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Tuesday, May 24, 2022

Fourteen students and a teacher are dead after a shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, according to Gov. Greg Abbott. The 18-year-old suspect, a student at Uvalde High School, is also dead, he said.

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...A suspect has been taken into custody, police said. The Uvalde Police Department did not immediately provide further information.

Uvalde Memorial Hospital confirmed to ABC News that two children had died from presumed gunshot injuries in the incident.

Additionally, 13 students were being treated in the hospital's emergency department in the wake of the incident, the hospital said. Two patients were transferred to San Antonio for treatment, while a third was pending transfer, the hospital said. A 45-year-old was also hospitalized after getting grazed by a bullet, the hospital said.

University Health in San Antonio said it had two patients from the shooting incident -- a child and an adult. The hospital did not yet have information on their conditions.....


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 04:09 PM | Reply

The elementary school is 90 percent Hispanic.

www.usnews.com

Blacks last week, Hispanics this week? I hope that's not the case.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-24 04:13 PM | Reply

Mmmm, that's good Freedom!

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 04:17 PM | Reply

More thoughts and prayers.

That Tree of Liberty must dwarf a California Redwood by now.

#4 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-24 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No way to prevent this. My thoughts and prayers are with the people of (insert city, school, church, concert venue, event here) for this horrific act of evil and to the families of those impacted by this tragedy. See you next time.

#5 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-05-24 04:18 PM | Reply

Shooter is an 18 year old Hispanic high school student who killed his grandmother first, then went to the school.

The number of dead seems unknown at the moment.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-24 04:41 PM | Reply

14 students, one teacher, and the shooter dead.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-24 04:45 PM | Reply

CNN just reported 15 dead

#8 | Posted by northlimadawg at 2022-05-24 04:47 PM | Reply

...killed his grandmother first, then went to the school.

Sounds like he was having a bad day.

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-05-24 04:51 PM | Reply

It's 19 weeks into the year and America has already seen 198 mass shootings (as of May 15, 2022)
www.npr.org

...The 10 people killed, and an additional three injured, make this weekend's racially motivated attack at a Buffalo, N.Y., supermarket the deadliest mass shooting of the year in the United States.

It is also the 198th mass shooting in 2022. With just over 19 weeks into the year, this averages out to about 10 such attacks a week.

The tally comes from the Gun Violence Archive, an independent data collection organization. The group defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people are shot or killed, excluding the shooter. The full list of mass shootings in 2022 can be found here.

Prior to the Buffalo attack, the largest-scale mass shooting this year was at a car show in Dumas, Ark., on March 19. That attack killed one person and injured 27.

Such shootings are an American phenomenon

Mass shootings, as is well known by now, are a common recurrence in the United States. Around this time last year, the U.S. had experienced a similar number of mass shootings: also about 10 a week.

We ended 2021 with 693 mass shootings, per the Gun Violence Archive. The year before saw 611. And 2019 had 417.

The massacres don't come out of nowhere, says Mark Follman, who has been researching mass shootings since 2012, when a gunman killed 12 people at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo.

"This is planned violence. There is, in every one of these cases, always a trail of ... behavioral warning signs," he told NPR earlier this month. ...


#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 04:58 PM | Reply

My Hometown

#11 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 05:03 PM | Reply

@#6 ... Shooter is an 18 year old Hispanic high school student who killed his grandmother first, then went to the school. ...

Any reporting yet on how he got access to the weapon?

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 05:04 PM | Reply

"It's 19 weeks into the year and America has already seen 198 mass shootings (as of May 15, 2022

They would have used hammers or knives to kill if you remove the constitutionally protected guns.

#13 | Posted by Scotty at 2022-05-24 05:07 PM | Reply

People are saying he had a CVA replica .75 Cal Brown Bess. I don't know it it's true...

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-05-24 05:09 PM | Reply

#11

Sorry to hear that.

Parents have been going around the school desperately searching for their kids.

I can't even imagine that.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-24 05:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I can't imagine that, but I don't have to imagine having a kid in school when there's a lockdown related to someone with a gun.

Went through that around five years ago. It got to the point where my son texted us a message in case he wouldn't see us again. You never forget that.

This country is on a road to hell and it's paved with guns.

#16 | Posted by rcade at 2022-05-24 05:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

People are saying he had a CVA replica .75 Cal Brown Bess. I don't know it it's true...

#14 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Which a trained shooter can fire 4-6 times per minute. For about 10 rounds. Then the breech becomes too hot to load without the powder combusting upon contact. A .75 minie ball with 70+ grains FFFG would give about 1500-1600 fps muzzle velocity. Higher velocity if using a 45-50 sabot round. At short range, like inside a classroom, you could probably get a few 2 for 1's. You could theoretically get 14 hits.

#17 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-24 05:30 PM | Reply

Why would someone go into an elementary school and shot to death a bunch of defenseless children?

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-24 05:33 PM | Reply

"Why would someone go into an elementary school and shot to death a bunch of defenseless children?"

Because they can.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 05:35 PM | Reply

You could theoretically get 14 hits.

It was probably just a Glock. I don't think CVA made a BB anyway.

#20 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-05-24 05:36 PM | Reply

You could theoretically get 14 hits.
It was probably just a Glock. I don't think CVA made a BB anyway.

#20 | POSTED BY REDIAL

I know. Or an AR. Certainly not a singleshot muzzleloader. I was just making a nonsense comment about yet another senseless situation.

#22 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-24 05:40 PM | Reply

"If "guns" were the problem it would have been known decades ago."

It has been known for as long as there's been guns.
You'll never quite get it, but normal people can figure out that guns are an essential part of gun violence.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 05:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Over a dozen families are now in unfathomable pain, and their lives and the lives of so many others in the community will never be the same.

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-24 05:45 PM | Reply

You generally want to let the bodies stop twitching before you politicize ---- like this.

But they don't stop twitching. At least not for long. By the time these dead kids are buried we'll have at least one more mass shooting.

I grew in hunting country too. Went to high school with a rifle, shotgun, or bow, depending on the season, in my pickup. Times change. It was also once legal to open fire on a group of 6 or more Indians within a quarter mile of a white settlement.

#26 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-24 05:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

The shooting occurred after new FBI statistics released Monday showed active shooter incidents in 2021 surged by more than 50 percent from 2020 and by nearly 97 percent from 2017.

#27 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-05-24 05:54 PM | Reply

active shooter incidents

I wonder what an inactive shooter even would look like? Cobain?

#28 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-05-24 05:57 PM | Reply

#10 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

At that rate we should get to 535 mass shootings by New Years 2023. One for every Senator and Representative in Congress.

#29 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-24 06:00 PM | Reply

I believe inactive shooter is when you just have a rifle scope and make "pew, pew" sounds with your mouth.

#31 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2022-05-24 06:03 PM | Reply

Alex Jones just had an aneurysm, very bad timing for his bank account.

Oh, thoughts and prayers etc.

#32 | Posted by Jay at 2022-05-24 06:05 PM | Reply

"If "guns" were the problem it would have been known decades ago."

It has been known for decades, centuries even. That's why for most of the history of our country we had much stronger gun control than what we do now. Remember the assault weapon ban passed in 1994? Studies have shown it helps prevent mass shootings.

news.wttw.com

#33 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-05-24 06:08 PM | Reply

Don't post here and cry about how we shouldn't politicize an unfolding tragedy. Big money interest groups spent decades and tens of millions making shootings political.

#34 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-05-24 06:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

The NRA is pretty sure that this is just the cost of doing bidness.

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-24 06:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Big money interest groups spent decades and tens of millions making shootings political.

#34 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

Example: secret recording of NRA leadership call where they discuss how to deflect and give themselves cover right after the Columbine shooting

www.npr.org

#36 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-05-24 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Shooter is " Salvador Ramos"

So much for you weirdos that wanted this to be a hate crime.

I didn't like high school either but I never would have thought of taking it out on elementary school students.

Shooter is crazy af.

#37 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-24 06:21 PM | Reply

This is not a gun problem, it's a people/culture problem.

#39 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 06:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

LMAO!

A "people" problem? Oh yes, let's fix THAT!

The fact is there are enough people that are imperfect, problematic, dangerous, unpredictable, and prone to all kinds of violence, or are fine until they get driven to the point of lashing out. If you make a device available that instantly takes life it is irreversible.

If guns weren't ubiquitous then people wouldn't be dying from gun shots. You have a much better chance of living if you're involved in a fist fight than a gun fight. You have a better chance of living if you're stabbed. This insanity that guns have noting to do with what's going on is just that - insanity. It's sheer idiocy.

#40 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-24 06:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Uvalde is a relatively small farming and ranching town that sits on the transition from the south Texas brush country to the hill country to the north.

Oh.

In that case, a bunch of dead innocent kids are just part of the deal. Thanks for your local insight!

#41 | Posted by JOE at 2022-05-24 06:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#21 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

This is a political news site, not a memorial page.

Figure it out.

#42 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-05-24 06:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 5

This is not a gun problem, it's a people/culture problem.
#39 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You are a constantly misinformed insurrection loving traitor who supports overthrowing the US Constitution.

#43 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-05-24 06:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

This insanity that guns have noting to do with what's going on is just that - insanity. It's sheer idiocy.

This is a culture problem. The guns didnt get up on their own and shoot people..

#44 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 06:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#44 | POSTED BY BOAZ

So gun culture is the problem?

Interesting take, coming from the likes of you.

#45 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-05-24 06:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#39 | Posted by boaz

LOL!!!!

Offers no explanation why this happens in no other first world countries.

Yer a moron, Bozo.

#46 | Posted by Angrydad at 2022-05-24 06:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"This is a culture problem."

Interesting how other countries choose to address their culture problem by keeping guns out of the hands of culture.

Why don't you think keeping guns out of the hands of crazies is a good idea?
Occam's Razor says it's because your domestic violence conviction would mean you can't play with guns any more.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 06:41 PM | Reply

Maybe you all should leave and go to "those countries"..

#48 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 06:43 PM | Reply

Make me. I suggest using a gun to make me.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 06:45 PM | Reply

And BTW, you arent getting my right to own a weapon.

#50 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 06:46 PM | Reply

I suggest using a gun to make me.

No need. I'd just beat your ass.

That's more fun.

#51 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 06:47 PM | Reply

We require people to pass a test before they can drive why not do the same for gun possession?

We do have a right to make sure kids convicts and crazy people don't have guns.

#52 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-24 06:47 PM | Reply

And BTW, you arent getting my right to own a weapon.
#50 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Do you worry you're a crazy that shouldn't have one?
Because if you aren't, nobody really has a problem with you owning a gun.
If you ever use it to kill someone, it will mostly likely be yourself, second most likely is your wife. But hey, that's what you call freedom.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 06:49 PM | Reply

"No need. I'd just beat your ass."

Good way to get shot.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 06:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Seriously, though Snoofy,

I think we have a mental health issue in this nation. It's the one thing I fault Reagan for. We need more committal mental health hospitals. It's the one thing I wouldnt mind having my taxes raised for..

#55 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 06:51 PM | Reply

The media could do a lot to drive this issue.

For example, they could run pictures of kids bodies lying in pools of blood.

They won't, because there is no liberal media. So they drive it towards Nothing Can Be Done.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 06:51 PM | Reply

You'd lose Boazo... and you know it.

#57 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2022-05-24 06:51 PM | Reply

"We need more committal mental health hospitals"

As a practical matter,
How is that any less an infringement on their rights than taking their guns away?

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 06:52 PM | Reply

@#39 ... This is not a gun problem, it's a people/culture problem. ..

OK, let's say it is what your comment asserts.

How do we fix it?

The NRA has been totally against any manner of national background checks before gun purchases.

Maybe we could start by closing the gun show loopholes.

Instead of just trying to deflect, maybe offer a solution to the problem your comment asserts is the real problem.

#59 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 06:54 PM | Reply

"I think we have a mental health issue in this nation."

And yet you still think people with poor mental health should have guns...

Boaz, yours is a perfect example of the kind of "reasoning" that shows how The GOP Is A Death Cult.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 06:54 PM | Reply

"We need more committal mental health hospitals"

I'm thinking one per every 100,000 people.

And nothing like the nightmare at willow brook either they need to be like the one in the movie rainman.

#61 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-24 06:56 PM | Reply

How is that any less an infringement on their rights than taking their guns away?

#58 | Posted by snoofy

Agreed. But we need to work out a system, obviously. This would help with two issues, gun violence and the homeless.

#62 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 06:59 PM | Reply

And yet you still think people with poor mental health should have guns...

No, I dont. And it depends on how you define "poor". That's pretty broad. But I do think people with verifiable manic mental health probably shouldnt have weapons.

#63 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 07:00 PM | Reply

Uvalde county voted roughly 60% to 40% Republican vs Democrat. Now they live the consequences of their vote - enjoy. Apparently, for some, hauling dead children out of schools is ok, and a fair trade for unfettered gun ownership. I don't think I've seen the parents of any school shooting victims saying their kid's death was worth the gun culture in the US, though. Maybe this is why gun nuts are also pro-life - increase the number of kids and it reduces the odds of YOUR kid getting killed in school.

#64 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2022-05-24 07:01 PM | Reply

You shouldn't politicize (attempt to find a cause and propose a solution to) this shooting right now (while the average person is talking about it). That only shows how heartless (sick and tired of hearing that nothing can be done) you are about the families (people who desperately wish something had been done already).

#65 | Posted by cbob at 2022-05-24 07:03 PM | Reply

There's always at least one gun bunny who comes into a mass shooting thread and wails that it's too soon for a comment to be "political."

As if three weeks after a mass shooting they'd like the comment any better. (Assuming that three weeks can pass in this country without another one.)

Sorry, bunny. We're going to talk about the absolute lunacy of gun rights in America and if you don't like that, you have my thoughts and prayers.

#66 | Posted by rcade at 2022-05-24 07:03 PM | Reply

And yet you still think people with poor mental health should have guns...
No, I dont.
#63 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Bull ------- ----.
You oppose every gun control measure that's ever been dreamed up.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 07:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So do we all agree we need some sort of gun control improvement and to start building new mental facilities?

#68 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-24 07:07 PM | Reply

You oppose every gun control measure that's ever been dreamed up.

Yep. Because you are targeting the general populace. Everyday citizens have done nothing to warrant confiscating weapons or undue "control".

#69 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 07:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So do we all agree we need some sort of gun control improvement and to start building new mental facilities?

We dont need anymore gun control. I'm sure the school was a gun free zone..

We do need more mental health facilities.

#70 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 07:08 PM | Reply

"Because you are targeting the general populace."

Funny, that's what the school shooter did!

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 07:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"We dont need anymore gun control."

See? Only took you a minute to be honest about your views, Boaz.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 07:09 PM | Reply

"Everyday citizens have done nothing to warrant confiscating weapons or undue "control".

What did 15 everyday citizens do, to warrant them being shot?

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 07:11 PM | Reply

You know why stop signs work so well?

Because they're uniform cost to cost.

We need uniform gun control laws.

#74 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-24 07:11 PM | Reply

I grew in hunting country too. Went to high school with a rifle, shotgun, or bow, depending on the season, in my pickup. Times change.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but that statement is to cogent argumentation what a Quaker rice cake is to nutrition.

Times change?

WTF does that mean?

A 5.56, .223, or 7.62 caliber semi-automatic firearm was every bit as lethal in the 70s as it is today when it's employed by people to do harm to other people.

The delta is the number of demented -------- our society has churned out who are capable of doing these things. The delta is the lack of parental oversight and action when an administrator sees red flags.

#75 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 07:11 PM | Reply

Times change?
WTF does that mean?

It means nowadays kids bring their guns to school to kill other kids.
You're just mad you didn't think of it when you were a kid.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 07:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

America's #1 export is weaponry.

America's #1 import are chickens...
...coming back home to roost.

#77 | Posted by Nerfherder at 2022-05-24 07:14 PM | Reply

We need uniform gun control laws.

We do.

It's called the Second Amendment ;)

#78 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 07:15 PM | Reply

"The delta is the number of demented -------- our society has churned out who are capable of doing these things."

Oh please.
Who isn't capable of firing a gun?
The whole reason for guns is they're so much easier to operate than swords and crossbows.

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 07:15 PM | Reply

No snoofy, it's a culture problem.

Back in our day, kids valued life. It wasnt in their character to go shooting up a school. Kids today, not so much.

Society doesnt need to be pointed at guns, they need to be pointed at teenagers and people with no conscience and character.

#80 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 07:16 PM | Reply

Yeah times change are weapons are better than ever.

Ever read the letters written by the inventor of the AK47?

He meant it to be used for defensive purposes not by child soldiers world wide.

He spent decades begging humanity for forgiveness.

Assault Rifles don't belong in the hands of children.

#81 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-24 07:17 PM | Reply

America's #1 export is weaponry.

Lie much?

Searchable List of America's Most Valuable Export Products
Rank US Export Product YOY
1 Processed petroleum oils +46.9%
2 Crude oil +40.1%
3 Petroleum gases +104%
4 Cars +19%

#82 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 07:17 PM | Reply

America's Top 10 Exports

Pharmaceuticals " $83,339 million. ...
Crude oil " $69,317 million. ...
Industrial machines, other " $68,440 million. ...
Semiconductors " $66,098 million. ...
Petroleum products, other " $63,861 million. ...
Passenger cars, new and used " $53,664 million. ...
Other parts and accessories of vehicles " $47,411 million.

#83 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 07:18 PM | Reply

"The delta is the lack of parental oversight and action when an administrator sees red flags."

LOL. There's far more parental oversight now. Kids can't play unsupervised like you and I did. Kids have cell phones and can be tracked all times, unlike when you and I were kids.

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 07:18 PM | Reply

"Back in our day, kids valued life."

Give me a break.
Is that why you kill people for a living, because of how much you value life?

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 07:19 PM | Reply

Society doesnt need to be pointed at guns, they need to be pointed at teenagers and people with no conscience and character.
#80 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Yet you're adamant that teenagers and people with no conscience and character have the right to bear arms.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 07:20 PM | Reply

#83 | POSTED BY BOAZ

If you'd read it as American is the #1 exporter of weaponry would the statement make more sense to you?

#87 | Posted by memyselfini at 2022-05-24 07:23 PM | Reply

Too bad the sneering little fascists can't simply delete the scary looking guns like they do comments they don't like on the internet.

#88 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 07:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

@#78 .... We do.

It's called the Second Amendment ;) ...

Nice try.

While the Second Amendment does apply coast-to-cost, it does not assure uniform gun laws coast-to-coast.

Gun laws are mostly a state-by-state thing, subject to staying within the Second Amendment.

That's one reason why inter-state transport of guns to commit crimes is such a problem.


#89 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 07:24 PM | Reply

#88
Yeah.
Much better, and easier, to delete 15 people.

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 07:25 PM | Reply

Right. Like the shooter in Buffalo. Oh wait. No.
Or the shooter in Las Vegas. Oh wait. No...
Sutherland Springs, Texas?
Pulse nightclub?
San Bernardino, CA?
Hm. That's not going well.
Let's look at the guns then - from the '70's. Every bit as lethal you say?
I don't recall AR-15's being ubiquitous, along with high capacity magazines in the '70's.
What changed?
Oh that's right. Colt's patents for the AR-15 expired in the 1970s, and then other manufacturers began making similar models. The cost dropped. Options abounded, the fetishizing took some time to take hold, but then - boy howdy those gates opened up, didn't they?

#91 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-24 07:25 PM | Reply

America's #1 export is weaponry.

As BOAZ pointed out, this is false.

However, America is the #1 exporter of weaponry. A difference with clear distinction.

According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, the United States remains the world's largest arms exporter responsible for 38.6 percent of international arms sales between 2017 and 2021, up from 32.2 percent between 2012 and 2016.
www.statista.com

#92 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-05-24 07:27 PM | Reply

If you'd read it as American is the #1 exporter of weaponry would the statement make more sense to you?
#87 | POSTED BY MEMYSELFINI

It would then be accurate.

#93 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-05-24 07:28 PM | Reply

"We need more committal mental health hospitals"
As a practical matter,
How is that any less an infringement on their rights than taking their guns away?
#58 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Let's play this out a tad

Prevalence of Serious Mental Illness (SMI)
In 2020, there were an estimated 14.2 million adults aged 18 or older in the United States with SMI. This number represented 5.6% of all U.S. adults. The prevalence of SMI was higher among females (7.0%) than males (4.2%).

Even if you assume 10% of that number need to be committed, that is 1.4 million Americans that have to be committed.

That is a lot of people

Where are you going to put them? Who is going to care for them? You are likely talking millions of healthcare professionals to care for them.

Typically, you want 3:1 staff to patient ratio or around 4.2 million healthcare professionals.

And what about kids-teens like the WI school shooter? Add in a few more million HCP.

Keep in mind there are like 35,000 psychiatric beds in public hospitals throughout the country.

So you are looking at an INCREASE in psychiatric beds of around 1.365 million

Of course these are very very very rough numbers but you get an idea of the magnitude of the problem

To say nothing of the simple Constitutional problem of incarcerating someone against their will-that is ALOT of people losing their rights

#94 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-24 07:28 PM | Reply

Second Amendment doesn't apply to kids convicts or crazies.

#95 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-24 07:28 PM | Reply

Options abounded, the fetishizing took some time to take hold, but then - boy howdy those gates opened up, didn't they?
#91 | POSTED BY YAV

Maybe that's the gun culture problem that BOAZ was talking about.

#96 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-05-24 07:29 PM | Reply

Precrime lockup.
Some people are willing to do anything so they can hang on to their guns.

#97 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-24 07:30 PM | Reply

"the fetishizing took some time to take hold"

That's exactly where we are right now.

Obama was right. They cling to their guns. The comments here are a fine example.

#98 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 07:33 PM | Reply

Boaz' ignorant solution is to deprive millions of their 5th Amendment rights:

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Just an example of one right butting up against another right.

Boaz would be the first to be outraged if the mental health police came to his house to involuntarily commit him to a mental health hospital

#99 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-24 07:34 PM | Reply

@#69 ... Everyday citizens have done nothing to warrant confiscating weapons or undue "control" ...

What do you call "undue" control?

What would you consider "due" control?


(second time I've asked your alias to proffer a proposed solution, instead of just criticizing everything else proposed. Are ya gonna step up for a change? Or does your alias only post comments that gainsay all other suggestions?)

#100 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 07:35 PM | Reply

Second Amendment doesn't apply to kids convicts or crazies.

#95 | POSTED BY TOR

shouldnt, but does

this reminds me of

Anti-abortion except for the 3 exceptions-1. rape, 2. ------, 3. my daughter

#101 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-24 07:35 PM | Reply

@#94 ... To say nothing of the simple Constitutional problem of incarcerating someone against their will ...

Is your comment asserting that people who are currently incarcerated *want* to be incarcerated?

#102 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 07:37 PM | Reply

Maybe that's the gun culture problem that BOAZ was talking about.

United States of America:
4% of the world's population,
35-50% of all the guns in the world.
And the mass shooting capital of the world.

Gun-bunnies would like you to believe there is no correlation.

#103 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-24 07:37 PM | Reply

Yall cling to abortion.

#104 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 07:38 PM | Reply

WTF are you talking about Lamp?

I've given a solution. I dont give a ---- what you think about it..

#105 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 07:39 PM | Reply

"shouldnt, but does"

The founders understood what insanity was and would never want to arm someone who was to far gone.

They also would never arm an inmate or a habitual criminal.

#106 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-24 07:40 PM | Reply

#104 - That's a wacky false equivalence. Wow.

#107 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-24 07:40 PM | Reply

@#94 ... To say nothing of the simple Constitutional problem of incarcerating someone against their will ...
Is your comment asserting that people who are currently incarcerated *want* to be incarcerated?
#102 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

my poorly worded assertion is that Boaz is referring to involuntary commitment (something we already have btw), so boaz is calling for "simply" committing all of the mental health challenged people in America. That act is actually unconstitutional. Involuntary commitment is legal if the person is an imminent danger to themselves or others and refuses to go voluntarily. Boaz is advocating involuntary commitment for literally millions of Americans

#108 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-24 07:41 PM | Reply

Truth,

You are just blanketing a comment.

I'm only talking about committing the incoherent crazies, those that post a danger to society, not people having life/mental problems.

#109 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 07:42 PM | Reply

WTF are you talking about Lamp?
I've given a solution. I dont give a ---- what you think about it..

#105 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You're solution is unworkable and could be considered insane.

Locking away millions of Americans as potential threats.

#110 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-24 07:43 PM | Reply

Yall cling to abortion.
#104 | POSTED BY BOAZ

LOL

There's nothing in the pro-choice movement that comes remotely close to this www.localmemphis.com

Raffling off AR-15s at GOP fundraisers is one of the Riiight's more popular ways to Virtue Signal that they are a Death Cult.

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 07:44 PM | Reply

Truth,
You are just blanketing a comment.
I'm only talking about committing the incoherent crazies, those that post a danger to society, not people having life/mental problems.

#109 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Boaz, you do realize that that system already exists, right? It's called involuntary commitment. It is already in place.

So, you are proposing something that exists and clearly doesn't solve the problem

#112 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-24 07:44 PM | Reply

I'm only talking about committing the incoherent crazies, those that post a danger to society, not people having life/mental problems.

I listed a handful of mass shootings in #91. Which of those would have fit your "incoherent crazies that post a danger to society"?

Also the number of deaths has climbed.

Eighteen children and three adults now deceased.

#113 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-24 07:45 PM | Reply

I once saw a man bring his teenage son into the ER.

He explained to the lady at registration his son was "hearing voices telling him to hurt people".

What's going to happen to that teen when his dad isn't around?

He will either need to have a quasi-religious relationship with medication or a facility where he can go when his medication doesn't work.

#114 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-24 07:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I'm only talking about committing the incoherent crazies, those that post a danger to society, not people having life/mental problems."

Really, you think that would have stopped this shooter?
Incoherent people aren't nearly as big a threat as someone who has the wherewithal to plan a mass shooting, Boaz.

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 07:46 PM | Reply

@#105 ... WTF are you talking about Lamp? ...

The constant gainsaying of your alias to solutions others propose.

... I've given a solution. I dont give a ---- what you think about it.. ...

I didn't offer an opinion of your proposed solution, as I have not seen it. A quick scan back through this long thread did not yield any more info. Aside from talking about it being a mental health issue, I saw not solutions presented.

Maybe, since your solution would be of utmost importance, you may take the time to re-post it? How would you want to solve the mental health issue? Nationwide background checks for mental health before a gun can be purchased?

Mound of gratitude.

#116 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 07:47 PM | Reply

#115 - exactly.

#117 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-24 07:47 PM | Reply

The "incoherent crazies" are not the problem
The problems are those young (generally speaking) men socially isolated who have no safety net and get radicalized and who end up fetishisizing guns

How do you identify them to "commit" them?

#118 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-24 07:50 PM | Reply

How do you identify them to "commit" them?
#118 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

How are they planning on policing abortions in Texas again?

#119 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-05-24 07:52 PM | Reply

Boaz, iow how do we identify and differentiate those who need to be committed?

To use you as an example, you have posted regularly your love of guns, a desire to take liberals out back and shoot them and a philosophy eerily similar to many of the rightwing mass shooters. These would be red flags in a sane world.

Just curious how you would view the situation if the mental health police showed up at your house to take you in for a few days observation?

#120 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-24 07:54 PM | Reply

@#108

thx for the follow-up clarification.

#121 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 07:55 PM | Reply

"The "incoherent crazies" are not the problem
The problems are those young (generally speaking) men socially isolated who have no safety net and get radicalized and who end up fetishisizing guns

How do you identify them to "commit" them?"

The guy who shot Gabbie Gifford was clearly not fit to have gun access.

Same with the sandy hook shooter and the guy who shouts stonemason douglas.

#122 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-24 07:56 PM | Reply

Gunning down elementary school students is a type of post-term abortion.

#123 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-05-24 07:56 PM | Reply

the only 2 mass shooters in recent history that come to mind that were delusional schizophrenics are the Colorado theater shooter and the guy who shot the Arizona (?) congressman. I suppose the NYC subway shooter might fall into that category.

the vast majority of shooters are disaffected and radicalized anti social men. not sure how you could categorize them for commitment

#124 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-24 07:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#109 ... I'm only talking about committing the incoherent crazies, those that post a danger to society ...

OK, many thanks for posting your proposed solution.

But (and you gotta know this was coming) I have questions.

For starters, how would you propose to identify those "incoherent crazies."

And a second, and probably far more important, question...

What percentage of the mass murders over the past two or three years have been the result of an incoherent crazy?

Maybe before you propose a solution, you may want to gather and proffer the data that supports that solution.

Thanks again for posting your proposed solution.


#125 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 08:01 PM | Reply

@ TRUTHHURTS

The sandy hook shooter I can't tell you exactly what his problem was but was was clearly and dangerously delusional.

And there are others.

#126 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-24 08:01 PM | Reply

Three years mandatory military service for 18 year olds. They will learn what destruction of human life is.

Also, legalize and promote prostitution. Young men need to exercise their god given hormones in a clinical, responsible way.

#127 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-05-24 08:05 PM | Reply

#125, that is for mental health professionals to figure out.

Boaz, you do realize that that system already exists, right? It's called involuntary commitment. It is already in place.

If that was the case, the homeless man yelling to himself on the corner would be in a mental health facility.

#128 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 08:07 PM | Reply

This is not a gun problem, it's a people/culture problem.

#39 | POSTED BY BOAZ

GFY -------.

Guns as an identity is part of our culture.

#129 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 08:07 PM | Reply

Boaz is incapable of offering solutions. Leave Boaz alone. Now y'all just being abusive of the handicapped.

#130 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-05-24 08:09 PM | Reply

Maybe you all should leave and go to "those countries"..

#48 | POSTED BY BOAZ

The parents of these kids probably haven't even been able to claim the bodies and you're already showing yourself to be a giant piece of ----.

---- you boaz. With as much disgust, derision and contempt as I can say it, ---- you boaz.

#131 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 08:11 PM | Reply

Pump, bolt actions, and six shooters are part of our culture but they weren't always and don't have to be.

#132 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-24 08:11 PM | Reply

And BTW, you arent getting my right to own a weapon.

#50 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2022-05-24 06:46 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

I suggest using a gun to make me.
No need. I'd just beat your ass.
That's more fun.

#51 | POSTED BY BOAZ

God I hope you die in a fire.

#133 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 08:12 PM | Reply

@#128 ... that is for mental health professionals to figure out. ...

So your comment admits that you do not know enough about the actual problem.

Thanks for admitting that.


#134 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 08:17 PM | Reply

@#128 ... he homeless man yelling to himself ...

Nice (actually, not) how your comments seem to be trying to deflect the discussion away from the gun-violence mass murders.

#135 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 08:20 PM | Reply

#133,

Wow. RCADE, is this what you are letting post on this site now?

Even Snoofy knew I wasnt serious with that comment, why are you trying to insert yourself?

Rarely do I wish to be in person with someone, but I would love to smack the ---- out of you, because I know you would never say anything like that to someone in your face.

#136 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 08:20 PM | Reply

Violence is all you Neanderthals know. You couldn't reason your way out of a wet paper bag.

#137 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-05-24 08:24 PM | Reply

So your comment admits that you do not know enough about the actual problem.

I know the "actual" problem isnt a gun.

#138 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 08:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

the vast majority of shooters are disaffected and radicalized anti social men.

Like the ones who implore you to "stay home and save lives"----and otherwise seethe in spittle-inflected online rage when their contemporaries don't wear face-diapers and dare to publicly interact with their own species?

not sure how you could categorize them for commitment

The "stats" page here would be a suggestion.

You people should hear yourselves. You're ------- unhinged.

#139 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 08:24 PM | Reply

#137,

I didnt present violence first. He did..

#140 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 08:25 PM | Reply

Rarely do I wish to be in person with someone, but I would love to smack the ---- out of you, because I know you would never say anything like that to someone in your face.

#136 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Sure thing, tough guy.

Seriously, dude, the bodies are probably still lying on the ELEMENTARY SCHOOL'S FLOOR and you're worried about ------- gun control.

That's ------- sick and beyond pathetic.

You need to sit and have a long, very hard look in a mirror if the first thought that enters your head after hearing about 14 dead kids and a teacher is "they're not taking my gun."

Look at her face and see if you still think that. If you do, seek help. Serious, intensive help.

#141 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 08:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're ------- unhinged.
#139 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

You're the one correlating COVID measures with mass shootings. Not only is that unhinged, it's really desperate.

Put your fnkcing mask on and shut up about it, you fnkcing masochist.

#142 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-05-24 08:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Rcade, please delete it. Don't want to give the little snowflake the vapors.

#143 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 08:27 PM | Reply

#142 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

It's what you'd expect from a trustfunder who's never achieved anything in their life.

He drank his way through four frat years at Texas Tech and was handed a "ranch" from daddy.

#144 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 08:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

you're worried about ------- gun control.

Nope, the liberals here are. First thing they talk about is why we cant ban guns.

#145 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 08:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

But it's true JPW,

You would never say that to my face. You are a coward. It's obvious in how you post here.

#146 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 08:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#136 | Posted by boaz

LOL!

Git 'im, Rickey!

#147 | Posted by Angrydad at 2022-05-24 08:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#138 ... I know the "actual" problem isnt a gun. ...

If your comment states that with such certainty, surely you have the data to back that up.

Why not post the substantiation of your comment? Starting with why the word "actual" is quoted in your comment.

#148 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 08:31 PM | Reply

"You need to sit and have a long, very hard look in a mirror"

I'll say it again: site really needs an IRONIC flag. The funny flag doesn't cut it, because there's obviously nothing humorous in your posts.

#149 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-05-24 08:32 PM | Reply

@#145 ... Nope, the liberals here are. ...

Your comments have been quite concerned about gun control as well.

Why does your alias seem to be so concerned about possible gun control?

#150 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 08:34 PM | Reply

@#149 ... I'll say it again: site really needs an IRONIC flag. ...

Be careful what you wish for.

:)

#151 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 08:35 PM | Reply

God I hope you die in a fire.

The few that could be considered "close" to him remembered a quiet boy--one who spent many hours online. "J.Pussoir looked after those beakers and kept them spotless", recalled Mick Shrimpton, Operations Director for Titan Uranus Analytical Laboratories. "He had a quiet, seething anger about him that I never really took seriously, but perhaps I overlooked it because he did a good job for us."

Tonight authorities are said to be scouring Pussoir's online activity for clues---any clues that can help the families of tonight's tragedy come to grips and piece together answers they so desperately need. Undoubtedly the biggest one they need tonight----"Why"?

Reporting for NPR tonight, I'm Mao-Shell Norris.

#152 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 08:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's now 18 students and two adults.

But don't take muh gunz!

I'll pray for you!

#153 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 08:38 PM | Reply

"Guns as an identity is part of our culture."

It's certainly a centerpiece of Boaz's cultural identity.

When you call a mag a clip... that's a microaggression against Boaz culture.

#154 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 08:39 PM | Reply

I know the "actual" problem isnt a gun.
#138 | POSTED BY BOAZ

The actual problem is guns.

#155 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 08:41 PM | Reply

Boaz, was the solution to the problem a gun?

#156 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 08:42 PM | Reply

When you call a mag a clip... that's a microaggression against Boaz culture.

No.

It just means you're an incandescently ignorant ------------ who has very little to contribute to the conversation.

#157 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 08:42 PM | Reply

Nope, the liberals here are. First thing they talk about is why we cant ban guns.

#145 | POSTED BY BOAZ

There was one comment that tangentially mentioned it in the 38 posts before yours.

Then you posted this without provocation.

This is not a gun problem, it's a people/culture problem.

#39 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You're just a selfish, self-absorbed -----. 18 dead 2nd, 3rd and/or 4th graders and you're worried about you. And not even something that's going to significantly impact your life.

---- you.

#158 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 08:42 PM | Reply

You would never say that to my face. You are a coward. It's obvious in how you post here.

#146 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Whatever you gotta tell yourself, beta ----.

#159 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 08:43 PM | Reply

I'll say it again: site really needs an IRONIC flag. The funny flag doesn't cut it, because there's obviously nothing humorous in your posts.

#149 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I'm sorry, did I express concern that my AR will be restricted because 18 kids 8-10 years old were murdered today?

Suck a dick, SSentinel. Or bounce it off your forehead. I don't care how you get your jollies.

#160 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 08:44 PM | Reply

#157 See what I mean? Look how aggressive they get when their pronouns aren't respected!

#161 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 08:45 PM | Reply

Boaz, was the solution to the problem a gun?

Ask the person who pulled the trigger, you know? The one who is responsible for this..

#162 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 08:46 PM | Reply

When you call a mag a clip... that's a microaggression

My personal fave. Winds them up like a pedantic top.

#163 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-05-24 08:48 PM | Reply

Boaz doesn't know anything other than "don't take muh gunz."

Because he doesn't actually give a ----. Not his kid, not his problem.

#164 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 08:48 PM | Reply


@#162 ... The one who is responsible for this.. ...

How do you propose to resolve that problem?

So far, all your comments seem to try to do is deflect away from any real proposed solutions.

So I now gotta ask, why does your alias seem to be striving so strenuously to deflect any real discussion of the mass-murder issue facing the Country?

Why?

#165 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 08:53 PM | Reply

BOAZ, it's very clear you're worried about gun control. It's all you talk about, the consequences of gun control which for you would entail having your gun confiscated.

That's all you care about.

Own it.

Swallow it.

#166 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-05-24 08:57 PM | Reply

www.youtube.com

What boaz is really afraid of.

Losing what semblance of mandhood he thinks he still has.

#167 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 08:57 PM | Reply

These maladjusted, semi-translucent, tech-addicted little fascist ----- we called "liberals" 10 years ago are a fascinating demographic.

They just bounce from one Existential threat to the next: Climate Change, COVID, White Supremacy, Russians, Guns, etc. They're only solutions are to prostrate themselves before the State and its Techocratic and Bureaucratic Gods.

It really is a mental disorder.

#168 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 08:58 PM | Reply

Note the date on that video.

It's been YEARS of this problem going nowhere because of some people's inability to set an identity for themselves that doesn't involve guns or faux masculinity.

#169 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 08:59 PM | Reply

I just hope they don't ban edibles.

I'll die on that hill.

#170 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 09:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If that was the case, the homeless man yelling to himself on the corner would be in a mental health facility.

#128 | POSTED BY BOAZ

So, then, you ARE advocating mass incarceration of mentally challenged individuals.

The system, as it is now, doesnt permit involuntary commitment unless the person poses a threat to themselves or others.

You advocate expanding that to those you seem to deem nuisances. that has major constitutional problems.

Of course, THAT does little to nothing to address the problem at hand. the schizophrenic homeless person is not the one causing the problem (they are far more likely to be the victim of crime btw).

So, then what about the people who are identified as in crisis by say, 911 calls or school reporting, which are far more likely to impact the pool of potential shooters. What do you advocate for those people? You know, the sandy hook shooter, the buffalo store shooter, the WI school shooter who's parents were also arrested? Those types, which are far more typical

#171 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-24 09:00 PM | Reply

I've got a message for all you liberals out there...

www.youtube.com

#172 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-05-24 09:03 PM | Reply

Governor Hot Wheels says the problem is there aren't enough guns in that festering --------.

Greg Abbott
@GregAbbott_TX

Governor candidate, TX
I'm EMBARRASSED: Texas #2 in nation for new gun purchases, behind CALIFORNIA. Let's pick up the pace Texans.
@NRA

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#173 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-05-24 09:04 PM | Reply

It really is a mental disorder.
#168 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

Says the guy that's so inconvenienced by wearing a mask, he invokes it in a discussion about mass shootings.

Fnkcing weird.

#174 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-05-24 09:05 PM | Reply

18 elementary kids shot dead in their classrooms? Meh. Too bad one of these shooters doesn't walk into a PPH and kill 18 pregnant women waiting to have an abortion. Then maybe all the Christian conservative gun nuts would give a damn.

#175 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-24 09:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You advocate expanding that to those you seem to deem nuisances. that has major constitutional problems.

Freddumb luvin "c-c-conservatives" love them some incarceration. They luv freedumbz so much they can't help themselves from locking everyone else up to maintain their own!

#176 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 09:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So, then, you ARE advocating mass incarceration of mentally challenged individuals.

There you go, being broad again and trying to assign a position to me.

I've already explained who may need to be committed..

and it's not incarceration. You liberals really know how to change the subject and act like it's fact.

#177 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 09:12 PM | Reply

@#177 ... trying to assign a position to me.

I've already explained who may need to be committed.. ...

Please explain the criteria you would use to commit those who you think should be committed.

And while we're at it, please explain why you think that committing those people will solve the mass-murder problem.

thx.

#178 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 09:20 PM | Reply

The Buffalo shooter was investigated because his school reported comments he made.

Nothing happened. He was let go and we all know how that occurred.

You can't lock people up to solve this problem.

Boaz just thinks if people he finds undesirable are locked away it will remove any necessity for him to think outside his selfish little box.

#179 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 09:22 PM | Reply

Boaz, was the solution to the problem a gun?
Ask the person who pulled the trigger, you know? The one who is responsible for this..
#162 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Seeing as it took someone pulling the trigger to stop this,
And it took someone pulling the trigger to start this,
How can you say the gun isn't a key feature?

Maybe you don't realize it, but you've spent years here, telling us water isn't wet.

#180 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 09:24 PM | Reply

It really is a mental disorder.
#168 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

Hmm.
Kids worried about climate change doesn't seem to have resulted in any school shootings...

#181 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 09:26 PM | Reply

"Boaz just thinks if people he finds undesirable are locked away it will remove any necessity for him to think outside his selfish little box."

Good call. JPW.
It's the "lock her up" mentality just being applied to a different problem.
The Wall they loved so much, serves to lock the Bad People out.

It really is a political philosophy that thinks most of society's problems can be solved, if we very selectively use precision guided legal munitions on just the right people. And the collateral damage is always in the "acceptable losses" category.

#182 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 09:29 PM | Reply

You're the one correlating COVID measures with mass shootings.

No I'm not.

I'm correlating the rabid fealty and dogma to State-Mandated "COVID Measures" with the anti-social tendencies of urban white, leftist men.

Now, if one was so inclined, he could probably develop that further into a correlation between anti-social tendencies and a propensity to shoot at large groups of people.

#183 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 09:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"the anti-social tendencies of urban white, leftist men."

How you gonna be anti-social and live in a city?
???

#184 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 09:31 PM | Reply

You know what the Liberal Media won't report on?
All the schools that didn't get shot up today.

Signed,
JeffJ

#185 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 09:33 PM | Reply

Just heard a great quote......

Guns don't kill people.

Americans kill people.

Other places don't do what we do.

#186 | Posted by brass30 at 2022-05-24 09:34 PM | Reply

Except in Norway

And Rwanda.

Remember that wog on the bridge in a lorry in the UK?

#187 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 09:36 PM | Reply

www.youtube.com
What boaz is really afraid of.
Losing what semblance of mandhood he thinks he still has.
#167 | POSTED BY JPW

Good link.
Good part about the "culture problem" dog whistle that Boaz and others enjoy blowing.

#188 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 09:36 PM | Reply

So, then, you ARE advocating mass incarceration of mentally challenged individuals.
There you go, being broad again and trying to assign a position to me.
I've already explained who may need to be committed..
and it's not incarceration. You liberals really know how to change the subject and act like it's fact.

#177 | POSTED BY BOAZ A

You are so ignorant it is not funny.

You do realize that someone who is involuntarily committed gets a lawyer and appears before a judge who decides whether they stay committed, right? While incarceration implies imprisonment, the concept is the same.

Again, those people ARE committed, when the pose a risk to themselves or others.
You advocate expanding that to schizophrenic homeless people who do not pose a risk to themselves and others.

How does that address the problem at hand?

Are you advocating the involuntary commitment of anyone expressing delusions or psychosis? How would that address the problem?

What about the loner anti-social type, which seems to be the main problem? What are your solutions to those people?

Honestly, if you can't go beyond throwing non violent homeless people in hospitals, then you have zero ideas.

#189 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-24 09:36 PM | Reply

How you gonna be anti-social and live in a city?

#StayHomeSaveLives

#190 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 09:38 PM | Reply

How can you say the gun isn't a key feature?

Because if the first person who shot the kids, didnt shoot the kids, the second person who shot the shooter wouldnt have shot the shooter.

So, therefore, it's the shooter's actions that led to triggers being pulled.

#191 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 09:38 PM | Reply

@#177 ... I've already explained who may need to be committed..

and it's not incarceration. You liberals really know how to change the subject and act like it's fact. ...

I asked your alias to explain the criteria used to justify those who may need to be committed.

#178

... Please explain the criteria you would use to commit those who you think should be committed. ...

Sooo... what's yer got?

(besides deflective attacks on liberals)


#192 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 09:38 PM | Reply

26 years ago, a gunman entered
Dunblane Primary School in Scotland,
killing 16 kids and a teacher. The UK
govt responded by enacting tight gun
control legislation. In the 9400+ days
since, there have been a total of O
school shootings in the UK. #Uvalde

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#193 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-24 09:40 PM | Reply

Shut up Lamp...

Your questions are stupid.

#194 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 09:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#191 ... it's the shooter's actions that led to triggers being pulled. ...

So what triggered the shooter to pull the trigger to murder 14 kids?

Your prior comments seem to assert you have some manner of experience in this area.

So what triggered the shooter to pull the trigger to murder 14 kids?

(corollary... why does your alias seem to be so reluctant to discuss this aspect of mass-murders?)

#195 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 09:42 PM | Reply

18 children are dead and the gun freak plays internet tough-guy. You're lower than pond scum, pal.

#196 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-05-24 09:42 PM | Reply

Only in America:

Uvalde: AR-15
Buffalo: AR-15
Boulder: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Parkland: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Aurora, CO: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Waffle House: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Midland/Odessa: AR-15
Poway synagogue: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15
Tree of Life Synagogue: AR-15

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#197 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-24 09:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#194 ... Your questions are stupid. ...

I offer my apologies for proffering simple questions that your alias apparently seems to be unwilling to answer.

... Shut up Lamp... ...

But I do find it quite interesting that, instead of answering my questions your alias would rather that I stop asking those questions.

Why is your alias so afraid of answering simple questions?

#198 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 09:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I know. Or an AR. Certainly not a singleshot muzzleloader.

Looks like the AR with multiple clips is a winner!

#199 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-05-24 09:46 PM | Reply

www.cnn.com

Look at those, boaz.

Keep looking at the pictures as they come out.

If you still value your fake tough guy identity embodied in your guns then you're ------- sick.

#200 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 09:47 PM | Reply

It's an amazingly versatile firearm.

My 6 year old little girl loves hers. It's got a pink stock.

She's gotta have earmuffs though.

We call hers "Gersh""-after the aptly-named Gersh Kuntzman.

#201 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 09:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Your questions are stupid.

#194 | POSTED BY BOAZ

LOL because you don't actually have answers beyond "don't take muh gunz!"

Your faux concern over mental health is just a convenient deflection that you clearly haven't thought about.

Because your thinking stops at "don't take muh gunz!"

Because what you're really thinking is "don't take muh masculinity!"

#202 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 09:50 PM | Reply

And we want to pretend America is the greatest country on earth:

Juliette Kayyem
@juliettekayyem
I think it is important to be detailed because to say this was a "shooting" is sanitary. Children that young were killed by a weapon that shatters. Young kids would not have identification; they may not be recognizable. There are so many of them. Authorities are figuring 1/

out who is this child compared to who is that child by figuring out which parents are left without reuniting with their child. And then that child -- maybe unrecognizable, without identification -- has to be identified by a parent. 2/

who knows that their child has not survived because the parent hasn't been reunited with their child. Only this parent can tell -- by look, by the way a parent knows -- which body is his or her child's. And that is what is happening. "Shooting" sounds too benign. 3/3

twitter.com

#203 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-24 09:51 PM | Reply

#196 you want to know what pond scum is? It's a President that speaks without facts about the useless killing of innocent children using it for political power. I know his mental capacities are limited but who ever gave him his talking points is pure evil and has no soul.

#204 | Posted by fishpaw at 2022-05-24 09:51 PM | Reply

I know his mental capacities are limited but who ever gave him his talking points is pure evil and has no soul.

#204 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

They're fine.

Look at people on this thread like boaz and mao if you want to see mental deficiencies.

Both think they're Chreestians too.

You probably do as well, don't you?

#205 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 09:53 PM | Reply

@#204

Nice deflection attempt.

What else ya got?

Aside, that is, from admitting ya got nothing else.

#206 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 09:56 PM | Reply

#154

"When you call a mag a clip... that's a microaggression against Boaz culture."

That just demonstrates your usual stupidity and ignorance of the subject on a gun thread.

#207 | Posted by willowby at 2022-05-24 09:57 PM | Reply

@#207 ... That just demonstrates your usual stupidity and ignorance of the subject on a gun thread. ...

Gun thread?

This is a mass-murder thread, a mass-murder that was caused by someone with a gun.

So... what is your alias going to contribute?

How might you want to prevent such tragedies in the future?

What solutions would you propose?

Or, is your current alias here, like the Boaz alias seems to be, just to criticize?




#208 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 10:03 PM | Reply

Children that young were killed by a weapon that shatters.

Ohhhh you ain't seen nothing yet.

The US army just selected a new standard issue rifle. It still looks like an AR but fires a new round called the .277 Fury.

The AR-15 round is 5.56 x 45mm. The .277 Fury is 6.8 x 51mm. Slightly smaller than the round the 5.56 replaced, the .308 (7.62 x 51mm).

Well all the beta cucks get the newest and greatest to play toy soldier with it's gonna be a totally different ball game when it comes to carnage.

www.youtube.com

#209 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 10:03 PM | Reply

#204 - you want to know what pond scum is? Read post #204.

#210 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-24 10:06 PM | Reply

Apparently this shooter like the one in Buffalo was wearing body armor, and we saw what happened to the retired cop turned security guard who tried to stop the Buffalo shooter:

"We can't stop bad people from doing bad things," says @KenPaxtonTX on @FoxNews. "We can potentially arm and prepare and train teachers and other administrators to respond quickly. That, in my opinion, is the best answer." #UvaldeSchoolShooting #Texas

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#211 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-24 10:10 PM | Reply

So what triggered the shooter to pull the trigger to murder 14 kids?

How the ---- do I know? He's a spoiled, vain kid. Only HE is responsible for what happened today.

BTW, your "alias" -------- is childish. I just wanted to let you know because you think your are being so smart in saying that.

#212 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 10:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

...fires a new round called the .277 Fury.

That's interesting. What's the logic behind the change? Grunts learning to shoot better so they don't need to waste as much ammo? Longer range engagements?

#213 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-05-24 10:15 PM | Reply

Longer engagements and to counter developments in body armor.

#214 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 10:16 PM | Reply

How might you want to prevent such tragedies in the future?

I've already told you. I'm not going to repeat myself.

Your line of...talking, is stupid. You just want me to get into supposed specifics, which it's not my job to do, just so you can have more to argue about.

You are a simpleton, and I tire of your idiocy.

#215 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 10:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Biden's speech on the big screen at Herschel Walker's victory party. "As a nation, we have to ask when in God's name are we going to stand up to the gun lobby?" Biden says. The crowd yells out boos.

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#216 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-24 10:16 PM | Reply

You are a simpleton, and I tire of your idiocy.

#215 | POSTED BY BOAZ

From the guy who can't come up with more than a shallow, poorly thought-out deflection who now wants to call someone asking clarifying questions the simpleton and idiot.

LOL

#217 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 10:19 PM | Reply

@#212 ... How the ---- do I know? He's a spoiled, vain kid. ...

How do you know he is a spoiled, vain kid?

What do you base that assertion upon?


#218 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 10:22 PM | Reply

From the guy who can't come up with more than a shallow, poorly thought-out deflection who now wants to call someone asking clarifying questions the simpleton and idiot.
LOL

#217 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2022-05-24 10:19 PM

From the gun-toting pro abortion advocate. LOL

#219 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-05-24 10:29 PM | Reply

Out his fool @ss, like everything else that clown posts.

#220 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-05-24 10:29 PM | Reply

He was an "emo" meskin kid in Uvalde.

Prolly not "spoiled".

Certainly vain, as his addiction to social media seems to indicate.

#221 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 10:30 PM | Reply

@#215 ... Your line of...talking, is stupid. You just want me to get into supposed specifics, which it's not my job to do ...

Not really.

All I ask of your alias is to substantiate what it proffers here. If that means getting into specifics, then yeah, your alias should do that.

Or does your alias think you can just post things here and not provide any manner of substantiation for what is posted?

... just so you can have more to argue about. ..

Well, if I disagree with what your alias posts, I will say so. Why does your alias think that such as disagreement is a problem here?

But I gotta ask, why does your alias, admittedly, seem to be so reluctant to substantiate what it posts?

Does your alias just seem to expect everyone to fall in line with your opinion?


Serious question.

#222 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 10:30 PM | Reply

From the gun-toting pro abortion advocate. LOL
#219 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Nobody is pro-abortion.

But I guess you're a fan of a right to privacy not being a part of our legal system, eh? Gee, can't see how that would go wrong now, could we?

Also, not sure how your "response" responded to the quote.

#223 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-24 10:31 PM | Reply

Sgt. Erick Estrada of the Texas Dept of Public Safety tells @andersoncooper the shooter crashed his car near the school, got out with a gun and wearing body armor, was engaged by law enforcement, but made his way into the school anyway and went classroom to classroom shooting.

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#224 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-24 10:34 PM | Reply

How might you want to prevent such tragedies in the future?
I've already told you. I'm not going to repeat myself.
Your line of...talking, is stupid. You just want me to get into supposed specifics, which it's not my job to do, just so you can have more to argue about.
You are a simpleton, and I tire of your idiocy.

#215 | POSTED BY BOAZ

This is the post of someone who is tragically ignorant.

#225 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-24 10:36 PM | Reply

Sgt. Erick Estrada

Ponch?

#226 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-05-24 10:40 PM | Reply

"It's a President that speaks without facts about the useless killing of innocent children using it for political power."

We want the President to have some degree of political power to stop the useless killing of innocent children.

Maybe doing something like appointing three Supreme Court justices to overturn Roe. Who knows.

#227 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-24 10:41 PM | Reply

"Sgt. Erick Estrada of the Texas Dept of Public Safety tells @andersoncooper the shooter crashed his car near the school, got out with a gun and wearing body armor, was engaged by law enforcement, but made his way into the school anyway and went classroom to classroom shooting."

Apparently there was no schools security protocol and the good guy with a gun theory has now been disproven in Texas none the less.

#228 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-24 10:45 PM | Reply

There's always a ray of light in times of darkness.

The elections tonight were one.

#229 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 10:46 PM | Reply

Well it happened. I agreed with a democrat politician. I wish I could remember her name. I was listening to her sound bite on the radio on the way home. She was asking for a moratorium on immigration status for the next 30 days in Uvalde. 80%+ Of the school population (kids/staff) is Hispanic. Parents should not be afraid to come forward to find/help/save their child(s). The community should not be afraid to step up and speak out if they know anything. No one, IMHO, should have an issue with this, to me it's the right thing to do.

#230 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2022-05-24 10:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

---- off you racist skank

#231 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-05-24 10:53 PM | Reply

And ---- you Boaz. I would love to meet you face to face and whoop your so-called black ass

#232 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-05-24 10:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Goodness.

This is the sort of pent-up ---- that creates these situations.

Do you have any non-online hobbies, LEGALLYRIGHTSAIDFRED?

#233 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 11:00 PM | Reply

@#230 ... No one, IMHO, should have an issue with this, to me it's the right thing to do. ...

So your alias thinks that no one should have a problem with some unnamed politician quoted on the radio by who knows. Someone that you, admittedly, have no remembrance of who or what was actually stated.

Really, I gotta ask, why would you think that no one should have an issue with that?

Is that all it takes for your alias to form a position?

Serious question.

(good grief. I typically reserve the "Serious Question" comment for those rare occasions when it is needed. But I got to ask, why did I pose it twice this evening? What has changed?)

#234 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 11:01 PM | Reply

Hundreds of school shootings nationwide, only thoughts and prayers.

1 schools shooting by a kid with a Hispanic name and suddenly the xenophobes start screaming for shutting the border.

Didn't hear Gracie say shht about the Buffalo shooter. But. He was white and he killed black people. She most likely approved and donated to his gofundme account.

Republicans, what a fkkked group of people.

#235 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-24 11:04 PM | Reply

---- off Bow wow Mao. Go back to taking loads in truck-stop bathrooms

#236 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-05-24 11:04 PM | Reply

#235
You lack reading comprehension. The idea is to stop immigration enforcement actions in Uvalde so immigrants won't be afraid to come forward.

#237 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-05-24 11:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

1 schools shooting by a kid with a Hispanic name and suddenly the xenophobes start screaming for shutting the border.

Nobody's doing that.

Uvalde is like 90% Meskin and always has been. It's Sw Texas for ----- sake.

I can assure you this second or third generation maladjusted emo ---- had way more in common with you then he did with any lice-ridden Salvadoran wretch crossing in Eagle Pass.

#238 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 11:17 PM | Reply

#237 You can't explain things to posters like him/her/it. Not worth your time, or mine.

#239 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2022-05-24 11:18 PM | Reply

You lack reading comprehension.

No. You lack reading comprehension.

School shootings are an everyday occurrence in America.

White personality kills, thoughts and prayers. Nothing could be done. He was having a bad day.

Every single time.

The fact anything more is being done is because the shooter wasn't white.

#240 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-24 11:19 PM | Reply

You can't explain things to posters like him/her/it. Not worth your time, or mine.
#239 | POSTED BY GROSSKUNT

Oh look, the skunt comes back to prove to all what wretched stenches fume out of her nether regions.

She legally dead. But clings on to life to spend her ex husband's money.

#241 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-24 11:28 PM | Reply

---- off Bow wow Mao. Go back to taking loads in truck-stop bathrooms

I'm a multi-tasker, Hand ;)

#242 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 11:28 PM | Reply

#208

Spare me your sophistry. ANY mass shooting IS a gun thread and snoofy posts incredibly stupid things on all of them. He's money.

#243 | Posted by willowby at 2022-05-24 11:30 PM | Reply

White personality kills

Data reflecting homicide correlated to race begs to differ, Reza.

#244 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-24 11:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#243 ... Spare me your sophistry. ANY mass shooting IS a gun thread ...

Yeah, I hold the opinion that your alias would most like to characterize it as such.

But your comment offers no substantiation for what it tries to proffer.

So,your sophistry-attempting comment aside, what does your alias think about this disaster?

#245 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-05-24 11:46 PM | Reply

I don't know if this is true or relevant:

FARGO, N.D. (Valley News Live) - In an interview with CNN, Texas State Senator Roland Gutierrez says the suspected shooter from Tuesday's mass shooting, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, was born in North Dakota. He most recently lived and went to high school in Uvalde, where the shooting took place.

www.valleynewslive.com

#246 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-24 11:58 PM | Reply

Migrant farm workers abound in Uvalde. They move all over following harvest.

#247 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-25 12:17 AM | Reply

"right to privacy"

This from the lab rat who wants forced vaccinations and associated visas for all, lol.

#248 | Posted by LEGALLYDORKY at 2022-05-25 12:18 AM | Reply

Biden didn't wait long to start inappropriately touching/sniffing the corpses for political purposes.

#249 | Posted by LEGALLYDORKY at 2022-05-25 12:19 AM | Reply

Tell you what left leaning posters ... I'll trade you increasing the age of someone owning a gun to age 21 if you're willing to trade forcefully committing those who are mentally ill to facilities that force them to address their issues.

#250 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-25 12:48 AM | Reply

I know his mental capacities are limited but who ever gave him his talking points is pure evil and has no soul.

#204 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

THIS is why nothing can be done. We are too busy owning each other and demonizing a President who is obviously a good man who wants to end the suffering to even begin to address the problem.

I still think some here don't think there IS a problem. To them things are just going according to plan.

Another sad dad of suffering in America with parents getting their hearts ripped apart and all we can do is blame each other and hurl insults.

Welcome to the DR and the Divided States of America. Land of Brave and home of the free.

Where nothing can be done.

#251 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-25 01:08 AM | Reply

mobile.twitter.com

Here you are boaz.

These are the faces of the kids your "pro life culture" values less than you faux masculinity idol.

#252 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-25 01:09 AM | Reply

Sad dad. Sad day. Dads on a sad day ...

#253 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-25 01:10 AM | Reply

looks like ya'll screwed up when reading gracie's post.

#254 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-25 01:35 AM | Reply

if you're willing to trade forcefully committing those who are mentally ill to facilities that force them to address their issues.
#250 | POSTED BY REGINALD

So, you're looking to commit the Republican Party?

#255 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-25 01:38 AM | Reply

No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen
@NoLieWithBTC
NEW: Families in Uvalde are having to get their DNA swabbed because the bodies of the dead children are so unrecognizable because of the military-style weaponry used by the shooter, per @AnayeliNews.
9:07 PM May 24, 2022

Another triumphant day for the GOP/NRA.

#256 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-05-25 01:40 AM | Reply

SAY... could ya'll do "clips vs mags" again?

You know, just for old times sakes.

#257 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-25 01:46 AM | Reply

@clownshack I'm assuming you haven't seen the photos of him dressed as a woman have you? On a serious note though ... If the left wants to do something on this and have meaningful action. Have the Republicans agree to increasing the age limit on gun ownership in exchange for forcibly committing the mentally ill. There would be a bill for Biden to sign within a week if the Dems agreed to that.

#258 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-25 01:57 AM | Reply

POSTED BY REGINALD

So. You're reneging?

Whatever. It was your stupid scenario.

Go back to living in your fantasies.

It's the only place you're safe from reality.

#259 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-25 02:02 AM | Reply

@clownshack can't handle the fact that the shooter was moonlighting as a tranny? It's tough to debate I know for the left I know. But if we increase the age on ownership and start locking away folks like this we can have safer schools and public spaces. I know plenty of Republicans who agree that's a fair compromise for both sides to foster safety (especially for children).

#260 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-25 02:04 AM | Reply

Reggie if you want people to believe you you're going to have to post a link to a credible source

#261 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-25 02:17 AM | Reply

@Tor credible source ... the photos are posted all over social media from his scrubbed IG account. It's there if you want to go find it. I understand that the MSM doesn't want to report this kind of stuff due to the alphabet gang, but it doesn't make it any less true.

#262 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-25 02:19 AM | Reply

link or bs.

#263 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-25 02:38 AM | Reply

@Tor here's one ...

nbatitlechase.com

#264 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-25 02:46 AM | Reply

can't handle the fact that the shooter was moonlighting as a tranny?

Oh. I see. You're transphobic.

Don't worry. Your mental illness can be cured.

Thank to the guns for nuts program you wanted so badly.

We can set you up with the proper counseling you require.

Your ignorance and bigotry will not go untreated!

#265 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-25 02:52 AM | Reply

Why would someone go into an elementary school and shot to death a bunch of defenseless children?

#18 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Because they were a coward that was mad about their tiny manhood.

#266 | Posted by a_monson at 2022-05-25 02:55 AM | Reply

Once again Dumb'merica fails its children,
in favor of guns, and the toxic masculinity
wet dream notion of a Old American Wild West...

well Sirs, we have it...

but all too often its not men shooting men, but
men and boys shooting children...

#267 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-05-25 06:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is not a gun problem, it's a people/culture problem.

#39 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-24 06:28 PM | Reply | Flag

--------.

The problem is that it is easier to get a weapon that can hunt people and kill 20 in less than minute than it is to get baby formula. That is the problem.

The problem is that law enforcement is apathetic so that even when the warning signs are there, nothing is done about it.

The problem is that money from Russia through the NRA is more important childrens lives.

After Sandy Hook a plan to reinforce schools was developed to prevent these mass murders. What happened? Nothing. $40,000,000 per day is printed to feed the war machine and not a dollar is used to reinforce schools. Doesn't matter though, once schools become too hardened of a target, the right wing terrorists will shift to shopping malls and grocery stores like my neighborhood killing people doing their grocery shopping.

How many pictures of GOP candidates do we see posing with assault weapons, posing with them and their kids are each holding an AR-15? That is mental illness right there. Period.

This is just the beginning.

#268 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-05-25 08:01 AM | Reply

Why would someone go into an elementary school and shot to death a bunch of defenseless children?

#18 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Why would they go anywhere and shoot unarmed people?

Children.

Senior citizens.

Grocery store workers.

Walmart shoppers.

Movie theater customers.

Doctors.

Church study group.

This is a wholly unique USA problem because of the mental illness that is manifested with a loving of a piece of metal.

Gun fetishism is a mental illness.

The GOP loves Russian NRA money more than unarmed citizens.

Even the NRA will not allow guns in it's own convention. Let that sink in.

The NRA BANS GUNS FROM ITS EVENTS.

We are left to pick up the body parts from their mental illness.

#269 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-05-25 08:06 AM | Reply

80%+ Of the school population (kids/staff) is Hispanic. Parents should not be afraid to come forward to find/help/save their child(s).

No one should be afraid to come forward, that's true. It also sounds like you're equating "Hispanic" with not being a US Citizen. That's quite an assumption.

You lack reading comprehension. The idea is to stop immigration enforcement actions in Uvalde so immigrants won't be afraid to come forward.

Oh, so you're on the "they're all illegals!" right-wing bandwagon like Gracie implied?

Uvalde is like 90% Meskin and always has been. It's Sw Texas for ----- sake.
Exactly. Emphasize this always has been

So why do you keep calling them "meskin" when they've been here longer than your tribe?

looks like ya'll screwed up when reading gracie's post.

Yeah? Not so much from what I read.

#270 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-25 08:12 AM | Reply

I remember when you used to have to go through a questionable arms dealer to get outfitted like this kid was.

#271 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-25 08:14 AM | Reply

Wow, lots of money, blood money going to the GOP:

NRA Contributions to GOP Senators

Thread

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#272 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-25 08:26 AM | Reply

#271 You truly are a ------- idiot. That is what the DEMOCRAT politician said and I agreed with her.

#273 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2022-05-25 08:31 AM | Reply

"Gun fetishism is a mental illness."

It truly is:

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#274 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-25 08:34 AM | Reply

Shut up Lamp...
Your questions are stupid.

#194 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2022-05-24 09:41 PM | REPLY

Way beyond your intellectual capabilities ehhhhhhhhhh?? Not surprising in the least.

#275 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-25 08:41 AM | Reply

#271 You truly are a ------- idiot. That is what the DEMOCRAT politician said and I agreed with her.

Name the Democrat and let me see what was actually said. A racist telling me what they heard isn't going to cut it. Especially when you were being clear that you think that because Uvalde is hispanic that that must mean they aren't US Citizens. They've been here in that part of the United States longer than we've been here.

#276 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-25 08:47 AM | Reply

"She was asking for a moratorium on immigration status for the next 30 days in Uvalde."

Yav, I couldn't find the quote but I think the point being made is that some of the victims' families may have undocumented immigrants in them, so the call is to suspend checking on immigration status in Uvalde for 30 days. Something like that anyway is my guess.

#277 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-25 08:55 AM | Reply

#276 Normally I don't respond to checkboxes like you. But in this case I could not resist. The liberal that said it was Juliette Keyyam. The first hit that came up was Tucker Carlson so I watched her say just now versus listening to the sound bite last night on the radio. Start at the 17.00 mark. www.youtube.com

#278 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2022-05-25 09:08 AM | Reply

We have an easy access to guns problem in this country. Hell Ronald Reagan was for strict gun control laws. The Right Wing today wants a free for all society and they could care less about how many children are slaughtered to get that done.

#279 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-25 09:11 AM | Reply

The killer went into one classroom and barricaded the door. All the victims were in that. classroom:

UVALDE, T.X. (@CNN) " All the victims in the Uvalde school shooting have been removed, identified and their families have been notified, Texas Department of Public Safety spokesperson Chris Olivarez told CNN, adding that all the injuries and fatalities took place in one classroom.

#280 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-25 09:16 AM | Reply

"The liberal that said it was Juliette Keyyam."

FYI Gracie, Juliette Kayyem is not "a democrat politician" as you claimed upthread:

twitter.com

Well it happened. I agreed with a democrat politician. I wish I could remember her name. I was listening to her sound bite on the radio on the way home.
#230 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED AT 2022-05-24 10:52 PM

#281 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-25 09:25 AM | Reply

Gal, I don't disagree that that could be the case, but I also would not have jumped to that and put in the reason because Uvalde is 80% hispanic. Why bring it up now and not in every other school shooting? Like Parkland?

Gracie, thanks for providing the name. Juliette Keyyam has some very bizarre views, IMHO, and some interesting ties. Unsavory to me. And Tucker Carlson? He's a massive racist POS and scum that routinely lies. However I will agree with HER sentiment on this, but not her assumption:

"Uvalde is over 80% Hispanic, with large immigrant community. I do not know any motives, just demographics. One thing needs to be made clear by feds: no immigration enforcement, no questions asked, safe harbor, get your kids, do not hide, etc. Now."

The truth is that should always be the policy no matter where a mass shooting happens. That it was brought up in this instance and not in Parkland, not in Sandy Hook, not in Las Vegas, not in El Paso, all based on "demographics" is racial sterotyping no matter what party someone's in.

Had she said "based on the known number of people in Uvalde that are undocumented" it would have been based on a reason, not because, as Mao says, they're all "meskin."

twitter.com

#282 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-25 09:39 AM | Reply

Everyday citizens have done nothing to warrant confiscating weapons or undue "control".

#69 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2022-05-24 07:07 PM

Everyday citizens don't hijack planes. But we all take off our shoes and belts, and get searched and probed before boarding.

Everyday citizens don't hit and run. But we're all mandated to register and insure our vehicles.

Just a couple of examples of everyday things done by everyday people to make the community a little safer.

#283 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-25 09:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Unrecongnized Newsworthy.

#284 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-25 09:54 AM | Reply

Kayyem made those comments earlier in the day when I don't think the identity of the shooter was known. When someone on twitter called her out for them:

OK the Uvalde shooter was confirmed as 18-year-old Salvador Ramos. CNN withholding the name after disgustingly @JakeTapper and @JulietteKayyem immediately assumed it was a white supremacist because everyone politicized this immediately.

she responded:

This is not true. I said I don't do motives now. I don't know. But I know demographics and it is a large immigrant community; family notification is ongoing. I want the WH to say explicitly no immigration enforcement for the time being. Do not go there with me now. This is sick.

twitter.com

Tucker that evening characterized her as "a filthy person" for her comments. Wow, crazy, political and over the top but par for the course for Tucker, I guess.

#285 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-25 09:55 AM | Reply

"The truth is that should always be the policy no matter where a mass shooting happens. That it was brought up in this instance and not in Parkland, not in Sandy Hook, not in Las Vegas, not in El Paso, all based on "demographics" is racial sterotyping no matter what party someone's in."

Absolutely true, but I think, respectfully, you are misreading and overreacting to her original comment. I am not overly familiar with Kayyem, but I have seen her on TV from time to time in the past and did quote from her in #203 above. My 2 cents.

#286 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-25 10:02 AM | Reply

The guns didnt get up on their own and shoot people..

#44 | POSTED BY BOAZ

True. Also true that the shooter didn't kill 21 people with spitballs and a car antenna.

#287 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-25 10:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here's a segment between Tapper and Kayyem in which she talks about the WH needing to suspend immigration checks at the end:

Texas AG puts out statement after elementary school shooting

www.cnn.com

#288 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-25 10:36 AM | Reply

but I think, respectfully, you are misreading and overreacting to her original comment.

I'm taking issue with Gracie and Carlson's obvious use of it and the door she opened to those racists by couching this in "demographics."

As far as misreading and overreacting, agree to disagree.

#289 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-25 11:10 AM | Reply

Liberals are so disappointed the shooter was a Hispanic tranny, it's like getting socks for Christmas.

#290 | Posted by LEGALLYDORKY at 2022-05-25 11:14 AM | Reply

I'm disappointed there was another shooting and 19 little kids were ripped to shreds. I'm disappointed that scum like you that have no soul exist and post here.

#291 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-25 11:16 AM | Reply

Legallydorky can go fornicate himself with a rusty spoon...

...or play in traffic with semi's...

#292 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-05-25 11:31 AM | Reply

truly...human filth...

#293 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-05-25 11:32 AM | Reply

Maybe this is why gun nuts are also pro-life - increase the number of kids and it reduces the odds of YOUR kid getting killed in school.

#64 | POSTED BY HEEHAW

I think you're onto something. Making abortion illegal should increase the number of kids being born, therefore more potential targets for mass shootings, consequently less likelihood of any individual child being shot. It makes perfect sense now, it's just a probability equation.

#294 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-25 12:38 PM | Reply

I should have said Pro Birth - because once born kids are just potential targets. GOP ranking order - Pro Birth, Pro Gun, Pro Life. The right to live cant get in the way of gun ownership.

#295 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2022-05-25 12:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Reggie did all that trash talking and couldn't find a single credible source to support his claims.

I on the other hand found one debunking his garbage.

www.businessinsider.com

#296 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-25 01:19 PM | Reply

The right to live cant get in the way of gun ownership.

#295 | POSTED BY HEEHAW

Seems hypocritical to try and claim to be both pro-life and pro-gun.

Guns are made for one thing. Killing.

#297 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-25 02:04 PM | Reply

@Tor ... there's a reason why I didn't include links to those photos (bc it's clearly not him). The link I provided earlier IS indeed him and came from his IG account. Thanks for playing though.

#298 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-25 02:10 PM | Reply

Reggie I'm starting to think rather than just being confused you may be an rtard who thinks people won't notice when you're lying.

My source is credible unlike your blog.

#299 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-25 02:14 PM | Reply

@Tor your link is 100% not the shooter, the link I provided is the actual shooter in womens clothes. But yes the Biz Insider link is correct the photos from their report ISN'T the shooter. The photo I linked to IS him. What are you failing to understand from this?

#300 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-25 02:24 PM | Reply

LOL foxnews isn't supporting you.

#301 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-25 02:26 PM | Reply

What a $h*thole country we live in, whee the right to own weapons of mass slaughter is greater than the right to live without being killed by them indiscriminately.
...
The founding fathers are turning over in their graves.

#302 | Posted by e1g1 at 2022-05-25 02:26 PM | Reply

#295 | POSTED BY HEEHAW

I would also add Pro Death at the end, so it's Pro Birth (enriching CHI birthing centers), Pro Gun (enriching gun manufacturers and NRA), Pro Military (enriching MIC), and Pro Death Penalty (enriching PIC). The GOP Circle of Life

#303 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-25 02:39 PM | Reply

Didn't we just send $40 billion to Biden's Client State in Eastern Europe for some street theater "war"?

Imagine how many soft targets we could have hardened with that kind of money here in the states.

#304 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-25 02:46 PM | Reply

#297, #303 - both true..
As citizens of this country, we get to live in pretty much the biggest shooting range in the world.

#305 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2022-05-25 02:53 PM | Reply

It's a great country, problem is we're so nice we have a hard time locking up dangerously crazy people.

#306 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-25 03:31 PM | Reply

It's a great country, problem is we're so nice we have a hard time locking up dangerously crazy people.
#306 | POSTED BY TOR

The Retort would be empty if we did that.

#307 | Posted by LEGALLYDORKY at 2022-05-25 04:21 PM | Reply

LOL @ ------- Beto....

He just lost what little chance he had at being elected with that stunt.....lucky he didn't get his punk ass beat to a pulp

#308 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-25 04:22 PM | Reply

#304

Good point. Liberals hate the idea of making schools actually safe like damn near any other government building. It might take away their favorite past-time, games of political football played with the corpses of young kids.

#309 | Posted by LEGALLYDORKY at 2022-05-25 04:23 PM | Reply

Our mass shooting statistics would be alright if we removed the ytpepo from the stats.

#310 | Posted by fresno500 at 2022-05-25 04:30 PM | Reply

Liberals are so disappointed the shooter was a Hispanic tranny, it's like getting socks for Christmas.

#290 | POSTED BY LEGALLYDORKY

What kind of classless piece of ---- comes to this thread and makes jokes?

#311 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-25 04:38 PM | Reply

www.freep.com

Here you go, boaz. Take a look. Look into her eyes, see her face.

This is someone who died because your "culture" places its sense of self and masculinity in a firearm.

This is someone who your "pro-life" ass thinks is worth less than your ability to own a few more firearms.

You won't look. You don't care. Life is more meaningless to you than we can possibly imagine.

#312 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-25 04:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#290 was the truth.

#313 | Posted by LEGALLYDORKY at 2022-05-25 04:42 PM | Reply

What kind of classless piece of ---- comes to this thread and makes jokes?

The same kind of classless piece of ---- that, before the bodies even assume room temperature, starts flailing their limber little wrists in impotent fury because we can't ban tEh gUnZ fast enough.

---- off, Tiny Dancer.

God I ------- despise liberal -------

#314 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-05-25 04:45 PM | Reply

The only way most of the republicans will ever care is when they have to bury their own kids. Nothing else will shake them. It is a party based on greed. What more must be done for Americans to realize we need to separate. I want to live in a country where sensible gun laws exist.

#315 | Posted by byrdman at 2022-05-25 04:45 PM | Reply

lucky he didn't get his punk ass beat to a pulp

#308 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

Awww look frat douche is angry.

#316 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-25 04:46 PM | Reply

The statstics of the rest of the world
are against your rant Dorky...

Japan, high capacity firearms outlawed,
except for police and mitary use, very
little gun violence, practically zero
compared to America...

Australia, outlawed high capacity firearms
after the worst shooting on their history,
very little gun violence now...

Indeed, the list goes on and on...

Here, facts... You know, the opposite
of what you shovel...

en.m.wikipedia.org

#317 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-05-25 04:47 PM | Reply

I'll even help you out...
go to Charts & Graphs...

will keep it simple for you.

#318 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-05-25 04:49 PM | Reply

---- off, Tiny Dancer.
God I ------- despise liberal -------

#314 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

I never said anything about a ban you ------- idiot.

I've always argued against "assault weapons" bans.

But it takes a real low life piece of ---- (ie yourself) to begin chirping about gun bans and how you'll never take 'em before they've even identified the bodies.

----, you worthless sacks of ---- can't even show enough class to keep your dirt star mouths shut until after the funerals.

But yea, it's the "liberal -------" with the "limber little wrists" that are throwing the tizzy.

BTW you emasculated prolapsed rectum of a person, throwing out nothing but laughable stereotypical "insults" only proves what a pathetic, worthless, classless pile of ---- you are.

#319 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-25 04:50 PM | Reply

#309 | POSTED BY LEGALLYDORKY

"Making schools actually safe"

In your perspective, what does that entail?

#320 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-05-25 04:51 PM | Reply

Pinche Mao talks all tough but LOL did you ever see the picture of that scrawny maggot? Stiff breeze would blow him over. 145 soaking wet.

#321 | Posted by byrdman at 2022-05-25 04:56 PM | Reply

Why doesn't that surprise me.

#322 | Posted by jpw at 2022-05-25 04:59 PM | Reply

A message to all those "liberal -------"...

www.youtube.com

#323 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-05-25 04:59 PM | Reply

Pinche Mao talks all tough but LOL did you ever see the picture of that scrawny maggot? Stiff breeze would blow him over. 145 soaking wet.

POSTED BY BYRDMAN AT 2022-05-25 04:56 PM | REPLY

You don't work in feedlots if you're weak. Just saying.

#324 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-25 05:00 PM | Reply

Sounds like the border patrol pigs are negligent at best and complicit at worst. They let the maga-inspired shooter terrorize the school for over an hour before doing anything. All that after letting him run in freely.

Cops let 1/6 happen. Cops murder citizens in open daylight. Cops aid mass shooters.

---- all cops.

#325 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2022-05-25 05:04 PM | Reply

Imagine how many soft targets we could have hardened with that kind of money here in the states.
#304 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

What did you have in mind, government issue body armor as part of the school dress code?

Militarization of the schools, what's not to love!

#326 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-25 05:07 PM | Reply

God I ------- despise liberal -------

#314 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

Good good! Let the hate flow through you. Let the darkness consume you.

That's the republican hate we all now know. Let it out!

The hate that was displayed on Jan 6th. The hate that manifests itself in these mass shootings of the Other and the hate that kills innocent children.

Yes yes. Show us your true self and the republican hate of the Other.

Like we didn't already know.

#327 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-25 05:20 PM | Reply

God I ------- despise liberal -------
#314 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

Funny, your -------- has the complete opposite opinion!

#328 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-25 05:40 PM | Reply

God I ------- despise liberal -------
#314 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

Mao is like tens of millions of other Republican men.

Fondling their guns at night is the only thing that makes them feel like real men.

These are the same guys who blow other men but call themselves straight. They go around calling people Beta Cucks, -------, or limp wristed while watching lady boy porn and fantasizing about being pegged. They are literally one trip to Victoria Secret away from dressing up in lingerie and googling where the nearest---------- is.

And for all the bravado about how these whiny little Incels would survive the fall of civilization with their guns, they were out crying about not being able to golf or get a haircut one month into lockdown. The closest thing these losers have come to hunting their own food is ordering chicken nuggets at a drive thru.

You take away their guns and they'll have nothing left to cry to when their wife comes home from her boyfriend's house. They'll be left jerking off to Road House and Fast & the Furious while posting memes on 4Chan about how tough they are.

So please, let Mao have his gun. Pretending he is capable of being a badass with a gun is the only thing to comfort him after he wets the bed for the third time this week.

#329 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-05-25 06:11 PM | Reply

These little ------- have never been, and will never be men.

#330 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-05-25 06:28 PM | Reply

I agree. Folks like Mao will never be men.

Little hateful boys playing with their little hateful toys.

#331 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-25 08:02 PM | Reply

Did both the border patrol agents get shot trying to defend the school?

#332 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-25 09:10 PM | Reply

Did both the border patrol agents get shot trying to defend the school?

#333 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-25 09:10 PM | Reply

"Did both the border patrol agents get shot trying to defend the school?"

I doubt they were trying to defend the school. Not a lot of data points here, but the Resource Officer in Parkland sure wasn't.

All the video and photographic evidence needs to be released to the public.

People need to see.

Why won't our liberal media let us see?

#334 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-25 09:16 PM | Reply

Per Wikipedia the campus cop got shot first and one of the border patrol agents got shot second.

Texas definitely needs better gun control though.

#335 | Posted by Tor at 2022-05-25 09:31 PM | Reply

Police timeline of Texas shooting has holes

www.vice.com

#336 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-25 10:02 PM | Reply

"Prohibition werks!"
- Dems

#337 | Posted by LEGALLYDORKY at 2022-05-26 01:09 AM | Reply

Trolls don't.

#338 | Posted by Corky at 2022-05-26 01:45 AM | Reply

You generally want to let the bodies stop twitching before you politicize ---- like this.

But they don't stop twitching. At least not for long. By the time these dead kids are buried we'll have at least one more mass shooting.

We haven't even buried all the grocery store shoppers massacred by the rightwing racist terrorist in Buffalo yet.

The problem is that these greedy corrupt republicraps have all their kids and grandkids in private schools where they are safer than at poorly funded public schools. They have no need for concern over this.

Even if one of their crotch fruit was massacred so violently they had to use DNA to identify the pool of goo left behind I am 1000% positive they would still sell out their conscience for NRA cash in a heartbeat.

#339 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-05-26 08:39 AM | Reply

It is no coincidence that the people clinging so tightly to their guns are the same ones that are ok with insurrectionists trying to stage a coup on Jan 6, 2021; the same ones that are antagonistic towards Blacks, Hispanics and other marginalized groups. They are afraid of their loss of privilege; their loss of status and they feel that they need those guns to protect them from the tyranny of previously marginalized groups.

#340 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2022-05-26 10:47 AM | Reply

Wow. RCADE, is this what you are letting post on this site now?

You are complaining about getting a harsh response after telling a commenter you would beat their ass?

#341 | Posted by rcade at 2022-05-26 11:29 AM | Reply

The Good Guy with a Gun theory isn't working out so great. Even cops won't storm a building to confront a mass shooter if they think they facing someone with armor and stronger guns.

The videos of parents outside the elementary school pleading with cops to go inside are heartbreaking.

How many cops were outside when kids were still being killed?

#342 | Posted by rcade at 2022-05-26 11:39 AM | Reply

"The Good Guy with a Gun theory isn't working out so great."

What do you mean, it worked perfectly! The Good Guy bravely used a child to flush out the shooter, then he used his Gun.

"When the cops came, the cop said: Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said, help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her," the student said. "The cop barged into that classroom. The guy shot at the cop. And the cops started shooting."
dailycaller.com

#343 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-26 11:59 AM | Reply

#339 | POSTED BY NIXON

I know, right? Their solution is more security at schools. More cops. Barricades. Armor.

Not that it's the primary point, but do they even have any idea what all that costs and entails? What's next, machine gun posts? Landmines? Where does it stop?

Do we need to do something about the crazies? Of course. But until we come up with Minority Report level technology, how do we ID them? There will always be crazies. But a crazy with an axe is easier to stop than a crazy with an AR and body armor. Even if the crazy has a pump shotgun or a bolt action rifle it's a different equation.

#344 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-26 12:01 PM | Reply

You know Boaz. For someone who claims to be an all around tough guy you sure do whine a lot. I mean really a lot.

#345 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-05-26 12:01 PM | Reply

That's all he does.

Complains about shht that never affects him.

Ever.

He's a miserable SOB and I feel sorry for his family.

#346 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-26 12:03 PM | Reply

@343

If that story turns out to be true that is some heinous policing.

#347 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-26 12:05 PM | Reply

I'm not saying it was part of the thought process, just wondering out loud.

I wonder if the 2nd guessing nature our society has adopted more and more factored into the thought process of whether or not to enter the school? Had they, and it led to a larger firefight that it was discovered led to more kids being hurt, what would the narrative then been? The whole thing sucks.

#348 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2022-05-26 12:07 PM | Reply

I'm not saying it was part of the thought process, just wondering out loud.
I wonder if the 2nd guessing nature our society has adopted more and more factored into the thought process of whether or not to enter the school? Had they, and it led to a larger firefight that it was discovered led to more kids being hurt, what would the narrative then been? The whole thing sucks.

#348 | POSTED BY KWRX25

Which stems from the fact that our country refuses to do anything about the problem. One side clings to guns with all of their might. the only solution they offer is to escalate the problem-more guns. It is madness. It is also based on fear-there is no rational discussion that can be had with them. They are fearful so their solution is to arm themselves-not realizing that only makes things worse.

#349 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-26 12:12 PM | Reply

349. You're digging too deep into the gun issue in relation to my comment. What I'm asking about is a wider concern. Seemingly if police do X the question is why didn't they do Y? A lot of it self earned, some of it irrational expectations. Ultimately we are in a position where the police have to be second guessing a lot of their decisions as they are making them now.

I'll offer if they had gone in and killed the perp early on, the headlines probably could have read "Police cause firefight inside of school, 24 dead including a hispanic man". Follow on article reads: Local Latinx leaders are questioning if police acted too hastily when shooting a hispanic man...

#350 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2022-05-26 12:47 PM | Reply

What's more likely -- that the cops were worried about bad press, or that they were worried about getting shot?

They didn't know by waiting that they would avoid a bad headline about causing a firefight.

They did know by waiting that they lowered their odds of getting shot.

#351 | Posted by rcade at 2022-05-26 12:59 PM | Reply

"I wonder if the 2nd guessing nature our society has adopted more and more factored into the thought process of whether or not to enter the school?"

I see it wasn't enough to blame "the decline of society" for the shooter.

Now you're blaming society for the cops too.

#352 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-26 01:03 PM | Reply

Rcade, of course they couldn't know what the 2nd guess would be comprised of, but you really think that being 2nd guessed in general couldn't have entered the thought process? Only physical self preservation was on their mind? That seems overly cynical about a profession that while laundry listed above for times that were not shining has also displayed on more occasions than not a selfless behavior. I'm not saying that this isn't one of those 'not' moments either. I'm just surprised at how quickly you remove other options and land squarely on all police are cowards.

#353 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2022-05-26 01:07 PM | Reply

Yes Snoofy. When things happen, I like to unpack them a bit and try to figure out what may have led to peoples actions and decisions.

It's quite helpful in getting to reasons and solutions. Now after enough conversations with you I know you find it easier to just assign motives and points of view to others. It really helps you to then argue against them. The thing is it just leads to self congratulatory outcomes and no real progress.

Also, I actually didn't blame anyone. I asked if perhaps that entered into their thought process. If it did, then that isn't good, and we need to figure out society's problem, the polices problem, and or both.

Blame actually doesn't do much of helping the situation other than feeling like we've accomplished something in the moment when we really haven't

#354 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2022-05-26 01:13 PM | Reply

Only physical self preservation was on their mind?

I think when cops refuse to confront a mass shooter inside a school, it's about self-preservation. Especially if the cops aren't in body armor and only have handguns.

The Republicans running Texas proclaim that more guns means more safety, but how can we expect armed citizens to take down a mass shooter if we allow armed and trained cops to be unwilling to do it?

#355 | Posted by rcade at 2022-05-26 01:22 PM | Reply

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