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...In 2020, while the US grappled with the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic, the country was experiencing another crisis: Gun violence became the top cause of death among young Americans.

Since the year prior, the rate of firearms-related deaths among American youths under 20 years old increased by 29.5 percent, which was twice as high as the relative increase of gun deaths among the US general population. Yet even with those alarming statistics on gun-related deaths among children, pro-gun rights lawmakers are calling to put more firearms in schools, as a remedy for the country's school shooting crisis.

The tragic mass shooting in Uvalde, Texas, last week renewed calls for stricter gun control legislation, after 19 children and two teachers were killed, and 17 others were injured in the attack.

But conservatives and gun lobbyists argue the only way to solve the country's epidemic of mass shootings is to put more guns in the hands of the public.

Some have even called for arming teachers and school staff with firearms of their own....


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-06-02 02:37 PM | Reply

Those same teachers they don't trust to teach about race or gender?

#2 | Posted by qcp at 2022-06-02 02:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pro-gun rights lawmakers want to arm Groomers.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-02 03:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Those same teachers they don't trust to teach about race or gender?

#2 | POSTED BY QCP

They want to arm groomers?

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2022-06-02 04:58 PM | Reply

NEW POLL: Majority of Americans Say Let Teachers Carry Guns " And Even Half of Democrats Want More Guns in Schools
www.mediaite.com

So Americans have no legal reasoning to expect police to protect their children from mass shooters, but they now have an expectation that teachers should?

Teachers can't even pay for all of the expenses to outfit their classrooms appropriately for their students to learn. Now their expected to purchase weapons and training? It's time. Just shut down the public school system. This is what the American people want, clearly. So give them what they want.

But then the fnckin' idiots will be demanding to know who it is that will babysit their children while the parents are at work? Hmmmmmmmmm. What a conundrum the American people have once again found themselves in.

Can't take them to school because police and teachers refuse to protect the children from mass shooters. Can't keep them at home because parents got to work and don't have the money to pay for child support. And the gun in the house sure as hell isn't going to teach their children arithmetic. What to do?! Oh sweet Jesus on high! WHAT TO DO?!?!?!??!

#5 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-06-02 05:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Silly Republicans, bringing guns to a High School debate.

#6 | Posted by Jaspar at 2022-06-02 07:43 PM | Reply

Maybe homeskooling is the answer.

#7 | Posted by Jaspar at 2022-06-02 07:45 PM | Reply

So they want to add an additional R to the three Rs?

Only positive I see is maybe there will be a lot less death threats to teachers from republicans on Facebook and Twitter parents.

#8 | Posted by memyselfini at 2022-06-02 08:27 PM | Reply

Why stop there? There's shootings in hospitals, backyard BBQ's, bars and department stores. Arm doctors, truck drivers, bartenders, doormen, post office delivery, UPS and Amazon drivers, baristas, food delivery, dog groomers, crackheads, horse jockeys, stand-up comedians, dentists. Mo' guns, mo' bettah.

#9 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-06-02 08:32 PM | Reply

Pro-gun Rights Lawmakers Want to Arm Teachers

absurdity

noun
noun: absurdity; plural noun: absurdities

the quality or state of being ridiculous or wildly unreasonable.

#10 | Posted by Angrydad at 2022-06-02 08:50 PM | Reply

That'll make the grooming easier

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-02 09:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Suburban soccer moms aren't likely to cotton to this idea, but will they care enough to let this issue determine their votes in November?

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-02 09:56 PM | Reply

can't trust teachers to pick books for kids but conservatives want them to be armed?

#13 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-06-03 05:32 AM | Reply

The teachers I know are already paying for school supplies out of their own pocket. Are they supposed to buy their own guns and ammo?

#14 | Posted by RJSquirrel at 2022-06-03 06:44 AM | Reply

Terrible Idea. I like the idea of more security at schools but teachers are there to teach not shoot the kids.

#15 | Posted by byrdman at 2022-06-03 06:58 AM | Reply

Awful idea. But for gun fetishists, a gun is always the answer.

#16 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-06-03 07:13 AM | Reply

So the entire trained and fully equipped police and law enforcement agencies wouldn't go in and confront the shooter in Uvalde but these numbnuts want to put this on the teachers?

#17 | Posted by YAV at 2022-06-03 07:26 AM | Reply

#18
Probably load it off to teachers' aides.

#18 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-06-03 07:35 AM | Reply

Have you seen this response?
abovethelaw.com

#19 | Posted by YAV at 2022-06-03 07:39 AM | Reply

#19
Gobsmacked

#20 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-06-03 07:41 AM | Reply

It's important to pay attention when people like those who posted the tweet from #19 tell you what they really think.

#21 | Posted by qcp at 2022-06-03 08:57 AM | Reply

It's not unique to him, either. He removed it, and then put up an explanation that was even worse, IMHO. The entire writeup from abovethelaw.com is here if you're interested:

abovethelaw.com

And if you want to see a congresscritter fondling his guns, there's this one:
www.c-span.org

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2022-06-03 09:04 AM | Reply

#22 Perfect example of one side outright admitting they are holding children hostage.

Somebody thought that observation, which serves to call one side "terrorists," had no place in a good faith discussion.

Well maybe the truth doesn't belong in a good faith discussion. Maybe that's one of those things you just don't say.

But it's true.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-03 09:35 AM | Reply

"Studies have also shown a direct correlation between the presence of guns and increased gun violence."

1. There is no such thing as "direct correlation," typical hyperbole

2. Correlation is not causation

#24 | Posted by Rumpelstiltskin at 2022-06-03 11:09 AM | Reply

The mental mindset which makes a good teacher, educator, nurturer of children; does not also equate to making one a steely eyed gunslinger. Think back to the 3rd grade, can you imagine your teacher slinging a piece and going Rambo? All these wannabe tough guys who think strapping on a pistol, AR or other weapon makes you a badass don't know the first thing about actually being in a fight. You have to be able to look at someone trying to kill you, ignore the possibility of getting hit or already being hit, and put effective fire on the bastard until his lights go out. I've seen trained soldiers and LEO's freeze up, piss themselves, or run away in those situations. And they think an elementary schoolteacher is going to become GI Jane just because we make her pack iron? More ignorant fantasies from the daydream cowboys.

#25 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-06-03 11:09 AM | Reply

#24

Stay in school, junior.

"Definitions of direct correlation
(noun) a correlation in which large values of one variable are associated with large values of the other and small with small; the correlation coefficient is between 0 and +1

synonyms:positive correlation"

www.vocabulary.com

#26 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-06-03 12:17 PM | Reply

They want to arm groomers?

#4 | POSTED BY ZED

No. I think that gun nuts want to groom teachers into becoming armed combatants.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-06-03 12:34 PM | Reply

So they actually want to groom the groomers.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-06-03 12:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here's the funniest thing. Police didn't respond fast enough in one of the school shootings. So people are outraged. Dems want to get rid of police, which means NOBODY will respond.

So, who is going to protect the children then?

It will be funny to read Liberals say the school shootings won't happen once police are gone. That will make my day. Please do. I need to laugh.

#29 | Posted by humtake at 2022-06-03 01:06 PM | Reply

When are schools going to provide all this training? How are they going to pay for it? How are they going to pay for all the weapons, ammo, and holsters? Are the weapons going to be standardized? Will a 5'2" 100lb 60 year old 1st grade teacher wield the same weaponry as a 6'2" 220 lb gym teacher? Are the two going to be issued the same holster and expected to carry in the same manner? Are they going to hire weapons instructors to do all the training, keep training and qualification records, periodically inspect the firearms? When are they going to schedule refresher training and firearms qualifications? So many questions. So many rwingers with a 'simple solution' who really don't know what all this would entail.

#30 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-06-03 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#30 ... When are schools going to provide all this training? ...

My questions start a bit earlier in the process.

For example, what is the benefit of arming teachers when the teachers themselves do not want to be armed? Once that question is answered, then your list of excellent questions can be answered.

Also, are we going to have police officers teach our children in the schools as the next step?

As a start, why not just have a police force that responds quickly and makes the correct decisions. A police force that does its job, and let the teachers do their job.

Longer term, how 'bout going after the root problem, and not the symptoms.


#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-06-03 02:35 PM | Reply

going after the root problem, and not the symptoms.

except you can't. Because every time you go after the root cause, the Russian-backed NRA-backed Republicans deflect blame, divert attention elsewhere, exaggerate unrelated causes, minimize the root cause, invent alternate facts, and proclaim all firearms as our God-given American Right.

#32 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-06-03 04:08 PM | Reply

"It will be funny to read Liberals say the school shootings won't happen once police are gone. "

^
Most school shootings have happened since we started putting police in schools.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-03 04:10 PM | Reply

Will Miss Periwinkle be able to choose her weapon? Revolver, semiauto ha dgun, tactical shotgun, AK47?

#34 | Posted by contrecoup at 2022-06-03 07:33 PM | Reply

#35 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2022-06-03 08:29 PM | Reply

italics off

#36 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2022-06-03 08:29 PM | Reply

Lets just cut to the chase and have proud boys run our public schools.

At least they're good at the maths.

/snark off

#37 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-06-04 06:22 AM | Reply

HORSTNGRABEN

"Lets just cut to the chase and have proud boys run our public schools."

Already in the works. Proud Boys are no longer a fringe group of domestic terrorist.

They are now in the full employment of the GOP, infiltrating county politics, state by state. They've already completed that mission in Mimia Dade County, Florida with the overate assistance from Governor DeSantis and they intend to roll across America with the same plan.

BTW, Governor DeSantis is now a blown GOP fascist. He's isn't even trying to hide it.

#38 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-06-04 08:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Local school districts are coming up short getting new and replacement teachers. University curricula are seeing fewer teachers being created. School shootings and COVID-19 are a perfect double-whammy. It's a hard rain a-gonna fall.

#39 | Posted by john47 at 2022-06-04 11:56 AM | Reply

That's going to get teachers displaying their guns during a school shooting killed by incoming cops, fog of war. More guns is a horrible idea. I hear somebody on the Reich is encouraging the hiring of thousands of military vets as armed security. You know who carries guns on military bases? Only the cops. Military members can be on the range all day, then they turn their weapons back in. They don't walk around military bases with their M-4 slung like some Meal Team Six member at Subway.

#40 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2022-06-04 01:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Arm The Groomers
--GOP

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-04 01:14 PM | Reply

Dems want to get rid of police, which means NOBODY will respond.

There's zero excuse to continue to make this dishonest assertion.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2022-06-04 01:21 PM | Reply

#30 | POSTED BY EL_BUSCADOR

Hell no. It's going to be another thing the teachers are expected to pay for with their meager salaries. Along with the paste, scissors, art supplies, pens, paper....

The other issue is how would this prevent a mass shooting event? It's highly unlikely the first room that's entered and fired upon is going to have the reaction necessary to prevent that classroom from being massacred, especially since the shooter will know to go for the teacher first.

So, in reality, what Repubs are proposing is we limit the losses to the first classroom. Call it sustenance for the Tree of Liberty.

#43 | Posted by jpw at 2022-06-04 01:24 PM | Reply

Why only the teachers?

We need to give all children guns.

No one will go on a shooting spree at public schools if all the kids are packing heat.

There are no possible downsides to this idea.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-06-04 01:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Arming teachers will get a lot of annoying little ----- shot, or students would be more polite.

How many accidental shootings per teacher are allowed per year?

#45 | Posted by bored at 2022-06-04 02:09 PM | Reply

How many guns are going to get stolen by proto ---------ers?

#46 | Posted by bored at 2022-06-04 02:10 PM | Reply

46 mostly stupid replies filled with hyperbolic idiocy.

let's see if wapo has more of the same....... ( no, they don't.)

Opinion
"Yes, it has come to this. It's time to arm teachers."

www.washingtonpost.com

#47 | Posted by Kempster at 2022-06-04 02:31 PM | Reply

"That opinion article sure changed my mind!"

Said no one, ever.

Thanks for your ... "contribution", Kummy.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-06-04 02:38 PM | Reply

#40 | POSTED BY _GUNSLINGER

Another key flaw in the plan. Assuming police respond as we want them to...

-911 dispatcher - "shots fired at Eastview Elementary. Unknown number and description of subjects. Caller states gunfire coming from the 1st grade classroom"
-2 officers enter the building, move as a team down the hallway, approach the first grade classroom.
-Teacher who has just successfully put down a school shooter steps into the hallway with gun in hand to look for additional shooters.
-Gee Wally, what happens next?

#49 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-06-04 04:43 PM | Reply

Stay homeschooled GOP children,
let the democratic children learn
gun free in their 'dangerous public
schiols'...

#50 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-06-04 04:49 PM | Reply

I do remember a nun in second grade that kept a big paddle displayed at the front of the room. Just a reminder of what she could do to us if we got out of line. Maybe updating that idea for current times, with an AR prominently displayed, would impress the brats. What could go wrong?

#51 | Posted by morris at 2022-06-04 06:50 PM | Reply

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