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Friday, June 17, 2022

Court documents filed in federal court Wednesday in the case against extremist group Proud Boys detailed plans to occupy buildings at the on Capitol Hill on Jan. 6, 2021, for what it called "free and fair elections."

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...The nine-page document[1] was filed as part of a recent motion made by one of Enrique Tarrio's co-defendants. Tarrio, 38, and four others were indicted last week on seditious conspiracy charges in the attack. Five people died in connection with the riots and more than 100 police officers sustained injuries. ...

1- 1776 returns ( drive.google.com PDF )


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-06-16 11:23 AM | Reply

As more and more evidence is revealed, the excuses and rationalizations attempting to deflect away from the insurrection attempt are melting away.

It is going to be rather difficult going forward to proffer the "rationale" that the insurrection attempt was just a spontaneous tourist event.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-06-16 11:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Russian bots will still post the same tired crap here every day.

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-06-16 11:27 AM | Reply

fwiw, that PDF is six pages and worth a read, imo.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-06-16 11:37 AM | Reply

#4
Absolutely - thx for the prod.

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-06-16 12:05 PM | Reply

Frick!

The title "1776 Returns" is one thing, but then "Storm the Winter Palace"?
That's clearly a reference to the Bolsheviks breaking in and "arresting" those in Government.
What a thing to aspire and use.

I haven't even gotten past the cover page.

This'll be interesting.

#6 | Posted by YAV at 2022-06-16 12:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#4 ... that PDF is six pages ...

Nine pages, not six. Oops.

Still worth the read. :)


#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-06-16 12:59 PM | Reply

Definitely worth the read. This is all out seditious conspiracy in their own words and plans. The details are incredible to read. Everything covered, contingencies if the lead is taken out, the Hypeman to stir and direct the crowd, using what Trump and his rally whipped up, as a weapon. Even starting at dawn on Jan 6th.

It is a full out assault plan to take out those in government that would exercise their legal duties and to overthrow the election.

All based on the Big Lie. Love to Rand Paula and Ron DeSantis - (and I just threw up in the back of my throat.)

It's a very short 9 pages. Everyone should read it. Damn!

#8 | Posted by YAV at 2022-06-16 01:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#8 ... This is all out seditious conspiracy in their own words and plans. ...

As the DoJ moves up the ladder, I am wondering about any communications that may have occurred between those who wrote this document and were directing the Proud Boys, and those holed up in the Willard Hotel's Trump team command center.


#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-06-16 02:18 PM | Reply

DEATH TO TRAITORS

#10 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-06-16 02:26 PM | Reply

"This is all out seditious conspiracy in their own words and plans. The details are incredible to read. Everything covered"

Where does this document tell them to storm the US Capitol building?

Where does this document tell them to arrest/detain members of congress?

What I see are potential targets of all the House and senate office buildings if they have at least 50 there get inside and demand a new election.

I'm not defending anything these people did but I'm trying to determine from this document how it ended up the way it did.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2022-06-16 03:06 PM | Reply

Ever hear of the "fog of war" zippy?

#12 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-06-16 03:59 PM | Reply

@#11 ... Where does this document tell them to storm the US Capitol building? ...

Part 2 - Execution. (on page 4)

...While the word "storm" is not used, having the crowd "full and ready to go," "open the doors for the crowd to enter" and "masses to rush the building" are a bit of a giveaway....

1:30PM (page 7)

...Wait for signal from lead, storm building....



#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-06-16 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I know but where does it reference storming the "US Capitol Building"?

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2022-06-16 05:07 PM | Reply

You are ------- hopeless.

#15 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-06-16 05:50 PM | Reply

Eberly, you poor child.

Just read the thing.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-16 05:53 PM | Reply

16

or you could.

and who is posting here I can't see?

Is it speakstupid or legallyretarded?

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2022-06-16 06:03 PM | Reply

@#14 ... I know but where does it reference storming the "US Capitol Building"? ...

The article headline just says, "Capitol," not US Capitol Building.

The article cited says "buildings on Capitol Hill" not US Capitol Building.

Where did you get that this document was saying they were going to storm/occupy the US Capitol Building?



#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-06-16 07:57 PM | Reply

Where does this document tell them to storm the US Capitol building?
Where does this document tell them to arrest/detain members of congress?
What I see are potential targets of all the House and senate office buildings if they have at least 50 there get inside and demand a new election.
I'm not defending anything these people did but I'm trying to determine from this document how it ended up the way it did.
#11 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I'm speculating here, but maybe they went to the US Capitol building because Trump told them to go there in his speech. He even said he would be joining them. Many of the insurrections are on video telling the cops, Our president told us to come here. As to the violence, I'm speculating here as well, but Trump and several of the other rally speakers told them to "fight like hell" and words to that effect. IOW, don't just go and passively occupy some buildings, go the Capitol and raise holy hell. It could also be that a kind of mob mentality took over once the the speeches and the propaganda film* shown at the Ellipse on January 6 had had their effect on the crowd:

*"The message of the video is clear. America's glory has been betrayed by treachery and division sown by politicians seeking to undermine and destroy the nation. To save the nation, one must restore Trump's rule."
www.justsecurity.org

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-16 09:19 PM | Reply

The point is to capture the government - and the Congressional members (House and Senate) are scattered in all the buildings called out in this document. Eberly unintentionally points out the amount of intel and reconnaissance the Proud Boys did, and how thoroughly they understood what the true targets were. They also worked in conjunction with the whipped up "normies" using them as a tool in their planned assault. Eberly's assumption that the Capitol was the target is an assumption that that was what was relevant in the plot. It was, but only part of the broader plan.

I don't know how you can read this document and not see layers and layers of planning, tactics, and the strategy in it.

#20 | Posted by YAV at 2022-06-16 09:28 PM | Reply

#11 According to Marcy Wheeler, who has been closely following the 1/6 cases out of DOJ, this 1776 plan was not Tarrio's plan. It was shared with him, but it wasn't Tarrio's plan, and by extension, the Proud Boys plan. It could be his/their plan was the one Trump instigated on January 6th and was indeed carried out:

The document is disturbing and in some way reflects the plan to occupy the Capitol achieved during the insurrection on January 6. And it is evidence reflecting Tarrio's --though not necessarily Rehl's--motive. But it is not Tarrio's plan.

One area where the plan most closely matches the one ultimately implemented by the Proud Boys was in timing: The mob was supposed to meet at 1PM, then an assessment would be made at 1:22PM if "enough people are around?," then at 1:30, "Wait for sign from lead, storm the building." Compare that timeline to this one put together by the Sedition Hunters. Both, importantly, were tied to the vote certification, not Trump's speech.

The plan appears to have been developed by one or another of the "patriot" groups, which were separate from but with which the Proud Boys had some ties (and, at least in the case of some "Patriots" from Texas, fundraising ties). DOJ has only charged individual pairs of such rioters with conspiracy, even though there was a larger network passing such plans back and forth.

But this was their plan, not the Proud Boys' plan.


www.emptywheel.net

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-16 09:30 PM | Reply

"They also worked in conjunction with the whipped up "normies" using them as a tool in their planned assault."

Yes, I actually wrote this originally but then changed "normies" to "crowd":

"It could also be that a kind of mob mentality took over once the the speeches and the propaganda film* shown at the Ellipse on January 6 had had their effect on the "normies":

"I don't know how you can read this document and not see layers and layers of planning, tactics, and the strategy in it."

It seems there were a number of groups, sometimes closely, sometimes more loosely working together: the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, the 3% as well as offshoots and spin offs of these i.e. various "patriot" groups.

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-16 09:39 PM | Reply

#22 - all coordinated from the Willard hotel I'd bet.

#23 | Posted by YAV at 2022-06-17 07:54 AM | Reply

#22 I hope the committee comes through with this claim:

NEW: Raskin tells CNN that we WILL learn who the "backchannel" was between the proud boys and the White House.

twitter.com

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-17 08:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#23 ... all coordinated from the Willard hotel I'd bet. ...

That is my thought as well.

I mean, I'd proffer that the reason the Trump people camped out at the Willard Hotel wasn't because they liked the breakfast special that the hotel offers.

It looks like they actively set up a control center at the hotel.

Why? How long before Jan 6 did they make the reservations at the hotel?


#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-06-17 12:30 PM | Reply

@#22 ... It seems there were a number of groups, sometimes closely, sometimes more loosely working together: the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, the 3% as well as offshoots and spin offs of these i.e. various "patriot" groups. ...

Yup. The number of different groups apparently working together is an important point.

Who was coordinating those different groups?

When were the reservations for the Trump-friendly control room in the Willard Hotel made?

#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-06-17 07:43 PM | Reply

Treason durning a time of war(Afghanistan) is a capital offense. The Proud sissy fascist should be taken out and shot or hung. Maybe mix it up a little bit.

#27 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2022-06-18 08:31 PM | Reply

Proud Boys Led Major Breaches of Capitol on Jan. 6, Video Investigation Finds

A monthslong Times investigation using court documents, text messages and videos reveals how teams of Proud Boys instigated critical breaches of the Capitol on Jan. 6.

drudge.com

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-18 09:46 PM | Reply

Treason durning [sic] a time of war(Afghanistan) is a capital offense.

Did these idiots "lev[y] war" against the US? Did these idiots "adhere[] to" that enemy? No. Thus no Treason. www.law.cornell.edu

#29 | Posted by et_al at 2022-06-18 10:24 PM | Reply

Did these idiots "lev[y] war" against the US? Did these idiots "adhere[] to" that enemy? No. Thus no Treason. www.law.cornell.edu

#29 | POSTED BY ET_AL
One can argue that trying to overthrow a legally elected government makes you an enemy.
Yes?

#30 | Posted by a_monson at 2022-06-18 10:43 PM | Reply

#30

It appears to be that the current fav law stuff term night be, "seditious conspiracy".

Which appears pretty obvious even at this early point.

Which means we might get around to something worse in time.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2022-06-18 10:52 PM | Reply

#30

For Treason purposes, "enemy" means one with whom we are essentially in a shooting war. Rebellion and insurrection are not "war." www.law.cornell.edu

Seditious conspiracy is the worst charge for a select few. There will be no Treason charges.

#32 | Posted by et_al at 2022-06-18 11:50 PM | Reply

Seditious conspiracy is the worst charge for a select few. There will be no Treason charges.
#32 | POSTED BY ET_AL

Completely agree. Yet that does not mitigate the significance, just affords limitations to the appropriate descriptor of 'enemy.'

#33 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-06-19 01:48 AM | Reply

#33

Can you clarify somewhat? Might not mitigate what significance[s]? What limitations are afforded which appropriate descriptor[s] of "enemy?"

#34 | Posted by et_al at 2022-06-19 04:03 AM | Reply

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