According to Miranda back alley abortions are the solution.

#14
You are a lying POS. I'm not sure how you wake up in the morning and face yourself in the mirror, knowing the only way you can get ahead in life is by fabricating stories about other people. You are a bonafude sociopath and need to seek help.

#15 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Miranda, a back-alley abortion is EXACTLY what you are advocating. You are advocating that doctors take on the responsibility for abortions when the medical and legal profession say it is or might be illegal. Therefore, doctors providing abortions are either performing an illegal or potentially illegal activity. They would have to perform the abortion outside of the legal framework. That is the definition of a back-alley abortion.

Again, using the Texas woman's story. With the fetus alive and the woman's life not in any immediate danger an abortion would be illegal. that is not even debatable. So, you advocate for an illegal abortion aka back-alley abortion.

I'm sorry you find the conclusion objectionable but that is what it is. I get it, back-alley abortion has an abominable connotation. Sometimes the issue has to be framed a certain way for it to sink in-iow truth hurts

Now I know you will respond that an abortion prior to the fetus' death would have been legal, but that simply isn't true.

As you pointed out, Texas law: "Medical emergency" means a life-threatening physical condition aggravated by, caused by, or arising from a pregnancy that, as certified by a physician, places the woman in danger of death or a serious risk of substantial impairment of a major bodily function unless an abortion is performed.

the woman's life or impairment of major bodily function was not at risk upon the initial loss of the amniotic fluid. From what I gather from the article there was a very small possibility the fetus could have survived 7 to 8 weeks for it to become viable (with severe health issues). So, again, your argument simply fails.

Now consider the 10-year-old rape victim in Ohio.

A 10-year-old being pregnant is self-evidently a threat to that child's life.

Yet Ohio doctors said they could not provide her with an abortion.

For the Ohio doctors to perform an abortion they would have had to perform an illegal abortion, aka a back-alley abortion.

Fortunately for that child she has an alternative available.

How about this scenario Miranda

A woman gets pregnant. A few weeks later she finds out she has an aggressive form of cancer. In order for her to have a chance at survival she will have to receive aggressive chemo and radiation therapy which will likely either kill or severely damage the fetus.

Since her immediate life is not at risk, she does not meet the life-threatening emergency loophole.

I presume you believe the doctor should have the courage to provide her with an abortion.

For her to receive an abortion in a -------- state, the abortion would be illegal, aka a back-alley abortion.

IOW you have no response and want to whine

Miranda you have your head buried in the sand. Your argument comes down to doctors should ignore any potential liability and do abortions. The theoretical and real life examples presented over the past few days show that the abortions you claim the doctor can do are illegal. That is crystal clear. You want that to not be the case, but you are wrong. I get that that is hard to accept, but it is reality we are facing. And let me be perfectly clear, any illegal abortion IS a back-alley abortion-by definition.

Pretty pathetic to drag posts from one thread to another, and pretty desperate to "interpret" the words of others through your distorted lens instead of accepting them at face value.
Nevertheless, I stand behind my words. The post you quoted means exactly what it says and nothing more. Recognizing WHY Roe failed doesn't mean I wanted it to fail. I didn't.
Now, how about you stop making this about me and move on to offering some realistic solutions.

#31 | POSTED BY MIRANDA

Pretty pathetic to drag posts from one thread to another
Nevertheless, I stand behind my words.

LOL

You can't make this stuff up.

Truth Hurts Donut

Miranda, I am accepting your words at face value.

I am solely reflecting them back at you in terms of reality.

You state doctors lack courage to perform abortions. Those situations where abortion need courage are, questionably legal AT BEST. Several examples have been presented showing you that situation in real life. So, you want doctors to perform what is, at best, most likely illegal (or outright) illegal abortions. Illegal abortions are by definition back-alley abortions. Thus, you support back-alley abortions. I get it, back-alley abortions have a negative connotation, and you don't want to believe you are advocating for them. I get it, that would be reprehensible. But the objective fact is that is what you are supporting.

You say doctors should just do the abortion, but doctors operate within a medical framework meaning hospitals, technicians, nurses, administrators, support staff all would be involved in that decision making process. Especially in the controversial cases ie potential medical emergency cases, pregnant children. Therefore, a whole slew of people have to provide the assistance in that situation, they ALL have to make the decision to provide the abortion. Again, these are IRREFUTABLE BACTS. In states they have and are planning a variety of penalties to doctors AND others who provide abortions ranging from felony indictments to bounties on anyone assisting in the abortion. Again, irrefutable facts.

So, your solution is that a whole slew of people have to face, at best, onerous attacks ranging from going to prison or fighting lawsuits that will cost the people filing the lawsuits absolutely nothing.

That is the obvious result of what you advocate for.

Now, how about you stop making this about me and move on to offering some realistic solutions.

#31 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Taking a grass roots approach and attempting to influence an individual is a realistic solution (one among many). By pointing out the error of your ways, the hypocrisy in your beliefs, the harm that the policies you support, the ramifications of the votes that you make is one of the most effective ways possible to effect change. Yes, that method requires you, the target, to accept criticism and be mature. Because YOU have to accept that your votes for republican politicians has resulted in the stripping away of the rights for women. Truth Hurts. The truth hurts because YOU need to understand that YOU are mistaken in your beliefs. Not necessarily in a belief that abortion should be regulated due to some perception you have over the value of a fetus, but in the way that regulation is now being implemented. Because YOUR beliefs ignore the negative impacts of those decisions. And maybe other people who see this debate will reflect on their actions and consider the results of the policies they support.

And I am not saying necessarily that you support barbaric fetal heartbeat laws or no exclusions for rape or ------. I am saying that the barbarism we are seeing is the obvious result of overturning roe. And I will not let you or anyone else thread a needle that you supported overturning roe without supporting the obvious results of overturning roe. Because YOU need to understand and accept that that is the natural result of YOUR choice.

BTW there are no simple short-term solutions. There are radical short-term solutions and hard long-term solutions, but no simple and easy to implement short term solutions.

The radicals who overturned roe and implemented a massive societal upheaval have been working towards that goal for decades.

We have been warning you, screaming at you, that the inevitable result of overturning roe would be abysmal, that it would cause tragedies for many many people. And this is only the short-term impact. The long-term impact will be increases in poverty and crime. It will, in the long term, have a major impact on women's roles in society. Many women's lives will now be decided by pregnancies when they are young. That is an irrefutable fact. This will limit many women's ability to get educated, to pursue careers, to be independent financially. And that is barbaric, something that pulls society backwards. And THAT end should be rejected by anyone who does not hate women.

But a lot of people hate women.

Piss poor effort at trolling eberly you jackass

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Poor twoothy being the victim once again.
And of course it's my fault.
It's my fault some soon to be knocked up 19 year old's life is potentially shattered.
As though I got them pregnant then I stood between them and their abortion procedure.
Because I really hate them.

#49 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You're a pathetic loser. I made one response to you calling you a piss poor troll.

And here you exhibit your pathetic modus operandi, trying to make a discussion about you.

---- off troll

"make a discussion about you."
No, I'm making it about YOU!
Isn't it fun?

#55 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Poor twoothy being the victim once again.
And of course it's my fault.
It's my fault some soon to be knocked up 19 year old's life is potentially shattered.
As though I got them pregnant then I stood between them and their abortion procedure.
Because I really hate them.
#49 | POSTED BY EBERLY

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But feel free to get the last word, I won't be responding to you on this thread again