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Friday, June 17, 2022

The vast majority of U.S. adults believe in god, but the 81% who do so is down six percentage points from 2017 and is the lowest in Gallup's trend. Between 1944 and 2011, more than 90% of Americans believed in god. Only 68% of those 18-29 years old believe in a god.

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God believes in you.

#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-06-17 09:33 AM | Reply

Which one?

#2 | Posted by qcp at 2022-06-17 09:47 AM | Reply

All of us.

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-06-17 10:29 AM | Reply

Isn't that the same age bracket in which the number one jobs they want is social media influencer?

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-17 10:47 AM | Reply

Why believe in a God that required his son to be killed so he could get his jollies by punishing someone for his declared sins. Makes no sense to me.

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-06-17 10:58 AM | Reply

It's kind of obvious what people are non religious for logical reasons and which ones have emotional reasons. For example somebody who feels they should have been born the opposite gender may have a personal issue with God.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-17 11:15 AM | Reply

- Only 68%

'Member when that used to be a vast majority?

What's taken a toll on these polls in recent years is the same thing that the historical Jesus found when he got to Jerusalem; hypocrites among the priesthood who were more interested in money and "rules" than they were God.

Of course, he braided up a whip out of leather strips and ran their arses out of the Temple.

Which should be a lesson to like-minded Christians these days.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2022-06-17 12:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#5

i.imgur.com

#8 | Posted by qcp at 2022-06-17 01:27 PM | Reply

#3, I meant which god. We've invented thousands of them.

#9 | Posted by qcp at 2022-06-17 01:28 PM | Reply

Horus help us.

#10 | Posted by kudzu at 2022-06-17 02:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Not low enough.

The faster people stop trying to please sky daddy the better.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2022-06-18 12:38 AM | Reply

People can believe in yogurt as a god for all I care- just don't try to rope me into your faith. Do whatever you want in your home and house of worship. The outside world should be kept quiet for all. Too bad many faiths can't STFU.

#12 | Posted by Brennnn at 2022-06-18 01:31 AM | Reply

I'll bet a lot more people are atheists but just won't admit it.

#13 | Posted by RJSquirrel at 2022-06-18 06:39 AM | Reply

There is no supernatural old guy on a cloud. The word God is a symbol, like the words Santa Claus, it is about a symbol for a thought, a unifying image.
Is Santa Claus real? Sure, if you are talking about the spirit of people, a common people on a common journey. Otherwise, you are deluded and yes, those who pretend the reality of a thought are deluded. I don't care if they are the majority. You cannot worship at the false altar of a fake god and still be able to be open to the reality of the true spirit of the people, reality.

#14 | Posted by Hughmass at 2022-06-18 07:10 AM | Reply

"Why believe in a God that required his son to be killed so he could get his jollies by punishing someone for his declared sins. Makes no sense to me."

People with persecution complexes often believe in strange things. It's a defense mechanism to cope with how they perceive the world/universe is treating them.

#15 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-06-18 07:55 AM | Reply

" those who pretend the reality of a thought are deluded."

Thoughts are not real?

#16 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-06-18 08:50 AM | Reply

I'm of a mind that people are done with religion more so than "god".

If you follow the word god back to the Hebrew, you find the word ELohim. In Hebrew, the word is non-gender specific and it's plural. Religion has twisted everything within their power to manipulate and control people and its rapidly decaying because people are exhausted and their minda are left unfed by that nonsense. To know god, one must know thyself and self awareness is almost extinct.

#17 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-06-18 09:43 AM | Reply

God believes in you.

#1 | POSTED BY LEGALLYYOURDEAD

Good. Then I don't have to believe in any god as long as one still believes in me.

And if there really is a god in charge of all this then I just have to hope that He She It will forgive me if I don't get it the first time around.

After all it's only fair ... my moment in the sun is a whole lot shorter than a god's time. And I am supposed to figure out the universe and the gods and everything in 80 years or more or even less?

A true god would know and completely understand the "human condition".

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-06-18 10:52 AM | Reply

Atheists do tell us how much better trump was than any of his Christian predecessors.

I'll wait.

#19 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-18 11:29 AM | Reply

#17

I would agree. Personally I have mostly considered myself a Christian, although a bad one I don't go to church or follow an established branch; because to me most of what church is about these days doesn't seem to have much to do with what my understanding of Christianity is.

I ran into this guy a couple years ago (you meet a broad range of people fixing fireplaces) www.amazon.com
While I don't go to his church and I don't follow him like a pastor I do read his blog and tweets on occasion and feel like he's about the closest to expressing my views on Christianity I've seen. I suspect if more churches ran with his message that 18-29 group would be higher than 68%.

#20 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2022-06-18 11:51 AM | Reply

#19 Who voted for Trump? Tell me what that says about their discernment?

I'll wait.

#21 | Posted by bored at 2022-06-18 12:31 PM | Reply

Having passed the 1 million mark of covid deaths it's fair to say Trump was the worst President ever.

Ever since we figured out how communicable disease worked Presidents have taken the airborne ones seriously.

Then along came Trump the Godless feckless fraudulent monstrosity.

#22 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-18 12:34 PM | Reply

Drop in people who dont believe in God.

Rise in people/teens willing to do mass shootings.

Correlation?

#23 | Posted by boaz at 2022-06-18 12:47 PM | Reply

Still nope, boaz.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2022-06-18 01:19 PM | Reply

Drop in people who dont believe in God.

Global rise in temperatures.

Correlation?

#25 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-06-18 01:20 PM | Reply

"Correlation?"

Possibly.

self centered people.

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-18 01:23 PM | Reply

Still staggeringly high, for a thing with no proof and no reason to exist.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-18 01:37 PM | Reply

"Correlation?"

Only if there's also a correlation in countries with larger percentages of atheists.

(Checks facts)

Nope.

#28 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-06-18 01:38 PM | Reply

Drop in people who dont believe in God.
Rise in people/teens willing to do mass shootings.

^
Loving guns this much makes you stupid.

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Number of Atheists and Agnostics - Cambridge University Press (2004 data):
China - 103,907,840 " 181,838,720
India - 102,870,000
Japan - 81,493,120 " 82,766,450
Vietnam - 66,978,900
Russia - 34,507,680 " 69,015,360
Germany - 33,794,250 " 40,388,250
France - 25,982,320 " 32,628,960
United Kingdom - 18,684,010 " 26,519,240
South Korea - 14,579,400 " 25,270,960
Ukraine - 9,546,400
worldpopulationreview.com

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-18 01:41 PM | Reply

We could do very well without the white "God-fearing" Christians who think they need assault weapons to defend themselves.

#30 | Posted by Jaspar at 2022-06-18 02:17 PM | Reply

Someone once said ... "you can be a good parent without being religious, and you can be religious without being a good parent."

The shooter in the Texas tower, Charles Whitman, was raised as a devout Catholic who went to Mass with his mother, served as an altar boy, went to parochial school and later became an Eagle Scout. Still, on Aug. 1, 1966, he shot 15 random strangers from the top of a tower at the University of Texas.

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-06-18 02:29 PM | Reply

#31 That's a tough example because he had a growth in his brain which made him violent.

(Unless you're making the point that even if you believe in G-d, He will still turn you into a mass murderer if He sees fit.)

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-18 02:38 PM | Reply

"That's a tough example because he had a growth in his brain which made him violent."

There has to be some dividing point after which people with severe mental issues can not be considered members of an ideology.

I don't know what it is but there has to be one.

#33 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-18 03:29 PM | Reply

"There has to be some dividing point after which people with severe mental issues can not be considered members of an ideology."

You're over thinking it.

Charles Whitman wasn't shooting because of his ideology.

Unlike, say, school shooters.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-18 03:35 PM | Reply

Some people would say Witman was a Catholic and his actions are a demonstration of Catholic immorality.

Some school shooters have motives that make sense even if I don't agree with them.

Others are clearly motivated by mental illness and nothing else.

#35 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-18 03:43 PM | Reply

"Some people would say Witman was a Catholic and his actions are a demonstration of Catholic immorality."

Whatever.

Whoever says that is full of ----.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-18 03:45 PM | Reply

The idea that Christians are morally superior to those with other belief systems is the root of Christian depravity.

When I was growing up, that was a huge turn off for me. But I grew up on a reservation, where, up until around 50 years ago, the "black robes" tooks native kids away from their parents to be "educated". That's all over, but the tribe is still finding graves.

My parents didn't raise me to be religious. I didn't raise my kids to be religious. We're all the better off for it, imo.

#37 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-06-18 04:24 PM | Reply

Natives and people who grew up on a rez have some of the most complex relationships with Christianity.

There's a Native man who comes to my church prettify regularly in December but I suspect he refuses to go near a church the month of November because he hates thanksgiving.

#38 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-18 04:40 PM | Reply

#29

China's number one? Great example.

#39 | Posted by LEGALLYDORKY at 2022-06-18 08:39 PM | Reply

"That's a tough example because he had a growth in his brain which made him violent."

Pretty sure a god in charge of creating the universe would also be in charge of creating tumors and such.

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-06-18 08:44 PM | Reply

Pretty sure a God who gave free will rather than creating robots is a better person than most of his creations.

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2022-06-18 08:49 PM | Reply

God didn't give free will, the fruit did.

#42 | Posted by boaz at 2022-06-19 12:00 AM | Reply

time.com no god or ancient ideas to make nomads feel better are needed for morality. BTW anyone ever look up the folks that followed the book of Judas. He made every man the son of god, funny that they cut that out.

#43 | Posted by Brennnn at 2022-06-19 12:21 AM | Reply

Evangelical Christians have ruined Christianity, acting like Torquemada instead of the namesake of the religion.

#44 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-06-19 12:29 AM | Reply

God didn't give free will, the fruit did.

Boy George? Whod'a thunk?

#45 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-06-19 12:42 AM | Reply

They could only eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil because... wait for it, Major B... they already had free will to do so. They didn't get that from either tree; they were created with it.

They had only one job... don't eat either of the two fruits! They had everything else; the animals didn't harm them, they had abundant free food. And abundant God-designed free sex.

Then after they took some bad advice, they had to get out of Dodge, I mean the Garden, before they used their free will to eat the fruit of eternal life and piss off the rest of the galaxies forever!

Which second fruit their children's children's children have got another bite at.

This is theology 101 stuff.

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2022-06-19 02:13 AM | Reply

"The various modes of worship which prevailed in the Roman world were all considered by the people as equally true; by the philosopher as equally false; and by the magistrate as equally useful."
Edward Gibbon
The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire

#47 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-06-19 05:02 AM | Reply

Maybe the feeling is mutual.

#48 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-19 07:11 AM | Reply

God didn't give free will, the fruit did.
#42 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Who made the fruit?

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-19 11:29 AM | Reply

China's number one? Great example.
#39 | POSTED BY LEGALLYDORKY

Thanks.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-19 11:32 AM | Reply

Snoofy I think we all know at this point never to trust numbers coming out of china.

#51 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-19 11:35 AM | Reply

Then ignore the numbers coming out of China.

That still leaves nine countries with lots of atheists that don't have school shootings like we do.

You can't possibly be so dumb you're agreeing with Boaz's #23.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-19 11:37 AM | Reply

That India has a lot of atheists isn't a surprise it has the third largest population on the planet.

next.

#53 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-19 11:49 AM | Reply

Look at Japan. That's well over half the population of Japan. Ever heard of school shootings in Japan?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-19 12:23 PM | Reply

The Bible is a work of fiction, it wasn't meant to be anything more than guidelines to live a good life.

But, it became a way to separate and divide people. A method of controlling people. A justification and reason to kill people.

Modern day conservatives use the Bible to justify their hate and bigotry.

Jesus would be proud.

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-06-19 12:33 PM | Reply

Who made the fruit?

POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-06-19 11:29 AM | REPLY

Dole

#56 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-06-19 01:07 PM | Reply

#52 so Snoofy wants us to be like Russia.

#57 | Posted by LEGALLYDORKY at 2022-06-19 01:44 PM | Reply

Who made the fruit?

POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-06-19 11:29 AM | REPLY

Possibly another god. The scripture tells you there's more than one

"Let US create man in OUR image and in OUR likeness.

#58 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-06-19 01:47 PM | Reply

"Snoofy wants us to be like Russia"

No, Snoofy's just pointing out other, more-athiestic countries have LESS gun violence than the US...so Boaz's theory it's the drawback from religion doesn't pass the smell test.
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#59 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-06-19 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Snoofy wants us to be like Russia"

He wants us to be like communist China.

#60 | Posted by willowby at 2022-06-19 02:28 PM | Reply

C. S. Lewis - What Are We to Make of Jesus Christ?

www.youtube.com

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2022-06-19 02:44 PM | Reply

Clown,

"Jesus would be proud."

I tend to agree that Jesus would be pleased that after 2000 years there are so many believers.

He wouldn't be surprised at all at the evil in the world and the way money has corrupted.

I think He might be angry at those who think themselves qualified to judge in His name.

#62 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-19 03:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Look at Japan?

" or "

next.

#63 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-19 03:53 PM | Reply

Looks like this site doesn't like Japanese."

Hikikomori" look into that.

#64 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-19 03:54 PM | Reply

" I think He might be angry at those who think themselves qualified to judge in His name."

Like when you told Laura you wouldn't see her in the afterlife?

Or something different?

#65 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-06-19 05:49 PM | Reply

Dan,

"Like when you told Laura you wouldn't see her in the afterlife?"

Find that post and share it.

Also, provide the context. I'm no saint and if Laura was provoking me and making personal attacks I don't know what I would say.

However, regardless as a Christian the whole premise is you either accept Jesus Christ or you don't.

If you don't there are consequences.

Dan.....I do not like your little game. I don't have to play it and I won't.

You are number 3.

#66 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-19 07:26 PM | Reply

" Find that post and share it."

I'm not sure of the wording. I do remember being stunned when you posted it, since it's clear blasphemy.

"Also, provide the context. I'm no saint and if Laura was provoking me and making personal attacks I don't know what I would say."

So, you didn't say it ... but you might've. Got it.

"You're number 3"

You've lied every other time you said you weren't going to speak to me again. Why should I or anyone else believe you now?

#67 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-06-19 07:32 PM | Reply

No, Snoofy's just pointing out other, more-athiestic countries have LESS gun violence than the US...so Boaz's theory it's the drawback from religion doesn't pass the smell test.
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#59 | Posted by Danforth

Christianity has been responsible for millions upon millions of deaths in North and South America since the 16th Century; indigenous natives wiped out by diseases conquistadors brought with them, those enslaved by Spaniards who died, and untold numbers of others simply slaughtered by Spaniards, who felt righteous doing it all because they were 'savages' and God was on their side.

That's just Central and South America.

And that's not counting the untold numbers who were killed on the 'rack,' burned at the stake, hung, or drawn and quartered at the direction of the Office of The Inquisition ... all in the name of "God."

#68 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-06-19 08:57 PM | Reply

"Christians" who rant against societies turning away from "Christianity" rarely practice the "Christ" part.

Leviticus rules. Or Paul, who never even knew Christ in His lifetime.

#69 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-06-19 08:59 PM | Reply

American,

What about the positive things Christianity has brought to civilization?

#70 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-19 09:34 PM | Reply

The lack of Christianity lead to Trump's nomination.

#71 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-19 10:15 PM | Reply

What about the positive things Christianity has brought to civilization?

Like bazillions of dollars of tax free cash?

#72 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-06-19 10:17 PM | Reply

Like ivy league universities, an amazing number of hospitals, in a series of social safety nets that eventually gave rise to welfare and other social services.

Lincoln himself said that his decision to announce the Emancipation Proclamation was the result of divine intervention.

#73 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-19 10:38 PM | Reply

American,

What about the positive things Christianity has brought to civilization?

#70 | Posted by BillJohnson

Like social safety nets, school lunches, children's health care?

All things Republicans, who've used evangelical "Christians" to win elections, say we can't afford so we can give huge tax credits and cuts to people who don't need them.

Recall the parable of the beggar, Lazarus, who lived outside the rich man's gates? The rich man wasn't going to Heaven, according to the namesake of Christianity. Or the rich man who wanted to follow Jesus, who told him to give everything he had to the poor?

Evangelical Christians have distorted the tenets of Christianity until it isn't recognizable as based on the tenets of the man whose words they so easily poo poo by quoting Leviticus or Paul, who never even knew Christ, whenever Christ's words are inconvenient.

What the conquistadors - whose expeditions were almost entirely privately funded, money-seeking expeditions, not explorations - brought were murder, enslavement, and disease to the indigenous people they conquered. They used Christianity to justify it all, when in fact it was simply men seeking power and wealth.

#74 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-06-20 05:32 AM | Reply

BILL

Read Matthew 25: 31-end. It's a test.

#75 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-06-20 05:33 AM | Reply

American,

Ok. I read it.

#76 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-20 07:10 AM | Reply

American,

Is there anything other than getting free stuff about Christianity you think is good?

Do you think there is any intrinsic value Christianity has brought to civilization other than doing good deeds?

Did Jesus only teach us to feed the poor?

The problem with that is anyone can feed the poor but that doesn't make them a Christian.

#77 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-20 08:52 AM | Reply

The problem with that is anyone can feed the poor but that doesn't make them a Christian.

#77 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Word play.

Feed the poor and you feed Jesus. That's what the Man said.

#78 | Posted by Zed at 2022-06-20 10:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Zed,

The merits of helping other people was not my question.

I asked something else and I'm not going down this rabbit hole.

#79 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-20 11:43 AM | Reply

The problem with that is anyone can feed the poor but that doesn't make them a Christian.

#77 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

The problem is most modern day "christians" worship a cult leader who embodies the opposite of all christ's teachings.

#80 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-06-20 12:08 PM | Reply

" Did Jesus only teach us to feed the poor?"

No. He also taught visiting the imprisoned, healing the sick, and welcoming the stranger.

All foreign concepts to today's Republicans.

#81 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-06-20 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The downside to believing in God is thinking God could make this a better world and doesn't.

#82 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-20 03:01 PM | Reply

Another day obvious downside to believing in God(s) is that believing in absurdities makes it easier for you to commit atrocities.

#83 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-06-20 03:07 PM | Reply

The downside to believing in God is thinking God could make this a better world and doesn't.

#82 | Posted by BillJohnson

The downside to believing in god is how it primes your brain to believe in other nonsense like trump's patriotism, trickle down economics, jewish space lasers, 2020 election fraud, or Qanon.

#84 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-06-20 03:20 PM | Reply

Yeah... it's almost like knowing for certain that God does not exist, and could not possibly exist.

Actual Christians profess belief, hope, and faith, not certain knowledge.

One might almost think that Uncle Joe Stalin must have been a Christian to murder all the Russians, and others, that he did, and not an atheist.

Or Mao, or Pol Pot... all good Christians apparently.

#85 | Posted by Corky at 2022-06-20 03:27 PM | Reply

What about the positive things Christianity has brought to civilization?
#70 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Such as?

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-20 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donner,

If you don't believe in God why does anything matter?

It's only an "atrocity" if you have some sort of value system.

#87 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-20 03:34 PM | Reply

"It's only an "atrocity" if you have some sort of value system."

Why do you believe folks can't have values unless they're religious?

#88 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-06-20 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

nothing says "values" like a trump vote.

#89 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-06-20 03:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you don't believe in God why does anything matter?

It's only an "atrocity" if you have some sort of value system.

#87 | Posted by BillJohnson

In other words, your little brain can't imagine having any values without your religion.

In other other words, you can't behave yourself without the threat of hell or reward of heaven. You need to be controlled like a child with treats and punishments.

#90 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-06-20 05:09 PM | Reply

#90 That criticism makes no sense. So, if a person is motivated to act and behave in a moral fashion because he wishes to go to heaven when he dies that somehow "discredits" his morality?

#91 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-06-20 05:23 PM | Reply

"So, if a person is motivated to act and behave in a moral fashion because he wishes to go to heaven when he dies that somehow "discredits" his morality?"

I would say it discredits the morality of whoever is blackmailing him with eternity in the lake of fire.

Unless the person is a known psychopath, and the only way to get them to behave is promises about the afterlife. Still, seems like a big investment, and for what? Who wants to keep psychopaths a part of society?

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-20 05:29 PM | Reply

A lack of Christianity allowed Trump to be nominated.

Not being Christian clearly allows immorality.

#93 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-20 05:34 PM | Reply

#90 That criticism makes no sense. So, if a person is motivated to act and behave in a moral fashion because he wishes to go to heaven when he dies that somehow "discredits" his morality?

#91 | Posted by BellRinger

Yes. Because he's ACTING moral in exchange for a reward or to avoid a punishment. Not BEING moral because he's naturally inspired to do the right thing.

#94 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-06-20 05:42 PM | Reply

Donating to the needy because God says you should in order to get into heaven is not nearly as altruistic as donating to the needy because they are in need, full stop.

Pretty cut and dry for me, always has been.

#95 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-06-20 05:59 PM | Reply

#93 | POSTED BY TOR

You sound like one of those looney Republicans:

www.newsweek.com

"If only EVERYONE were Christian, none of this would be happening."

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

#96 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-06-20 06:01 PM | Reply

For many:

"The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult; and left untried."

#97 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-20 06:04 PM | Reply

#94 So it matters how one gets there?

If a person conducts himself in a moral fashion that is good enough for me. I don't care what the reasoning is.

#98 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-06-20 06:07 PM | Reply

#94 So it matters how one gets there?

If a person conducts himself in a moral fashion that is good enough for me. I don't care what the reasoning is.

#98 | Posted by BellRinger

If you believe in christianity, yes. It matters what is in your heart. Not if you're being good because you're being coerced into it.

If you dont beleive in christianity, fine. But you dont get to claim to be morally superior when you're only ACTING moral in exchange for a reward.

An atheist who gives to charity anonymously is morally superior to a christian who does it to buy his way into heaven, or a billionaire who does it to get his name on a building or get a tax writeoff.

#99 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-06-20 06:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

An atheist who gives to charity anonymously is morally superior to a christian who does it to buy his way into heaven, or a billionaire who does it to get his name on a building or get a tax writeoff.
#99 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Yup.

Swallow it, BELLRINGER.

#100 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-06-20 07:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

An act of charity is an act of charity. If a Christian and an atheist each donate $100 to a homeless shelter the atheist's donation doesn't have more purchasing power. Further, you are truly ignorant about Christianity if you believe Christians engage in moral acts because they want to "bribe their way into heaven."

#101 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-06-20 07:31 PM | Reply

you are truly ignorant about Christianity if you believe Christians engage in moral acts because they want to "bribe their way into heaven."

#101 | Posted by BellRinger

More often they're trying to buy their way out of hell.

#102 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-06-20 07:37 PM | Reply

A lack of Christianity allowed Trump to be nominated.
Not being Christian clearly allows immorality.
#93 | POSTED BY TOR

Says who?
Trump identifies as a Christian.
So do millions of his followers.

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-20 07:38 PM | Reply

Is a Christian who doesn't provide charity in fear of not making it into heaven? I mean tithing is still a thing in some Christian circles, yes?

I wouldn't know, being a recovering catholic for 24 years, things may have changed.

#104 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-06-20 07:40 PM | Reply

More often they're trying to buy their way out of hell.
#102 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

It's like no one here understands Christianity.

You only need to accept Christ, and all will be forgiven, and gates of heaven will open.

whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him" (John 3:36). Faith in Christ is the key to going to heaven.

That's it... How do you people not know this?

#105 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-06-20 07:52 PM | Reply

"An act of charity is an act of charity."

Not from God's perspective:

Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 2 Corinthians 9:7

Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. Matthew 6:2

As Jesus looked up, he saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. "Truly I tell you," he said, "this poor widow has put in more than all the others. All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth, but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on." Luke 21:1-4

#106 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-20 07:54 PM | Reply

" If a Christian and an atheist each donate $100 to a homeless shelter the atheist's donation doesn't have more purchasing power. "

Okay...but if one did it out of the goodness of their heart, and the other did it for the sake of the reward...

...you don't see a difference?

#107 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-06-20 08:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I ran into this guy a couple years ago (you meet a broad range of people fixing fireplaces) www.amazon.com
While I don't go to his church and I don't follow him like a pastor I do read his blog and tweets on occasion and feel like he's about the closest to expressing my views on Christianity I've seen. I suspect if more churches ran with his message that 18-29 group would be higher than 68%."

Cool that you met him. I occasionally read his tweets and blog posts as well.

twitter.com

#108 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-20 08:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Speak,

"In other words, your little brain can't imagine having any values without your religion."

What's funny is how western society has been so influenced by Christian values, atheists have appropriated them as their own.

#109 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-20 09:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#108

Think I heard of his book recently somewhere... 'If God is Love, Don't Be a Jerk'.

Pretty good title!

#110 | Posted by Corky at 2022-06-20 09:17 PM | Reply

That's it... How do you people not know this?

#105 | Posted by oneironaut

So all the supposed "christians" who worship trump- the opposite of everything christ ever taught - are just going to say JUST KIDDING! I DIDNT MEAN ANY OF IT! I'm ready to be good now!" on their death beds and go to heaven? You think god will fall for that?

#111 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-06-20 09:22 PM | Reply

What's funny is how western society has been so influenced by Christian values, atheists have appropriated them as their own.

#109 | Posted by BillJohnson

What's really funny is how republicans have appropriated christianity to make christians ignore everything jesus ever said and obsess over things he never mentioned.

#112 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-06-20 09:23 PM | Reply

What's funny is how western society has been so influenced by Christian values, atheists have appropriated them as their own.

#109 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2022-06-20 09:15 PM | REPLY

Your arrogance and ignorance is showing.

#113 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-06-20 09:24 PM | Reply

Is anyone really dumb enough to believe trump is a christian simply because he says he is?

#114 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-20 09:40 PM | Reply

Speak,

I've never liked mixing politics and religion.

Neither function fully and both compromise themselves.

#115 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-20 09:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Tor,

Trump tried to show respect for Christians but I doubt many thought he was a true believer.

#116 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-20 09:42 PM | Reply

Is anyone really dumb enough to believe trump is a christian simply because he says he is?

Not everyone can read the bible upside down.

#117 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-06-20 09:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

One,

"It's like no one here understands Christianity.
You only need to accept Christ, and all will be forgiven, and gates of heaven will open."

Why does it sound like satire when you say it?

#118 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-06-20 09:47 PM | Reply

Trump praised christianity in public and had a good laugh in private.

reportedly atheists were very upset when they realized he's one of them.

#119 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-20 09:57 PM | Reply

#109 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

What's so funny about society evolving away from the myths and fairy tales associated with Abrahamic religions and holding onto the good stuff?

What's actually funny are Christians claiming basic moral structures are solely associated with Christianity when Christianity simply copied moral structures from numerous archaic religions that died out centuries before Christ even walked the Earth. Chit, even Christ's divinity story was copied from archaic religions.

IOW, Christianity certainly is not the only avenue to a moral existence. Atheists using Christianity's, and other religions', moral structures is not a nod to Christianity but a coincidence levied by time and place.

#120 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-06-20 09:57 PM | Reply

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