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Saturday, June 11, 2022

Michael Gerson: The Jan. 6 committee's riveting televised opening night might not have converted the pro-Trump revisionists, but it has left them without excuses. The evidence is overwhelming that a sitting president gathered a violent mob and charged it with intimidating members of Congress and his own vice president into illegally reversing the outcome of a presidential election on the basis of an obvious lie.

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There is only one narrative about Jan. 6 that history will accept: the evidence meticulously gathered and presented by the House select committee.

In some ways, pressing the case against former president Donald Trump is not hard, because he confirms its general outlines. He still seems to regard the riot as the highest expression of MAGA loyalty to his person. He still insists he should be reinstated as president. He still seems to believe then-Vice President Mike Pence was a weak-kneed traitor for refusing to overturn the constitutional order. Because Trump can't admit error, he often effectively admits guilt.

The response of congressional Republican leaders to Thursday's hearing - that it is more important to focus on inflation than sedition - has demonstrated their vast political and moral shallowness. The juxtaposition of testimony by U.S. Capitol Police officer Caroline Edwards ("I was slipping in people's blood") and a tweet from Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee account ("All. Old. News.") was telling.

One imagines a 20-something GOP staffer straining (and failing) to be clever. The contrast between the police officer's sacrifice and the tweeter's infantile partisanship raises some questions: Is anyone teaching young Republicans that public service can be honorable and costly? Why doesn't some mature public official shake these shills and urge silence in the presence of patriotic virtues they don't possess?

Every now and then Gershon sheds his reptilian predilections and articulates shining wisdom befitting of the moment. This is one of those moments. Read this. There is nary a single word that doesn't accurately damn those Republicans complicit in the Big Lie, and with it the unmistakably criminal intent of Trump to seize power he was not entitled to - solely to serve his own base desires and narcissism - with the good of this nation nowhere to be found in his machinations.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-06-11 05:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

History will show it didn't do anything ... Jan 6th will go down in history, this fiasco of a "committee" will go down as a Soviet Style Trial, a Hail Mary to stop the tidal wave that is coming, thanks to the ineptitude of the Democrats for selecting a feeble man, and his completely incompetent administration; Heck no one wants him to run in 2024. Instead we could have selected a younger (Buttigieg) or more capable candidate (Sanders).

There was an image of all the networks showing the same propaganda, I am sure you thought this was awesome! But in reality it made the US look like North Korea ..

But yeah go with the authoritarian Soviet Show Trial, that should win voters over rather than solving their problems and concerns ....

As a party we are toast.

#2 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-06-11 06:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Now if only we could interest Trumpers in the concept of, "evidence". Then move on to the idea of, "facts".

That might be too optimistic even for Churchill.

The entirety of professional journalism in the form of "the mainstream media" is in a conspiracy against them, according to Trumpers, who are playing the victims they have been told that they are; victims of immigrants, black people, women, gays, gun grabbers... and victims of the all the professional media except the nuttiest Q Narrative "news" sites.

These people don't look anywhere near being able to admit that they were lied to, and that they bet on a criminal for President. Their egos can't take it.

The Narrative they've been told is what matters, not the law and the Constitution.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2022-06-11 06:45 PM | Reply

#2

Not one word about the facts or the evidence in the case presented.

It's almost like this plonked poster is obfuscating for the crackpots... oh, well, come to think about it that makes sense.

(i have to remember to log in so i don't get eye bleed from the stupidity one can stumble on here)

It's almost like the Narrative is more important to so mediocre minds than is the rule of law.

When that happens, it only helps the Trumpers in the long run. Some children are slow to see that... OK just slow in general more like.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2022-06-11 06:53 PM | Reply

"As a party we are toast."
#2 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

"We" - you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-06-11 08:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

When all this nonsense doesn't work, Democrats will try to burn the whole country down.

The level of seething hatred that's festering among the left is disturbing.

#6 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2022-06-12 02:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The level of seething hatred that's festering among the left is disturbing.

Perhaps President Biden should tell them to stand back and stand by.

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-06-12 03:08 AM | Reply

This is great.

This wasn't just out of the blue.

Trump genuinely believed the election had been stolen.

hmm...so....what happened this election that might give him that impression?

I think the nation needs to have that discussion now.

Could it be....mail-in ballots?

#8 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-12 04:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Mail-in ballots will continue to create suspicion and doubt for whoever loses.

Voting for President of a country as important as the United States needs a voting system that combines fairness with accuracy.

Sending uncounted ballots thru the mail system is absurd.

It's a disaster waiting to happen.

#9 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-12 04:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Mail-in ballots will continue to create suspicion and doubt for whoever loses.
Voting for President of a country as important as the United States needs a voting system that combines fairness with accuracy.
Sending uncounted ballots thru the mail system is absurd.
It's a disaster waiting to happen.

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2022-06-12 04:16 AM |

ROFLMAO teeheehee giggles ROFLMAO teeheehee giggles ROFLMAO

Still lying about mail-in ballots and mail-in voting I see. Not surprising in the least.

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-06-12 04:58 AM | Reply

This is great.
This wasn't just out of the blue.
Trump genuinely believed the election had been stolen.
hmm...so....what happened this election that might give him that impression?
I think the nation needs to have that discussion now.
Could it be....mail-in ballots?

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2022-06-12 04:13 AM | REPLY

So you support a lying traitor to this country and giving him aid and comfort. How unAmerican you have become.

#11 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-06-12 05:07 AM | Reply

The nonsense posted by righties here has one problem. Basically the liaes ob Fox News said the exact same things yesterday. Coincidence? Not.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2022-06-12 06:55 AM | Reply

"Trump genuinely believed the election had been stolen."

One of the main points of the first hearing was how many people in his administration told Trump the election wasn't stolen. They showed clips of these people testifying before the committee to this fact. For example, they showed a clip of Bill Barr saying he repeatedly told Trump the idea that the election was stolen was BS, and then they showed a clip of Ivanka saying she respected AG Barr and that she believed him.

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-12 08:01 AM | Reply

The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol kicked off the first in a series of public hearings with never-before-seen footage from the attack that day as well as clips of videotaped testimony from some of people in former President Donald Trump's orbit, including his daughter Ivanka Trump.

Committee chair Rep. Bennie Thompson and vice chair Rep. Liz Cheney in their extraordinary opening statements detailed how many Trump administration officials themselves did not believe the former president's baseless claims of a stolen election.

Former Attorney General William Barr, for example, told the Jan. 6 committee in his testimony that he told Trump his claims of a stolen election were "bullsh**." Ivanka Trump said she "trusted" that there was no fraud because she respected Barr.

www.cbsnews.com

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-12 08:04 AM | Reply

Here are the exact quotes:

Former Attorney General William Barr, by video:

"I made it clear I did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff which I call the --------. And, you know, I didn't want to be a part of it. ... We can't live in a world where the incumbent administration stays in power based on its view, unsupported by specific evidence, that the election that there was fraud in the election.

"I told him that it was crazy stuff and they were wasting their time, and was doing grave, grave disservice to the country."

Ivanka Trump, former President Trump's daughter, in video testimony:

"I respect Attorney General Barr. So I accepted what he was saying."

www.reuters.com

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-12 08:24 AM | Reply

Why it matters:

Thursday, the committee seriously undercut the theory that Trump actually believed his "big lie." (And one strongly suspects the committee is not done yet in this regard). Tonight we learned, for example, that Trump was told by both his data experts and his own attorney general that he'd lost.

This matters because of a legal doctrine called "willful blindness," which says a defendant can't continue to maintain he didn't know something--in this case, that Trump didn't know he'd lost the election--if they have been credibly notified of the truth. Hearing the truth from your attorney general, a man who'd gone along with virtually all of your other whims, would seem to qualify. Even Ivanka was compelled by the evidence against fraud, saying she respected and believed Barr when he said no fraud tainted the outcome of the election. Trump's continued insistence that he'd won, despite credible evidence there wasn't any fraud and he'd actually lost, puts prosecutors one step closer to having the evidence necessary to bring criminal charges.

www.msnbc.com

At what point can we safely assume Bill Johnson is practicing willful blindness? I'd say we are there and have been for quite some time.

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-12 08:27 AM | Reply

Gal,

At what point did I use the word "fraud"?

Talk about "willful blindness"....

#17 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-12 09:08 AM | Reply

You said, as I quoted above:

"Trump genuinely believed the election had been stolen."

and Barr said:

"I made it clear I did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen . . . ."

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-12 09:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"This is great.
This wasn't just out of the blue.
Trump genuinely believed the election had been stolen.
hmm...so....what happened this election that might give him that impression?"

You are right it wasn't out of the blue. Trump has a history of claiming rigged/stolen elections that predates the 2020 election and the increased use of mail in ballots. It's his MO, and the mail-in ballots was just the latest reason he gave. I've posted you proof of this multiple times in the past, but you ignored those posts. More willful blindness on your part.

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-12 09:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gal,

My post is about MY opinion about mail-in ballots.

Don't attribute Trump's opinion onto me which is what you are doing and think you're clever.

Trump and probably much of the country suspected fraud on their own.

I'm not convinced there isn't some fraud out there that's never been found and for both candidates.

But fraud has not been my primary concern with mail-in ballots.

Ballots need to be counted at a polling center and not passed around out of sight of the voter.

There are numerous things that can go wrong.

Mail-in ballots as a wide scale method of voting is a serious mistake for America.

Absentee ballots where you request one for a valid reason why you are not able to get to the polls, other than lazy or don't want to leave the house, would be accepted.

Bottomline, mail-in ballots just being used as they were this election will continue to create doubt in the minds of whoever loses in future elections.

#20 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-12 09:23 AM | Reply

Oh Good God gravy Marie. Can we drop the mail-in ballots are bad meme. They are safe secure and trustworthy. End of discussion.

#21 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-06-12 09:23 AM | Reply

Trump genuinely believed the election had been stolen.

hmm...so....what happened this election that might give him that impression?

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Trump's personal psychology, his distended and sick ego, demanded that the election must be stolen and by the way of the Greatest Crime of the Century.

That you don't understand what Trump is by now both disturbs and offends me, BILL.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2022-06-12 09:25 AM | Reply

Gal,

Lastly...I was writing about my concerns with mail-in ballots being used due to covid and the need to collect ballots widescale without people voting in person a month before the election.

Now...Democrats want to see that continue but it is not needed and is bad for America.

#23 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-12 09:25 AM | Reply

Mail-in ballots will continue to create suspicion and doubt for whoever loses.

#9 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Because people like you push suspicion and doubt.

There was no problem before you, BILL, and before Donald Trump.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2022-06-12 09:27 AM | Reply

Form a conclusion and then only accept facts that can be interpreted to support that conclusion. Will the country believe their fantasy and forget the miserable job Joe and Democrats are doing or will many wish it were real and had been successful? Explain how protesters occupying a building grant control of the government.

#25 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-06-12 09:28 AM | Reply

"My post is about MY opinion about mail-in ballots.
Don't attribute Trump's opinion onto me which is what you are doing and think you're clever."

Stop playing stupid word games, Bill. You are the one who thinks he is so clever. You wrote this:

"Trump genuinely believed the election had been stolen."

"Hear now this, O foolish people and without understanding, who have eyes and see not, who have ears and hear not."

I know you don't like the KJV but can't remember which version you prefer, so take you pick:

www.biblegateway.com

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-12 09:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Zed,

And I'm offended people refuse to look at mail-in ballots for what they are and I'm offended people here insist on attributing Trump's opinion onto anyone who questions the widescale use of mail-in ballots as if people are stupid and incapable for forming their own opinions and need Trump to tell them what to think.

Yes...fraud is the centerpiece of this investigation but the question still remains, what was the circumstances and why and how did people suspect there was fraud?

Mail-in ballots create doubt and a lack of trust in our voting methods.

That can't happen in America.

#27 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-12 09:30 AM | Reply

You're so effing full of crap Bill Johnson. Mail-in voting has been going on for hundreds of years. It's an honest way to vote. You can quit spreading lies about mail-in ballots now. You got nothing as per the usual Bill Johnson.

#28 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-06-12 09:31 AM | Reply

Gal,

"Stop playing stupid word games, Bill."

Yea...I know.

You have those special mental powers and intellectual abilities to know what I "really mean".

Seems there's a lot of that going around.

#29 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-12 09:33 AM | Reply

And I'm offended people refuse to look at mail-in ballots for what they are and I'm offended people here insist on attributing Trump's opinion onto anyone who questions the widescale use of mail-in ballots as if people are stupid and incapable for forming their own opinions and need Trump to tell them what to think.
Yes...fraud is the centerpiece of this investigation but the question still remains, what was the circumstances and why and how did people suspect there was fraud?
Mail-in ballots create doubt and a lack of trust in our voting methods.
That can't happen in America.

#27 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2022-06-12 09:30 AM |

You're bearing false witness again Bill Johnson. That's a sin.

#30 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-06-12 09:40 AM | Reply

I'm offended people here insist on attributing Trump's opinion onto anyone who questions the widescale use of mail-in ballots as if people are stupid and incapable for forming their own opinions and need Trump to tell them what to think.

#27 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

There wasn't any problem with the election in 2020, BILL.

People who say otherwise are carrying water for Trump.

People who carry water for Trump are fascists.

Because Trump is a fascist.

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2022-06-12 09:40 AM | Reply

Bill Johnson can't believe Fat Donnie Fail lost.
P.S., he knew he lost, that's why he did everything he could to make idiots like you believe him.
You're a dupe and a rube and a so-called "Christian". You're emblematic of everything wrong about this country.

#32 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-06-12 11:43 AM | Reply

There are over 493,000 different elective offices within the United States. The vast majority of them offer voters a chance to cast their ballots in manners other than in-person, Election Day voting. Most of them involve casting ballots delivered to election officials through the U.S. Postal Service or placed in secure ballot boxes for retrieval by local election officials.

Of these nearly half million races, only one single individual has brought court cases declaring widespread massive voter fraud - all of which were dismissed for lack of ANY evidence of result-altering malfeasance.

Whatever Bill Johnson "thinks" is irrelevant to the reality that hundreds of thousands of Democrats and Republicans alike have never found issue with the validity of the votes cast in their own elections. Only one person whose documented and annotated lies over a four year period topped 30,000 separate instances is making this claim based on absolutely zero evidence whatsoever.

Bill Johnson's "opinion" has nothing to stand on and never has. Stop paying heed to his nonsensical, unsupported delusions once and for all. He, Trump and their ilk deserve each other because they all share the same twisted anti-democratic psychopathy.

#33 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-06-12 12:10 PM | Reply

"Trump genuinely believed the election had been stolen.
hmm...so....what happened this election that might give him that impression?"

He lost.
He couldn't believe it.
His supporters couldn't believe it either.
He found an excuse which some fools believed.

It's not so different from thinking your job has been stolen, so you blame illegal immigrants and affirmative action and women's lib.

You need your victim status to define you.

BillJohnson, Mail-in Voter Fraud Survivor.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-12 12:17 PM | Reply

There are over 493,000 different elective offices within the United States.

OUTSIDE of federal and state elective offices which total another 7000+. Some there's over 500,000 total elective offices within the United States: myemail.constantcontact.com

#35 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-06-12 12:26 PM | Reply

"Trump genuinely believed the election had been stolen.
hmm...so....what happened this election that might give him that impression?"

The premise of your argument that Trump "genuinely believed" is proven to be false making your entire argument false.

So Bill Johnson is bearing false witness.

What happened that might make you do that?

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-06-12 12:43 PM | Reply

Yeah Bill Johnson bear false witness again on a Sunday no less. He sinneth bigly

#37 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-06-12 12:52 PM | Reply

"Mail-in ballots will continue to create suspicion and doubt for whoever loses."

Why haven't they every year for the last 25 in places like Oregon, or in the last 150 years for the military?

Ultimately, allegations without ANY PROOF, EVER, are wishes.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-06-12 02:04 PM | Reply

"...anyone who questions the widescale use of mail-in ballots..."

No, you suggest many were stolen, but only Republican ballots, and only by Democrats in their same household, and that's what swung the election to Biden.

Of course, if that were the truth even on the smallest scale, there would be dozens (if not hundreds or thousands) of Republican voters, upset with the results, who would be coming forward to bolster your claim.

Instead: zero. Zero since...well, forever.

Why aren't there dozens and dozens of Republicans coming forward, Bill? And what does that say about your theory, that not even ONE person has made your claim???

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-06-12 02:10 PM | Reply

Dan,

"Why haven't they every year for the last 25 in places like Oregon, or in the last 150 years for the military?"

It's all about scale (number of votes) and the fact more elections today are so evenly distributed.

Those 2 factors make accurate voting methods more important.

"Why aren't there dozens and dotzens of Republicans coming forward, Bill"

Give them time. When Dems lose control of Congress this election who knows what will become topics of interest.

For now maybe they just don't want to listen to the fraud squad.

#40 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-12 03:22 PM | Reply

Dan,

The fraud squad only wants to put on a show like they're doing now with the 7 democrats and 2 republicans on the panel all selected by Pelosi.

#41 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-12 03:28 PM | Reply

"Put on a show"

Are you really this ignorant to how politics work

#42 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-06-12 03:37 PM | Reply

The fraud squad only wants to put on a show like they're doing now with the 7 democrats and 2 republicans on the panel all selected by Pelosi.

And that changes the evidence and testimony from all the Republicans and Trump supporting participants in the events surrounding 1/6 exactly how?

You are the king of the non sequitur. 1/6 is being investigated because it was a criminal event which placed all Congressmembers in imminent danger - Democrats and Republicans alike and itself was a violation of federal statutes criminalizing activity meant to stop Congress from doing its proscribed duties.

Kevin McCarthy was denied 2 members by Nancy Pelosi because both were involved in the events themselves. You don't allow witnesses and possible defendants to investigate the crime. McCarthy alone decided to withdraw the other 3 from the committee - something he and Trumpers now realize as a grave mistake.

You cannot point to one piece of evidence or word of testimony so far that indicates political bias. Everything the committee did and does will be released to the public for posterity. What exactly is wrong with that?

#43 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-06-12 03:47 PM | Reply

Chief,

Yea...politicians have always put on shows knowing good and well the outcome ahead of time.

We'll just have to wait and see how much value and what "facts" come out of this.

One thing we can likely bet on is no one's opinions are going to change as a result this investigation.

#44 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-12 04:00 PM | Reply

"It's all about scale (number of votes) and the fact more elections today are so evenly distributed."

No, it's about a lot more than that according to your theory, including stolen ballots within households, and Democrats doing the theft almost exclusively...NONE of which you've ever shown a scintilla of proof.

"Give them time."

That's nonsense. If they don't come forward in this hotly suspicious election...IT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T EXIST.

"For now maybe they just don't want to listen to the fraud squad."

Every time Team Trump went into court, and were asked directly if they were suggesting fraud, their answer was NO. Every. Single. Time. Why is that?

The fact remains: victims didn't come forward...because there were no victims. Over 60 cases, and ZERO proof of fraud.

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-06-12 04:09 PM | Reply

One thing we can likely bet on is no one's opinions are going to change as a result this investigation.

Yours certainly isn't. And neither is mine.

But at the least, an evidence driven narrative should be available to future generations. So they can hopefully learn, or as many righties like to call it "get indoctrinated".

#46 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-06-12 04:10 PM | Reply

Tony,

I'm not saying what happened Jan 6 was justified.

I'll leave it at that.

However, this committee that is supposed to be investigating security of the Capitol and intelligence gathering could have done this without the dog and pony show.

#47 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-12 04:12 PM | Reply

"this committee that is supposed to be investigating security of the Capitol..."

Security at the Capitol?!? As if THAT was the main problem on 1/6??? Who's feeding you such bullpuckey?

And do you actually believe the biggest threat to America that day was from the folks who physically rioted, over the ones who plotted to disrupt the system enough to have the election thrown to the House of Representatives???

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-06-12 04:19 PM | Reply

this committee that is supposed to be investigating security of the Capitol

Wrong again Bill. The committee's charge was stated right from the start:

In the days following the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, lawmakers began to discuss the need for an investigation focused on what led to the attack, how the building was breached so easily and how any similar event could be prevented from happening again.

House Democrats then decided to create a special investigative committee, and the House passed a resolution establishing one on a 220-to-190 vote on June 30, with two Republicans joining Democrats in voting in favor of the panel.

The Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol was born.

The task of wading through this torrent of information has been divided among five teams that the committee initially put together for its staff of about 40:

*One team, dubbed "Inside the Fence," is devoted to understanding the preparation and response to the event by federal and local law enforcement.

*A second, called "follow the money," is examining the funding for demonstrations against the election results.

*A third is investigating online misinformation and extremist activity.

*A fourth is looking at the pressure campaigns in Washington and in state capitols to overturn election results or delay certification of electors.

*A fifth team is focused on the organizers of the demonstrations on the National Mall and at the Capitol.

www.washingtonpost.com

#49 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-06-12 04:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

this committee that is supposed to be investigating security of the Capitol

Why are you so stupid? The resolution establishing the 1/6 Committee states as follows:

SECTION 1. ESTABLISHMENT.
There is hereby established the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol (hereinafter referred to as the "Select Committee").
...
SEC. 3. PURPOSES.
Consistent with the functions described in section 4, the purposes of the Select Committee are the following:
(1) To investigate and report upon the facts, circumstances, and causes relating to the January 6, 2021, domestic terrorist attack upon the United States Capitol Complex (hereafter referred to as the "domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol") and relating to the interference with the peaceful transfer of power, including facts and causes relating to the preparedness and response of the United States Capitol Police and other Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies in the National Capital Region and other instrumentalities of government, as well as the influencing factors that fomented such an attack on American representative democracy while engaged in a constitutional process.

(2) To examine and evaluate evidence developed by relevant Federal, State, and local governmental agencies regarding the facts and circumstances surrounding the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol and targeted violence and domestic terrorism relevant to such terrorist attack.

(3) To build upon the investigations of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication of efforts by reviewing the investigations, findings, conclusions, and recommendations of other executive branch, congressional, or independent bipartisan or nonpartisan commission investigations into the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol, including investigations into influencing factors related to such attack.
january6th.house.gov

You sound like you're regurgitating fake news. Where did you hear/read what you said? Facebook? Fox "News?" AM Radio?

#50 | Posted by JOE at 2022-06-12 04:39 PM | Reply

Joe,

I'm looking forward to what they find is the "cause" of Jan 6 breakin.

#51 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-12 05:41 PM | Reply

"Could it be....mail-in ballots?"

I was expecting something different.

#52 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-06-12 05:51 PM | Reply

#50

North Korea calls itself a Republic. Do you buy that?

#53 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-06-12 06:36 PM | Reply

Sent,

You picked up on the vibe.

Yes...Church Lady was there when I wrote it.

#54 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-12 06:40 PM | Reply

"Why aren't there dozens and dozens of Republicans coming forward, Bill"

"Give them time. When Dems lose control of Congress this election who knows what will become topics of interest."

So...let me get this straight: Massive amounts of Republicans who had their ballots stolen from them, by Democrats known to them, aren't going to come forward about this massive happening after losing a very close election, not even ONE of them...

...but they're all going to come forward to complain after they've won???

Your theory gets more cockamamie by the day.

#55 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-06-13 01:04 AM | Reply

@Tony Just like the only accepted narrative was the Warren Commission did for the JFK assassination. You really do eat up your own bull ---- don't you?

#56 | Posted by Reginald at 2022-06-13 01:19 AM | Reply

" topics of interest" Hilary sat in a chair and answered dumb questions. Too bad some can just skip it if they don't like it. Your logic is flawed. Not everything is political theater. Sometimes people die for dumb events and people should be accountable.

#57 | Posted by Brennnn at 2022-06-13 06:36 AM | Reply

Wow...an entire thread devoted to billjohnson's abject stupidity.

#whatawaste

#58 | Posted by Angrydad at 2022-06-13 06:55 AM | Reply

Dan,

"Massive amounts of Republicans who had their ballots stolen from them"

Is that I said?

Trump is who is claiming the election was stolen.

I just don't like mail-in ballots because sending uncounted ballots through the mail is an accident waiting to happen and creates a lack of confidence.

Back to Jan 6, I believe were it not for the doubt created by such a loosey goosey system this election, the break in would not have occurred.

#59 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-13 07:41 AM | Reply

Back to Jan 6, I believe were it not for the doubt created by such a loosey goosey system this election, the break in would not have occurred.

#59 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON A

Given everything that is known, this is an assertion made in bad faith.

#60 | Posted by Zed at 2022-06-13 08:21 AM | Reply

#59 - You mean if Trump had "won" he wouldn't have called for an insurrection? Because that's why he called for Mike Pence to violate the law and act to overthrow the Election. All because Trump lost and couldn't handle it. Trump called for the government to be overthrown and for him to be installed as "president."

GTFU, already Bill. Open your damn eyes.

#61 | Posted by YAV at 2022-06-13 09:13 AM | Reply

Trump is who is claiming the election was stolen.
I just don't like mail-in ballots because sending uncounted ballots through the mail is an accident waiting to happen and creates a lack of confidence.
Back to Jan 6, I believe were it not for the doubt created by such a loosey goosey system this election, the break in would not have occurred.
POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2022-06-13 07:41 AM | REPLY

What a bunch of crapola Bill Johnson. You lack cognitive abilities to understand how so very much wrong that you are. Hell just recently The GOP was making sure all mail-in ballots were counted in Pennsylvania. God damnit you're a dummkopf.

#62 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-06-13 09:56 AM | Reply

Yav,

"Open your damn eyes."

My eyes are open.

I'm just ahead of the curve.

Absentee ballots are necessary for certain people.

Otherwise people need to vote where their their identity and qualification to vote are verified and their ballot is recorded immediately.

#63 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-13 11:03 AM | Reply

And guaranteed anonymous and no pressure from family members, friends or ballot harvesters.

#64 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-13 11:06 AM | Reply

Bearing false witness again Bill Johnson. You're sinning again.

#65 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-06-13 11:14 AM | Reply

Your eyes are shut tighter than Saul's, who led violent persecutions of Christians, going house to house - dragging every Christian to prison.

And you are just as certain as he - before...

#66 | Posted by YAV at 2022-06-13 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" where their their identity and qualification to vote are verified "

That's not how it works, dumb@ss. You show up and say who you are, you don't flash your ID.
AND FOR THE LAST TIME, MAIL-IN BALLOTS HAVE BEEN WORKING PERFECTLY WELL FOR DECADES.
You're either an idiot or you're doing this on purpose.

#67 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-06-13 12:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Could be both. I think it's both.

#68 | Posted by YAV at 2022-06-13 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sending uncounted ballots thru the mail system is absurd.
It's a disaster waiting to happen.
POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2022-06-12 04:16 AM

Is that why Donald Trump does it and continues to vote by mail?

#69 | Posted by e1g1 at 2022-06-13 01:52 PM | Reply

As much as Republicans and right wingers are yelling and screaming to deny the premise of this thread, the truth is, the title probably nails it. History Will Accept Only One 1/6 Narrative: The Committee's. Certainly it is the view which 90+% of historians one hundred years from now will hold. Lies tend to only work in the present, not the future. Too much proof bears out the truth over time.

#70 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-06-13 02:01 PM | Reply

I have been thinking a lot lately about the very real phenomena of right wingers refusing to watch or even acknowledge the on-going 1/6 hearings in the House. I have come up with several theories. The one I am leaning towards heavily now has to do with how acclimated many people, especially right wingers, have become to the internet and discussion web sites.

On these sites the "truth" is always up for debate. Every view can be countered with an opposite, articulated view which disproves or at least disputes a so-called proffered truth. Basically, 'truth' does not exist because it can always be argued against in today's interactive web world. And when a 'truth' cannot be persuasively disputed, it can be trolled to the point that the underlying truth is ignored or forgotten within all the trollish static and moved goal posts. And when that does not work (which it pretty much always does) the trolls can always simply abandon the site.

In short, via the internet and our ability to respond and argue with what anybody else is saying, the truth has become fungible in the minds of most right wingers. So why both even listening to the hearings when you dislike and disagree with what is being presented and do not have the real-time opportunity to troll it out of existence?

#71 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-06-13 03:08 PM | Reply

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