Bernie is a standup guy.

#1 | Posted by Corky

And biden can barely stand up.

If he had any sense or patriotism he'd say he's stepping aside and let dems compete to see who appeals more to the american people.

Heck even SpeaksSoftly supported vehemently supported Musk and Tesla, now look at him ...

If it goes as bad as the polling indicates ... the knives will come out. Either way Biden is a lame duck at this point.

#2 | Posted by oneironaut

Yeah gosh it's almost as if intelligent people can observe events and gather new data that changes their opinion. It's the difference between being an individual versus a brainless cult member.

You need to ask Speaks ... I would say it was LOVE then HATE .. that's how these people are though.

#9 | Posted by oneironaut

Like most everything else, you make assumptions and you're wrong.

It was interest, that led to optimism, which led to admiration, which led to investing and purchasing.

Those led to me making a lot of money, and realizing how vastly superior electric cars are to gas cars for most usage situations.

Then he started showing that he doesn't really care about the climate if he can make some money from promoting climate roasting cryptocurrencies. Then I started getting sick of all the quality issues with my car, which coincided with customer service that got worse and worse. Then his new design ideas got worse and worse, and I started growing concerned as an investor. Then he outed himself as a covid denier who didn't care if people died in order to keep his factories open.

Then he decided that he'll openly support the climate change denier party that tried to overthrow democracy which informed me that he doesn't really care about he climate or the future of mankind at all. And anyone with any brains hates that kind of person. So i dumped my stock (as did many others) and it crashed far harder than the rest of the market, I stopped recommending teslas to other people, started warning them about all the problems, and started looking at new EV companies to invest in that aren't run by supporters of american fascism.

That's called not being a cult member. There are plenty of nerdy virgins who will never leave elon no matter what he does because they're in a cult. Same as trump's supporters.

But this thread is about bernie being too scared to say what everyone can see - biden is too old to do this job now, and will DEFINITELY be too old to do it in 6 more years.

Well, Bernie might not want to make age an issue at this point when he is older than Biden (he will be 81 this Sept, Biden will 79 in Nov) and may want to be a senator for the next 6 years.

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Bernie's too old now too. But he's got more energy and mental sharpness than biden for sure.

It's possible Biden will pick a different running mate when he runs for re-election.

#12 | Posted by Tor

Yeah right. Dump a minority female? In a party that is more concerned with leader's race and gender than they are about their record or priorities?

Keep dreaming.

He could replace her with Gov. Stacy Abrams.

#15 | Posted by Tor

He should just not run and let stacy abrams run.

The Dems should be having a serious sit down meeting discussing how to
reign in inflation, because a politician that can't offer concrete steps
to do that, won't stand a chance in the next election....unless of course
their followers are moronic republicans who don't think anymore...

#18 | Posted by earthmuse

Dems need a politician who will say:

1. I am taking zero corporate campaign cash - corporations are not people since they can not go to jail or face real consequences for their actions
2. There is a fascist uprising in america being fueled by trump and right wing media
3. It's time to end the drug war and put money into treatment and mental health
4. It's time to stop corporations and foreign nationals from buying up all our homes
5. A shotgun, bolt action rifle, and revolver are all you need to defend your home and hunt. No one needs guns with clips.
6. Abortion should be legal but not up to right before birth.
7. Climate change is real and we can get rich from solving it.
8. Wokeness has gone too far. People shouldnt have their lives ruined for not agreeing with the new mass popular opinion. Encouraging kids to be gay or trans is wrong. Dont shame them, but let them figure it out on their own.
9. We need strict immigration control and border security. We can not support everyone in the world. Our social systems are already failing the people who are here, how can we expect them to handle more? Lead by example to other countries - show them HOW to create stable successful economy like ours so they dont need to come here to experience it.
10. Claw back the pandemic funds that went to scams and prosecute the scammers.
11. Massive funding for teachers and education - education is the way to make sure the lower classes have a road out of the lower classes.
12. Medicare for all - our medical system is great for the rich and a nightmare for everyone else.
13. Rebalance the supreme court - which doesn't represent the country, contains 2 stolen seats, and a majority of it was appointed by presidents who got fewer votes than their opponents
14. Kill the electoral college. A system where your political power depends on where you live is unfair. A system where the person with fewer votes becomes the leader is insane.
15. Your data is your property - corporations and governments can't track you without your opt in permission and financial compensation if you demand it

Not necessarily in that order.

There. An agenda that addresses the right's social concerns, and the working class' economic concerns.

But dems wouldnt get past step 1.

You mean the Dems should support someone who is openly pursuing an unconstitutional agenda right out the gate?

#21 | Posted by madbomber

what's unconstitutional? Not letting 18 year olds buy armloads of assault rifles?

Bernie assaults and batters Ms Lindsey on Fox News with policies Americans say they want....

www.youtube.com

#23 | Posted by Corky

God damn that man wouldve been a great president. The moment people chose hillary over him is the moment we started down this current path.

Who are you to tell anyone what they need to defend their home? And in any case, the right to keep and bear arms has little to nothing to do with defending your home. Or hunting.

#25 | Posted by madbomber

Who are you to tell anyone their kids have to risk their lives every day by going to school so that some fascist cosplayers can play commando?

Maybe.

This definitely is:

14. Kill the electoral college. A system where your political power depends on where you live is unfair. A system where the person with fewer votes becomes the leader is insane.

Most of the other issues, as one might expect from you, would resonate with voters on the far left...but probably not so much with the majority of voters.

Not saying that the Dems shouldn't be allowed to pursue this path, but it wouldn't be good for the party.

#27 | Posted by madbomber

You realize the electoral college didn't always exist right stupid?

It was created to get the slave states to rejoin the union. Do you think they'll try to leave again if we take away their unfair unjustifiable advantage?

"Who are you to tell anyone their kids have to risk their lives every day by going to school so that some fascist cosplayers can play commando?"

It's not me...it's the constitution.

And the 40% of Americans who own a gun. Or lots of guns.

#28 | Posted by madbomber

The constitution was written to evolve. The founders didn't know you lunatics would be selling weapons to other lunatics that would enable them to slaughter dozens of people in seconds because they can't find a woman to have sex with them.

Saying they should have chosen someone else never changes that, so swing voters have to be accounted for in any decision of how to vote.

#32 | Posted by Corky

And watching bernie in that video you posted shows how much more appeal he'd have to swing voters than mrs "it's a woman's turn".

"You realize the electoral college didn't always exist right stupid?"

Yeah. It didn't exist before the constitution.

"Do you think they'll try to leave again if we take away their unfair unjustifiable advantage?"

If you have a constitutional pathway...no. I don't think so. Simply because so many states would need to be in favor of eliminating the electoral college.

If you pursued unconstitutional means...then you're basically a worse version of Trump.

#34 | Posted by madbomber

It didn't exist before the civil war stupid.

The slave states wouldnt rejoin the union unless they were given an unfair amount of power. Do you still think they need that advantage and why?

"The constitution was written to evolve."

Really?

Where did you draw that from?

Is that in the constitution? If so, who gets to "evlove" it? just whatever party happens to be in power at the time?

I mean, I don't totally disagree. That's the whole purpose of the amendment process. To allow changes when an overwhelming majority agree that change in necessary.

#37 | Posted by madbomber

YOu just debated your self and proved yourself wrong. What an idiot.

Bernie supported Hil and now supports Biden because, as you say, he's pragmatic, not a Drama Queen Puridopian like a few of his BBros... who never actually listen to anything he says they should do.

#43 | Posted by Corky

Bernie supported himself OVER hillary. Only supported hillary when the choice was her or a fascist con man. As anyone with a brain would.

But swing voters dont have big brains. And if dems want to win, they better find more candidates like bernie who appeal to them and less like biden and clinton who dont.

Dems are doomed because they refuse to learn anything from their mistakes. The have no courage to lead.

"It didn't exist before the civil war stupid."

Really?

I didn't know that.

Do you have like a link or something? I'd like to know more.

#46 | Posted by madbomber

You were right the electoral college existed before the civil war:
"Behind Madison's statement were the stark facts: The populations in the North and South were approximately equal, but roughly one-third of those living in the South were held in -------. Because of its considerable, nonvoting slave population, that region would have less clout under a popular-vote system. The ultimate solution was an indirect method of choosing the president, one that could leverage the three-fifths compromise, the Faustian bargain they'd already made to determine how congressional seats would be apportioned. With about 93 percent of the country's slaves toiling in just five southern states, that region was the undoubted beneficiary of the compromise, increasing the size of the South's congressional delegation by 42 percent. When the time came to agree on a system for choosing the president, it was all too easy for the delegates to resort to the three-fifths compromise as the foundation. The peculiar system that emerged was the Electoral College."

And I was right that it was a system created to take power away from certain people and give others undeserved power. Do you think that system is still relevent in america today?

"Dems are doomed because they refuse to learn anything from their mistakes. The have no courage to lead."

Y'mean they lack the courage to behave like left-wing versions of Trump?

#49 | Posted by madbomber

You dont have to be a criminal con man in order to be a strong leader. Look at bernie.

Only your cult is obsessed with a criminal con man who they wont abandon even after he attempted to overthrow democracy.

Both of whom won their primaries.

Perhaps BBros should listen to Bernie instead of just talking about listening to Bernie.

#50 | Posted by Corky

Because dems are obsessed with identity politics instead of picking someone who will be a strong inspirational leader and address our real problems.

You always say "listen to bernie" whenever he says a sellout dem is worse than a repub, but whenever he's on the ballot or endorsing a progressive, you say they can't win.

"Nobody's noticed, but she's running on an ambitious plan to remake the American social compact."

www.vox.com

Their policy goals were, and are, quite similar. One just demanded justice now, which is fine if you think you get it.

#56 | Posted by Corky

One of them was on wall street's payroll and the other wasn't. People aren't stupid enough to think you'll reform something that your owners benefit from.

It's one of the pillars of republicanism-the notion of the states as equal partners. Getting rid of it would not be unlike getting rid of the Senate, which if I recall correctly, you also favor because it absolutely normalizes legislative power between states. If you do that, then you no longer have a republic. You no longer have states in any meaningful way. You're left with a central government with absolute authority.

#61 | Posted by madbomber

Translation - if you make the system fair, my minority group will no longer be able to be in control!

"Only your cult is obsessed with a criminal con man who they wont abandon even after he attempted to overthrow democracy."

My cult?

I guess my cult must be everyone who isn't in your cult?

#63 | Posted by madbomber

I dont have a cult. I oppose one. The one you spend all day defending and deflecting for.