"

How not inside that?

" ... and I don't delude myself otherwise."

Nonsense. You delude yourself like crazy. You pretend masses of women approach pregnancy in a cavalier manner, when the actual number of folks using abortion as birth control might total one percent.

" It needs to be legal because if it isn't legal it will be conducted in back alleys or with a coat hanger. "

And the 14th week it won't be?!?

" In 2020 this country saw 3.6 million babies born. That would be 36,000 babies slaughtered as a "birth control" measure.

WTF kind of Republican Math are you using??? Your math assumes ALL pregnancies become abortions.

I was referring to ~1% of abortions.

And 1% could be a huge overstatement.

"So, we don't draw a line at all?"

You don't get bonus points for not killing after a point, when you're willing to kill up to that point.

My line is when the woman and her doctor decide. Yours is when you and the males leading government decide.

" An overwhelming majority of abortions are elective."

And 93% are in the first trimester, and 8% are troublesome or dangerous. What does your math leave?

" The percentage that is tied to the health of the mother is extremely low."

You're moving the goalposts, and being intellectually dishonest. After the first trimester, the percentage of problems for either the baby or the mother, where it ends in abortion, skyrockets.

"I am not sure what math you are using"

Dude ... did you realize your math pretended ALL pregnancies ended in abortion?

Let's fix YOUR math first, shall we?

" a smaller number of abortions (6.2%) were performed at 14"20 weeks' gestation, and even fewer (1.0%) were performed at 21 weeks' gestation."

Johns Hopkins: 8% of pregnancies are difficult or dangerous.

That seems to cover a lot in the second trimester.

The third trimester is almost always a tragedy, where something has gone horribly wrong at the 11th hour.

"That's a lot of slaughtered babies."

What? Nothing about your claim being off by 500%?

And nothing about you being okay with 585,000 of those slaughters?

Double standards much?

" Do you honestly support zero limitations on abortion up to leaving the birth canal?"

Do you honestly believe that's what is happening on a regular basis? Because you're certainly pretending as much.

How about doing some research on third trimester abortions, and THEN tell us how often women are opting for abortion over birth that day.

Then we can finally get to the crux of the matter: how to make abortions rare and safe. Spoiler Alert: you won't like that either. It's all about empowering women with frank, honest sex education, and ample access to birth control. And then we can tackle the adjunct issues, like pre-natal care, child care, and family leave.

You know ... if you actually care about the women, and not just the political football.

"I just understand that it needs to be legal early in gestation"

Except you've called it slaughter.

So let's just lay it out: you're foursquare against the 690,000 slaughters, but okay with 585,000 of them.

" Most people believe that at some point the mass of cells should have some rights as the pregnancy nears it's term."

And how many women opt for abortion on delivery day? How many abortions occur in the 9th month, and why? How about you do your research first?

Hopefully, once you learn the answer, you can stop with the insulting lies.

" Abortion should never be allowed at any time for any reason"

... unless I or one of my loved ones needs/wants one.

At least be honest about the facts on the ground.