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Tuesday, August 02, 2022

Charlie Kirk's Turning Point USA (TPUSA) outfit has a white nationalist problem. Like the proverbial traveler who regularly lies down with dogs, he keeps finding he has a nasty flea infestation everywhere he turns. Like the neo-Nazis who turned up recently outside a TPUSA event in Florida and made an ugly scene. Kirk's solution to the problem: Pretend to be a Nazi hunter! And to transform the absurdity of it all into an unregenerate travesty, anoint as one of your chief fellow Nazi hunters one of the most obstreperous white nationalist trolls in the right-wing media! Yeah, that'll work.


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Kirk has had a white nationalist problem for a while. First, he found his college-friendly gatherings for eager young conservatives invaded by an endless stream of cynical white nationalists from Nicholas Fuentes' "Groyper Army" who would badger him with questions pointed at the incoherence of his appeal: Namely, if you're going to court young Trumpists, why not skip the plausible deniability and just embrace the racism and antisemitism inherent to white nationalism?

After more than a year of what became known as the "Groyper Wars," Kirk finally raised the white flag earlier this year by making his associations with white nationalists explicit, including "Groyper" figures as speakers at TPUSA events.

Kirk has struggled to elude being associated with the extremism his brand of politics produces. At an October 2021 event in Idaho, one audience member asked him: "When do we get to use the guns? ... How many elections are they gonna steal before we kill these people?" Kirk's response amounted to a chagrined agreement, saying that the query was just "overly blunt" and agreeing that "we are living under fascism."


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Has he looked in the mirror?

#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-08-02 10:06 AM | Reply

Kirk is pulling a Putin.

I'm sure he'll hire a group of Nazis to "track down" those Nazis soon enough. Oops. Too late.

#2 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-08-02 10:10 AM | Reply

Yes, we the police will investigate ourselves and assure everyone that there is nothing to the allegations made.

That always works and we (the ones hunting) will be offended by anyone asking followup questions.

#3 | Posted by Lohocla at 2022-08-02 10:12 AM | Reply

What strikes me as odd is the apparent "normalcy" of white supremacy nowadays.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-02 10:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Has it ever not been normal in the US?

#5 | Posted by qcp at 2022-08-02 01:23 PM | Reply

@#5 ... Has it ever not been normal in the US? ...

I don't remember it being talked about as openly as it is nowadays.

I agree that it's always been around, but I just don't remember it talked about and acted upon so openly.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-02 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Did he hire OJ as an investigator?

#7 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-08-02 01:56 PM | Reply

#6, Maybe you're just more aware now?

We used to have semi-regular Klan rallies marching through local towns here in NC back in the 80s and 90s, now they all just go to Trump events.

If you go back to the 60s it was the law of the land for nearly half of the country.

#8 | Posted by qcp at 2022-08-02 02:09 PM | Reply

Oceanside, CA. 1980.

"By the 1970s, though, some Marines at Camp Pendleton openly advertised their membership in the group. They wore KKK insignia and posted fliers threatening to blacks. In 1976, a group of 14 black Marines stormed into a room on the base where they thought the Klan was meeting and beat a half-dozen whites there. They had the wrong room.

Thirteen of the Marines were jailed and charged with crimes. The Klan members were put in protective custody and shipped to other bases, according to news reports at the time. It wasn't against regulations then to belong to an extremist group. It is now.

Oceanside was also the site of a Klan-related riot in 1980. About 50 Klansmen rallying at John Landes Park got into a rock-and bottle-throwing brawl with 200 anti-Klan protesters. One of the protesters was seriously injured. Police shot and killed a Doberman held by a Klan member after it attacked a police dog and its handler.

The leader of the Klan told reporters that the melee was "worth it to stand up for freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. We'd do it again."

His name was Tom Metzger."

#9 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-08-02 02:37 PM | Reply

"Metzger, a television repairman, made national headlines in 1980 when he won the Democratic primary for a North County seat in Congress. He was trounced in the general election, but his profile grew in certain circles. He started his own group, which eventually became known as White Aryan Resistance. Its acronym, WAR, was entirely intentional.

"We are in a white civil war," Metzger said on one of the many telephone "hotline" messages he recorded for followers to hear. "Our white leaders are traitors to their race and Jews assist them in our destruction."

By the late-1980s, Metzger was considered one of the most influential white separatists in the country, collecting more than $100,000 in donations annually, most of it in cash. His weekly cable TV show, "Race and Reason," was shown in 31 major markets -- Chicago, Pittsburgh, Boston, Seattle, Los Angeles -- and accounted for more than half of the hate programming nationwide, according to a study by the Anti-Defamation League.

He also spread his message through a newspaper, pamphlets and, later, a website. He became so notorious that at least one San Diegan whose last name was Metzger changed it because she didn't want people to think she was related."

#10 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-08-02 02:39 PM | Reply

@#8 ... Maybe you're just more aware now? ...

That's always a possibility.

But in the past, I don't remember white supremacists leaflets being distributed out in neighborhoods around the state here.

For example...

Hateful flyers surface in 15 Connecticut towns; state police and FBI investigating

...Another Connecticut community, Berlin, has fallen victim to hate speech after a still mysterious person scattered racist flyers all over the streets.

In past incidents, the flyers weren't placed in mailboxes or door jams, they were just thrown everywhere. While the content of the flyers is protected as free speech, the state police are also investigating it with a newly formed hate crimes unit.

"I definitely am not pro-white nationalism and I don't necessarily know that anyone in this neighborhood is," remarked Danielle Urciullo of Berlin.

Hate speech is on the rise. Stacey Sobel, the Regional Director of the Anti-Defamation League of Connecticut said, "In Connecticut, in the last four years we have seen a 20X increase in white supremacy propaganda including flyers, stickers, graffiti and banners."

Over just the last several months, 15 Connecticut communities have been targeted by the Nationalist Social Club, a neo-Natzi white supremacy organization looking to recruit, "like-minded men & women dedicated to defending their lands and their people," according to their flier.

That overt recruiting is new around here.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-02 04:00 PM | Reply

lol, legallyyourdumb has to back over 40 years for his Whataboutisms to defend Nazi enablers.

That's hard werk!

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-02 04:06 PM | Reply

"Hateful flyers surface in 15 Connecticut towns"

iT's WoRsE tHaN nInE-eLeVeN!!!

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-02 04:21 PM | Reply


This was the part of the article I noted in #11 that I thought was appropriate...

...Stacey Sobel, the Regional Director of the Anti-Defamation League of Connecticut said, "In Connecticut, in the last four years we have seen a 20X increase in white supremacy propaganda including flyers, stickers, graffiti and banners."...

A 20 times increase in the past 4 years.

That's the sort of thing I've noticed.

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-02 04:43 PM | Reply


You missed my point, chucklehead. Lamp said he didn't remember Nazis being so open. I showed the example from the 80's.

How the ---- am I defending them, dumbass? Lay off the bourbon, pal.

#15 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-08-02 05:23 PM | Reply

-Lay off the bourbon, pal.

Now there's a projection. You might want to switch to Vodka. I hope your carcinogen and congeners aren't the death of you!

I prefer cannabis tinctures, CBG and D8 are good together. But they could be just as dangerous if they are chemically extracted rather than by CO2... or so they tell me.

And bringing up Tom Metzger is always offensive!

As a teen in Texas I saw KKK bidness cards set on some restaurant and gas station and other business counters, but it was all still pretty much on the edge of acceptability.

In the 80's Metzger was known because he was an anomaly; a proud and loud, out of the closet racist.

Today he's in your face almost everywhere, almost every day.

Love you, man!

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-02 06:46 PM | Reply

I lived in Oceanside in the 80's. I know plenty about Tom Metzger and his punk-ass kid.

#17 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-08-02 07:43 PM | Reply

I hate that guy, too!


Geraldo's Nose

#18 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-08-02 07:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Tommy boy had to move to his mama's house in Indiana because he lost everything in court. No wonder you love him, Maokey Pox.

#19 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-08-02 08:31 PM | Reply

W.A.R. used to put pamphlets in our lockers in high school. They were hilarious.

#20 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-08-02 08:32 PM | Reply

Metzger's battles with Wally George were hilarious.

#21 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-08-02 09:12 PM | Reply

@#15 ... Lamp said he didn't remember Nazis being so open. I showed the example from the 80's. ...

Your example was not applicable to the comment I made.

As I noted in #14... a 20 times increase in the past 4 years.

So, please try to post more applicable comments.


#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-02 10:25 PM | Reply

What strikes me as odd is the apparent "normalcy" of white supremacy nowadays.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-02 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

| Newsworthy 2

Has it ever not been normal in the US?

#5 | Posted by qcp at 2022-08-02 01:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Growing up I remember various NAZI groups marching and they made the news because of the riots that inevitably broke out whenever their filth made a public appearance as well it should. NAZIsm is a disgusting political view of race superiority that led to the systematic torture and killing of six million innocent Jews.

The early efforts of the NAZIs were crude.... imagine being a family where the father was seperated from the mother and children... the father sent to a slave labor camp and forced to work while being given a hundred calories a day to live on consisting or moldy or spoiled food while the mother and children are loaded into a van and driven while the exhaust is pumped into the cargo hold suffocating slowly all the inhabitants choking and the foul diesel exhaust watching your child die. Later they moved onto using huge buildings where humans were systematically gassed to death under the lie that they were being given showers..choking to death as their lungs filled with foam from exposure to poison gas. In the end they just gave up on killing them first and just burnt children while they were alive.

Medical experiments where innocent civilians were forced to have their limbs frozen to see the long term effect of frost bite. Losing limbs as fingers and toes could be snapped off before succumbing to untreated infections. Being forced to drink saltwater to find ways to make it survivable. High altitude experiments to see the upper limit of altitude that people could survive at. Being injected with malaria, typhus, tuberculosis, etc. Testing various method of bone grafting. Used in testing of exposure of phosgene and mustard gas.

Fat Nixon made these -------- proud to come out from under their rocks. Anyone that identifies with these monsters is a piece of garbage.

Sporkfoot three toes embracing christian nationalism is just another reason why she is not fit to serve in congress.

#23 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-08-03 08:25 AM | Reply


No thanks.

#24 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-08-03 09:46 AM | Reply

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