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Wednesday, May 25, 2022

Tuesday's school shooting at Robb Elementary School, which killed at least 19 children and two adults, came months after Republicans in Texas made it easier to buy and carry guns in the state.

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Totally pathetic story. Less than 24 hours after the killing of innocent children writers like this totally politicize the killing. It just shows how shallow someone can get. They don't even care about the deaths.

#1 | Posted by fishpaw at 2022-05-25 09:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Click bait headline. The law change, which was dumb, was for permitless concealed carry for those over 21. Purchase requirements didn't change.

#2 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-25 09:55 AM | Reply

But they have certainly not done anything to prevent shootins in schools, Cuz their ownrs won't let them. -------- all! They have blood on their hands.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2022-05-25 10:41 AM | Reply

The article is pure garbage. To legally purchase a gun, you must first pass a background check. Allowing someone to conceal/carry the legally purchased firearm has nothing to do with easing purchasing laws.

My MSN article is vaporized in minutes of posting but this garbage stands.

#4 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-05-25 10:44 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"To legally purchase a gun, you must first pass a background check."

Not always. There's the gun show loophole. There's private party sales.

And you technically don't have to pass the background check. You just have to not fail it. If the check never comes back, eventually you can make the purchase.

(Also, that system passed several buyers who later went on to kill and we are told the system should not have passed them.)

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-25 10:48 AM | Reply

www.houstonpublicmedia.org

House Bill 918: Makes young adults between the ages of 18-20 eligible for a license to carry a handgun if they are protected under certain court orders related to family violence.

So, while the article linked doesn't accurately reflect the reality of the situation, the headline of the thread is actually correct

Some interesting ones:

House Bill 2622: Known as the "Second Amendment Sanctuary State Act," it prohibits state agencies and local governments from enforcing new federal gun rules.
AKA the ain't gonna pass constitutional muster law

House Bill 1387: Allows certain foster homes to store guns and ammunition together in the same locked location, rather than requiring the items to be stored separately.
AKA give a troubled youth a gun law

Senate Bill 19: Prohibits government entities from contracting with businesses that "discriminate against the firearm or ammunition industries."
LOL

Senate Bill 168: Requires schools to use best practices when conducting active shooter drills, so they're less harmful to students' mental health and wellbeing; went into effect immediately.
ROFLMAO

#6 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-05-25 10:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's the gun show loophole. There's private party sales.

#5 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-05-25 10:48 AM | FLAG:

Those two things are the same thing and the gun shows here require you to have an FFL to be a firearm vendor.

#7 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-25 10:55 AM | Reply

"Those two things are the same thing"

Not when the private sale is not taking place at a gun show.

"the gun shows here require you to have an FFL"

Is that the same thing as a required background check?

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-25 10:57 AM | Reply

the headline of the thread is actually correct

#6 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2022-05-25 10:55 AM | FLAG:

It's not. Purchase requirements did not change.

Running around with it after it's been purchased got much easier.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-25 10:57 AM | Reply

Not when the private sale is not taking place at a gun show.

Is that the same thing as a required background check?

#8 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-05-25 10:57 AM | FLAG:

Just stop. Empty your brain and start over on how this all works.

The gun show is 100% irrelevant. The rules don't change in one. A private party transaction is a private party transaction no matter where you are standing and those do not require a check. The gun show has nothing to do with it, at all.

Separately, vendors at shows here, are required by the people that run them (and their insurance provider), that all vendors selling firearms in the show have a Federal Firearms License. You apply for that through the ATF here: www.atf.gov

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-25 10:59 AM | Reply

#5

1. Explain how republicans from Texas made it easier to purchase guns "months before elementary school slaughter"

2. Yes, background checks work - until they don't just ask Dillon Roof.

3. Private sales can present a problem but can you show the numbers of these mass shootings that are directly linked to "gun show loopholes" or "private sales"?

"(Also, that system passed several buyers who later went on to kill and we are told the system should not have passed them.)"

THey didn't pass anything, they were not flagged as "do not sell" and because someone didn't do their job, people were killed.

I'm for safe sale and use of firearms but if we're not going to enforce the laws we already have, there no reason to pass more legislation.

#11 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-05-25 10:59 AM | Reply

The ease of purchasing a firearm has not changed. The headline is wrong and the article quotes the actual law that changed, which has nothing to do with purchasing. It's a post-purchase law about concealed carry. They took a great system and said, ---- it, nobody needs it. That's working out as well as expected...

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-25 11:00 AM | Reply

"In September, the state allowed anyone aged over 21 to carry a handgun without a permit or training."

Background on the September law:

Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott on Wednesday signed the permitless carry bill into law.

House Bill 1927 eliminates the requirement for Texas residents to obtain a license to carry handguns if they're not prohibited by state or federal law from possessing a gun. The signing was reported by the Texas Legislature's official website, which tracks the progress of legislation. Abbott's office has announced a ceremonial signing of the bill and other gun-related legislation at 11 a.m. Thursday.

A solid majority of Texas voters don't think permitless carry should be allowed, according to an April University of Texas/Texas Tribune Poll.

Before the permitless carry law was signed, Texans generally needed to be licensed to carry handguns openly or concealed. Applicants had to submit fingerprints, complete four to six hours of training, and pass a written exam and a shooting proficiency test. Texas does not require a license to openly carry a rifle in public.


www.texastribune.org

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-05-25 11:00 AM | Reply

"3. Private sales can present a problem but can you show the numbers of these mass shootings that are directly linked to "gun show loopholes" or "private sales"?"

No, what's the number?

Columbine and San Bernadino shooters obtained weapons without background checks, if I recall correctly.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-25 11:08 AM | Reply

"THey didn't pass anything, they were not flagged as "do not sell" and because someone didn't do their job, people were killed."

LOL.

They absolutely passed.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-25 11:08 AM | Reply

Here's a dumb thing. In Texas you must be 21 or older to purchase a handgun from a licensed dealer but no such restriction requirement exists for non-licensed sales.

#16 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-05-25 11:09 AM | Reply

I'm for safe sale and use of firearms but if we're not going to enforce the laws we already have, there no reason to pass more legislation.
#11 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Are you feebleminded?
The laws we have don't work.
They should be replaced with laws that do work.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-25 11:10 AM | Reply

The laws we have don't work.
They should be replaced with laws that do work.

#17 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-05-25 11:10 AM | REPLY |

ok special-ed... You still haven't acknowledged the part where we aren't enforcing what laws we have.

#18 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-05-25 11:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"A private party transaction is a private party transaction no matter where you are standing and those do not require a check. The gun show has nothing to do with it, at all."

When a purchase is made at a gun show, there's a background check?

Yes or no.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-25 11:12 AM | Reply

"THey didn't pass anything, they were not flagged as "do not sell" and because someone didn't do their job, people were killed."
LOL.
They absolutely passed.

#15 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-05-25 11:08 AM

Why did they pass when it was well known that they weren't mentally stable enough to own a firearm? Even the authorities knew this.

Garbage article and your garbage comments = trash pile.

#20 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-05-25 11:13 AM | Reply

You still haven't acknowledged the part where we aren't enforcing what laws we have.
#18 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

When the law can't or won't be enforced, the thing to do is to replace it with a law that can be enforced.

What specific law do you have in mind, that isn't being enforced.

And why isn't law enforcement enforcing it?

Thanks.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-25 11:14 AM | Reply

"Empty your brain and start over on how this all works."

That was already a thing before your comment.

#22 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-05-25 11:14 AM | Reply

"Why did they pass when it was well known that they weren't mentally stable enough to own a firearm?"

Was it well known to NICS?
If so, then NICS failed.
If not, then NICS also failed.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-25 11:15 AM | Reply

When a purchase is made at a gun show, there's a background check?

#19 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-05-25 11:12 AM | REPLY

From the vendors, yes. There is a BG check.

The idea that background checks are magically suspended because the vendor is sitting at a table in a convention hall is silly at best.

#24 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-25 11:18 AM | Reply

"From the vendors, yes."

The way you answered the question suggests transactions that are non-vendor-involved may also be taking place.

Is that accurate?

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-25 11:21 AM | Reply

Still waiting to hear which laws aren't being enforced... presumably laws that would have prevented the Massacre Du Jour...

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-25 11:24 AM | Reply

"To legally purchase a gun, you must first pass a background check."
Not always. There's the gun show loophole. There's private party sales.
And you technically don't have to pass the background check. You just have to not fail it. If the check never comes back, eventually you can make the purchase.
(Also, that system passed several buyers who later went on to kill and we are told the system should not have passed them.)

#5 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-05-25 10:48 AM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Is that what they do in Chicago.

#27 | Posted by fishpaw at 2022-05-25 11:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But they have certainly not done anything to prevent shootins in schools, Cuz their ownrs won't let them. -------- all! They have blood on their hands.

#3 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2022-05-25 10:41 AM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

I just heard that the shooter did it because he felt he had no future under Biden's leadership.

#28 | Posted by fishpaw at 2022-05-25 11:29 AM | Reply

Of course you did, but are you sure you want to be politicizing this? Isn't it too soon?

#29 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-25 11:32 AM | Reply

"Separately, vendors at shows here, are required by the people that run them (and their insurance provider)"

^
Not a legal requirement.
So this can't be the mysterious Law That Is Not Being Enforced.

I can't wait to find out what this law is, who is supposed to be enforcing it, and what is being done about the Law Enforcement agencies who refuse to enforce them!

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-25 11:38 AM | Reply

#25 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-05-25 11:21 AM | FLAG:

Private party transactions take place everywhere, sometimes at gun shows, if that particular show allows it. If you are hunting for a "loop hole" it's not there. It's just private sales and their existing regulation under state law.

Also part of the rules, if I'm an FFL dealer I have to run a background check on you as a private seller to buy a firearm from you. Unless that's changed in the last 15 years. I haven't unloaded a historic firearm in awhile.

#31 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-25 11:45 AM | Reply

and "Laws not being enforced!"

yeah... which? It's usually rural Sheriffs screaming that they won't enforce any Federal firearm laws.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-25 11:49 AM | Reply

"If you are hunting for a "loop hole" it's not there."

Huh?
The loop hole == no background check required.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-25 12:06 PM | Reply

There is no "registry" for mental illness. The ACLU will never allow that to happen. So all the buyer has to do is check "NO" to this question. "Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?" and they can buy a gun. Until we start keeping better track of people with the types of mental illnesses that make them a danger to society, all this background check legislation is pointless.

#34 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-05-25 01:04 PM | Reply

The loop hole == no background check required.

#33 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-05-25 12:06 PM | FLAG:

That's not a loophole. It's by design.

faq.sll.texas.gov

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-25 01:07 PM | Reply

presumably laws that would have prevented the Massacre Du Jour...

I'm sure there's a law that said you cant enter a school with a weapon. I wonder why the shooter didnt obey THAT law?

#36 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-25 02:32 PM | Reply

That's not a loophole.
#35 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Interesting.
You might want to see what Sitzkrieg had to say about that:

There's the gun show loophole. There's private party sales.
#5 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Those two things are the same thing
#7 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-25 02:36 PM | Reply

"I'm sure there's a law that said you cant enter a school with a weapon. I wonder why the shooter didnt obey THAT law?"

It's not the shooter's job to enforce the law.
So, the question you should be asking is, why wasn't that law enforced?

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-25 02:40 PM | Reply

I'm sure there's a law that said you cant enter a school with a weapon. I wonder why the shooter didnt obey THAT law?

#36 | Posted by boaz

Because criminals dont obey laws. Which is why you have to keep them from having access to weapons of mass destruction.

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-05-25 03:17 PM | Reply

It's not the shooter's job to enforce the law.

so then, you agree we need police in schools to enforce the law?

#40 | Posted by boaz at 2022-05-25 03:17 PM | Reply

#24 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

#33 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

It's not required by law in my state. But every show I've been to requires BG to purchase. One wouldn't even let people in without scanning your DL or CCP. I imagine it's an insurance or liability issue at the very least.

Last fall I made a purchase through a local FFL dealer, and yes, BG was required.

Where the 'loophole' is, if you want to call it that, is private party purchases. Sitzkrieg posts an ad selling a firearm I want, I go to Sitzkrieg's home and purchase his firearm for cash, I take it home, no background check required by law.

#41 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-05-25 04:17 PM | Reply

...aaaaaand here's the piece of news
that the nation needs to hear...

you reap what you sow...

#42 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-05-25 07:10 PM | Reply

#37 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-05-25 02:36 PM | FLAG:

Colloquialism. Learn to love it. People say "Gun show loophole". Problem is, no loophole. Just Private Sale Doctrine that is state dependent.

#43 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-25 07:47 PM | Reply

so then, you agree we need police in schools to enforce the law?

You had that here at this school. In fact the Uvalde ISD has four officers.
Do you know how many were shot?
Do you know that the shooter was shot and not stopped?
Do you know why he attacked at the time he did?

I'm wondering how much you actually know about what happened.

#44 | Posted by YAV at 2022-05-25 10:14 PM | Reply

#44

Turns Out the 'Good Guy with a Gun' Doesn't Stand a Chance

Cops didn't arrive on the scene in response to the shooting. A spokesman from the Texas Department of Public Safety told CNN that three police officers exchanged gunfire with the shooter as he was trying to storm the school. The first was a police officer from the school district police force. Then two more officers from the local police department also exchanged gunfire with the gunman. So the shooter successfully stormed the school even though three separate armed police officers tried to stop him.

This is similar to what happened in Buffalo. At that shooting massacre a retired cop working as private security guard at the supermarket exchanged gunfire with the assailant during his rampage. But the shooter was wearing body armor. With that protection he was able to return fire and kill the retired officer.


#45 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-05-25 10:21 PM | Reply

Again ... let's start packing the abandoned state facilities with these mental teenagers. The ACLU hasn't cared about actual civil liberties since the Bush years so it shouldn't be too hard to steam roll them on making this happen.

#46 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-26 01:57 AM | Reply

"let's start packing..."

Pull your head out of your ass. The answer is NOT more incarceration, moron.

#47 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-05-26 02:04 AM | Reply

@Rusty ohhh it most certainly is the answer friend. It most certainly is. Get them off the streets and into mental institutions. Our ancestors had it right. Lock them away so they aren't society's problem and incidents like yesterday and Buffalo won't be happening.

#48 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-26 02:20 AM | Reply

I'm wondering how much you actually know about what happened.
#44 | POSTED BY YAV

Based on his posts? Nothing.

#49 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-26 03:19 AM | Reply

Pull your head out of your ass.

Good luck.

That troll is only here for the attention.

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-05-26 03:21 AM | Reply

"Lock them away so they aren't society's problem and incidents like yesterday and Buffalo won't be happening."

Seriously?

How do you know who you're supposed to lock away?

Unless you're The Shadow, how can you know what's in the hearts and minds of men?

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-05-26 10:11 AM | Reply

@Snoofy let's start with the people who post online manifestos, the ones who harm animals. Every community of people has at least one and everyone knows who it is.

#52 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-26 10:16 AM | Reply

the ones who harm animals. Every community of people has at least one and everyone knows who it is.

#52 | POSTED BY REGINALD AT 2022-05-26 10:16 AM | FLAG:

Uvalde is a rural hunting mecca for white tail deer. You just flagged half the kids in the city.

#53 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-26 10:30 AM | Reply

@Sitzkreig do you have brain damage? You know damn well I was referring to dogs and cats.

#54 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-05-26 11:35 AM | Reply

I'm for safe sale and use of firearms but if we're not going to enforce the laws we already have, there no reason to pass more legislation.
#11 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Gotta love this twisted Trumptilians attempt at logic.

So the laws we have don't work so there is no reason to pass more laws!

Brilliant!!

Even Steve Bannon would proud of your attempts to "flood the zone" with BS.

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-05-26 02:49 PM | Reply

You know damn well I was referring to dogs and cats.

#54 | POSTED BY REGINALD AT 2022-05-26 11:35 AM | FLAG:

No I don't. People link all kinds of things to shootings. When I was in college and Columbine hit, it was kids who played the video game Doom.

#56 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-05-26 03:12 PM | Reply

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