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Friday, May 13, 2022

As the country approaches what could be a watershed moment in the history of abortion laws and policies, relatively few Americans on either side of the debate take an absolutist view on the legality of abortion - either supporting or opposing it at all times, regardless of circumstances.

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are the majority of white protestants "nonevangelical"? i think, not. they're all fundamentalist zealots in one form or another.

#1 | Posted by ichiro at 2022-05-12 06:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"they're all fundamentalist zealots "

What a stupid worldview.

#2 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2022-05-12 08:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Congratulations the number one comment is full of prejudice and bigotry.

You can't even bring yourself to celebrate that you agree with them on abortion.

#3 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-13 12:30 AM | Reply

It's a mistake to believe that opposition to late term abortion is solely based on religion. Few would say abortion should be legal in all cases.

#4 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-05-14 12:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" It's a mistake to believe that opposition to late term abortion is solely based on religion."

It's not. It's based on controlling women.

For proof, watch how they react when folks meet them on their own turf, and say YES, let's make life better for the expectant and new mother: let's increase pre-natal care, fully fund early childhood development, and strengthen family leave.

They run for the hills.

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 12:30 AM | Reply

they're all fundamentalist zealots in one form or another.
#1 | POSTED BY ICHIRO

Looks like you've offended the fundamental zealots.

I approve.

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-14 12:34 AM | Reply

It's a mistake to believe that opposition to late term abortion is solely based on religion. Few would say abortion should be legal in all cases.

POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT 2022-05-14 12:20 AM | REPLY

It has everything to do with religion. Without the religious aspect of the anti-abortion movement none would care whatsoever.

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-14 12:37 AM | Reply

Even non religious people care about human lives and babies.

#8 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-14 12:38 AM | Reply

Abortion is barbaric but it's particularly so after the first trimester and those who push for it after the first trimester usually have to dehumanize a developing life to try and justify it - it's just a clump of parasitic cells!

#9 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-14 12:40 AM | Reply

"Without the religious aspect of the anti-abortion movement none would care whatsoever."

Disagree. Religion is ultimately a smokescreen; every one of those zealots would secure an abortion for their pregnant girlfriends.

The bride, who has the best b.s. meter of anyone I know, summed it up: "It's all about controlling women ... down there." Truer words were never spoken.

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 12:42 AM | Reply

Danforth,

You do realize you are talking about killing a developing life, yes?

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-14 12:43 AM | Reply

Abortion is barbaric but it's particularly so after the first trimester and those who push for it after the first trimester usually have to dehumanize a developing life to try and justify it - it's just a clump of parasitic cells!

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2022-05-14 12:40 AM | REPLY

Give me a break. You know what is barbaric. Forcing a woman to give birth then denying that baby food clothing and shelter. Now THAT'S barbaric.

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-14 12:51 AM | Reply

" Abortion is barbaric but it's particularly so after the first trimester"

Well, that eliminates 93%.

"those who push for it after the first trimester usually have to dehumanize a developing life"

According to Johns Hopkins, roughly 8% have difficult or dangerous pregnancies. So exactly how many are we talking about who are as cavalier as you're suggesting? Two percent? One percent? Less?

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 12:51 AM | Reply

"You do realize you are talking about killing a developing life, yes?"

You do realize you're playing Humpty Dumpty with words that already have definitions, yes?

But spare me the fake drama; you've admitted you're alright with killing, until you're not.

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 12:57 AM | Reply

I'm not alright with it. I know it will happen no matter what so during the first trimester I think it needs to be legal. Outside of that it is state-sanctioned murder and I don't delude myself otherwise.

#15 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-14 01:00 AM | Reply

" Even non religious people care about human lives and babies."

Not you, not in the first trimester. You clearly don't care about that human life, that baby. You've stated multiple times you're okay with killing that developing fetus. So spare us the holier-than-thou crap.

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 01:04 AM | Reply

#15 Nonsense. It's a medical procedure. It's not state sanctioned murder.

#17 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-14 01:04 AM | Reply

"Outside of that it is state-sanctioned murder"

How not inside that?

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 01:05 AM | Reply

#16 I know it's going to happen no matter what. I don't deceive myself. Even in the first trimester it is barbaric. It needs to be legal because if it isn't legal it will be conducted in back alleys or with a coat hanger. Making it legal doesn't change the fact that we are condoning the slaughter of a human life.

#19 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-14 01:08 AM | Reply

" ... and I don't delude myself otherwise."

Nonsense. You delude yourself like crazy. You pretend masses of women approach pregnancy in a cavalier manner, when the actual number of folks using abortion as birth control might total one percent.

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 01:09 AM | Reply

But by all means go ahead and glorify it and dehumanize the life that is being destroyed.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-14 01:10 AM | Reply

"when the actual number of folks using abortion as birth control might total one percent."

In 2020 this country saw 3.6 million babies born. That would be 36,000 babies slaughtered as a "birth control" measure.

#22 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-14 01:13 AM | Reply

Seriously none of you are going to celebrate that the clear majority of Christians in this country agree that abortion should remain legal?

#23 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-14 01:13 AM | Reply

" It needs to be legal because if it isn't legal it will be conducted in back alleys or with a coat hanger. "

And the 14th week it won't be?!?

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 01:13 AM | Reply

But by all means go ahead and glorify it and dehumanize the life that is being destroyed.

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2022-05-14 01:10 AM | REPLY

Nobody is glorifying abortion. It is something that should remain the sole domain of the woman's however.

#25 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-14 01:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And the 14th week it won't be?!?

#24 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2022-05-14 01:13 AM |"

So, we don't draw a line at all? Drill a hold in the soft spot of the head during crowning and that's OK?

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-14 01:17 AM | Reply

" In 2020 this country saw 3.6 million babies born. That would be 36,000 babies slaughtered as a "birth control" measure.

WTF kind of Republican Math are you using??? Your math assumes ALL pregnancies become abortions.

I was referring to ~1% of abortions.

And 1% could be a huge overstatement.

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 01:21 AM | Reply

To term fetuses are never going to be aborted. It doesn't happen.

#28 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-14 01:23 AM | Reply

"So, we don't draw a line at all?"

You don't get bonus points for not killing after a point, when you're willing to kill up to that point.

My line is when the woman and her doctor decide. Yours is when you and the males leading government decide.

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 01:25 AM | Reply

#27 An overwhelming majority of abortions are elective. The percentage that is tied to the health of the mother is extremely low. So, I am not sure what math you are using but it's absolutely a birth control procedure almost all of the time.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-14 01:26 AM | Reply

"My line is when the woman and her doctor decide."

And the life of the child has ZERO relevance. After all, it's just a clump of parasitic cells, right?

#31 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-14 01:29 AM | Reply

27 An overwhelming majority of abortions are elective. The percentage that is tied to the health of the mother is extremely low. So, I am not sure what math you are using but it's absolutely a birth control procedure almost all of the time.

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2022-05-14 01:26

You don't have a say in this. Not your decision to make.

#32 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-14 01:29 AM | Reply

Do you believe that there shouldn't be any restrictions on abortion up to the time of natural birth?

#33 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-05-14 01:31 AM | Reply

#33 The answer to that question seems pretty obvious.

#34 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-14 01:33 AM | Reply

" An overwhelming majority of abortions are elective."

And 93% are in the first trimester, and 8% are troublesome or dangerous. What does your math leave?

" The percentage that is tied to the health of the mother is extremely low."

You're moving the goalposts, and being intellectually dishonest. After the first trimester, the percentage of problems for either the baby or the mother, where it ends in abortion, skyrockets.

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 01:34 AM | Reply

An overwhelming majority of abortions are elective.

True ..

1.14% are done to save the life or physical health of the mother.
1.28% to preserve the mental health of the mother.
0.39% in cases of rape or ------.
0.69% for fetal birth defects, or eugenics.
3.50% for all the hard cases combined.
96.50% of all abortions are therefore performed for social or economic reasons.

Also Women in their twenties accounted for the majority of abortions (56.9%).

92.7% of abortions were performed at 13 weeks' gestation; a smaller number of abortions (6.2%) were performed at 14"20 weeks' gestation, and even fewer (1.0%) were performed at 21 weeks' gestation.

~ CDC

#36 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-05-14 01:35 AM | Reply

Do you believe that there shouldn't be any restrictions on abortion up to the time of natural birth?

49 Senators said NO .. my guess is the barbarians here would agree with them.

#37 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-05-14 01:36 AM | Reply

"I am not sure what math you are using"

Dude ... did you realize your math pretended ALL pregnancies ended in abortion?

Let's fix YOUR math first, shall we?

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 01:36 AM | Reply

According the the CDC there were 630,000 legal abortions in the US in 2019. That's a lot of slaughtered babies.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-14 01:40 AM | Reply

" a smaller number of abortions (6.2%) were performed at 14"20 weeks' gestation, and even fewer (1.0%) were performed at 21 weeks' gestation."

Johns Hopkins: 8% of pregnancies are difficult or dangerous.

That seems to cover a lot in the second trimester.

The third trimester is almost always a tragedy, where something has gone horribly wrong at the 11th hour.

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 01:41 AM | Reply

Abortion is barbaric

Emotional argument not based on facts or reason.

That's all you got.

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-14 01:45 AM | Reply

"And the life of the child has ZERO relevance."


Right because that's what everyone always says every time.

It always all or nothing yes or no up or down with you extremists about complex issues that rarely have binary solutions.

I mean seriously. What is the point?

I honestly I don't see why anybody even tries to discuss these kind of things with fixed news Trumpers anymore who are obviously not interested in any good faith discussions with them radical neo democrats or them ebil child eating libruls.

Might as well just point and laugh at ourselves and move on and go fill out the mail in ballots and get them ready to go. Then go help a friend vote. (No don't be a cheating republican and try to vote twice or in multiple states or for your dead wife).

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-14 01:46 AM | Reply

"That's a lot of slaughtered babies."

What? Nothing about your claim being off by 500%?

And nothing about you being okay with 585,000 of those slaughters?

Double standards much?

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 01:47 AM | Reply

"Emotional argument not based on facts or reason.

That's all you got.

#41 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2022-05-14 01:45 AM |"

Do you want me to link some pictures?

#44 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-14 01:47 AM | Reply

#43 Double standards my ass! I'm not OK with any of it I just understand that it needs to be legal early in gestation. You on the other hand don't appear to have any kind of opposition or revulsion to it at all.

#45 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-14 01:50 AM | Reply

Do you honestly support zero limitations on abortion up to leaving the birth canal? If no, then what in the heck are we arguing about? If yes, then what in the hell is wrong with you?

#46 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-14 01:53 AM | Reply

This doesn't deal with abortion, but it kind of relates and is a great TV clip:

www.youtube.com

#47 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-05-14 02:03 AM | Reply

" Do you honestly support zero limitations on abortion up to leaving the birth canal?"

Do you honestly believe that's what is happening on a regular basis? Because you're certainly pretending as much.

How about doing some research on third trimester abortions, and THEN tell us how often women are opting for abortion over birth that day.

Then we can finally get to the crux of the matter: how to make abortions rare and safe. Spoiler Alert: you won't like that either. It's all about empowering women with frank, honest sex education, and ample access to birth control. And then we can tackle the adjunct issues, like pre-natal care, child care, and family leave.

You know ... if you actually care about the women, and not just the political football.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 09:10 AM | Reply

"I just understand that it needs to be legal early in gestation"

Except you've called it slaughter.

So let's just lay it out: you're foursquare against the 690,000 slaughters, but okay with 585,000 of them.

#49 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 09:14 AM | Reply

There are two principled postitions at the extremes and there is a compromise somewhere in the middle.

1. Abortion should never be allowed at any time for any reason
2. Abortion should be allowed at any time for any or no reason

Most people believe that at some point the mass of cells should have some rights as the pregnancy nears it's term.

#50 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-05-14 09:46 AM | Reply

" Most people believe that at some point the mass of cells should have some rights as the pregnancy nears it's term."

And how many women opt for abortion on delivery day? How many abortions occur in the 9th month, and why? How about you do your research first?

Hopefully, once you learn the answer, you can stop with the insulting lies.

#51 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 09:51 AM | Reply

" Abortion should never be allowed at any time for any reason"

... unless I or one of my loved ones needs/wants one.

At least be honest about the facts on the ground.

#52 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-14 09:54 AM | Reply

there is a compromise somewhere in the middle.

1. Abortion should never be allowed at any time for any reason

2. Abortion should be allowed at any time for any or no reason

#50 | POSTED BY VISITOR

That's the compromise we have now.

Sam Alito was raised Catholic and doesn't agree, so he's going to force us all to be Catholics now.

#53 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-14 09:54 AM | Reply

Zed, I think we'll end up approximately where we started but we will have gotten there by legistlative rather than judicial over-reach means.

#54 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-05-14 10:07 AM | Reply

Sam Alito was raised Catholic and doesn't agree, so he's going to force us all to be Catholics now.

#53 | POSTED BY ZED

Succinct summation of where we sit.

Bans Off Our Bodies rallies all over the country today. Find one near you and stand in support.

reproductiverights.org

#55 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-14 10:15 AM | Reply

Sam Alito was raised Catholic and doesn't agree, so he's going to force us all to be Catholics now.
#53 | POSTED BY ZED

SAm Alito is a Man, so he's going to force us all to be Men now.

Succinct summation of where we sit.

Its a poor excuse to blame religion; keeping you from , being a barbarian.

Bans Off Our Bodies rallies

Is this an AntiVaccine rally?

#56 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-05-14 10:30 AM | Reply

#56 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Always cute when a fascist wants to argue morality.

#57 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-14 11:23 AM | Reply

I think we'll end up approximately where we started but we will have gotten there by legistlative rather than judicial over-reach means.

#54 | POSTED BY VISITOR

True story:

I spoke with a pro-life activist one day who stated that they intended to make abortion illegal through legal means.

I asked if it would then be OK for the rest of us to make abortion legal again through legal means?

He said "NO".

#58 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-14 11:36 AM | Reply

Bans Off Our Bodies rallies
Is this an AntiVaccine rally?
#56 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Would you support it if it was?

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-14 12:21 PM | Reply

"Pro life" - pro death penalty

"Pro life" - anti child care

"Pro life" - anti support for single mothers

"Pro life" - anti elderly care

"Pro life" - anti vaccine

"Pro life" - anti universal healthcare

Face it. Pro life means nothing more than "forced birth".

Then they don't care if the child or the mother die.

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-14 12:56 PM | Reply

Bans Off Our Bodies rallies

Is this an AntiVaccine rally?

#56 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Yes!! Show up and carry a sign!

#61 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-14 12:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#51 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

He doesn't even have to do the research. The info has been posted by multiple posters on multiple threads. But once more for the record.

91% of abortions before 13 weeks. 8% weeks 14-20. 1% after 20. .1% after 24. .01% after 30. Of that 1% after 20, most of the time it's due to a lethal fetal abnormality or for the life of the mother. Which means that in most cases the patient seeking a later term abortion wanted a baby, but something went horribly wrong. And it's a very difficult procedure requiring several days and costing several thousand dollars.

www.kff.org

respectcaregivers.org

www.cdc.gov

www.motherjones.com

Also check posting history from Truthhurts, GTBritishSkull, and JPW. They had some very informative posts in the past week or so.

If they're anti-abortion due to personal ethical or religious reasons, OK. But if they're willfully ignoring facts to try to paint a picture of a flood of 8 month pregnant women lining up for later term abortions because it sounds like a good time, they're being willfully ignorant.

#62 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-14 05:01 PM | Reply

And apparently 25% of men want women that get abortions to be charged with murder.
www.mediaite.com

How many think they should also be given the death penalty?

Bunch of fnkcin' -------.

#63 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-05-14 06:10 PM | Reply

91% of abortions before 13 weeks. 8% weeks 14-20. 1% after 20. .1% after 24. .01% after 30. Of that 1% after 20, most of the time it's due to a lethal fetal abnormality or for the life of the mother. Which means that in most cases the patient seeking a later term abortion wanted a baby, but something went horribly wrong. And it's a very difficult procedure requiring several days and costing several thousand dollars.

Ah, so late-term abortion NOT being used as a means of birth control. Important context to know that one individual up thread refused to acknowledge. Because under his perspective, a woman that wants to go through with having a child, but doing so would put her health in danger doing so should not be afforded the option of an abortion, even though NOT slaughtering said baby could debilitate the woman for the rest of her life while also leading to the baby's death anyways. You know, a complex, rational, medical decision that should be made between a woman and her doctor, not politicians at any level of government.

Late-term abortions taking place as a form of birth control = NOT HAPPENING
CRT being taught to our children in public schools = NOT HAPPENING
Public school educators grooming our children to become LGBT and/or victims of sexual abuse = NOT HAPPENING

Even with the above clearly being the reality that we live in, Republicans find that it's prudent to legislate against them anyways.

Since none of this is happening, and we should legislate against all of it anyways, why are we stopping there? Why aren't we legislating against all the other issues that are NOT taking place in the U.S.? Why aren't we legislating against parents from asking aliens to abduct their children and conduct sexual experiments on them? I mean, that's not happening either, but clearly the fact of whether or not a variable is ACTUALLY taking place isn't part of the formula for Republicans to consider.

#64 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-05-14 06:34 PM | Reply

If you put a tomato plant in the ground and let it grow, you'll start seeing little flowers on the branches.

Those flowers then start producing tiny round green buds.

If you point out the little green buds and ask people what those are they will say "tomato".

Funny that with humans there are people who will not agree those little things starting to grow in a woman's body are humans.

Those people have more respect for vegetables than human beings.

#65 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-05-15 11:45 AM | Reply

Meanwhile, any tomato growers know you have to prune away some of the flowers for better yields.

I prune and discard tomato flowers without a second thought.

Besides the fact that we don't eat babies. Well, most of us don't.

Dumb analogy.

#66 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-05-15 12:09 PM | Reply

Hors,

"Dumb analogy"

At no point did I reference eating them.

I mean...humans doing grow in dirt either.

My analogy went over your head because you're too dumb to get it.

#67 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-05-15 12:14 PM | Reply

Hors,

Nature prunes the plants naturally just like nature prunes humans naturally.

Give it time.

Years to come we'll be pruning humans that show undesirable genetic traits as we learn to isolate them.

#68 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-05-15 12:32 PM | Reply

Hors,

It could get bizarre if we passed laws forbidding the deliberate singling out of particular genetic dispositions yet permitted abortion just for the child being an inconvenience to the mother.

The future will get strange regarding this subject.

Society will want abortion legal but not the deliberate singling out of specific types of people.

#69 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-05-15 12:39 PM | Reply

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