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Monday, June 20, 2022

Eric Schlosser: A look at the grim scenarios -- and the U.S. playbook for each



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The world gives Putin a week to surrender himself in a neutral country during which we place armies on every Russian border and prepare them to march on Moscow.

#1 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-20 05:46 PM | Reply

What If Russia Uses Nuclear Weapons in Ukraine?

We won't even need nuclear weapons to destroy whatever is left of Russian army and Black Sea Navy.

It will take NATO+ (Coalition of the Willing?) less than two weeks to mop up the remnats of the ragtag of unmotivated Russian force and supply routes.

At this point the Russian Army has proved itself to be less capable than Saddam's then-world's 4th largest army in 2003... And NATO+ is far more capable today than 20 years ago.

That's why Putin and his band of "Baghdad Bobs" keep talking and reminding us about their nukes because they know they can't use them. Also, maybe they don't realize it, but just talking about "potentially" using nuclear weapons is an admission of weakness - that they can't win against a hugely outmatched country with conventional forces. And that's why Pentagon doesn't talk about it much.

They are already rapidly losing their very lucrative arms sales and reputation. "Russia's botched invasion of Ukraine has been a public relations disaster for the world's second-largest exporter of weaponry. Plentiful images of exploded Russian tanks " their turrets ejected and abandoned in fields " a reportedly high failure rate for some Russian precision-guided missiles and the embarrassing loss of the supposedly upgraded flagship cruiser Moskva in the Black Sea are poor advertisements for military prowess. While Russia's artillery performed, U.S. intelligence reports suggest about half of cruise missiles have failed " bad news... Never mind that the war was supposed to be an easy win for a modernized force.

Add in questions around competitiveness and the supply difficulties that lie ahead " between sanctions and Russia's urgent need to replace its lost equipment " and the export picture is grim. Given just how much security ties matter in Moscow's friendships, the diplomatic implications could create an opening that the U.S. and its allies should seize."


And it will be a shame when Moscow will suddenly lose its electricity and be plunged into darkness, and trains (including front supply) will go off the rails.

That is, of course, if Putin's generals (5 layers of them to push the buttons) will even entertain the option or decides that Vl-Adolf is too far gone for their own good, so he will not survive giving order for nuclear or chemical attack, one way or another.

#2 | Posted by CutiePie at 2022-06-20 08:41 PM | Reply

I have no problem imagining entire Battalion of Russians surrendering the moment they hear that Putin ordered an atomic weapon be used.

#3 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-20 09:08 PM | Reply

Obviously they become the pariah of the planet. Even China would turn their back on them.

#4 | Posted by jakester at 2022-06-21 12:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

What's being thrown at Ukraine isn't the top Russian military, don't under estimate them. They are a first world power projecting nation for a reason.

#5 | Posted by boaz at 2022-06-21 07:46 AM | Reply

What's being thrown at Ukraine isn't the top Russian military, don't under estimate them. They are a first world power projecting nation for a reason.

#5 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2022-06-21 07:46 AM | FLAG:

It was the cream of the crop, the majority of their BTGs, airborne units, pathfinders, private contractors, allied force "elite" infantry, etc. Their paratroopers were detected by US AWACs whom notified an Azov Btn reaction force that shot down their transports (and a bunch of kids of oligarchs in them), and those that did make the drop found themselves encircled by javelins and automatic grenade launchers. Their Tank Olympic winning crew was killed by a Javelin at Kharkiv months ago. Their top marksman was killed in an artillery strike.

What's working for them: Artillery. Old fashioned, high volume, artillery strikes outnumbering Ukraine artillery 25 to 1. They still haven't managed to close the pocket at Lysychanks. Their Battle of the Bulge isn't making the progress it was anymore.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-06-21 09:54 AM | Reply

Artillery gets it done. It's primitive and slow,and not remotely sexy, but it will defeat the UkieNazis.

Unless the West disrupts the process. Even then...Maybe Not.

#7 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-06-21 08:08 PM | Reply

Russia threw it's best troops at Ukraine thinking they could take it over in 48 hours.

Thing is Russians best troops are few in number and the Ukrainians are many and even a unskilled Ukrainian can shoot the best Russian soldier if there are enough chances.

FTR most of Russia's army suuuuuuucks.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-21 08:48 PM | Reply

Artillery gets it done. It's primitive and slow,and not remotely sexy, but it will defeat the UkieNazis.

#7 | Posted by Effeteposer

*IT being the slaughter and seige of regular people who are not nazis.

If there were nazis your tyrant leader wouldn't have had to shut down the internet and take over all the tv stations. The most obvious sign in the world that he's sheltering you from reality. But here you are every day, either falling for his lies because you're stupid, or getting paid a few rubles to spread them because you're evil.

Are you stupid or evil? Maybe both?

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-06-21 09:10 PM | Reply

What If Russia Uses Nuclear Weapons in Ukraine?

Trump will be sooooo jealous he didn't get to push the button!

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-21 09:18 PM | Reply

#8 - and they don't mind announcing it to the world

#11 | Posted by jakester at 2022-06-21 09:21 PM | Reply

#8 - I think if it came to a nuclear war, a vast majority of Russia's weapons would be duds. Not only have the Russians proven they suck at military, they have also proven they suck at nuclear what with Kyshtym, Chernobyl, and the sinking/disappearance/crippling of nuclear powered subs.

#12 | Posted by jakester at 2022-06-21 09:27 PM | Reply

#12 | Posted by jakester


How many deliverable nuclear weapons do you think need to actually work in order to ruin everyone's day?

Don't count on the laughably ineffective US ABM systems to stop many. Or any.

Enough Russian nukes will work well enough.

I'm kinda hoping it happens :)

#13 | Posted by billy_boy at 2022-06-21 10:39 PM | Reply

If Russia uses nukes in the Ukraine, they would be tactical. There are "conventional" weapons but with as much explosive firepower. (Daisy cutter? MOAB?} But they don't have the stigma as a nuke even though they cadn do as much damage.

So why would they use nukes?

#14 | Posted by jakester at 2022-06-22 01:15 AM | Reply

If I was Russia, I wouldn't dare pull out a nuke and use it.

First of all, as evidenced by how easy it is to hit one of their
ships with a missile, their radar and detection is obviously -----
when compared to the West. Therefore, it's not hard to imagine that
their rocket's reliability and/or targeting might also be suspect.

No, if I was Russia, I'd hurry up and wrap up this 'Ukrainian Adventure',
tuck tail between my legs, and run home to Moscow before Xi in China
gets the idea to take over Eastern Russia and Siberia all the way to
the Verkhoyansk Mountain Range...

#15 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-06-22 06:42 AM | Reply

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