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Sunday, May 15, 2022

A man has opened fire at a supermarket in Buffalo, New York while live-streaming on Twitch, killing at least 10 people and injuring several others, local officials and witnesses say. He also posted an online manifesto in which he described himself as a white supremacist. The incident began on early Saturday afternoon when police were called for an active shooter at Tops Markets at 1275 Jefferson Avenue in Buffalo. Upon arrival, officers found victims on the ground outside the store and others inside the building itself. A 106-page online manifesto, believed to have been uploaded by the shooter, explained that he was motivated by a conspiracy theory that white people are being replaced by other races.

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Another feral Trumper.

#1 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-14 05:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wonder if he watched Tucker Carlson

#2 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-14 05:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Nothing Should Be Done.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-14 05:44 PM | Reply

Just doing his part to MAGA.

#4 | Posted by Angrydad at 2022-05-14 05:57 PM | Reply

The guy streamed it on twitch.
The rifle had an inventory number on it too. I hope all arms are accounted for at any local NG armory.

#5 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2022-05-14 06:05 PM | Reply

Trump-Putin Fascism. He used a firearm against the supermarket because he didn't have access to artillery.

Let's beat the fascists in Ukraine. That will dampen their power here.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-14 06:14 PM | Reply

Another day, another Fox News viewer goes on a rampage while reciting Tucker Carlson.

#7 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-05-14 06:21 PM | Reply

I bet he has a poster of tucker carlson above his bed.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-14 07:00 PM | Reply

No way to prevent this. My thoughts and prayers are with the people of (insert city, school, church, concert venue, event here) for this horrific act of evil and to the families of those impacted by this tragedy. See you next time.

#9 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-05-14 07:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

RIP, good guy with a gun.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-05-14 07:10 PM | Reply

Where's that idiot Bo@ss and his holy 2nd amendment? This fool be shootin' black folk, cuz. Do you care?

#11 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-05-14 07:16 PM | Reply

Has the racist orange turd referred to the shooter as a very fine person yet?

heavy.com

#12 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-05-14 07:51 PM | Reply

#3. What would you do if you could?

70 rounds fired, 13 people shot. Not very good gun control.

#13 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2022-05-14 08:13 PM | Reply

"#3. What would you do if you could?"

I would take a look at strategies other countries use to prevent these kinds of things from happening. Then I'd implement some of those approaches here.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-14 08:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#7 18 years old , white supremacist and anti semite and

------ shot.

Bullets are cheap.

#15 | Posted by bruceaz at 2022-05-14 08:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Must have been using an AK. Reliable as hell, but inaccurate.

#16 | Posted by willowby at 2022-05-14 08:31 PM | Reply

Bullets are cheap.

And clips hold many.

#17 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-05-14 08:31 PM | Reply

Dear White Supremacists,

There's no way they can stop you from doing this.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-14 08:33 PM | Reply

" A 106-page online manifesto"

im sure that's a great read ...

#19 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-05-14 08:34 PM | Reply

according to the article a "good guy with a gun" engaged the shooter and struck him, but the shooter had armor plating and killed him.

the guy was a security guard/retired police man.

#20 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-05-14 08:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

GOP: Were any embryos or fetuses killed? No? Okay, then we're good. Thoughts and prayers.

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-14 08:56 PM | Reply

#8. Vague enough, have you ever looked for those kind of things?

#22 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2022-05-14 09:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Narcissistic buffoon pontificates on Buffalo shootings:

Trump: I think they had a tragic event in Buffalo. Tragic event in Buffalo with numerous people being killed. In 18 months in Afghanistan, we lost nobody.

twitter.com

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-14 09:10 PM | Reply

America is in a world of hurt. I've never felt so hopeless.

#24 | Posted by cbob at 2022-05-14 10:31 PM | Reply

#11 only 5 usually. Kind of a hassle to use.

Magazines on the other hand, different animal.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-14 10:32 PM | Reply

And don't get mad about how pedantic that sounds, gun laws are very technical and you have to be very specific.

#26 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-14 10:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The rifle had an inventory number on it too. I hope all arms are accounted for at any local NG armory.

#2 | Posted by GOnoles92

That was NOT an inventory number. The number '14' is a symbol for a White supremacist slogan originating with David Eden Lane, one of the founders of the neo-Nazi group, 'The Order'. Those 14 words are:

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."

en.wikipedia.org

OCU

#27 | Posted by OCUser at 2022-05-14 10:57 PM | Reply

This is the result of Trump and the whole white victim belief system he and his bonehead loser supporters promulgate day in and day out. Republicans are to blame for the disastrous state we are in.

#28 | Posted by cbob at 2022-05-14 10:59 PM | Reply

Militarism is to blame for the disastrous state we're in. The violence seeps back into civil society.

Bad vibes.

#29 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-15 01:13 AM | Reply

Deep.

#30 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-05-15 05:47 AM | Reply

A white supremacist mass killing spree doesn't even make the front page here anymore, because this is the America we live in now.

#31 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-15 06:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And don't get mad about how pedantic that sounds

I'm not mad, I only posted that to see who the first idiot would be to pretend there is a difference.

#32 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-05-15 07:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Elise Stefanik, the third-ranking House Republican, was called to task last year by a local NY paper over the use of "replacement theory" in campaign ads:

Editorial: How low, Ms. Stefanik?
Times Union Editorial Board
Sep. 17, 2021

Back in 2017, white supremacists marched in Charlottesville, Va., carrying torches and chanting, "You will not replace us" and "Jews will not replace us." Decent Americans recoiled at the undeniable echo of Nazi Germany.

That rhetoric has been resonating ever since in the right wing, repackaged lately in what's known as "replacement theory," espoused by conservative media figures like Fox News' Tucker Carlson. And it has seeped into the mainstream political discourse in the Capital Region, where Rep. Elise Stefanik has adapted this despicable tactic for campaign ads.
www.timesunion.com

Buffalo shooting came 8 months after NY newspaper warned of congresswoman's racist conspiracy theory
www.rawstory.com

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-15 09:21 AM | Reply

What i want to know is where does he come from where he has to travel for 2 hrs to find Blackfolks?

#36 | Posted by fresno500 at 2022-05-15 11:11 AM | Reply

@#36 ... What i want to know is where does he come from where he has to travel for 2 hrs to find Blackfolks? ...

What we know about Buffalo supermarket shooting suspect Payton Gendron
www.cnn.com

...Payton Gendron of Conklin, New York...

Conklin, New York
en.wikipedia.org


#37 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-15 11:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He wore camouflage to a supermarket? I'll bet his manifesto is awesome.

#38 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2022-05-15 11:58 AM | Reply

Could anything be more stupid? Replaced how? Does he think the cops are going to come by his house to kick him out and install a family of Mexicans?

#39 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2022-05-15 12:04 PM | Reply

Well it is a good thing the Nazi wasn't selling cigarettes or passing counterfeit bills, then the cops would have had to use deadly force.

#40 | Posted by bored at 2022-05-15 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's amazing how much his complaints about "replacement" sound like the rhetoric coming from the Azov leadership. This is who we support in the Ukraine.

As Americans how is that possible? I know the Russians invaded and the Ukraine has a right to self defense, but standing with Nazis?

Ugh.

#41 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-15 01:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"... I believe to be perfectly sane."

Nope. Read your manifesto.

#42 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2022-05-15 01:08 PM | Reply

#41 "Replacement Theory" came out of Hungary, so you're on track....

#43 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2022-05-15 01:10 PM | Reply

He used a Bushmaster XM-15. He said he chose a target with strict gun laws.

#44 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2022-05-15 01:31 PM | Reply

I read a bit of the manifesto ... Guy just seems nuts. He's definitely the definition of a white supremacist. Weird part, he hated both the left and the right, but said he could consider himself both a socialist and a fascist at the same time.

Really wished someone would have popped him before taking as many innocent lives as he did. Very sad situation.

#45 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-15 01:33 PM | Reply

41
---- you Ruskie suckoff.

#46 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2022-05-15 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

It's the census datas fault.

If he didn't have access to the corresponding zip codes nothing would have happened!

Don't blame guns, don't blame racism, don't blame mental health - blame the data!

#47 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2022-05-15 01:57 PM | Reply

but said he could consider himself both a socialist and a fascist at the same time.

Shows nothing more than his ignorance of things that he held a strong opinion about anyway.

#48 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-15 01:58 PM | Reply

How long will it take for the MAGAts to start chanting "let's go Payton" at dotard's klan rallies?

#49 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2022-05-15 02:02 PM | Reply

Supermarket shooter sought Black neighborhood, official says
apnews.com

...The white 18-year-old who shot and killed 10 people at a Buffalo supermarket had researched the local demographics while looking for places with a high concentration of Black residents, arriving there at least a day in advance to conduct reconnaissance, law enforcement officials said Sunday. ...

#50 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-15 02:05 PM | Reply

Buffalo shooting suspect had the N-word painted on the barrel of gun used to kill 10 people

That tidbit made Elise Stefanik get moist.

#51 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-05-15 02:08 PM | Reply

Wow. He pointed the gun at a what looked to be a cashier who was white, didn't shoot, apologizes, and continued on his slaughter.

Never mind the current rhetoric circulating in right wing circles pertaining to Replacement Theory and immigration what about Hungry and Ukraine. So pathetic .

#52 | Posted by memyselfini at 2022-05-15 02:18 PM | Reply

I'm not mad, I only posted that to see who the first idiot would be to pretend there is a difference.

#32 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2022-05-15 07:11 AM | FLAG:

Huge difference. Maybe you don't understand what people writing gun control laws are up against? Engineers read gun laws the same way that race car engineers read a league's regulations. Loopholes. Loopholes everywhere.

#53 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-15 02:18 PM | Reply

Tucker Carlson, who loves Hungary's Viktor Orban, has been pushing replacement theory for quite a while. If you're Republican and a Fox News watcher there's about a 50% chance you buy into that nonsense.

#54 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-15 02:21 PM | Reply

"Maybe you don't understand what people writing gun control laws are up against?"

Yeah.

The Second Amendment sure is quite the loophole!

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-15 02:21 PM | Reply

standing with Nazis?

Ugh.

#41 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Nice try but no ruble for you!

Get a grip

Americans are NOT standing with the Nazis. (Well maybe Trumpers are but they do not represent me or my America that's for sure).

But YOU are. Because Putin is the Nazi and represents Nazi type repression in this equation.

...

btw

The Azov battalion in 2017:

the size of the regiment was estimated at more than 2,500 members,[2] but was estimated to have 900 members in 2022.[24] Members of the battalion came from 22 countries and are of various backgrounds.

In March 2015, a spokesman for the Azov Batallion, told USA Today that only 10% to 20% of the group's members are Nazis.

(Wiki)
...

The Azov Battalion is not Ukraine and does not represent Ukraine any more than the thousands of white supremacists that condone dressing up in battle gear and shooting up grocery stores the serve mostly black communities represent America.

Seriously dude. Grow up. Stop lying.

#56 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-15 02:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#53 ... Loopholes. Loopholes everywhere. ...

Many (most?) intentional.

#57 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-15 02:41 PM | Reply

Dear putinposer

10 or even 20% of 900 people do not and cannot possibly represent all Ukrainians. So please stop with the constant lying.

Repeating the same lie over and over does not make it true. So please. I am asking nicely.

Stop lying.

The Ukrainians are not the Nazis. Not any more than NASA is because we absorbed Nazi scientists into our country.

#58 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-15 02:45 PM | Reply

Seriously dude. Grow up. Stop lying.

If you look at a map of Ukraine you can see that the russians are busy "denazifying" Ukraine by creating a buffer between Ukraine and the Sea of Azov (or as Effetteposer thinks of it - the Nazi Sea). It's all in Ukraine's self-interest, you see? The Sea of Azov turns people into nazis if they swim in it!

#59 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-15 02:47 PM | Reply

"I spent a decade working in counterterrorism. The rhetoric we are seeing from leaders of my party " the Republican Party " is directly fueling violence and a spike in domestic terrorism. This is not a partisan observation. This is a public safety warning."

" Former Department of Homeland Security Chief of Staff Miles Taylor, on Twitter.

#60 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-05-15 03:11 PM | Reply

@#60

Here's a link to that tweet...

Miles Taylor @MilesTaylorUSA
twitter.com


#61 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-15 03:26 PM | Reply

Republicans should see this horrific event for what it is - a result of the poisonous invective their batshi* wing has foisted on America in recent years - and use it as an opportunity to reflect on the toxic, violent environment they have created. Acknowledge the damage done, and work on ways to bring people together.

I'm not holding my breath.

#62 | Posted by cbob at 2022-05-15 03:31 PM | Reply

Since they took him into custody did the cops buy this guy dinner, like they did for Rittenhouse?

#63 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2022-05-15 03:54 PM | Reply

He was merely aborting black people.... the SC is on his side.

#64 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-15 04:14 PM | Reply

What I don't understand is the guy surrenders to police and then pleads not guilty. What?

#65 | Posted by rosemountbomber at 2022-05-15 04:23 PM | Reply

"Republicans should see this horrific event for what it is"

Good luck with that.
Republicans can't see how Free Speech and the First Amendment had anything to do with it.
Or Guns and the Second Amendment, for that matter.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-15 04:36 PM | Reply

What I don't understand is the guy surrenders to police and then pleads not guilty. What?

#65 | Posted by rosemountbomber

It's not his fault. Democrats made him do it by letting black people vote.

Most the trump cult will be celebrating this loser behind closed doors.

#67 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-15 05:13 PM | Reply

"Seed of Chairborne?"

#68 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-05-15 05:17 PM | Reply

It's 19 weeks into the year and America has already seen 198 mass shootings
www.npr.org

...The 10 people killed, and an additional three injured, make this weekend's racially motivated attack at a Buffalo, N.Y., supermarket the deadliest mass shooting of the year in the United States.

It is also the 198th mass shooting in 2022. With just over 19 weeks into the year, this averages out to about 10 such attacks a week.

The tally comes from the Gun Violence Archive, an independent data collection organization. The group defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people are shot or killed, excluding the shooter. The full list of mass shootings in 2022 can be found here.

Prior to the Buffalo attack, the largest-scale mass shooting this year was at a car show in Dumas, Ark., on March 19. That attack killed one person and injured 27. ...


#69 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-15 05:25 PM | Reply

If the dude comes out pro Ukrainian on the war is he ok?

Or just still evil but gets it about territorial integrity.

#70 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-15 05:30 PM | Reply

If the dude comes out pro Ukrainian on the war is he ok?

#70 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

The dude is like you, except you haven't killed anyone yet as far as we know.

#71 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-15 05:36 PM | Reply

Cheering section' for violence: the attacks that show 4chan is still a threat
www.theguardian.com

...When police in Washington DC burst into a fifth-floor apartment building on 22 April in search of a man who allegedly had shot four people at random, they found Raymond Spencer dead by his own hand, a cache of guns and ammunition, and a poster with an ironic white supremacist meme.

The poster invoking the meme, popular on the extremist online forum 4chan, was a stark reminder that this attack blamed on Spencer, 23, was only the most recent mass casualty attack to spawn out of the ugly extremist culture of unregulated internet message boards such as 4chan.

That particular forum gave birth to QAnon, the far-right conspiracy theory that Donald Trump is combating a cabal of leftist pedophiles, before it moved on to its even-more-extreme cousin 8chan....

Even 8chan's founder, Frederick Brennan, has blamed the site for a rise in mass shootings and unsuccessfully called for it to be shut down.

Brennan quit the site in 2016, leaving management to its new owners: Jim Watkins and his son Ron. The pair, who have since been identified as the likely puppet masters behind QAnon, have rejected more active moderation and have leveraged the site's extreme free speech ethos for their own political ends -- Ron Watkins is currently running in a Republican congressional primary in Arizona....

[emphasis mine]


#72 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-15 05:51 PM | Reply

I have no racial hatred. You are slandering me.

I just don't think the war is a litmus test on being a good person.

This guy,No Matter what his politics are is a total POS and needs to be tried and imprisoned.

My own conduct is not violent at all.

I want gun control.

#73 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-15 05:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The Watkins are Q merchandizers.... this new mass shooting will only give them more tshirts, mugs, and bumper stickers to sell.

#74 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-15 05:59 PM | Reply

#73

Did Putin order you to talk about his war on every thread, no matter how unrelated?

Is being that Village Idiot really this important to you?

#75 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-15 06:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Hey give him a break. Rubles aren't worth much these days. He has to provide for his family you know.

#76 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-15 06:05 PM | Reply

@#75 ... Did Putin order you to talk about his war on every thread, no matter how unrelated? ...

You noticed that tendency also?

It is like Pres Putin buying ads on bus stop billboards, and having the ads accuse Swedes of being Nazis.

#77 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-15 06:14 PM | Reply

Putin hasn't Paid me anything. I just noticed everybody saying the guy was a Nazi. The Nazis in the Ukraine Do say similar ---- about being replaced by Blacks and Latinx, or in the Ukraine Russians,Roma,and Arabs.they kill them too.

The Master Race Delusion is Strong in the Ukraine.

#78 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-05-15 06:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#56 In March 2015, a spokesman for the Azov Batallion, told USA Today that only 10% to 20% of the group's members are Nazis.

So, about the same as the US Military?

#79 | Posted by bored at 2022-05-15 07:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- The Nazis in the Ukraine

All 3 of them?

"But the myth that Ukraine is run by far-right zealots is no more than Russian spin. In fact, during the federal election of 2019, the coalition of extreme-right parties, including the Azov movement's National Corps, received a total of 2.15 % of the votes and no seats in parliament in a -- according to Freedom House -- free and fair election."

www.euronews.com

2 percent of the vote. There are more Trump Nazis voting here. Perhaps you should start a campaign to rid the GOP of Nazis.

It would make more sense than your current more mythical pursuits.

#80 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-15 07:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Perhaps you should start a campaign to rid the GOP of Nazis.

Azov is recruiting US citizens. So you are kind of talking out of both sides of your mouth. If GOP is Nazi's, but won't support Azov, makes no sense.

In 2019 40 Democrats requested Pompeo place Azov as a Terrorist organization.
web.archive.org

ukraine has been defending and funding a terrorist organization. in 2019 Corporate Dems cared, today .... they defend it ... really ------- strange IMO.

#81 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-05-15 07:59 PM | Reply

What I don't understand is the guy surrenders to police and then pleads not guilty. What?

#65 | POSTED BY ROSEMOUNTBOMBER AT 2022-05-15 04:23 PM | FLAG:

The arraignment is a mere legal formality. No one pleads guilty at this stage.

#82 | Posted by cbob at 2022-05-15 08:33 PM | Reply

This is the natural and logical, I won't say conclusion, more like result of -------, republican and rightwing media rhethoric over the last 10+years. Expect more, a lot more.

Dubya was right about one thing-you're either with us or against us.

The lines are being drawn

#83 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-15 08:37 PM | Reply

In my experience the judge enters the not guilty plea. Gives a chance for everyone to settle down.

#84 | Posted by bruceaz at 2022-05-15 08:40 PM | Reply

Hey, Republicans, you ever wonder why we call you racist? or Deplorables?

Because of stuff like this.

Because this is the logical and natural response to right wing media rhetoric. All the self-victimization you scream about, your arguing that CRT is being taught to children, that immigrants are rapists and murderers, that somehow a white christian power structure is a powerless victim.

This is the result. Deluded nuts are motivated to lash out.

You think Tucker Carlson will apologize? Or even have a moment of self-reflection? HA!

Congrats, you built this, with every single lying, dog whistle post. Every insult at liberals caring for marginalized groups. Every single complaint about white victimization.

#85 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-15 08:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Shooter was investigated by New York State Police last year for threatening to carry out a shooting last summer while he was still a minor. He should never have been allowed to purchase a gun but unfortunately the Supreme Court has decided America is no place for common sense gun laws.

www.nbcnews.com

#86 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-05-15 09:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This us just more proof that racism in America is dead... like a parrot.

www.youtube.com

#87 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-15 09:22 PM | Reply

He should never have been allowed to purchase a gun but unfortunately the Supreme Court has decided America is no place for common sense gun laws.

You mean like these "common sense" federal and state laws, New York in particular, regarding mental health and firearms?

I don't think the Court has opined on such laws.

#88 | Posted by et_al at 2022-05-15 09:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Gunman was a known threat, and
supposedly on a 'no buy list',
and yet he got a gun, loads of ammo,
and limited body armor...

thus is what is wrong w the U.S. today...

#89 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-05-15 10:27 PM | Reply

And once again, like zero pot smoking
liberal democrats going on shooting
rampages, and this is like the 247th
rightwinger to go on a rampage in the last
what(?) the last 4-7 years?

#90 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-05-15 10:31 PM | Reply

@Truthhurts except his manifesto stated he hated both the left and the right. So are you saying you just get off on calling people names? Got it ...

#91 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-16 12:42 AM | Reply

Unrestricted guns for you.

#92 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-16 12:53 AM | Reply

@earthmuse you mean like the crazed Bernie supporter who shot republicans at the congressional baseball practice?

#93 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-16 01:06 AM | Reply

earthmuse you mean like the crazed Bernie supporter who shot republicans at the congressional baseball practice?

POSTED BY REGINALD AT 2022-05-16 01:06 AM | REPLY

You lie like a rug.

#94 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-16 01:23 AM | Reply

Gunman was a known threat ...

The idiot was known to have made a threat. The idiot was referred for a mental heath exam. Law enforcement investigated. No charges were filed. The matter was dropped.

... supposedly on a 'no buy list' ...

According to whom? The statutes don't seem to suggest that.

... and yet he got a gun ...

Legally, according to New York state and federal law.

... loads of ammo ...

Legally, according to New York state and federal law.

The legality of the body armor and high capacity magazines, I'm not so sure about. But he hasn't yet been charged with that, so ...

... thus is what is wrong w the U.S. today...

Behaving lawfully? You sure 'bout that?

To preempt the trolls and willfully obtuse, murder with a legally acquired firearm is not within the protection of the Second Amendment, no matter your vision of the individual right to keep and bear arms.

#95 | Posted by et_al at 2022-05-16 02:41 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

This particular shooting does appear to be purely race related.

Is racism a political or sociological problem?

Blaming all Republicans or conservatives for this sort of crime is pointless.

This story has nothing to do with gun control or Trump.

This boy was mentally ill and my guess is the use of pot exacerbated his mental issues.

#96 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-05-16 07:16 AM | Reply

This country has a right wing racist white nationalist domestic terrorist problem. Period.

They are already calling him a "lone wolf". Bulls***. This is coordinated hatred and murder and will continue until it is squished out by law enforcement.

#97 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-05-16 07:27 AM | Reply

In this instance, his racism is a sociopolitical issue based on the Great Replacement conspiracy hypothesis.

#98 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-16 07:28 AM | Reply

If the dude comes out pro Ukrainian on the war is he ok?

Could you taste the stupid when you wrote that?

#99 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-05-16 07:28 AM | Reply

This boy was mentally ill and my guess

#96 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Fascists have always exploited and made use of the mentally ill, BILL.

Clean him up a bit and give him a uniform and he would fit right into the SS.

Where do you think the Nazis got those people who rounded up those Jews and minorities, BILL. Sears and Roebuck?

#100 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-16 08:10 AM | Reply

A white supremacist mass killing spree doesn't even make the front page here anymore, because this is the America we live in now.

#31 | Posted by JOE

Well, blacks killing blacks everyday in Chicago doesnt either, so there you go..

#101 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-16 08:16 AM | Reply

As reported by ABC News, Buffalo Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia laid out Gendron's intention to slaughter even more people than the 10 he allegedly murdered over the weekend.

"We have uncovered information that if he escaped the [Tops] supermarket, he had plans to continue his attack," Gramaglia said. "He had plans to continue driving down Jefferson Ave to shoot more Black people... possibly go to another store [or] location."

Police allege that Gendron fatally shot ten people at a Tops Grocery Store in Buffalo Thursday. All of his victims were Black, and investigators also uncovered a racist manifesto he'd written that purported belief in the white supremacist "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory that falsely claims white Americans are deliberately being replaced by people of color.


www.rawstory.com

Has Gendron been invited to speak at CPAC yet?

#102 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-05-16 08:27 AM | Reply

"murder with a legally acquired firearm"

Was it really legally acquired, seeing as he acquired it for the purpose of murder?

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 08:42 AM | Reply

To preempt the trolls and willfully obtuse, murder with a legally acquired firearm is not within the protection of the Second Amendment, no matter your vision of the individual right to keep and bear arms.
#95 | POSTED BY ET_AL

Exactly my point in #18:

Dear White Supremacists,
There's no way they can stop you from doing this.
#18 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 08:45 AM | Reply

I wonder if a 10 day waiting period may have helped here. I know I did some crazy stuff as an 18 year old. I don't know because he took time to write a manifesto. I'm definitely thinking that from 18 to 21 you should only be able to own Shotguns and bolt action style deer rifles. If you want to shoot something more join the Army.

#105 | Posted by byrdman at 2022-05-16 08:47 AM | Reply

Snoofy there isn't yet but I hope the tide turns and common sense wins out. As a gun owner I have no issue with something like a six Rd max capacity.

#106 | Posted by byrdman at 2022-05-16 08:50 AM | Reply

... thus is what is wrong w the U.S. today...

Behaving lawfully? You sure 'bout that?

To preempt the trolls and willfully obtuse, murder with a legally acquired firearm is not within the protection of the Second Amendment, no matter your vision of the individual right to keep and bear arms.

The point is the LAW is seriously F**KED UP.

The point is that the "invisible hand" of "free enterprise" where people die because of bad corporate decisions taints the corporation is --------, and excusing the murder of people as "the cost of freedom" and of "acting legally" is inexcusable and it is --------,

#107 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-16 09:01 AM | Reply

There's no way they can stop you from doing this.
#18 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

#104 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-05-16 08:45 AM | FLAG:

Shoot back. White People have been doing their utmost to keep everybody not white unarmed since 1619, and when somebody comes to kill you for the color of your skin in this country, it's usually a white person.

#108 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-16 09:25 AM | Reply

Shoot back.

#108 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Someone did.

Apparently only a good guy in body armor can stop a bad guy in body armor.

#109 | Posted by Zed at 2022-05-16 09:59 AM | Reply

Yup. Shoot back. So now we all have to carry guns and wear body armor to go pick up some bread and milk.

Thanks a lot. We sure made America "great" again. Like in old Wild West. Only worse.

#110 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-16 10:45 AM | Reply

Shoot back.

#108 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

That didn't work out so well for Aaron Salter, the man who was killed after returning fire and hit the shooter at least once in his armored vest.

#111 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-05-16 11:02 AM | Reply

"Blaming all Republicans or conservatives for this sort of crime is pointless."

But you can't blame people. We all built this!

For proof of that just imagine the faux rage and out cries from Republicans (andTucker) if it was a pot smoking liberal Biden supporter. Or even worse ... a Blackman out to shoot only whites.

"This story has nothing to do with gun control or Trump."

Everything affects everything. And Trumpy has obviously been instrumental in allowing simmering white supremacist hate to boil over and explode out into the open. Do you deny that? Probably. But that speaks volumes about you. Not the reality of the story.

#112 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-16 12:18 PM | Reply

Putin hasn't Paid me anything. I just noticed everybody saying the guy was a Nazi. The Nazis in the Ukraine Do say similar ---- about being replaced by Blacks and Latinx, or in the Ukraine Russians,Roma,and Arabs.they kill them too.

The Master Race Delusion is Strong in the Ukraine.

#78 | Posted by Effeteposer

Sure. COmpared to russia which is just so welcoming to minority groups.

Are they still hunting down gays like hitler did?

#113 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-16 12:19 PM | Reply

One....one...

There have been lime
200 shootings in that
time by radicalized
rightwingers...

#114 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-05-16 12:56 PM | Reply

Elise Stefanik, Tucker Carlson, Donald Trump & sons, Alex Jones, Steve Bannon, et al,
YOU BUILT THIS

#115 | Posted by e1g1 at 2022-05-16 01:09 PM | Reply

@E1G1 wrong ... his manifesto states he was a pro-left wing authoritarian. But described himself as hating both the left and the right. Try again ...

#116 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-16 01:12 PM | Reply

What a $hizzhole country we live in, where the right to own virtually any weapon with almost no regulation (WHAT "well-regulated"??) supersedes the right NOT to be killed randomly by those weapons.

#117 | Posted by e1g1 at 2022-05-16 01:13 PM | Reply

REGINALD:
LOL! As if ANYONE on "the left" is parroting "great replacement theory"!

#118 | Posted by e1g1 at 2022-05-16 01:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Liz Cheney says GOP enables "white nationalism, white supremacy, and anti-semitism" after Buffalo shooting
www.independent.co.uk

#119 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:15 PM | Reply

There's no way they can stop you from doing this.
#18 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Shoot back.
#108 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

By the time they shoot back, you've already started shooting. It's too late.

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:17 PM | Reply

"@E1G1 wrong ... his manifesto states he was a pro-left wing authoritarian."

Yeah and the Declaration of Independence says All Men Are Created Equal.
Did the guys who wrote that condone slavery? Did you believe them anyway?

#121 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:19 PM | Reply

@E1G1 I read his manifesto, he's a nut job but he's not one of our but jobs. So try again k?

#122 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-16 01:20 PM | Reply

@Snoofy again, I read what the ------- wrote. The left is desperate to throw this over to us when it couldn't be any further from the truth. His own words said as much, but keep parroting RollinStone talking points.

#123 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-16 01:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"@Snoofy again, I read what the ------- wrote"

Why?
I think his actions speak loud enough, don't you?

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"@Snoofy again, I read what the ------- wrote."

Oh, wait. Were you referring to the Declaration of Independence, and that "All Men Are Created Equal" BS which is clearly repudiated in the actual Constitution?

#125 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:26 PM | Reply

@Snoofy because it's important to know what a wacko says as to where one can place blame. Once again he said he grew up believing in Leftwing Authoritarianism and was a racist. How is this guy a Republican? I look forward to your word pretzel reply.

#126 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-16 01:27 PM | Reply

he's a nut job but he's not one of our but jobs.
#122 | POSTED BY REGINALD

Oh I see.
So you think there's daylight between you, and the guys in Charlottesville chanting "Jews Will Not Replace Us?" and "Blood And Soil."
What led you to that conclusion?

#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:29 PM | Reply

"@Snoofy because it's important to know what a wacko says as to where one can place blame"

And?
Where does the wacko place blame, and why do you agree with him?

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:31 PM | Reply

@Snoofy again this idiot was a left-wing racist. He and the human garbage in Charlottesville are all trash. But again, this one is a leftwinger.

#129 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-16 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Police: Buffalo gunman aimed to keep killing if he got away
apnews.com

...The white gunman accused of massacring 10 Black people in a racist rampage at a Buffalo supermarket planned to keep killing if he had escaped the scene, the police commissioner said Monday, as the possibility of federal hate crime or domestic terror charges loomed.

The gunman, who had crossed the state to target people at the Tops Friendly Market, had talked about shooting up another store as well, Buffalo Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia told CNN.

"He was going to get in his car and continue to drive down Jefferson Avenue and continue doing the same thing," the commissioner said. ...


#130 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-16 01:31 PM | Reply

"How is this guy a Republican?"

Great Replacement Theory is how.

#131 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:32 PM | Reply

"But again, this one is a leftwinger."

Which left-wingers are advocating Great Replacement Theory?

#132 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:32 PM | Reply

@Snoofy his manifesto stated he was a socialist. Outside of openly stating he believed in leftwing authoritarianism (and yes I will keep repeating it bc it's what he said) so once again ... He's one of yours and he's disgusting.

#133 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-16 01:34 PM | Reply

- this one is a leftwinger.

This one is a self-described white supremacist... how many leftwing white supremacists do you know?

#134 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-16 01:34 PM | Reply

@corky tell em what's the difference between this guy and the leftists who hate Jews? Not much of a difference.

#135 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-16 01:35 PM | Reply

Tell me*

#136 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-16 01:35 PM | Reply

"the leftists who hate Jews?"

Who are you referring to?

#137 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:35 PM | Reply

@Snoofy anytime there's an anti-Israel protest here in the US it's always a bunch of leftists out in the street saying how horrible the Jews are. You know this and I know this is true. You do have quite a bit of racism on the left you just don't like to talk about it.

#138 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-16 01:37 PM | Reply

"@Snoofy his manifesto stated he was a socialist."

That's all it was, "I'm a socialist" for 108 pages?

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:38 PM | Reply

"@Snoofy anytime there's an anti-Israel protest here in the US it's always a bunch of leftists out in the street saying how horrible the Jews are"

Not really. You're equating criticism of Israel with bigotry against Jews, which is apparently the best you can do, and it's not very good.

#140 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@snoofy, oh it was lengthy talking about how the Jewish conspiracy is behind, he degraded minorities etc. but within it he described his political ideology and again the ----- was a leftwing dirtbag racist.

#141 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-16 01:39 PM | Reply

@Snoofy because it's important to know what a wacko says as to where one can place blame. Once again he said he grew up believing in Leftwing Authoritarianism and was a racist. How is this guy a Republican? I look forward to your word pretzel reply.

#126 | Posted by Reginald

How is he a republican? What side is talking about whites being replaced by minorities?

How many fascist cult members ON THIS VERY SITE claim to be left wingers in order to make left wingers seem crazy?

#142 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-16 01:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"and again the ----- was a leftwing dirtbag racist."

Again, which leftwing dirtbag racists are endorsing Great Replacement Theory, or do all leftists support it now, since this guy claimed to be left-wing?

#143 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That didn't

#111 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE AT 2022-05-16 11:02 AM | FLAG:

I'm not sure whom told you that shooting back guaranteed you could win, but they lied.

#144 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-16 01:43 PM | Reply

@Snoofy again he stated his grounds for attacking blacks was because of the antisemitism he had towards Jews. If any of you had bothered looking at the crazy things he wrote you'd know this. But again, you read the RollingStone piece which conveniently left out everything I mentioned for a narrative.

#145 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-16 01:44 PM | Reply

- @corky tell em what's the difference between this guy and the leftists who hate Jews? Not much of a difference.

You do understand that Whataboutism is a logical fallacy, not an argument on the issue, correct?

Or maybe you don't and this nonsense is all you have.

#146 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-16 01:44 PM | Reply

"@Snoofy because it's important to know what a wacko says as to where one can place blame"

So we can blame John Hinckley's assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan on... checks notes... Jodie Foster, is what you're telling us.

#147 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:44 PM | Reply

"@Snoofy again he stated his grounds for attacking blacks was because of the antisemitism he had towards Jews"

^
And since, in your world, only liberals hate Jews... he must be a liberal!
You sir are a Jenius.

#148 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:45 PM | Reply

@snoofy again in his own words, he stated he was a leftwing authoritarian ...

#149 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-16 01:46 PM | Reply

"@snoofy again in his own words, he stated he was a leftwing authoritarian ..."

Again, in your own words, which leftwing authoritarian voices are endorsing anti-Semitism and Great Replacement Theory?

Those words are never forthcoming from you.
It's like you can't answer the question so you just ignore it.

#150 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@snoofy back last year who was defacing synagogues in that "deep blue" city of NYC? I'll wait ...

#151 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-16 01:51 PM | Reply

he stated he was a leftwing authoritarian ...

#149 | POSTED BY REGINALD

The words of a madman mean nothing to me.

Interesting that you believe a word he said.

His actions speak louder than any rant by a madman.

It's epidemic of hate clearly fueled by Fox News and Tucker Carlson and a culture of guns and disinformation and lies.

Just because he claims to be a leftist or whatever he claims t he doesn't mean a thing compared to his actions.

#152 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-16 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"@snoofy back last year who was defacing synagogues in that "deep blue" city of NYC? I'll wait ..."

Enjoy your wait.
Since you read their manifesto, tell us all about them. And now tell us why that person is a though leader for liberals.
And if you didn't read their manifesto, how can you claim to know who they represent?

#153 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:56 PM | Reply

@Snoofy again he stated his grounds for attacking blacks was because of the antisemitism he had towards Jews. If any of you had bothered looking at the crazy things he wrote you'd know this. But again, you read the RollingStone piece which conveniently left out everything I mentioned for a narrative.

#145 | Posted by Reginald

Yeah i remember that big "leftist" rally in charlottesville with all the nazis changing JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US that trump called very fine people.

#154 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-16 01:57 PM | Reply

*chanting

#155 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-16 01:58 PM | Reply

"If any of you had bothered looking at the crazy things he wrote you'd know this. But again, you read the RollingStone piece "

I didn't do either.
I read he was targeting blacks, and he believed in Great Replacement Theory.
Am I wrong about those two things?

#156 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 01:59 PM | Reply

When are sane, intelligent white people going to rise up against the racist white supremacist nationalists who are causing so much destruction to this nation. When do ordinary white people stand up and yell "they will not replace us!".

#157 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-05-16 02:08 PM | Reply

@snoofy I never said he was a liberal. He is however a supporter of leftwing authoritarianism and that's the furthest thing from a Republican as possible.

#158 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-16 02:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

He killed black people because he believed in the great replacement theory which is advocated by mainstream republicans

It is that simple

#159 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-16 02:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@snoofy I never said he was a liberal. He is however a supporter of leftwing authoritarianism and that's the furthest thing from a Republican as possible.

#158 | Posted by Reginald

Repubs LOVE authoritarianism, as long as its enforcing forcing THEIR beliefs.

What's leftwing authoritarianism? Marxist communism? That's what you say this guy was espousing, when he sounds exactly like tucker carlson?

#160 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-16 02:37 PM | Reply

Again the words of a madman have little meaning but "authoritarianism" of any kind sounds pretty much in line with current republican/Trumpy ideology to me.

And you easily can draw a straight line from the many "good people" marching with hate for The Other in Charlottesville and Tucker Carlson's rants on "replacement " to this explosion of hate in Buffalo.

#161 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-16 02:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"He is however a supporter of leftwing authoritarianism"

Which left wing authoritarians are spouting Great Replacement Theory?
You're the expert. Give us some names.

#162 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 02:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@E1G1 I read his manifesto, he's a nut job but he's not one of our but jobs. So try again k?

#122 | POSTED BY REGINALD

I'm curious reggie, where did you read this? As far as I can tell it was taken down shortly after the attack.

Were you following crazy white male.com websites?

#163 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-16 02:48 PM | Reply

From what I read he was quite anti-semitic, thus his criticism of fox news since it is owned by a jew.

Many rightwing whackos definitely suffer from cognitive dissonance in that regard-jews hating jews, Laura Looner being one.

#164 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-16 02:50 PM | Reply

@Snoofy again he stated his grounds for attacking blacks was because of the antisemitism he had towards Jews. If any of you had bothered looking at the crazy things he wrote you'd know this. But again, you read the RollingStone piece which conveniently left out everything I mentioned for a narrative.

#145 | POSTED BY REGINALD

Reggie, you ignore the very obvious fact that main stream republicans tout the great replacement theory

#165 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-16 02:52 PM | Reply

"which is advocated by mainstream republicans
It is that simple"

#159 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2022-05-16 02:37 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Which "mainstream republicans" are you talking about? Liz Cheney?

#166 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-05-16 02:53 PM | Reply

Which "mainstream republicans" are you talking about? Liz Cheney?

#166 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Every single one that wanted trump to stay in power after he lost a democratic election. In other words everyone EXCEPT liz cheney.

#167 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-16 03:01 PM | Reply

"which is advocated by mainstream republicans
It is that simple"
#159 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2022-05-16 02:37 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)
Which "mainstream republicans" are you talking about? Liz Cheney?

#166 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Tucker Carlson
Laura Ingraham
Elise Stefanik
JD Vance
Josh Mandel
Steve King

#168 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-16 03:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

truthhurts wins.

#169 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-05-16 03:04 PM | Reply

Thank you Alex, but that was easy, Lefthandedturd was just doing a drive by. his post was nonsensical

#170 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-16 03:05 PM | Reply

@Truthhurts a simple Google search was how I found it thanks. The Internet is amazing like that.

#171 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-16 03:13 PM | Reply

@Truthhurts a simple Google search was how I found it thanks. The Internet is amazing like that.

#171 | Posted by Reginald

Oh you have working internet? You should use it to google 1/6. Or russiagate. Or trump's financial history. Or climate change. Or trickle down economics.

#172 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-16 03:40 PM | Reply

You mean like these "common sense" federal and state laws, New York in particular, regarding mental health and firearms?
I don't think the Court has opined on such laws.

#88 | POSTED BY ET_AL

I mean laws like the one that that a Federal Court, relying heavily on the Heller decision, just overturned in California this past week that had it been in place nationwide would have stopped this shooter from legally purchasing the rifle.

#173 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-05-16 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"would have stopped this shooter from legally purchasing the rifle."

Pretty hard to stop a shooter from purchasing a rifle, without infringing on their Right to Bear Arms.

I truly don't see how that's even envisioned to be possible. Maybe Et_Al can paint us a picture of how such a stoppage would be legal, in light of the Second Amendment?

#174 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 04:39 PM | Reply

He is however a supporter of leftwing authoritarianism and that's the furthest thing from a Republican as possible.
#158 | Posted by Reginald

Why? Because one is authoritarian and the other is authoritarian?

#175 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-16 04:50 PM | Reply

#173 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE

Good gravy, man! Are you suggesting we regulate the militia well? *Clutches pearls*

#176 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-16 04:52 PM | Reply

I mean laws like the one that that a Federal Court, relying heavily on the Heller decision, just overturned in California this past week that had it been in place nationwide would have stopped this shooter from legally purchasing the rifle.

You mean the one that would have allowed the purchase if he had a hunting license? reason.com

BTW, this was not a merits decision so the law was not overturned. The panel opinion dealt with denial of a preliminary injunction but we'll have to wait see what the en banc court does. CA gun laws have faired quite well before the en banc Ninth Circuit.

#177 | Posted by et_al at 2022-05-16 05:05 PM | Reply

From Et_Al's link,

"First, the Second Amendment protects the right of young adults to keep and bear arms, which includes the right to purchase them. The district court reasoned otherwise and held that the laws did not burden Second Amendment rights at all: that was legal error."

This is what I'm getting at with #174! How we gonna keep someine from exercising their Second Amendment rights when they're planning a killing spree? We can't!

#178 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 05:14 PM | Reply

"If you look at a map of Ukraine you can see that the russians are busy "denazifying" Ukraine by creating a buffer between Ukraine and the Sea of Azov (or as Effetteposer thinks of it - the Nazi Sea). It's all in Ukraine's self-interest, you see? The Sea of Azov turns people into nazis if they swim in it!
#59 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2022-05-15 02:47 PM

Maybe this is why they're trying to cut them of from the Black Sea, too? To help save them from turning Black, which protects them from American white supremacists.

#179 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-05-16 05:17 PM | Reply

You mean the one that would have allowed the purchase if he had a hunting license? reason.com
#177 | POSTED BY ET_AL

My understanding is that an 18-20 year old would have been to purchase a shotgun, bolt action, etc if they had a hunting license but semi-auto centerfire rifles but now they will be able to purchase semi-auto's too.

#180 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-05-16 05:32 PM | Reply

If it walks like a white supremacist duck, it's a ------- white supremacist duck:

Of his political views, he wrote that he was not conservative, saying, "No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it." He continued,

Are you "right wing"?
Depending on the definition, sure.

Are you "left wing"?
Depending on the definition, sure.

Are you a socialist?
Depending on the definition. Worker ownership of the means of production? It depends on who those workers are, their intentions, who currently owns the means of production, their intentions and who currently owns the state, and their intentions.

... When I was 12 I was deep into communist ideology, talk to anyone from my old highschool and ask about me and you will hear that. From age 15 to 18 however, I consistently moved farther to the right. On the political compass I fall in the mild-moderate authoritarian left category, and I would prefer to be called a populist.

He indicated he was influenced by a New Zealand mass shooter who also live streamed his attack, writing, of his key influence, "Yes and his name is Brenton Harrison Tarrant. Brenton's livestream started everything you see here. Brenton started my real research into the problems with immigration and foreigners in our White lands, without his livestream I would likely have no idea about the real problems the West is facing."
heavy.com

I repeat, if it walks like a white supremacist duck, it's a ------- white supremacist duck:

[Brenton Harrison] Tarrant claims to be the author of a 74-page manifesto titled The Great Replacement, a reference to the "Great Replacement" and "white genocide" conspiracy theories.[101][102]

In the manifesto, several anti-immigrant sentiments are expressed, including hate speech against migrants, white supremacist rhetoric, and calls for all non-European immigrants in Europe who he claimed to be "invading his land" to be removed.[107] The manifesto displays neo-Nazi symbols such as the Black Sun and the Odin's cross. The author denies being a Nazi,[108] describing himself instead as an "ethno-nationalist",[85][109][110] an "eco-fascist",[111] and a "kebab removalist", in reference to a meme exalting the genocide of Bosnian Muslims that occurred during the Bosnian War.[112] The author cites Norwegian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik, Dylann Roof and others as an inspiration.
en.wikipedia.org

#181 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-16 05:41 PM | Reply

"I read a bit of the manifesto ... Guy just seems nuts. He's definitely the definition of a white supremacist. Weird part, he hated both the left and the right, but said he could consider himself both a socialist and a fascist at the same time."

Since Tarrant is his hero, I wonder if there isn't some ----------- going on:

[Tarrant's] manifesto was described by some media outlets as "-----------""trolling designed to engender conflict between certain groups and people.[116] Readers of the manifesto described it as containing deliberately provocative and absurd statements, such as sarcastically claiming to have been turned into a killer by playing violent video games.[117]

In the manifesto, Tarrant said he hoped mass shootings would cause conflict over gun control in the United States, and potentially lead to civil war.[122][123]
en.wikipedia.org

#182 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-16 05:50 PM | Reply

We're now learning it wasn't a "white supremacist" but more of a socialist, fascist. I'm going to hold my breath till the headline gets changed...

#183 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-05-16 09:57 PM | Reply

"We're now learning"

He killed 10 more people, more of a racial melange this time?

You're funny.

#184 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 10:05 PM | Reply

In the manifesto, Tarrant said he hoped mass shootings would cause conflict over gun control in the United States, and potentially lead to civil war.[122][123]
en.wikipedia.org
#182 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

In Texas, he could sue Facebook if they take down his manifesto, as he's out there doing his live shooting on Facebook.

#185 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-16 10:07 PM | Reply

Tucker Carlson
Laura Ingraham
Elise Stefanik
JD Vance
Josh Mandel
Steve King

#168 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2022-05-16 03:02 PM | REPLY

You haven't proven ------, douchebagg..

Here's your original comment:

"He killed black people because he believed in the great replacement theory which is advocated by mainstream republicans
It is that simple"

Prove it

#186 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-05-17 07:42 AM | Reply

"He killed black people because he believed in the great replacement theory which is advocated by mainstream republicans
It is that simple"

Honestly I don't know why what I wrote is even controversial

Was that theory why he killed black property?
Was that theory touted by the people I listed?
Are those people mainstream republicans?

What do you consider incorrect?

#187 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-17 08:09 AM | Reply

he killed black people

Ugh autocorrect

#188 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-17 08:10 AM | Reply

What do you consider incorrect?
#187 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

I have the same question. But one of the only tactics Republicans have left is to get you bogged down in an argument over the meaning of a word, so my guess is he's going to say (1) they didnt technically repeat every tenet of great replacement theory verbatim from its wikipedia page; or (2) they are not "mainstream" under his convenient definition of the word.

#189 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-17 08:27 AM | Reply

This is what I'm getting at with #174! How we gonna keep someine from exercising their Second Amendment rights when they're planning a killing spree? We can't!

#178 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-05-16 05:14 PM | FLAG:

Since thought crimes aren't a real thing, we're back to the simple answer nobody likes: Shoot back.

#190 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-17 09:39 AM | Reply

"the simple answer nobody likes: Shoot back."

That's what happened here.

Nobody likes that answer because it's not an answer. It's a capitulation.

#191 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-17 10:28 AM | Reply

Capitulation is saying "nothing can be done", when you can easily arm yourself, shoot back, and have a better chance than the disarmed crowd. The answer to white people rampaging is always the same. Shoot back.

#192 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-17 10:32 AM | Reply

Nothing can be done means our stupid gun loving society can't do anything to rein in gun violence.

Reacting to gun violence with gun violence isn't exactly doing something to reduce gun violence. It's like Homer Simpson saying "Alcohol, the cause of and solution to all of life's problems."

#193 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-17 10:36 AM | Reply

"We're now learning ... "

No. "We" are not. "We" are not learning anything.

#194 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-17 11:42 AM | Reply

Reacting to gun violence with gun violence isn't exactly doing something to reduce gun violence. It's like Homer Simpson saying "Alcohol, the cause of and solution to all of life's problems."
#193 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

When Gabby Giffords was shot, there were a bunch of gun toting patriots in the crowd. One of which almost mistook another gun toting patriot as the actual shooter. He was mere seconds away from shooting someone who was innocent:

Armed Giffords hero nearly shot wrong man
Joe Zamudio, a hero in the Tucson incident, ran to the scene and helped subdue the killer, but he nearly pulled his gun on a fellow hero in the process.
www.nbcnews.com

#195 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-05-17 02:56 PM | Reply

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