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Thursday, July 28, 2022

A 12-year-old girl implores West Virginia lawmakers to consider her life before enacting restrictive abortion laws: "If a man decides that I'm an object and does unspeakable and tragic things to me, am I, a child, supposed to birth and carry another child? Am I to put my body through the physical trauma of pregnancy? Am I to suffer the mental implications, a child who had no say in what was being done with my body?"

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That hurt just to hear.

Can't imagine what girls in that state are feeling.

#1 | Posted by Tor at 2022-07-28 04:00 PM | Reply

My prediction is that this thread will be devoid of pro-life conservatives.

#2 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-07-28 04:23 PM | Reply

Women are property to pro-life republicans.

#3 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-07-28 04:34 PM | Reply

pro-life conservatives.

#2 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Those don't really exist.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2022-07-28 04:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

She's not 12.
Hey, Addison, what are you doing for dinner?
--Many creepy GOPers

#5 | Posted by catdog at 2022-07-28 05:05 PM | Reply

#2 The vast majority of Republicans in the United States, even those that call themselves Pro Life, support exceptions for Rape and ------. I realize there are people at one extreme that do not, but polls show people with those views are in the minority.

My personal view is that 2nd & 3rd trimester abortions are horrific, however, forcing a child or rape victim to give birth to a bay is even more horrific.

#6 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-07-28 05:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My personal view as that this assault on women is political theater and totally unnecessary as women were already acting very responsibly; 93 percent of abortions were already at 13 weeks or less.

Meaning almost all abortions were already less than the 15 months that most red states will settle for.

This is just more of rwingers choosing state control over personal responsibility and fake news political memes from their Bozo Media politicians over facts.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2022-07-28 05:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

15 weeks, obviously

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2022-07-28 05:16 PM | Reply

"those that call themselves Pro Life, support exceptions for Rape and ------."

You Lie.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-28 05:37 PM | Reply

"forcing a child or rape victim to give birth to a bay is even more horrific."

You bobtail nag bettors are all the same.
Trust me, you'd be singing a different tune if you bet on the bay!

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-28 05:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

My personal view is that 2nd & 3rd trimester abortions are horrific,

You mean the statistically rare 2nd or 3rd trimester abortions which only occur when the mother's life is in danger or the fetus becomes nonviable?

They're only horrific to you because you're being emotional rather than thinking logically.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-07-28 05:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

My personal view is that 2nd & 3rd trimester abortions are horrific, however, forcing a child or rape victim to give birth to a bay is even more horrific.
#6 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Define child

Define rape victim

why is a 17-year-old not considered a child?

Why is an adult with mental disorders not part of your calculations?

What about a woman with pre-existing health conditions that could kill her not part of your consideration?

What about a woman in severe poverty not part of your calculus?

How about women who need to take lifesaving medicines that could damage the fetus?

How about those women whose existing life situations have them burdened beyond their control?

What about those women whose lives are horrifically impacted or even killed as a result of lacking access to abortions? See the woman who was forced to carry an unviable fetus after her water broke at 17 weeks

My personal opinion is that it is NOONE's business but the woman who is pregnant, except those people who she invites to participate in the decision making process. My personal opinion, supported by objective FACT is that each and every pregnancy is unique and it is barbaric for the state to intercede in that decision making process.

#12 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-07-28 05:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#2 The vast majority of Republicans in the United States, even those that call themselves Pro Life, support exceptions for Rape and ------. I realize there are people at one extreme that do not, but polls show people with those views are in the minority.
{{SNIP}}
#6 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Point is moot when those barbarians are making laws in many states.

#13 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-07-28 05:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"exceptions for Rape and ------"

We know these exceptions don't exist in Texas or Ohio.
How come you don't know that?

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-28 06:00 PM | Reply

You mean the statistically rare 2nd or 3rd trimester abortions which only occur when the mother's life is in danger or the fetus becomes nonviable?
Yes, statistically rare. No, not only occurring when mothers life is in danger or fetus becomes nonviable. Second trimester abortions are NOT restricted in most blue states.

They're only horrific to you because you're being emotional rather than thinking logically.

I certainly hope I never become logical enough to get comfortable with the idea of crushing the skull of a squirming 15-week fetus and ripping off its arms at the shoulder to make it pass through the birth canal more easily. I think anyone who could actually feel "okay" with that would have to be emotionally dead. Maybe you are.

#11 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2022-07-28 05:40 PM | FLAG:
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#15 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-07-28 06:13 PM | Reply

Point is moot when those barbarians are making laws in many states.

#13 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2022-07-28 05:52 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Not entirely moot , because those barbarians won't get re-elected. Their constituents doesn't support those extreme views. Even in the Evangelical communities, they go to church every Sunday, but when their daughters get "in trouble" many of them quietly seek abortions.

Its a hard road ahead in those areas for now, but it will settle down.

#16 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-07-28 06:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"I certainly hope I never become logical enough to get comfortable with the idea of crushing the skull of a squirming 15-week fetus and ripping off its arms at the shoulder to make it pass through the birth canal more easily."

I believe you.

I especially believe you because this procedure, that you're trying soooo hard to demonize us for condoning, is done when hydrocephaly causes the fetal cranium to swell up to the size of a basketball.

Now maybe you're used to pushing basketballs out of your vagina, so I guess it's not big deal for you.

You're a horrible excuse for a human being, and this thread is full of reasons why we think that about you.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-28 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Let's put the shoe on the other foot for a minute.

My guess is the pro-lifers would also vote against forcing pedophiles to have a vasectomy once they've been convicted of rape or ------.

Or better yet, my favorite . . . castrated.

#18 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-07-28 06:22 PM | Reply

"Their constituents doesn't support those extreme views."

Bull ------- ----.

Those aren't extreme views, you relentless douche.

Those are mainstream Republican values.

It's almost like you're refusing to see it because you're a woman. Just like Susan Collins, and Eberly.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-28 06:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My personal view as that this assault on women is political theater and totally unnecessary as women were already acting very responsibly; 93 percent of abortions were already at 13 weeks or less.

SO 7% is an insignificant number to you? Pregnant pre-teens are far less than 7% but they certainly matter to me.

Meaning almost all abortions were already less than the 15 months that most red states will settle for.

Good point, then why did they risk overturning Roe by fighting the 15 week Mississippi law all the way up to the Supreme Court? Because neither side is willing to compromise.

#20 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-07-28 06:25 PM | Reply

"Good point, then why did they risk overturning Roe by fighting the 15 week Mississippi law all the way up to the Supreme Court?"

Why did Republicans risk overturning Roe by passing Mississippi's abortion law?

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-28 06:31 PM | Reply

"Because neither side is willing to compromise."

Roe is a compromise, you sicko.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-28 06:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Not entirely moot , because those barbarians won't get re-elected. Their constituents doesn't support those extreme views. Even in the Evangelical communities, they go to church every Sunday, but when their daughters get "in trouble" many of them quietly seek abortions.
Its a hard road ahead in those areas for now, but it will settle down.

#16 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

I see you refuse to answer the questions posted in my #12. Says alot. Those are very real world questions surrounding overturning roe. But they are questions that "pro-life" people refuse to address. And people like you who try to thread the needle saying well children or rape victims, etc. But that thread requires a red line, does it not. What is acceptable and what is not acceptable, right? Well justify your decision. Why is a woman who has down syndrome required to bring a fetus to term? Why is a 17 year old treated differently than a 14 year old? Why is a poor single mother with 2 or 3 kids required to bear another fetus to term? Why is a woman who has cancer required to choose between her life (cancer treatment) or birthing a child with deformities caused by the cancer treatment? Why is a woman with severe depression or bi-polar disease or schizophrenia required to choose between going off their meds or birthing a child with deformities caused by her medications?

Again, it should NOT be any of your business

#23 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-07-28 06:41 PM | Reply

Why is a woman required to carry an unviable fetus that will die in her uterus until the point where her life is threatened by infection-something that was just reported

Why does a woman with a heart problem not have the right to terminate a pregnancy that could and will likely kill her?

Again, REAL LIFE SCENARIOS

#24 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-07-28 06:44 PM | Reply

"I see you refuse to answer the questions posted in my #12. Says alot"

Miranda7 is one of those people that thinks because she uses civil language, condemning women to death because of fetal heartbeat laws isn't the height of a barbaric society.

She really puts the "please" in Your Papers, Please.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-28 06:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Republicants are nothing but Nazis in white sheets.

#26 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-07-28 06:57 PM | Reply

#12 Good questions. To be clear, these are my PERSONAL views. I have never advocated that my personal views become law. I would be satisfied if Liberals could just agree that abortion is a really horrible, and Conservatives could agree that it is sometimes necessary, and we all could agree that we need to do everything possible to prevent the need for it.

Define child
Define rape victim
why is a 17-year-old not considered a child?

Each state defines these terms and age of consent. In Florida it depends on the age difference between the parties. If a child below the age of consent is impregnated by an older adult, the act is defined as rape, regardless of "consent"

Why is an adult with mental disorders not part of your calculations?

Pretty much every state considers a mentally impaired (or even chemically impaired) person to be incapable of giving consent, therefore it fits the definition of rape.

What about a woman with pre-existing health conditions that could kill her not part of your consideration? How about women who need to take lifesaving medicines that could damage the fetus?

Absolutely, I support abortion in any case where the mothers health is threatened by the pregnancy, and also when the fetus is deformed/impaired in such a way that would severely affect quality of life"

What about those women whose lives are horrifically impacted or even killed as a result of lacking access to abortions? See the woman who was forced to carry an unviable fetus after her water broke at 17 weeks

That should never happen. Every state law, no matter how extreme, has exceptions to protect the life of the mother. Fearmongering media and activist doctors bear some responsibility for bad outcomes in these situations. No judge or jury is going to prosecute a doctor for saving the life of the mother, and if they did, the public would not stand for it. Courageous doctors realize this and protect their patients, not exploit them for political points.

My personal opinion is that it is NOONE's business but the woman who is pregnant, except those people who she invites to participate in the decision making process. My personal opinion, supported by objective FACT is that each and every pregnancy is unique and it is barbaric for the state to intercede in that decision making process.

Yeah, I know, you've made it very clear in the past that partial birth abortion in the 40th week is perfectly acceptable to you and should remain legal, even though killing the same child one day later would be murder. That makes you an extremist in my book. We will have to agree to disagree.

#12 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2022-07-28 05:51 PM | FLAG:
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#27 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-07-28 06:57 PM | Reply

-7%

7% is either statistically nave or hopelessly disingenuous. It's much less since 93% are at 13 weeks, not 15, so that's down to maybe 3 percent, and the rest are health of the mother issues with 1% being 3rd trimester emergencies.

- Because neither side is willing to compromise.

Half of one sides believes that Trump won the last election, and the other almost half don't care whether he did or not as they are still enabling him because he's an authoritarian nationalist who doesn't much care about the rule of law either.

Does that tell you anything about them?

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2022-07-28 07:03 PM | Reply

I see you refuse to answer the questions posted in my #12. Says alot. Those are very real world questions surrounding overturning roe. But they are questions that "pro-life" people refuse to address.

You underestimate me. I put some thought into it, it took me a little while to answer your questions, but I did. I see you have some more.

Why is a woman who has down syndrome required to bring a fetus to term?
She shouldn't be. In most states she would be considered a rape victim.

Why is a 17 year old treated differently than a 14 year old?
LOL, you aren't a parent, are you? I don't make those rules, and certainly they are worthy of review, Tell me, should the 18 year old boyfriend of the 17 year old be treated differently than the 35 year old stepfather who impregnated the 14 year old? Where is YOUR red line in THAT decision?

Why is a woman who has cancer required to choose between her life (cancer treatment) or birthing a child with deformities caused by the cancer treatment? Why is a woman with severe depression or bi-polar disease or schizophrenia required to choose between going off their meds or birthing a child with deformities caused by her medications?

In most states, she won't be, but Activist doctors want to make an example out of her, so she probably will have to make that choice, live on television.

Again, it should NOT be any of your business

You make a really strong case for the euthanasia of newborns. They can really cramp a girl's style. Good thing you can drop them off at a fire station.

#23 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2022-07-28 06:41 PM | FLAG:
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#29 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-07-28 07:16 PM | Reply

7% is either statistically nave or hopelessly disingenuous. It's much less since 93% are at 13 weeks, not 15, so that's down to maybe 3 percent, and the rest are health of the mother issues with 1% being 3rd trimester emergencies.

#30 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-07-28 07:28 PM | Reply

Ok, so 3 percent of 629000, only about 18,000, hardly worth consideration.

#31 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-07-28 07:31 PM | Reply

#15 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

You're making an emotional argument once again.

If the child is nonviable, who cares what the extraction process is.

If the mother's life is in danger, they usually try to save the fetus, if possible.

People who don't want children get abortions during the first trimester. Usually after realizing they missed their period.

No one chooses to carry a fetus until the third trimester, then suddenly wakes up one day and decides to get an abortion.

You're insane if you believe otherwise.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-07-28 08:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

If the child is nonviable, who cares what the extraction process is.
That's like saying if someone is on life support we can goa ahead and rip them apart because they are going to die anyway, so they are "non-viable". Actually that's worse than saying that.

People who don't want children get abortions during the first trimester. Usually after realizing they missed their period.
No one chooses to carry a fetus until the third trimester, then suddenly wakes up one day and decides to get an abortion.

Well thats just peachy, then what are you worried about. The new laws shouldn't impact anyone, will they?

You're insane if you believe otherwise. Nope, Ive seen it with my own eyes. It may be rare, but it does happen. In several states a girl can get a 40th week abortion because it interferes with her summer vacation plans. If that doesn't really happen, then why does restricting it concern you?

#33 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-07-28 08:13 PM | Reply

The vast majority of Republicans in the United States, even those that call themselves Pro Life, support exceptions for Rape and ------.

Tell that to the 10 year old who traveled from Ohio to Indiana to get an abortion.

Your gut feeling about what Republicans do and don't support is naive.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-07-28 08:16 PM | Reply

That's like saying if someone is on life support

Nope. That's called moving the goal posts. I'm not chasing you.

Since you're ignorant, let me educate you.

"Nonviable: Cannot possibly result in a liveborn baby."

Read up: www.babymed.com

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-07-28 08:22 PM | Reply

Ohio's draconian law is tvery very wrong. The constituents won't stand for it. The legislators who advanced the Ohio law will be pay at the polls and be replaced, and the law will be repealed. In the meantime there will be suffering. In the long run there will be balance. The one thing the Federal Government can do is enact laws to protect the right of women to travel to other states for abortions. I can't see how any state law prohibiting that could be constitutional. That will be our next big Supreme Court test.

#36 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-07-28 08:23 PM | Reply

Nope, Ive seen it with my own eyes.

Nope. Don't believe you.

It may be rare, but it does happen. In several states a girl can get a 40th week abortion because it interferes with her summer vacation plans.

Now you're just posting hyperbole.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-07-28 08:26 PM | Reply

Nope. That's called moving the goal posts. I'm not chasing you.
Since you're ignorant, let me educate you.
"Nonviable: Cannot possibly result in a liveborn baby."
Read up: www.babymed.com

#35 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2022-07-28 08:22 PM | FLAG:

Pardon my misunderstanding. I thought you were using the term "nonviable" as it is often used in discussions of Roe v Wade, referring to a 2nd trimester fetus that is cannot yet live outside the womb.

In the context you have provided, I absolutely support the right to abort any "nonviable" fetus that has no chance of live birth. That falls under the exceptions in most state laws.

#38 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-07-28 08:30 PM | Reply

#36 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Something my mother always told me is, "actions speak louder than words."

Have the people in Ohio called for a recall? Voted out the Republican members of government?

Let me know when anything happens.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-07-28 08:34 PM | Reply

It may be rare, but it does happen. In several states a girl can get a 40th week abortion because it interferes with her summer vacation plans.
Now you're just posting hyperbole.

I have investigated several infanticides where newborns have been killed by their mothers, including one who killed her "secret" baby so she could go on a cruise with her "secret" boyfriend. The kind of woman who would do this exists and would not hesitate to abort a 40 week fetus if the procedure was available. It's not a stretch to believe some have. Hopefully there are not a lot of doctors who would go along with this, but its also not a stretch to believe some would. Truthhurts would.

#40 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-07-28 08:39 PM | Reply

The constituents won't stand for it.

Wanna bet?

I doubt most of them even know what's going on.

#41 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-07-28 08:42 PM | Reply

#39 Check back after the midterms. Its gonna happen. Both parties are disconnected with voters as to what they really want when it comes to abortion.

#42 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-07-28 08:43 PM | Reply

"Can get."

Any evidence of this happening?

Do you think a pregnant woman who wants to get an abortion at 40 weeks so they can go to the beach will make a good mother, to the child you're forcing her to have?

So whose interests does the State really have in mind when they choose to stop this abortion?

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-28 08:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If that doesn't really happen, then why does restricting it concern you?"

The fascist attitude is just ingrained in you!
"Do you mind if I search around the car?"
"Only guilty people plead the Fifth."

It comes natural to you to deprive people of their rights.

That's what I mean by fascist attitude.
And, that's your entire argument about abortion: These rights need to be taken away, because of how they might be used.

Even in the abortions you think are okay, there's always room that it was a naughty one.

You're a ------- sick pervert to want to interject the state into any of this.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-28 08:47 PM | Reply

"Both parties are disconnected with voters as to what they really want when it comes to abortion."

Um, no.

Abortion wasn't broken. Roe wasn't broken.

Republican's went and "fixed" it and even you can tell they ---- the bed. Or is that an abortion? Better call the cops just to check and make sure. ---- you, clown.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-28 08:56 PM | Reply

Ohio's draconian law is tvery very wrong. The constituents won't stand for it. The legislators who advanced the Ohio law will be pay at the polls and be replaced, and the law will be repealed. In the meantime there will be suffering. In the long run there will be balance. The one thing the Federal Government can do is enact laws to protect the right of women to travel to other states for abortions. I can't see how any state law prohibiting that could be constitutional. That will be our next big Supreme Court test.

#36 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

JFC states are voting to enact similar or more barbaric laws as we speak

#46 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-07-28 09:17 PM | Reply

abcnews.go.com

Literally the state next to Ohio

#47 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-07-28 09:18 PM | Reply

In the context you have provided, I absolutely support the right to abort any "nonviable" fetus that has no chance of live birth. That falls under the exceptions in most state laws.

#38 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Let me shout this

MANY STATE LAWS DO NOT PERMIT THOSE EXCEPTIONS

Please see this article:

www.npr.org

She was FORCED to carry a fetus that was unviable (her water broke at 17 weeks thus NO amniotic fluid) and could not get an abortion until the fetus died.

#48 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-07-28 09:21 PM | Reply

------- barbarism

#49 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-07-28 09:21 PM | Reply

I have investigated several infanticides where newborns have been killed by their mothers, including one who killed her "secret" baby so she could go on a cruise with her "secret" boyfriend. The kind of woman who would do this exists and would not hesitate to abort a 40 week fetus if the procedure was available. It's not a stretch to believe some have. Hopefully there are not a lot of doctors who would go along with this, but its also not a stretch to believe some would. Truthhurts would.

#40 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

A. infanticide, ie NOT abortion
C. In the rare circumstance where a 40th week abortion is performed it is to save the life of the mother-period full stop. Third trimester abortions are for life of mother or severe abnormalities in the fetus that make the fetus unviable-period full stop. And the reason they are having abortions that late is our nation's piss poor health care system where fetal abnormalities are not discovered till later in pregnancy
C. You do realize that that woman would have to have a doctor perform a 40th week abortion, right? Are you claiming that doctors will perform 40 week abortions so a woman can go on a vacation? Is that your claim? Because if it is, well you are just a silly person.

#50 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-07-28 09:24 PM | Reply

If the child is nonviable, who cares what the extraction process is.
That's like saying if someone is on life support we can goa ahead and rip them apart because they are going to die anyway, so they are "non-viable". Actually that's worse than saying that.

People who don't want children get abortions during the first trimester. Usually after realizing they missed their period.
No one chooses to carry a fetus until the third trimester, then suddenly wakes up one day and decides to get an abortion.

Well thats just peachy, then what are you worried about. The new laws shouldn't impact anyone, will they?

You're insane if you believe otherwise. Nope, Ive seen it with my own eyes. It may be rare, but it does happen. In several states a girl can get a 40th week abortion because it interferes with her summer vacation plans. If that doesn't really happen, then why does restricting it concern you?

#33 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-07-28 08:13 PM

Miranda "Hyperbole" Seven, eh?

#51 | Posted by john47 at 2022-07-28 09:37 PM | Reply

"Forced-birth advocates should be honest enough to acknowledge that protections for "fetal life" are nothing more than state enactment of a particular religious dogma. Moreover, they should ask themselves: If they value the right to opt out of state laws to protect their religious views, why do they find it acceptable to deny the same protections for those who don't agree that personhood starts at conception?"

Jennifer Rubin

#52 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2022-07-28 09:40 PM | Reply

#48 She was not forced to wait. Her doctor made that decision. Texas DOES provide an exception for medical emergencies, and her situation easily fit the criterion needed to justify an abortion. Her doctors and the Hospital board did not have the courage to do the right thing. Her situation was caused by the hastily enacted law, but the cowardly medical staff contributed.

#50 According to you the only difference between abortion and infanticide is less than 24 hours and whether the killing takes place inside or outside the womb, so not sure why you be,ievevthat significantly differentiates the two.

C. You so sure about that? I'm not. Several states have no limitations whatsoever. No "full stop,". If you are so sure all late term abortions are justifiable due to life of mother or fetus, then why would you object to a law requiring that?

#53 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-07-28 09:52 PM | Reply

- Ok, so 3 percent of 629000, only about 18,000, hardly worth consideration.

#31 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Assigning the position of lack of consideration to others is rather quaint, and really quite laughable.

Should we just decide now that than no one is a better concern troll than you?

Women were handling their health responsibly before you and your ilk decided to butt in.

But I guess we'll see if your State over personal responsibility bs is any more effective that what was already the norm with people making their own decisions.

Which is not only highly doubtful, but a poor choice for people who claim to admire freedom over state sanctions.

Next one supposes we'll next have laws on how many children a family can have, you know, since the state is so good at making these decisions.

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2022-07-28 09:52 PM | Reply

Ohio's draconian law is tvery very wrong. The constituents won't stand for it. The legislators who advanced the Ohio law will be pay at the polls and be replaced, and the law will be repealed.

Some of the same people who told us the SC would never overturn Roe are now telling us voters across the country are going to vote out anti-abortion lawmakers. As Eberly likes to point out, people may tell pollsters they are against Roe being overturned, but how likely are they to vote based solely on that issue, which doesn't usually rank high on the list of voters' concerns relative to other issues? We'll have to see it to believe it.

#55 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-07-28 10:36 PM | Reply

...legislators who advanced the Ohio law will be pay at the polls... and the law will be repealed.
#36 | Posted by Miranda7

This will not happen. My prediction is that you personally will vote again for the folks that passed these laws. Or are you saying you will vote Democratic in order to help get these laws repealed?

#56 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2022-07-29 07:14 AM | Reply

#15 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7 AT 2022-07-28 06:13 PM | FLAG: SOMEONE WHO HAS NO MEDICAL EXPERENCE AND A 3RD GRADE SCIENCE EDUCATION.

You have no idea how a fetus develops. That "heartbeat" exists without a heart! Yup, there is no heart formed at 6 weeks, the fetus still has a tail and no nervous system is developed either, SO NOT PAINFUL. In fact the nervous system is not developed until - 23-25 weeks' gestation. Even if a child was born at this age, they will be lucky to live and will have many disabilities. That the GQP will not pay for and will blame the mother.

You do realize there are more genetic testing that is done in the second trimester. The quad test screens for Down syndrome, Edwards syndrome (trisomy 18), and NTDs. It is done between 15 weeks and 22 weeks of pregnancy. Also, birth defects can happen at any time during pregnancy. Look at the add being run in Texas, a couple finding out their child has a horrible development and will only live a few hours or days but will be in pain and suffer the entire time. They must give birth to this child and let it suffer and have the mother have potential complications in birth, considering the USA has the highest rate of maternal prenatal deaths of ALL DEVELOPED COUNTRIES.

You really have no ability to learn do you??????

#57 | Posted by Enlightened at 2022-07-29 09:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Ohio's draconian law is tvery very wrong."

It was wrong according to Roe.
It's not wrong according to Dobbs.
Yet you oppose Roe and support Dobbs.
Why?

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-29 10:31 AM | Reply

Miranda7 has very quickly blossomed into a JeffJ kind of poster.

Repeats the same old lies, gets called out, runs away.

Next day, repeats the same old lies, gets called out, runs away.

But also has JeffJ's provincial worldview and
tattle tale, busybody mindset. Thinks it's the government's business to regulate every pregnancy.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-29 10:35 AM | Reply

When the penalty for aborting after rape is more severe than the penalty for rape, that's when you know it's a war on women.

Mohamad Safa

#60 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-07-29 10:59 AM | Reply

I can't believe we're back to arguing this ----.

#61 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-07-29 12:04 PM | Reply

15 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7 AT 2022-07-28 06:13 PM | FLAG: SOMEONE WHO HAS NO MEDICAL EXPERENCE AND A 3RD GRADE SCIENCE EDUCATION.
You have no idea how a fetus develops. That "heartbeat" exists without a heart! Yup, there is no heart formed at 6 weeks, the fetus still has a tail and no nervous system is developed either, SO NOT PAINFUL. In fact the nervous system is not developed until - 23-25 weeks' gestation. Even if a child was born at this age, they will be lucky to live and will have many disabilities. That the GQP will not pay for and will blame the mother.
You do realize there are more genetic testing that is done in the second trimester. The quad test screens for Down syndrome, Edwards syndrome (trisomy 18), and NTDs. It is done between 15 weeks and 22 weeks of pregnancy. Also, birth defects can happen at any time during pregnancy. Look at the add being run in Texas, a couple finding out their child has a horrible development and will only live a few hours or days but will be in pain and suffer the entire time. They must give birth to this child and let it suffer and have the mother have potential complications in birth, considering the USA has the highest rate of maternal prenatal deaths of ALL DEVELOPED COUNTRIES.
You really have no ability to learn do you??????
#57 | POSTED BY ENLIGHTENED AT 2022-07-29 09:42 AM | FLAG: SOKMEONE WHO LACKS THE ABILITY TO READ AND CRITICALLY THINK SO RESORTS TO STRAWMAN ATTACKS ASSIGNING POSITIONS TO OTHERS

Apparently you have me confused with someone who is in favor of heartbeat bills (I am not) and you also have me confused with someone who does not support abortion in the case of fetal abnormality (I do). I have made my positions on those topics perfectly clear, yet you want to assign the opposite position to me.

Apparently you confuse easily. I do NOT support the Texas or Ohio laws. I DO think it is a very bad idea to spread misinformation about these laws, for example, lying about rules concerning medical emergencies, ectopic pregnancies, etc. Telling women they CAN't get medical care for an ectopic pregnancy or other medical emergency in Texas, for example, does not advance reform, it is the sort of fearmongering that will CAUSE death, not save lives

#62 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-07-29 03:14 PM | Reply

"Apparently you have me confused with someone who is in favor of heartbeat bills (I am not)"

Nonsense.

You are in favor of the Supreme Court ruling that allowed heartbeat laws to take effect.

Ergo, you are in favor of heartbeat laws.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-29 03:37 PM | Reply

"it is the sort of fearmongering"

Fearmongering?

It's a true story.
So is the one about the Ohio girl.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-29 03:38 PM | Reply

"In the meantime there will be suffering. In the long run there will be balance."

Just saw this ...

And you are ok with creating that suffering? Isn't there enough suffering in the world?

And also there was "balance" before the supremes decided to muck it all up and upset the "balance".

And now come the consequences.

#65 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-07-29 04:54 PM | Reply

"In the long run there will be balance."

There was balance before Republicans broke things.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-29 04:54 PM | Reply

48 She was not forced to wait. Her doctor made that decision. Texas DOES provide an exception for medical emergencies, and her situation easily fit the criterion needed to justify an abortion. Her doctors and the Hospital board did not have the courage to do the right thing. Her situation was caused by the hastily enacted law, but the cowardly medical staff contributed.
#50 According to you the only difference between abortion and infanticide is less than 24 hours and whether the killing takes place inside or outside the womb, so not sure why you be,ievevthat significantly differentiates the two.
C. You so sure about that? I'm not. Several states have no limitations whatsoever. No "full stop,". If you are so sure all late term abortions are justifiable due to life of mother or fetus, then why would you object to a law requiring that?

#53 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

You're insane. She was forced to wait because the doctors refused to give her an abortion. You can't even see the insanity when it is screaming in your face. Did not have the courage? Why should it even be a question? The doctors were CLEARLY afraid of a felony indictment. What logical person wouldn't be?

BECAUSE DOCTORS WILL FACE FELONY INDICTMENTS!

the law was NOT hastily enacted! It was in the planning stages for decades! It is the INTENT of the law to force women into these situations!

Because some people believe with all their heart that a 4-inch fetus has more rights than the person carrying it.

You need to be instructed in the difference between an abortion and infanticide. Really? Here is a clue, one requires a medical professional one doesn't. JFC that has to be explained to you? Do you believe doctors will regularly/willingly abort a fetus at 40 weeks so a woman can take a vacation? Again, INSANITY.

Listen closely, I object to it because I firmly believe that a woman should have full bodily autonomy.

And again, if a woman wants a late term abortion she has to find a doctor to perform that service and that doctor will have their own morals/ethics which will stop them from aborting a heathy fetus so the woman can go on vacation

#67 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-07-29 05:44 PM | Reply

"Her doctors and the Hospital board did not have the courage to do the right thing."

Congratulations, Republicans!
You Built That.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-29 06:12 PM | Reply

Apparently you've never heard of Kermit Gosnell, probably the only doctor ever incarcerated for performing an abortion. Maybe you could get Biden to pardon him..

#69 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-07-29 10:49 PM | Reply

Maybe you could get Biden to pardon him..
#69 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

On it.

#70 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-07-29 10:51 PM | Reply

UPDATE: Sleepy Joe said no.

#71 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-07-29 10:51 PM | Reply

When it comes to Miranda these post-Roe debates, I think Snoofy nailed it--in a nonsexual way!--up thread:

Miranda7 has very quickly blossomed into a JeffJ kind of poster.
Repeats the same old lies, gets called out, runs away.
Next day, repeats the same old lies, gets called out, runs away.
#59 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

#72 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-07-29 11:00 PM | Reply

Miranda *and* these post-Roe debate

#73 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-07-29 11:02 PM | Reply

Miranda7 fully embodies George Orwell's famous quote from 1984:

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-30 08:49 AM | Reply

I would offer this 12 year old crisis actor and Greta want-a-be an aspirin with these instructions. Place the aspirin between your knees and hold it there and you won't get pregnant.

#75 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-07-30 09:40 AM | Reply

#75 Thinks an aspirin stops a rapist.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-07-30 09:48 AM | Reply

Chances of rape are much less if she can stay out of Christine Blasey Ford's imaginary world.

#77 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-07-30 10:11 AM | Reply

My prediction is that this thread will be devoid of pro-life conservatives.

#2 | Posted by truthhurts

They're as common as dodo birds.

Same people won't vaxx, won't wear masks, support the death penalty, and vote for politicians who seek to defund safety nets that keeps people alive.

#78 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-07-30 11:40 AM | Reply

There are some really sick people out there.

They could care less about a silly 12 year old girls feelings or otherwise.

Unless she is ready to breed.

#79 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-07-30 12:06 PM | Reply

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