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Saturday, May 14, 2022

A coup is underway to oust Russian President Vladimir Putin, who is "very sick" due to cancer, according to Ukraine's head of military intelligence.

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First off, we need to pass around a salt shaker...

OCU

#1 | Posted by OCUser at 2022-05-14 03:13 PM | Reply

If Putin is out, who replaces him.

Recent history has shown us that dictators who are replaces are often preferrable to those who replaced them.

#2 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-14 04:12 PM | Reply

Consider the source and their possible motivations for putting this in the public sphere.

#3 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2022-05-14 04:14 PM | Reply

"If Putin is out, who replaces him."

My guess is effemipootinposer.

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-14 04:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh no! But he was so close! Just another 140 million dead Russians and Moscow Midget's work would be complete.

Where's SheepleScheissem/IronTurd to put a positive spin on this.

I'd ask about PootyFluffer, but no doubt he's donned his cheerleading outfit and trying to perk Pooty up as we speak.

#5 | Posted by censored at 2022-05-14 04:52 PM | Reply

#5 | POSTED BY CENSORED

He's been recalled back to Moscow as Putin's back-up -------.

#6 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-05-14 06:39 PM | Reply

Medical retirements are a very normal thing and have taken place before in Russia.

Good luck to anyone attempting this with Putin.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-14 07:09 PM | Reply

Yawn. More -------- from the Ukrainian's. He may be sick but the transition Will be orderly. The war will continue.

Putin isn't the only thing driving this.It isn't a cult of personality as much as the propaganda makes it out to be.

There is some cult of personality but it's not as extreme as Hitler or even Stalin.

#8 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-14 07:23 PM | Reply

Slurp! I love Russian BS, even though it leaves a slight aftertaste. #8 | Posted by PootyFluffer

#9 | Posted by censored at 2022-05-14 07:29 PM | Reply

#9 No cult of personality. It really burns you up that it's considered policy to invade not just Putin being insane.

It blows the whole narrative up if that's the case.

I admit I'm not sure myself. But the more I read about the Russian system the more I think so.

I also don't think Putin's death would necessarily stop the war.

Your foul mouthed antics are making you look the fool you rascal, you.

#10 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-14 08:38 PM | Reply

More -------- #8 | Posted by PootyFluffer
Your foul mouthed #10 | Posted by PootyFluffer

Lol!

#11 | Posted by censored at 2022-05-14 09:57 PM | Reply

Yawn. More -------- from the Ukrainian's. He may be sick but the transition Will be orderly. The war will continue.
Putin isn't the only thing driving this.It isn't a cult of personality as much as the propaganda makes it out to be.
There is some cult of personality but it's not as extreme as Hitler or even Stalin.
POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER AT 2022-05-14 07:23 PM | REPLY

You best be glad that breathing is an involuntary action or else you would stop breathing.

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-14 10:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

It isn't a cult of personality as much as the propaganda makes it out to be.

There is some cult of personality but ...

#9 No cult of personality.

POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Lmao!

#13 | Posted by memyselfini at 2022-05-14 11:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Yawn. More -------- from the Ukrainian's."

This has actually been drifting around the US intelligence community for months. In fact this is the first time I heard UKR make mention of Putin's health.

#14 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-15 04:51 AM | Reply

"I also don't think Putin's death would necessarily stop the war."

I highly doubt it would. Something like 80% of Russians support the war in Ukraine. Even if you cut that number in half it's still a huge number.

Like I said, I suspect that Putin's replacement will be worse than Putin himself. Until very recently, Putin was a pretty good president and contributor to global stability. We had a pool going on in my office back in February on when or if Putin would invade. Even with access to the full breadth of the US IC, most of us still didn't think he would invade. It didn't fit with what he had done in the past.

#15 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-15 04:55 AM | Reply

Beware, or I shall taint you a second time-uh!
~ El Feetski

#16 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-05-15 05:37 AM | Reply

Related?

Putin losing confidence in Ukraine war, former Russian PM says
www.dw.com

...Mikhail Kasyanov, who served as prime minister under Vladimir Putin in the early 2000s, told DW he believed that the Russian president had "already started to realize that he's losing this war."

Former Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov said that Vladimir Putin's confidence in the war in Ukraine has been shaken.

In an interview with DW on Friday from an undisclosed location in Europe, he said the Russian president may have been misled by his generals about the state of the war.

Kasyanov served as Putin's first prime minister from 2000 to 2004 before being sacked, and going on to form an opposition party and run for president in 2008. He became a vocal opponent, and now lives in exile.

He told DW that Putin was not speaking from a position of strength and even seemed "a little bit nervous" during a military parade speech he gave to commemorate "Victory Day," the end of World War II on May 9....



#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-15 10:53 AM | Reply

Did US pressure in the early part of this year make invasion more likely? Could the war have been prevented if they had given actual consideration to the Russian demands about Ukrainian neutrality and the war in the Donbass?

The Ukrainian's actually increased the ceasefire violations in Donetsk leading up to the actual invasion. Was this deliberate? Did the Ukrainian's believe NATO would cover their asses if something happened?

Was this discussed by the Ukrainian leadership and NATO?

#18 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-15 10:54 AM | Reply

#18 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Putin needs to die. The world would simply be better off.

There's really little more to discuss.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-15 11:01 AM | Reply

Doesn't the US owe Ukraine an apology for making Russia invade Ukraine, rape those women, and kill those children? #18 | Posted by PootyFluffer

#20 | Posted by censored at 2022-05-15 11:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Stupid. Strawman. Beneath a reply. You little scamp, you.

Keep on pullin' for those plucky freedom Loving Ukrainian's.

#21 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-15 11:05 AM | Reply

"Did US pressure in the early part of this year make invasion more likely?"

What pressure was that?

As I've said many times, the bulk of the pro-UKR effort is being led by those countries who lived under Russian dominance.

Finland isn't joining NATO because the US, NATO, or anyone else pressured them to do so, they did it because they fear they may be next.

Of course if RUS can't get through UKR, a war against Finland would he hopeless.

#22 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-15 11:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#18 ... Did US pressure in the early part of this year make invasion more likely? ...

Pres Putin invaded a sovereign country with the goal of destroying the sovereignty of the country by annexing it. He has written about doing so for years.

That unprovoked invasion has other countries in the area asking themselves if they will be next in line for a Putin invasion.

The deflection attempts of your comments are looking weaker and weaker.

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-15 11:34 AM | Reply

If the Russians are so weak, why is everyone so afraid?

I agree Finland would be too much for them to handle, even without NATO. So why join now?

If NATO expansion is pushing their buttons and provoking war why push it now?

Why not wait until the dust settles and then join?

Desperate cornered people do stupid things. If some sort of nuclear attack were to come because the Russians got paranoid, it looks like NATO wouldn't really making be anyone safer.

Just a thought.

#24 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-15 11:41 AM | Reply

"If the Russians are so weak, why is everyone so afraid?"

Because he is Hitler with nukes you brainless fool.

Putin likes to tell a story ...

When he was a child he would chase rats in his apartment building in Soviet-era Leningrad, now St. Petersburg. Once he cornered a large one: It attacked him, causing him to flee in shock.

"That's why everyone should remember, it's better not to corner anyone," he told a Russian TV interviewer in 2018.

... ..

Keep on pullin' for those plucky freedom Loving Ukrainian's.

#21 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Umm ok. Meanwhile you keep pulling your pud for a murderous authoritarian Hitler figure (with nukes) who is already responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innocent children and thousands of civilians.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-15 11:53 AM | Reply

@#24 ... If the Russians are so weak, why is everyone so afraid? ...

I disagree with the premise underpinning your assertion.

The Russians are not weak.

They are able to inflict significant damage to a country.

Look at the damage they are doing to Ukraine, e.g., hospitals attacked by Russian missiles, civilians killed randomly.

Pres Putin has shown he is willing to attack a sovereign country just because he wants to. Why shouldn't the countries in the area be concerned?



#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-15 11:57 AM | Reply

I agree. The Russians are not weak. And hats just another stupid strawman from Putinposer.

But they are being very stupid. And in their ignorance a lot of people are being hurt. And all of it could have been avoided. That's why it is a "war of choice". Putin chose to do this. No one forced him.

Regardless of what Putin or his useful idiots say.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-15 12:08 PM | Reply

"If the Russians are so weak, why is everyone so afraid?"

I don't know that anyone is afraid.

In fact I think a lot of people in Europe are less afraid now than at any point in history. Russia has demonstrated that it lacks the capability, and more importantly the national will to invade western Europe.

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-15 12:13 PM | Reply

"They are able to inflict significant damage to a country."

They are able to inflict significant damage on Ukraine. Maybe do the same to Georgia.

The minute they attack a NATO country, they will be slaughtered.

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-15 12:15 PM | Reply

Do you feel the same way about Iraq? It was a "war of choice". Did you support it the time? I have never supported the the Iraq war or Putin's war. I think invading the Ukraine was about as stupid a thing as anything could be.

But the smoldering war in the Donbass and constant NATO drills and exercises on the borders of Russia obviously provoked them.

NATO isn't making anyone safer. That's obvious given the history. Croatia has no place in NATO. How did they get in?

The Croats were at least as murderous as the Serbs in the Yugoslav wars. Why did they get a pass? Russia has legitimate concerns. Invading another country isn't helping anyone.

The UN should try to get the belligerents to negotiate a cease fire and end the killing.

Feeding the frenzy on both sides is stupid and even if the West prevails now, it will only seed the next war with Russia if they are humiliated.

It might feel good now, but it won't make the future any better down the road.

Versailles anyone?

#30 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-15 12:22 PM | Reply

@#29 ... They are able to inflict significant damage on Ukraine. Maybe do the same to Georgia.

The minute they attack a NATO country, they will be slaughtered. ...

I agree 100%.

Right after i wrote my comment I thought that I should have added some manner of qualification to it.

Thanks for catching that.

Russia being "not weak" does not mean that they are as strong as many thought they might have been.

Russia is strong enough to wreak havoc and destruction upon smaller non-NATO countries, merely at the apparent whim of Pres Putin.

But I agree that if Russia steps into NATO, they will suffer significantly.

And that is why Finland and Sweden are doing what they are doing regarding NATO. Pres Putin has shown Russia to be an agressive, invastion-happy neighbor, one with a grudge.

#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-15 12:23 PM | Reply

"I suspect that Putin's replacement will be worse than Putin himself."

After Brezhnev we got Gorbachev (Andropov and Chernenko don't really count)

After Gorbachev we got Yeltsin.

I'm willing to take a chance.

#32 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-05-15 12:25 PM | Reply

@#30 ... I think invading the Ukraine was about as stupid a thing as anything could be. ...

Yet your comments have been doing little but trying to justify it since it started.

Funny how your comments are seeming to become disillusioned with Pres Putin's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine about the same time that some people around Pres Putin are starting to note his disillusionment with his invastion of a sovereign country.

Coincidence?

Or maybe you just got your new list of talking points?

#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-15 12:27 PM | Reply

I don't normally post videos because I think they are a pain in the ass to sit through, but I think this one needs to be seen. It's Tony Blair discussing Putin from the time he first met him in 2000 until now.

www.msn.com

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-15 12:29 PM | Reply

"Do you feel the same way about Iraq?"

I certainly did.

I was about three months away from commissioning as a Second Lieutenant when the coalition invaded Iraq. One of my last papers as a business major was on how the coalition was going to need to find another Saddam if they got rid of Saddam.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-15 12:30 PM | Reply

"But the smoldering war in the Donbass and constant NATO drills and exercises on the borders of Russia obviously provoked them."

Watch the video I posted, where Tony Blair takes us back to a time when the EU was considering allowing Russia to become a member. There was actually a time when Russia wanted to be a NATO member, if you can believe that. Actually, I think it may have happened several times.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-15 12:32 PM | Reply

"NATO isn't making anyone safer."

Finland disagrees.

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-15 12:33 PM | Reply

"After Gorbachev we got Yeltsin."

Who did we get after Yeltsin?

One of the more interesting things we've seen is revival in Soviet nostalgia.

Imagine if a sizeable percentage of the population of Germany started flying Nazi flags and praising Hitler.

#38 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-15 12:36 PM | Reply

Actually, I think it may have happened several times.

Yes this is true.

There's too much money behind keeping Russia outside the EU. Russia understood this and supported Ukrianian entry into the EU back before the color revolution. Russia figured it could sell goods through Ukraine into the EU.

"NATO isn't making anyone safer."
Finland disagrees.

I don't think Russia is a threat to anyone at this point. The curtains on the charade have been pulled wide open, now the focus will shift to China. Ukraine and its destruction is unimportant to the MIC.

One of the more interesting things we've seen is revival in Soviet nostalgia.

My Ukrainian friends say people inside Russia feel the old Soviet Union Communism was better than the kleptocapitalism they received. This aligns with my understanding of the book TheShockDoctrine.

Who did we get after Yeltsin?

The oligarchs, then in response to the ugliness, Putin.

Capitalism can be good, but can also be quite ugly. Europe had a chance to integrate Russia. As stated there are too many forces, and too much money keeping them as an enemy or foe.

#39 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-05-15 12:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"I don't think Russia is a threat to anyone at this point."

You win the dumbest post of the year award. And it's only May! What a crowning achievement!!!

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-15 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I don't think Russia is a threat to anyone at this point."

Then you've backed away from Ukrainian surrender?

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-15 02:11 PM | Reply

"You win the dumbest post of the year award."

That would only be possible if Speaksoftly hadn't posted anything this year.

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-15 02:18 PM | Reply

#42

What's dumber than the cornered madman with nukes isn't a threat to anyone ... ?!?

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-05-15 02:38 PM | Reply

#43

Putin won't use nukes. Doing so would put him in a far worse position than he is already in.

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-15 02:43 PM | Reply

If he's nuts he may not care. If he's not the whole narrative of why they attacked needs revision. If Russia attacked for rational reasons NATO really is counterproductive.

#45 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-15 06:59 PM | Reply

We had a pool going on in my office back in February on when or if Putin would invade. Even with access to the full breadth of the US IC, most of us still didn't think he would invade. It didn't fit with what he had done in the past.

#15 | Posted by madbomber


As pure speculation, I think the circumstances changed.

As a head of state, he gets the best medical available to his nation. So it is likely he knew early about the cancer. I think the treatments have not been successful. Given this, then his viewpoint would slowly change into what his legacy will be.

He's always wanted to reassemble Mother Russia into it's former glory. I would imagine to him that's a fitting epitaph for his nation to immortalize him by. If so, then he's realized his mortality and that time isn't on his side.

He's taken the Crimea and wants to add the Ukraine to that list of accomplishments.

Just an idea to throw out but to me it would speak of why he's changed his normal reactions.

#46 | Posted by BBQ at 2022-05-15 10:12 PM | Reply

Recent photos of Putin show him as having "Round face" common in late stage cancer patients on steroids. Once can only hope there's a bit of a vacuum in his ownership and control of the Republican Party in the US - so many Republicans are compromised right now.

#47 | Posted by chuffy at 2022-05-16 03:07 AM | Reply

"I suspect that Putin's replacement will be worse than Putin himself."

After Brezhnev we got Gorbachev (Andropov and Chernenko don't really count)

After Gorbachev we got Yeltsin.

I am thinking comparing those time periods is apples to oranges. Post soviet union was a time of chaos internally that Putin used to consolidate power into a handful of corrupt and fascist right hand men. He made them, he controls them and he will murder anyone who goes against him.

Talk of a coup in Russia is wishful thinking and I don't believe it. Putin is entrenched. The men he surrounds himself with are just as evil, soul-less and criminal as he is otherwise they would not be in their position now. Don't look for Russia to change from what it is for a long long time.

#48 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-05-16 08:25 AM | Reply

"Feeding the frenzy on both sides is stupid"

What is really stupid is your lack of historical knowledge and the resulting ignorant pro Putin analysis of the situation.

Putin won't use nukes. Doing so would put him in a far worse position than he is already in.
#44 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Even if you got that in writing from him it would mean nothing. It's possible Putin is ill and his next steps are not predictable based on previous actions.

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-16 10:55 AM | Reply

I shall taint you a second time-uh!
~ El Feetski

#16 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

Methinks someone already has his taint in a vise-grip

#50 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-16 12:24 PM | Reply

"If he's nuts he may not care."

He doesn't really seem to care. He's abandoned any hope of taking anything west of the river. Russia just pulled out of Kharkiv. They're making incremental gains in the east, but the IC doesn't think they are going to be able to maintain what momentum they have for long.

#51 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-16 01:13 PM | Reply

"Talk of a coup in Russia is wishful thinking and I don't believe it. Putin is entrenched."

I think Putin's Russia is more like a drug cartel than a western government. Fear keeps the apparatchiks in line. But if he shows any weakness or if they smell blood in the water, they will attack.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-05-16 01:37 PM | Reply

If Putin is Vito, and Lavrov is Tom Hagen, Effeteposer must be Fredo.

#53 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-05-16 02:05 PM | Reply

Yawn. More -------- from the Ukrainian's. He may be sick but the transition Will be orderly. The war will continue.

Putin isn't the only thing driving this.It isn't a cult of personality as much as the propaganda makes it out to be.

There is some cult of personality but it's not as extreme as Hitler or even Stalin.

#8 | Posted by Effeteposer

Effete only trusts the guy who had to take over all the tv stations and shut down the internet.

He totally trusts his cabinet, that's why he sits at the other end of the long table with a pistol in his lap.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-16 02:09 PM | Reply

I don't think Russia is a threat to anyone at this point.

#39 | Posted by oneironaut

Russia installed a puppet president an is funding an effort to overthrow democracy in the USA. YOu just dont see that as a threat because you want them to succeed.

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-16 02:11 PM | Reply

#53 | POSTED BY MODER8

FeetPoser better figure out who plays Michael, and quick.

#56 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-16 04:36 PM | Reply

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