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Thursday, June 16, 2022

A new photo obtained exclusively by ABC News shows then-Vice President Mike Pence and his family in hiding after rioters broke into the Capitol on Jan. 6 and he was evacuated from the Senate floor.

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Where's the photo of Donnie Dotard cowering in the White House bunker?

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-06-16 12:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

He wasn't because that was a violent mob of his creation.

#2 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2022-06-16 10:30 AM | Reply

Pence was wise to hide. That mob would have killed him without a doubt. These insurrectionists wanted his blood.

#3 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-06-16 11:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The violent mob that didn't kill anybody definitely would've killed him.

#4 | Posted by LEGALLYDORKY at 2022-06-16 12:26 PM | Reply

---- off, loser.

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-06-16 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It was a tour!"

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-06-16 01:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If the mob got close to Pence his SS detail would have shot them, just like Ashli. The cops should have shot all those that illegally entered Congress. The rest of the cowards would have ran.

#7 | Posted by bored at 2022-06-16 06:51 PM | Reply

I found it interesting today hearing there has been 800 trials connected to Jan 6 and not one has been convicted of sedition.

#8 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-16 07:50 PM | Reply

I find it difficult to believe Pence would have been murdered.

#9 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-16 07:54 PM | Reply

Who bloody cares what you think Bill Johnson. I mean seriously. Who bloody cares.

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-06-16 08:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The insurrectionists got within 40 ft of pence.

#11 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-16 08:13 PM | Reply

I found it interesting today hearing there has been 800 trials connected to Jan 6 and not one has been convicted of sedition.

I'm no legal genius but I don't think you can convict a trial.

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-06-16 08:27 PM | Reply

Tor,

"The insurrectionists got within 40 ft of pence"

That doesn't prove they would have killed him.

#13 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-16 08:31 PM | Reply

That doesn't prove they would have killed him.

They wouldn't have. Ask Ashli Babbitt.

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-06-16 08:35 PM | Reply

"That doesn't prove they would have killed him."

Aguilar reveals that a confidential informant from the Proud Boys told the FBI that the group would have killed Pence if they got the chance.

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The insurrectionists shouting "Bring out Pence" and "Hang Mike Pence" sound convincing to me:

twitter.com

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-16 08:40 PM | Reply

"I found it interesting today hearing there has been 800 trials connected to Jan 6 and not one has been convicted of sedition."

Oh geez, here we go again. The trials for seditious conspiracy haven't taken place yet.

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-16 08:45 PM | Reply

I found it interesting today hearing there has been 800 trials connected to Jan 6 and not one has been convicted of sedition.

#8 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

2 have pled guilty to sedition you ignorant ----

#17 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-16 08:54 PM | Reply

Bill Johnson needs to quit the hornswoggle. All he has are crapola from his lapola.

#18 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-06-16 08:55 PM | Reply

I stand corrected

3 people have plead guilty

www.nbcnews.com

#19 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-16 08:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I found it interesting today hearing there has been 800 trials connected to Jan 6 and not one has been convicted of sedition.

There has been only about a dozen trials total. There have been hundreds of guilty pleas.

About a dozen people have been charged with sedition, the first in January the latest this month. I think there have been two sedition guilty pleas. None of the sedition case are even close to coming to trial.

#20 | Posted by et_al at 2022-06-16 08:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I, too, stand corrected.

#21 | Posted by et_al at 2022-06-16 08:58 PM | Reply

Jesus, the usual insurrectionist wannabes are here blathering they have doubts about the slam dunk heard today. Keep lying to yourself, losers.

#22 | Posted by cbob at 2022-06-16 09:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Truth.

Ok 3

#23 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-16 09:12 PM | Reply

Truth,

Now convince me they would have killed Pence.

#24 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-16 09:14 PM | Reply

#19

You can't convince BJ of ----. His mind is made up. Broken record.

#25 | Posted by bruceaz at 2022-06-16 09:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gal,

Ok.

#26 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-16 09:20 PM | Reply

Bruce,

You're wrong.

I will say I'm not as emotionally invested in this as some others so Im not following it that close.

I'm still not convinced this was an attempted coup unless stealing Pelosis gavel and podium has more power than I realized.

#27 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-16 09:24 PM | Reply

Bruce,

I mean...what would killing Pence have accomplished?

#28 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-16 09:28 PM | Reply

I will say I'm not as emotionally invested in this as some others so Im not following it that close.

I'm still not convinced this was an attempted coup unless stealing Pelosis gavel and podium has more power than I realized.

#27 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2022-06-16 09:24 PM | FLAG: EYEROLL

Reality eludes you. Maybe you should pay more attention.

#29 | Posted by cbob at 2022-06-16 09:28 PM | Reply

Bill Johnson you were hornswoggled but instead of learning from the hornswoggle. You have become the hornswoggler You don't have a legitimate reason for the hornswoggle other than you support the hornswoggle. That's the crux of the matter wiath you.

#30 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-06-16 09:30 PM | Reply

"I mean...what would killing Pence have accomplished?"

They considered him a traitor for not doing as Trump asked and stopping the steal. What would killing him have accomplished? Death to traitors!

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-16 09:44 PM | Reply

I mean...what would killing Pence have accomplished?

#28 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Probably wuold have delayed certification

#32 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-16 09:45 PM | Reply

Truth,
Now convince me they would have killed Pence.

#24 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

You do understand that the intent of the insurrectionists was to delay the certification, which killing Pence undoubtedly would have accomplished?!?

#33 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-16 09:47 PM | Reply

Probably wuold have delayed certification
#32 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Wasn't Trump toying with the idea of declaring martial law? We know Flynn was encouraging him to. Insurrectionists killing the VP (and Pelosi, Schumer, Nadler, AOC et al) would given him the grounds.

Donald Trump Should Declare Martial Law, Michael Flynn Retweeted from His Now-Banned Account
www.newsweek.com

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-16 09:50 PM | Reply

Cbob,

When these hearings are over I'll be interested in the final opinions and what value comes from it.

What changes happen as a result of these final reports.

#35 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-16 09:52 PM | Reply

"Now convince me they would have killed Pence."

No one can convince you but yourself. You really should watch the hearings if you are going to comment on them. As Laura pointed out, why should anyone care about your uniformed opinions, which at this point are based on willful blindness on your part?

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-16 09:53 PM | Reply

Truth,

I understood delay.

But it wouldn't have changed the final outcome unless they were thinking delaying would have given them time to dig more into the ballot mess.

#37 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-16 09:57 PM | Reply

Gal,

You're right.

#38 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-16 09:58 PM | Reply

Truth,
I understood delay.
But it wouldn't have changed the final outcome unless they were thinking delaying would have given them time to dig more into the ballot mess.

#37 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Delaying the certification would have allowed their phony electors ploy to play out. It would have given them time to get state legislatures on board (including giving them the nerve to act). Once the competing electors are officially accepted it goes to the HoR and ------- is reelected.

that was the plan. You should know this by now

#39 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-16 10:02 PM | Reply

Gal,

Even the pillow man thought he should declare martial law based on his note pad.

But Trump didn't so it's a moot point.

#40 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-16 10:02 PM | Reply

#38 Today's hearings included several references to Pence's religious faith and how they influenced his decision to reject Trump's attempts to bully him into doing what he wanted him to do. As a Christian, you might have found that part of today's testimony of special interest.

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-16 10:04 PM | Reply

"Even the pillow man thought he should declare martial law based on his note pad.
But Trump didn't so it's a moot point."

Nobody killed Pence or Pelosi either and gave him the excuse.

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-16 10:06 PM | Reply

Truth,

"that was the plan."

Is that being documented in these hearings?

#43 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-16 10:08 PM | Reply

yes

#44 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-16 10:12 PM | Reply

Trump reportedly asked Pence that if White House lawyers said he had the power to reject the results of the election, "wouldn't you want to?"

"I wouldn't want any one person to have that authority," Pence told Trump, according to the book.

"But wouldn't it almost be cool to have that power?" Trump asked.

"No," Pence replied. "Look, I've read this, and I don't see a way to do it. We've exhausted every option. I've done everything I could and then some to find a way around this. It's simply not possible."

The president was insistent.

"No, no, no, you don't understand, Mike. You can do this," he told Pence, adding: "I don't want to be your friend anymore if you don't do this."

In video testimony shown during Thursday's hearing, Marc Short, Pence's former chief of staff, told the committee that the vice president had also told him he would not want the power to overturn the election "bestowed on any one person."


When I heard this conversation read out loud today, I thought to myself that Pence should have said to Trump, figuratively: "Get thee behind me Satan!"

#45 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-16 10:12 PM | Reply

Read the eastman memo, educate yourself on Bannon's greenbay sweep, LEARN

#46 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-16 10:13 PM | Reply

"I mean...what would killing Pence have accomplished?"

It would have created enough chaos that people like you, who claim the election was rife with fraud, would have supported not certifying the election until the irregularities are fully investigated.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-16 10:22 PM | Reply

..............unless they were thinking delaying would have given them time to dig more into the ballot mess.

Bingo! You figured it out, the "unless" part of your statement.

But it wouldn't have been the "ballot mess", because there was no ballot mess.

It would have been finding anything that could declare Trump the winner.

#48 | Posted by brass30 at 2022-06-16 10:43 PM | Reply

Now convince me they would have killed Pence.

If you would at least try to follow what happened today, you would have known the FBI confirmed this today.

Ignorance is not an excuse.

#49 | Posted by brass30 at 2022-06-16 10:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I mean...what would killing Pence have accomplished?
#28 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

The Constitution requires that the President of the Senate, a role that is Constitutionally defined as being held by the Vice President, open the electoral certificates in the presence of both houses of congress in order to count the votes and certify the results.

If Pence had been killed on Jan 6 then they can't open and count the certificates and elect a President. If they can't elect a President then it goes to House vote to select the President. It's not a straightforward House vote. Each state gets 1 vote based on the majority party of their house delegation. Even though Dems had the House majority, republicans would actually control the majority of votes had it gone to House vote.

#50 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-06-16 10:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I just want to say, it is deeply reassuring that so many regular posters here can see the coup attempt for what it was.

And I would like to add, all you deniers are no better than the ---- your kind smeared on the walls of The Capitol that day.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-16 11:04 PM | Reply

One way or another, it's obvious Trump et al wanted Pence out of the picture. Remember this?:

Grassley suggests he may preside over Senate debate on Electoral College votes

Grassley was asked how he plans to vote.

"Well, first of all, I will be--if the Vice President isn't there and we don't expect him to be there, I will be presiding over the Senate," according to a transcript of his remarks sent by a spokesperson.

So now we learn:

Rudy Giuliani's emails reveal scheme to push Mike Pence out on Jan. 6

Giuliani's ally concocted a scheme to have Pence recuse himself from the vote count to overturn the election

A former ally of Rudy Giuliani, Donald's Trump's ex-attorney, reportedly concocted a scheme to have former Vice President Mike Pence relinquish his role in the January 6 vote-counting ceremony to a top Senate Republican, who was then expected to overturn the election by blocking the electoral votes in several battleground states.

The plan, CBS News reports, was outlined in a December 2020 email sent by attorney Kenneth Chesebro to Trump and Giuliani. In it, Chesebro details that Pence would hand over the baton to Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, the Senate president pro tempore, by claiming that he has a "conflict of interest" as a result of being on the 2020 ballot. In theory, the plan would have effectively had Pence ignore the procedures outlined by the Electoral Count Act of 1878, which required that the vice president open all the electoral votes and hand them to Congress to be officially counted. Once Grassley takes over, the memo detailed, he "opens the two envelopes from Arizona, and announces that he cannot and will not, at least as of that date, count any electoral college votes from Arizona because there are two slates of votes."

According to Chesebro's interpretation of the 12th Amendment, Grassley would then have "enormous leverage" to enact whatever solutions to the logjam he saw fit.


www.salon.com

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-16 11:09 PM | Reply

And then there's this testimony from today's hearing:

"Tim, I know you and trust you but you're not the one behind the wheel."--VP Pence to his Secret Service detail after evacuating his office, refuses to get into his car.
Gives you a sense what Pence really thought Trump was capable of at that point on #January6th.

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#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-16 11:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

This dovetails nicely with a cohort of Secret Service Agents who are loyal to Trump and not to the Oath of Office they swore.

We're five years from people being lined up at shot (school shootings notwithstanding.)

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-17 12:07 AM | Reply

The violent mob that didn't kill anybody definitely would've killed him.
#4 | POSTED BY LEGALLYDORKY

Had Trump simply conceded the election, just like every other losing POTUS candidate in history, Ashli Babbitt would still be alive.

Swallow it.

#55 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-06-17 12:25 AM | Reply

But Trump didn't so it's a moot point.
#40 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Only because Pence was NOT hanged.

JFC, it's not that difficult.

#56 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-06-17 12:31 AM | Reply

Fnkcing Christ BILLJOHNSON.

Are you paying attention yet?

#57 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-06-17 12:38 AM | Reply

"Now convince me they would have killed Pence."

All of them? Probably not. But the ones chanting "Hang Mike Pence", or the guy who read Trump's tweet blaming Pence? Why don't you take them at their own word?

And do you know what a statement against interest refers to, in legal terms?

#58 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-06-17 01:09 AM | Reply

Not ONE single link on FoxNews.com about the Jan 6 hearings. Not one.

"News" my ass

#59 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-06-17 03:39 AM | Reply

John,

I read your post.

So you want me to believe Trump organized a hit squad to go kill his VP so he could elected?

Is that what this is all about?

#60 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-17 06:09 AM | Reply

Gal,

"Gives you a sense what Pence really thought Trump was capable of"

Thats your "sense"...not mine.

#61 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-17 06:22 AM | Reply

Thats your "sense"...not mine.
POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2022-06-17 06:22 AM | REPLY

You have no sense and that's your problem. Zero common sense.

#62 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-06-17 06:32 AM | Reply

BillJohnson is either a masterful troll, or the most profoundly ignorant person i have ever encountered on the internet. If the former, i admire your dedication to your craft. If the latter, i'm not sure how you manage to get through a day.

#63 | Posted by JOE at 2022-06-17 07:17 AM | Reply

So you want me to believe Trump organized a hit squad to go kill his VP so he could elected?
Is that what this is all about?
#60 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I don't know how you jumped to that from my reply. You asked a question and later stated that killing Pence would not change the outcome.

I answered your question and addressed your misinformed statement by explaining how provisions of the Constitution that deal with selecting a President would have resulted in more than just delay and could have changed the outcome of the election.

Here's some recommended reading for you on the matter.
constitutioncenter.org

#64 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-06-17 07:42 AM | Reply

John,

I'm piecing together all I'm seeing in this thread.

Jan 6 was instigated by Trump.

The objective was to delay the certification by killing Pence.

Thus...I am reading in this thread Trump organized a hit squad to take out Pence to disrupt the electoral votes?

#65 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-17 08:25 AM | Reply

The objective was to delay the certification by killing Pence.

No ------, the objective was to delay the certification, period. The fact that some feral trumpers decided they wanted to kill Mike Pence was an unfortunate but entirely foreseeable consequence of trump's rhetoric, but was not necessarily the primary objective. Storming the capitol, evacuating the building, and the potential for a shootout between police and protesters may have been seen as enough to delay certification.

#66 | Posted by JOE at 2022-06-17 08:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I'm piecing together all I'm seeing in this thread.
Jan 6 was instigated by Trump.
The objective was to delay the certification by killing Pence."

No, the objective was to delay certification.

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-17 08:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#65 - The objective was to keep Trump in office regardless of the actual election results. (see the Mark Meadows powerpoint). I have not evidence that indicates that Trump's planned a Pence assassination in advance.
That said, we have already seen evidence that shows that Trump continued with his plan to disrupt Congress even though he knew he legitimately lost. We have seen evidence that shows that Trump coordinated with the planners of the Jan 6 rally and that he knew that violence and chaos was a likely outcome. We have also seen evidence that strongly suggests that Trump not only knew violence was a likely outcome but that he and his people coordinated with groups that organized and engaged in violence. We have seen evidence that shows that Trump deliberately ignored calls from his closest advisors, including his own family members, to put down the insurrection as soon as it began and that he waited for hours to take action while the Capitol was under attack. Liz Cheney also stated that there will be evidence presented that indicates that Trump was supportive of the the possibility that the insurrectionists kill Pence. She claimed the committee has found that while watching Trump supporters storm the Capitol chanting "Hang Mike Pence" that Trump said "Maybe our supporters have the right idea. Mike Pence deserves it."

Whether or not Trump's plan all along was to have Pence killed is secondary as far as I'm concerned. It is already established that Trump actively attempted to overthrow the US Constitution by planning and attempting to overturn the results of the Presidential election. Trump should be put on trial and if found guilty then he should be given the maximum punishment that the law provides for his crimes.

#68 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-06-17 08:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Excellent thread on Trump's culpability on January 6:

Indeed, the hearings have actually presented enough evidence, IMO, charge Trump with (incitement to) rebellion, 18 U.S.C. 2383, the criminal analog of what he was impeached for. The impeachment committee presented a circumstantial case, but now we have a causal link, to wit: 1/

We learned yesterday that Trump KNEW, by January 5, that Pence was *not* going to go along with the Eastman plan. But he released a statement to his supporters telling them that Pence was "on the same page" and ready to reject the slates of electors from several states 2/

This reveals not just an intention to pressure Pence, but also to psychologically prime his base -- especially the ones coming to D.C. -- and raise their expectations that Pence would overturn the election (knowing otherwise). 3/

He reinforced this expectation in his speech at the ellipse, telling the audience *repeatedly* that Pence just had to "do the right thing" and that they would all be "happy." Remember -- Pence couldn't hear that speech, that was intended for his followers. To get them riled up 4/

Having gathered this dry tinder at the ellipse, and having made them believe that Pence would deliver -- despite knowing full well he was't going to -- he sends them off to the Capitol. To repeat: HE directs them to march on the Capitol 5/

The critical piece of evidence we heard yesterday is that AFTER Trump knew that the Capitol had been breached, he tweeted out to his followers that Pence had failed them because he didn't have the "courage to do what needed to be done." He knew this would light the fire 6/

And the direct relationship was clear from yesterday's videos. Right after Trump sent the tweet, the mob reacted *directly* to it, booing Pence, and saying explicitly that that was the reason they were storming the Capitol. We know that the Proud Boys were ready to kill Pence 7/

What's important about 18 U.S.C. 2383, rebellion and insurrection, is that it carries as its penalty a prohibition from holding any office (including as president). The other crimes which have been floated, e.g. conspiracy to obstruct/defraud, don't. So it's worth considering END


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#69 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-17 09:20 AM | Reply

Pence has no future as republican presidential candidate. Period. However, he can build on his legacy as a hero that prevented the US from falling into constitutional chaos; maybe even fighting in the street. He can burnish this legacy by appearing before the Jan 6 committee and revealing all that he knows. To not appear would indicate that he is still a Trump toady that was courageous for one day.

#70 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2022-06-17 09:46 AM | Reply

Check out this morning's lead front page headlines in the print editions of the @nytimes and
@washingtonpost

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#71 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-17 09:53 AM | Reply

Joe,

"The fact that some feral trumpers decided they wanted to kill Mike Pence was an unfortunate"

So....you're saying this group acted on their own accord.

#72 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-17 07:56 PM | Reply

Gal,

I read your headline.

Since Trump and Putin as such buds as liberals say, why didn't he just get some poison from Putin and put in Pence's coffee.

I'm sure Putin has some laying around.

#73 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-17 08:08 PM | Reply

Don't count on this thread to get a clear understanding.

I waiting on the CliffNotes of this investigation.

#74 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-17 08:11 PM | Reply

Since Trump and Putin as such buds as liberals say, why didn't he just get some poison from Putin and put in Pence's coffee.
I'm sure Putin has some laying around.
POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2022-06-17 08:08 PM | REPLY

OMFG ROFLMAO teeheehee giggles ROFLMAO teeheehee giggles ROFLMAO teeheehee giggles
Oh hell I have tears rolling down my cheeks. Where did you pull that out of?? That's hilarious dude.

#75 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-06-17 08:20 PM | Reply

Gal,
I read your headline.
Since Trump and Putin as such buds as liberals say, why didn't he just get some poison from Putin and put in Pence's coffee.
I'm sure Putin has some laying around.
#73 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Trump never does his own dirty work but gets underlings to do it for him for reasons of plausible deniability. Popping polonium he borrowed from Putin into Pence's coffee isn't Trump's style.

#76 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-18 06:04 AM | Reply

So....you're saying this group acted on their own accord.
#72 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

As to the murder of Mike Pence, yes (for now).

As to the broader concept of violence and trespassing to delay certification of the election results, no. And you are a complete ------- idiot for suggesting otherwise.

#77 | Posted by JOE at 2022-06-18 09:54 PM | Reply

"given them time to dig more into the ballot mess."

Except 20 months later, they still haven't found ANY "ballot mess", anywhere but Republican Fantasyland.

#78 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-06-18 10:19 PM | Reply

Excellent thread on Trump's culpability on January 6:
Indeed, the hearings have actually presented enough evidence, IMO, charge Trump with (incitement to) rebellion, 18 U.S.C. 2383, the criminal analog of what he was impeached for. The impeachment committee presented a circumstantial case, but now we have a causal link, to wit: 1/
We learned yesterday that Trump KNEW, by January 5, that Pence was *not* going to go along with the Eastman plan. But he released a statement to his supporters telling them that Pence was "on the same page" and ready to reject the slates of electors from several states 2/
This reveals not just an intention to pressure Pence, but also to psychologically prime his base -- especially the ones coming to D.C. -- and raise their expectations that Pence would overturn the election (knowing otherwise). 3/
He reinforced this expectation in his speech at the ellipse, telling the audience *repeatedly* that Pence just had to "do the right thing" and that they would all be "happy." Remember -- Pence couldn't hear that speech, that was intended for his followers. To get them riled up 4/
Having gathered this dry tinder at the ellipse, and having made them believe that Pence would deliver -- despite knowing full well he was't going to -- he sends them off to the Capitol. To repeat: HE directs them to march on the Capitol 5/
The critical piece of evidence we heard yesterday is that AFTER Trump knew that the Capitol had been breached, he tweeted out to his followers that Pence had failed them because he didn't have the "courage to do what needed to be done." He knew this would light the fire 6/
And the direct relationship was clear from yesterday's videos. Right after Trump sent the tweet, the mob reacted *directly* to it, booing Pence, and saying explicitly that that was the reason they were storming the Capitol. We know that the Proud Boys were ready to kill Pence 7/
What's important about 18 U.S.C. 2383, rebellion and insurrection, is that it carries as its penalty a prohibition from holding any office (including as president). The other crimes which have been floated, e.g. conspiracy to obstruct/defraud, don't. So it's worth considering END

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#69 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Keep in mind that congressmen and women were tweeting the location of Pelosi (and possibly others) DURING the attack.

Boebert also lead a large group on a tour of the Capitol tunnels in the days leading up to 1/6

Boebert also attended a pre 1/6/21 WH meeting, so yeah, this goes pretty deep.

#79 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-18 10:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

this goes pretty deep

Arguably, worse than 9/11.

#80 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-06-18 10:27 PM | Reply

"It's not 9/11 therefore it isn't bad" is not the stellar argument you think it is. ------.

#81 | Posted by JOE at 2022-06-18 10:30 PM | Reply

Trump was *not* being childish when he told Pence he would not be his "friend" anymore.
@MichaelCohen212 tells us Trump was putting a hit on Pence using the coded language of the Mob.

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#82 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-18 11:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#82

I saw that vid at their YT channel the other day. Cohen was Trump Org VP for 12 years is yet another mouthbreather, really, but he's right about this.

Don Trump of the Trump Org Mafia speaks the John Gotti Crime Boss language, and he was talking it to Spence.

Maybe he's a reformed mouthbreather, lol.

#83 | Posted by Corky at 2022-06-18 11:14 PM | Reply

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