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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, June 27, 2022

The American public is rendering its initial judgment on the overturning of Roe v. Wade, and most disapprove of the ruling, including two-thirds of women who disapprove.

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Big deal. What are they going to do about it? Vote? Support candidates who support their position? Take part in the political process? Or, will they just complain, look at their phones and decide 'all the candidates are the same', or 'I don't know much about the issues' so they don't vote and participate in democracy, and then wonder where all their rights went? Asking for a country...

#1 | Posted by catdog at 2022-06-27 09:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 10

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well said. And with most polls people are asked if they approve or disapprove....but do we measure how significant the issue is to them?

#2 | Posted by eberly at 2022-06-27 09:16 AM | Reply

"but do we measure how significant the issue is to them?"

Well, we could look at their words, and compare that to how they vote.

Doing so tells us Republicans are either anti abortion... or they don't really care.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-27 09:19 AM | Reply

IMHO, The Mid-term math likely has made a seismic shift. Women may finally have a voice and a club. Watch TF out.

Has any prominent Republican stepped up to admit that Males are necessary to deliver -----.


#4 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2022-06-27 09:22 AM | Reply

Doing so tells us Republicans are either anti abortion... or they don't really care.

This is the false dichotomy of both sides ...

The Dems say GOP want to ban abortion, which has truth in the extremes.
The GOP says the Dems want abortion on demand, which also is true in the extreme.

Yet there is a large gray area, neither extremist are willing to compromise in between.

The reality is what MS had on the books, that went to SCOTUS BTW, is what a large portion of the electorate want ~15wks. But the extremists from both sides couldn't let it go.

The Mid-term math likely has made a seismic shift.

Unlikely, keep hoping though its all we've got.

#5 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-06-27 09:29 AM | Reply

NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist National Poll: The Overturning of Roe v. Wade, June 2022

Majority Opposes Overturning Roe v. Wade... More than Six in Ten Say Decision Will Push Them to the Polls in November

In a majority decision, the United States Supreme Court on Friday overturned Roe v. Wade which, for nearly fifty years, guaranteed access to abortion in the United States. However, majorities of Americans oppose the Court's ruling and have concerns that the decision will have broader constitutional implications. Following the decision, President Joe Biden asserted that Roe will be on the ballot in November. 61% of Americans agree, saying the Court's decision will make them more likely to vote in this year's midterm elections, and, by a double-digit margin (15 points), they think the decision will motivate them to vote for a congressional candidate who will support federal legislation that will restore the protections of Roe v. Wade.
maristpoll.marist.edu

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-27 09:36 AM | Reply

New NPR-Marist poll, after 1/6 hearings and SCOTUS striking down Roe:
* Dems lead House ballot by 48-41
* 78% of Dems say ruling made them more likely to vote, 24 points higher than Rs
Only one poll, but potentially suggestive.
twitter.com

Congressional generic ballot, Marist
April
Republican 47%
Democratic 44%
June
Democratic 48%
Republican 41%
A 10-point swing to the Democrats post-Dobbs
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#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-27 09:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Even the international community is saying wtf!!?

#8 | Posted by fresno500 at 2022-06-27 09:42 AM | Reply

If polls meant anything we'd be in the midst of Hillary's second term and Roe would still be the law of the land.

Nationwide opinion polling for the 2016 United States presidential election

en.wikipedia.org

#9 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-06-27 09:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#9 Absolutely, which is why I gave "#1 | POSTED BY CATDOG" a newsworthy.

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-27 09:48 AM | Reply

"The GOP says the Dems want abortion on demand, which also is true in the extreme."

The Republicans are simply incapable of viewing the abortion issue from the pesprective of a pregnant woman not ready to be a single Mom while grnerally ignoring the responsibility inherent in unprotected sex. How many pregnancies result from overpriveleged men who just don't like to wear condoms? I'd guess millions. Meanwhile those selfish ------ now support Republians who now celebrate the pregnancies that their spoiled sons leave behind while theNazi Christian Right celebrates the ptrdicament of pregnant women left behind to raise children alone because they deserve yo be punished for having sex.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2022-06-27 09:48 AM | Reply

When Democrats were in power they could have passed laws to make abortion legal. They had several chances over last decades. The didn't do that, probably because they needed FUD to maintain power. Sometimes you play chicken and bluff, you lose.

#12 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-06-27 09:50 AM | Reply

#10 To say nothing about the reliability of polls taken in June for an election in November! So much can, and will, happen between now and then.

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-06-27 09:50 AM | Reply

Has any prominent Republican stepped up to admit that Males are necessary to deliver -----.

Not that anyone has noticed. But that indisputable fact isn't far behind. We've seen one ruling targeting women exclusively. It won't be long before the religious right (particularly Catholics) will be pushing for ALL forms of male contraception, including vasectomy, to be declared illegal by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Since I singled out Catholics, I suspect their only anti-abortion (and probably anti-contraception, too) stance is to guarantee themselves an income from future 10% tithers.

Otherwise, as far as I'm concerned, all religions are control freaks and money mongers.

#14 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-06-27 09:50 AM | Reply

I listened to a fascinating discussion in rvw being overturned and they commented on a number of issues that haven't been discussed like inter state travel and contraception bans ie iud, the difference between iud plan b and abortion pills Medicare the limited power the feds have regarding enforcement and a slew of other issues

So much is unknown and will have to be litigated and the court opinions are all over the place even in the recent decision

There is a Texas case that will likely result in gutting the aca's requirement that private insurance companies cover abortions and contraception

We are in scary times and I weep for my daughter

#15 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-27 10:03 AM | Reply

The Texas decision will likely come out in the coming weeks

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-27 10:04 AM | Reply

Somewhat in this vein, local company Duolingo has announced they will move out of Pennsylvania if this state bans abortion.

I foresee a lot of capital and top-tier jobs moving to Blue states in the near term.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-27 10:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nationwide opinion polling for the 2016 United States presidential election
en.wikipedia.org

#9 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

While it is true the polling is not very accurate, We all know that the reason POTUS poll information is off so much is due to the EC...

#18 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2022-06-27 10:25 AM | Reply

I see much sadness and angst due to this decision. Is there a legal surrogate activity that will satisfy the leftist need to kill babies? Part-time job at a slaughterhouse?

#19 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-06-27 10:29 AM | Reply

"I foresee a lot of capital and top-tier jobs moving to Blue states in the near term." I see that you will be disappointed.

#20 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-06-27 10:30 AM | Reply

#20 It's already happening. Companies are already falling over themselves to cover travel expenses for their employees in Red states. Once Red states find a way to make that illegal, many of the companies will simply leave... or allow their employees to relocate to a less hostile reproductive evironment.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-27 10:51 AM | Reply

How many pregnancies result from overpriveleged men who just don't like to wear condoms? I'd guess millions. Meanwhile those selfish ------ now support Republians who now celebrate the pregnancies that their spoiled sons leave behind while theNazi Christian Right celebrates the ptrdicament of pregnant women left behind to raise children alone because they deserve yo be punished for having sex.

#11 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2022-06-27 09:48 AM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Not sure how many black men are overpriveleged Republicans but you can repeat it if it makes you feel better.

#22 | Posted by fishpaw at 2022-06-27 10:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Most Americans Disapprove of Overturning Roe v. Wade

Should have though of that before voting for Republicans or Green for the last 50 years.

#23 | Posted by censored at 2022-06-27 10:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think the states that ban abortion prior to 15 weeks (that's my guess) could see a leakage of companies who decide to move for greener pastures.

If it's after 15 weeks then I think the outrage from employees, etc will be minimal and we won't see a significant move.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2022-06-27 10:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I think the states that ban abortion prior to 15 weeks (that's my guess) could see a leakage of companies who decide to move for greener pastures.

#24 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2022-06-27 10:59 AM | REPLY

American companies are widely known for their compassion towards employees, constantly forsaking tax breaks in lieu of supporting civil rights.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-06-27 11:01 AM | Reply

"American companies are widely known for their compassion towards employees, constantly forsaking tax breaks in lieu of supporting civil rights."

Top tier companies are. Or rather, companies that staff top-tier jobs are that way toward those employees. (I hear it's all perfectly explained by Econ 101.)

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-27 11:04 AM | Reply

IMHO, The Mid-term math likely has made a seismic shift.

Fat Nixon is lamenting that it came out too early and will hurt the GOP. SCOTUS don't care, they all lied their way into a lifetime appointment so they're good.

Thomas wants to end same sex marriage, contraceptive coverage, etc and my bet is he was the leaker. He saw Roberts starting to sway Gorsuch and leaked the memo to force him into standing by his preliminary vote.

Can you imagine the outrage from the cancervaturds if five liberal justices perjured themselves in the confirmation hearings? The screaming would be deafening.

#27 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-06-27 11:54 AM | Reply

Guess they do not realize that there were never a Right to abortion the US Constitution, Let them lobby/vote at their state level to institute a state Right for abortion - there, see how easy to solve.

#28 | Posted by MSgt at 2022-06-27 11:58 AM | Reply

"perjured themselves"

What exactly did each of them say when asked how they would vote if given the chance to reverse Roe?

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2022-06-27 11:58 AM | Reply

If it's after 15 weeks then I think the outrage from employees, etc will be minimal and we won't see a significant move.
#24 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Agreed.
But Red states have been been moving towards fetal heartbeat laws, which effectively bans all abortion.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-27 11:59 AM | Reply

What exactly did each of them say when asked how they would vote if given the chance to reverse Roe?
#29 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Enough that you thought they wouldn't do it.
Did they lie to you?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-27 12:00 PM | Reply

And how many of these people voted for Trump?

#32 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-27 12:07 PM | Reply

So if the polls show overwhelming support for abortion than the SC ruling will have done it's intended result, let the people decide.

#33 | Posted by fishpaw at 2022-06-27 12:11 PM | Reply

And why is it that lesbian grandmothers like Danni, who will never need an abortion are the ones who scream the loudest on this? I'll give you a clue. Politics?

#34 | Posted by fishpaw at 2022-06-27 12:13 PM | Reply

I wonder when it might occur to Democrats that Republicans don't give a damn what most Americans think. It a rigged game, it simply doesn't matter.

#35 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2022-06-27 12:19 PM | Reply

And why is it that lesbian grandmothers like Danni, who will never need an abortion are the ones who scream the loudest on this?

You notice that?

It's fascinating to see.

It's either the male Chutney Ferrets or these angry, overweight, purple-haired cows that are bleating to the almost to point of aneurysm.

Two classes of people with exactly zero chance of impregnation.

#36 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-06-27 12:21 PM | Reply

let the people decide.

#33 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

As you CONservatives so often like to point out, "we are not a democracy". Although, we're quite obviously no a representative or constitutional republic either. We are now a theocratic, fascist oligarchy.

Not that it's going to happen, but would you really like to let the people decide? Would you like to put abortion up for a national vote? I'd love to see that, but I'm sure it scares the crap out of you.

#37 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2022-06-27 12:25 PM | Reply

This should be great news for Democrats.

Dems are on a trajectory to get slaughtered in the upcoming midterm. They should make their primary policy plank a federal law legalizing abortion. It might staunch the wound.

#38 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-06-27 12:28 PM | Reply

Right in the opinion it is stated that their ruling places zero limitations on congress to enact abortion legislation.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-06-27 12:33 PM | Reply

That right there is quintessential judicial restraint.

#40 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-06-27 12:34 PM | Reply

The lady's granddaughters may very well find themselves in a situation where an abortion is necessary.

She's thinking ahead why aren't you?

#41 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-27 12:37 PM | Reply

The lady's granddaughters may very well find themselves in a situation where an abortion is necessary.
She's thinking ahead why aren't you?

#41 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2022-06-27 12:37 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

If you followed Danni's posts over the years you would know that she stopped talking to her daughter when she found out she voted GOP. So yes, this is purely political as are what directs most decisions with Democrats. How about Nancy Pelosi and how she tells us her "faith" directs her?

#42 | Posted by fishpaw at 2022-06-27 01:28 PM | Reply

As you CONservatives so often like to point out, "we are not a democracy". Although, we're quite obviously no a representative or constitutional republic either. We are now a theocratic, fascist oligarchy.
Not that it's going to happen, but would you really like to let the people decide? Would you like to put abortion up for a national vote? I'd love to see that, but I'm sure it scares the crap out of you.

#37 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2022-06-27 12:25 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Go ahead but make sure you're specific about the terms. The Dems put themselves in this mess btw when they wanted the rights expanded to up till the day of birth and gender selection. Put those terms on the ballet and see what happens. Btw, the Dems could have made this into law when they had filibuster proof majorities with Carter, Clinton and Obama. They didn't because they were scared of the implications. So STFU with your faux outrage.

#43 | Posted by fishpaw at 2022-06-27 01:38 PM | Reply

Sorry I have better things to do than to stalk grandmas.

And I said granddaughters

#44 | Posted by Tor at 2022-06-27 01:39 PM | Reply

The Dems put themselves in this mess btw when they wanted the rights expanded to up till the day of birth and gender selection.

Never happened you lying -------.

Also, righty "men" are almost always quintessential abuser types. It's YOUR fault I did that bad thing to you! YOU brought it on yourself.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2022-06-27 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

As you CONservatives so often like to point out, "we are not a democracy".

We arent. This ruling shows it. The "choice is now back with the states where it should be.

Would you like to put abortion up for a national vote?

No, why would we? So California's overflow if idiot votes could count in another state with a different culture or view? It's exactly where it should be. At the state level. Your state decisions shouldnt affect my state.

#46 | Posted by boaz at 2022-06-27 01:46 PM | Reply

The Republicans are simply incapable of viewing the abortion issue from the pesprective of a pregnant woman not ready to be a single Mom while grnerally ignoring the responsibility inherent in unprotected sex.

Responsibility? ROTFLMAO!!!

Danni, why cant a woman just close her legs? Or take the pill? Or choose better men to have sex with? All of this could be mitigated if women didnt use abortion as elective birth control.

#47 | Posted by boaz at 2022-06-27 01:51 PM | Reply

All of this could be mitigated if women didnt use abortion as elective birth control.

There's no bottom to the ignorant, stupid pile of ---- worldview you have. God damn.

Oh, and piss on your "culture." It's currently being forced on the rest of us via an activity, overtly political SCOTUS installed by a minority of voters.

But being the dumb---- you are you think that that's perfectly fine because you agree with it.

#48 | Posted by jpw at 2022-06-27 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Danni, why cant a woman just close her legs?

The mating call of a guy who doesn't get enough sex

#49 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-27 01:56 PM | Reply

"Danni, why cant a woman just close her legs? Or take the pill? Or choose better men to have sex with?"

Yeah!
Why can't women just be gay?

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-27 01:57 PM | Reply

let the people decide.

#33 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

And the people will decide.

Just like they did before. But todays world is different. Abortion is not being eliminated. It is just being made illegal. Again. So now we will once again have hundreds of unsafe abortions and women will be denied proper health care and turned into felons because of it. Thanks to hateful goopers the rich will still get abortion. And the poor will suffer.

The GOP built this great chasm in America. Welcome to the Divided States of America.

Now go celebrate and enjoy the fruits of your hateful labors.

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-06-27 02:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#45 "righty Men" are the quintessential abuser types? I thought the left owned the black vote? www.verywellmind.com

#52 | Posted by fishpaw at 2022-06-27 02:19 PM | Reply

#51 That's right Donner, can't get an abortion, not even in NY or Cal. Funny thing though, the Portland, Maine paper had an article saying people would be flocking here to get abortions. I'll give them your number so you can correct them.

#53 | Posted by fishpaw at 2022-06-27 02:23 PM | Reply

#45 "In 1994, the bureau reported that 15.6 Whites, 20.3 Blacks and 18.8 Hispanics per 1,000 people were victims of domestic violence. But by the year 2010, those numbers had fallen to 6.2 Whites, 7.8 Blacks, and 4.1 Hispanics."

^
Not really a big enough difference to hang your "Blacks are savage apes compared to Whites" hat on.

Unless you're hanging your "Whites are savage apes compared to Hispanics" hat next to it, I suppose.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-27 02:24 PM | Reply

the Portland, Maine paper had an article saying people would be flocking here to get abortions.

#53 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

The ones who can afford it will be flocking to those places to get abortions. Funny though that you can't understand that distinction.

And just to be clear, this will only be a "states rights" issue until fascist Republicans gain enough power to once again make it a federal issue, with a national abortion ban. And those like you and Boaz will be perfectly okay with that.

#55 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2022-06-27 02:44 PM | Reply

" And just to be clear, this will only be a "states rights" issue until fascist Republicans gain enough power to once again make it a federal issue, with a national abortion ban. And those like you and Boaz will be perfectly okay with that.
#55 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2022-06-27 02:44 PM | FLAG: "

Then fight for a national law legalizing abortion. This court won't rule against that it

#56 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-06-27 02:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

What are they going to do about it?... Support candidates who support their position?

#1 | POSTED BY CATDOG

Unfortunately we've seen that the DNC is unwilling to let it's base support candidates that support our positions.

Hopefully we can put an end to that democracy-ending "vote blue no matter who" meme and focus on candidates that actually give a flying ---- about normal people.

#57 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2022-06-27 03:02 PM | Reply

#23 | POSTED BY CENSORED

I've voted democrat my entire life and the result is that republicans still gutted women's rights.

#58 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2022-06-27 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#45 "righty Men" are the quintessential abuser types? I thought the left owned the black vote? www.verywellmind.com

#52 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Way to go low, -------.

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2022-06-27 03:55 PM | Reply

Doing so tells us Republicans are either anti abortion... or they don't really care.

#3 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

They're pro- or anti- whatever their biggest donors tell them to be. Everything else is just fluff and window dressing to keep the voters voting. Because it's about the money, and

religions are control freaks and money mongers.
#14 | POSTED BY TWINPAC

And most R's will continue supporting the R party no matter what, even if they're among the 60+% who want abortion kept legal, because either they're just going along with the rest of the platform, they can't vote with librulz, or #1 | POSTED BY CATDOG

#60 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-06-27 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This court won't rule against that it

#56 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

LOL they've shown themselves to be partisan, lying religious fundy sacks of ---- but yeah...sure...they're not gonna rule on a federal law legalizing abortion. They're just gonna let it slide right by.

FFS.

#61 | Posted by jpw at 2022-06-27 03:56 PM | Reply

"And most R's will continue supporting the R party no matter what, even if they're among the 60+% who want abortion kept legal, because either they're just going along with the rest of the platform, they can't vote with librulz,"

IOW, the issue isn't that important to them.

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2022-06-27 03:59 PM | Reply

Then fight for a national law legalizing abortion. This court won't rule against that it

#56 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I wouldn't be so sure. All it takes is one state, one case, to challenge it on religious grounds, and this court has made clear which side of religious questions it takes.

#63 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-06-27 04:01 PM | Reply

#62 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Yes. As CATDOG layed out very thoroughly in #1, even if if they do care about it, they don't care enough to actually do something about it.

#64 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-06-27 04:03 PM | Reply

All these fundies and their churches will finally start give away free diapers, formula, food, daycare, clothing, and other essentials to families who couldn't afford to have another child, right?

They'll finally start adopting the hundreds of thousands of foster kids awaiting adoption instead of going overseas to countries where they have missionaries? Even if their skin is brown or black?

To oppose the sale of military grade assault weapons so living children won't get slaughtered in school?

To encourage people to sign up for private health insurance and offer to pay premiums for people who can't afford them, right?

To start spending their collection plates in their communities instead of sending it to missionaries overseas, right?

Uh, sure they will.

#65 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-06-27 06:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

None of this would've happened if the Hillary Haters Club hadn't made it a reality. Nice work!

#66 | Posted by chuffy at 2022-06-27 06:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#66 - Laura says you're welcome and to do as she says next time.............

#67 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2022-06-27 06:40 PM | Reply

IOW, the issue isn't that important to them.
#62 | POSTED BY EBERLY

When I said the same about you, you became very defensive.

But here you are saying that's the case for so-called pro-choice Republicans as a whole.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-27 06:48 PM | Reply

Most Americans Disapprove of Overturning Roe v. Wade

well, since it is up to the States now, the People get to vote whether or not your State will make Abortion Legal or not. So, if your polls are correct you Dems won't have a problem

so, what are you worried about?

#69 | Posted by Maverick at 2022-06-27 09:23 PM | Reply

"including two-thirds of women who disapprove."

LOL, the Left couldn't even define a woman a month ago, now it's no problem

#70 | Posted by Maverick at 2022-06-28 09:57 AM | Reply

"Left couldn't even define a woman a month ago, now it's no problem"

We let people define themselves.
Your party is full of control freaks who think they have the authority to label everyone.

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-28 10:50 AM | Reply

" #61 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2022-06-27 03:56 PM | FLAG: "

You are such an emotionally stunted child. The fricking dissent pointed out that this opinion in no way prevents the legislative branch from creating an abortion law.

Like every other non pathogen topic you have no clue as to how originalism works.

#72 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-06-28 10:50 AM | Reply

"you have no clue as to how originalism works."

How does Originalism work, when it comes to amendments that weren't part of the original Constitution?
Please, explain it to us!

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-28 10:52 AM | Reply

This court won't rule against that it

#56 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Umm, not sure of the logic there. this court said that the right to abortion is not in the constitution. their justification for outlawing abortion would be that congress has no authority to regulate it. that seems pretty basic

#74 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-28 11:06 AM | Reply

their justification for outlawing abortion=their justification for outlawing a nationwide law protecting abortion

#75 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-28 11:07 AM | Reply

Truthhurts,

No. That is simply a bad take. Please show me where in the opinion a legislative remedy is prohibited. It's not there and even the dissent pointed that out.

#76 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-06-28 03:07 PM | Reply

The SC says that there is no right to privacy vis a vis abortion in the constitution. It is certainly not within the enumerated powers of congress, so congress has no authority to regulate it

per their logic

#77 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-28 03:22 PM | Reply

#77. It does no such thing. The dissent is explicit that this ruling does not prevent congress from creating abortion law.

#78 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-06-28 03:26 PM | Reply

What gives congress the authority to regulate it? It is not interstate and it is not taxation.

#79 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-28 03:30 PM | Reply

Congress pass legislation and POTUS signs it into law.

You may be old enough to do remember the federal max speed limit of 55 miles per hour. It ended up going away because it was stupid and unpopular.

All this ruling did was dismiss the notion that abortion is a constitutionally protected right. It does nothing to prohibit the legislative branch from creating an abortion law.

PS - You are being way too nice today and it's weirding me out. Please call me a racist liar, or something so I can get back in my comfort zone.

#80 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-06-28 03:36 PM | Reply

Again, SC says abortion is not in constitution, so it follows congress has no power to regulate it.

The Dobbs decision says it is returned to the people and their elected representatives-which, given the context of the rest of the argument, to the states

#81 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-28 03:44 PM | Reply

Congress pass legislation and POTUS signs it into law.
You may be old enough to do remember the federal max speed limit of 55 miles per hour. It ended up going away because it was stupid and unpopular.
All this ruling did was dismiss the notion that abortion is a constitutionally protected right. It does nothing to prohibit the legislative branch from creating an abortion law.
PS - You are being way too nice today and it's weirding me out. Please call me a racist liar, or something so I can get back in my comfort zone.

#80 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Besides your handle you don't appear to be lying, just completely wrong

#82 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-28 03:45 PM | Reply

A LOT of laws are not explicit in the Constitution. Article 1 Section 8 bestows considerable power to congress to craft laws.

#83 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-06-28 03:47 PM | Reply

the speed limit was based on the Commerce Clause

it does get tiring explaining basic civics to people

#84 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-28 03:48 PM | Reply

Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the -------- of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;"And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

#85 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-28 03:49 PM | Reply

that is why the ACA required a tax portion, to allow it to fit into the legislature's powers, so NO, congress can't pass any law they want (without being struck down by the courts)

#86 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-28 03:50 PM | Reply

Point being is that Congress can pass a law (like the Women's Health Bill that can't get passed due to filibuster issue, codyfing RVW for the whole country), but this SC would knock it down.

#87 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-28 03:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"All this ruling did was dismiss the notion that abortion is a constitutionally protected right."

And all that means is a pregnant woman whose life is at risk from pregnancy, does not have a constitutionally protected Right to Life!

No big deal.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-06-28 04:12 PM | Reply

Under what legal or constitutional reasoning would SCOTUS shoot down a federal abortion law?

#89 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-06-28 09:41 PM | Reply

Under what legal or constitutional reasoning would SCOTUS shoot down a federal abortion law?

I believe it's called the 6-3 rule.

#90 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-06-28 09:57 PM | Reply

Under what legal or constitutional reasoning would SCOTUS shoot down a federal abortion law?

#89 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Nope
It's up to you to back up your claim that Congress can pass a law that will pass muster with the sc

What would that law be?

You can't say just pass a law codifying rvw as the sc just said that there is no justification for it and Congress doesn't have that power
Tie your theoretical law to congressional power I posted earlier

#91 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-28 10:06 PM | Reply

Examples
Medicaid/medicare is based on Congress' taxing power and the Commerce clause
Federal Education funding is based on assuring equal access to education (could be collateral damage to the RvW decision since the right to an education isn't in the Constitution) so Brown vs the BoE could be overturned using Thomas' logic vis a vis same sex marriage, contraception etc.
Transportation funding is based on Congress' spending authority.

As an aside I think that Congress should look to make abortion a medically necessary procedure. That way states can't outlaw abortion without giving up Medicaid/Medicare funds

#92 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-06-28 10:15 PM | Reply

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