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For poor children, living in an area where people have more friendships that cut across class lines significantly increases how much they earn in adulthood, the new research found.

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... The study, published Monday in Nature, analyzed the Facebook friendships of 72 million people, amounting to 84 percent of U.S. adults aged 25 to 44.

Previously, it was clear that some neighborhoods were much better than others at removing barriers to climbing the income ladder, but it wasn't clear why. The new analysis -- the biggest of its kind -- found the degree to which the rich and poor were connected explained why a neighborhood's children did better later in life, more than any other factor.

The effect was profound. The study found that if poor children grew up in neighborhoods where 70 percent of their friends were wealthy -- the typical rate of friendship for higher-income children -- it would increase their future incomes by 20 percent, on average.

These cross-class friendships -- what the researchers called economic connectedness -- had a stronger impact than school quality, family structure, job availability or a community's racial composition. The people you know, the study suggests, open up opportunities, and the growing class divide in the United States closes them off. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-02 10:52 AM | Reply

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What 21 billion Facebook friendships say about the economic ladder in the US
www.theverge.com

...Meta publicly released information on 21 billion Facebook friendships as part of a research project looking at economic inequality in the United States, the company announced today. Along with new insights into the intersection of money and friendships in America, the partnership between Meta and the researchers gives us another look at who Facebook is willing to share data with -- and why. ...

Meta and Facebook tout the Data for Good program as a signal of the company's willingness to partner with outside research teams and share the troves of data from its platform. And that data is often incredibly useful for researchers; it helped track how people's movement changed over the pandemic, for example.

But that openness has primarily been focused on research into how people live their lives outside of Facebook, not how Facebook or other Meta platforms, like Instagram, influence people's lives or behavior. The company has been much less willing to partner with external researchers or share raw data on things like the mental health of people who use Meta's products. ...


Chart in the article: "A dataset shows how many people have friends outside of their income bracket."


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-02 10:55 AM | Reply

"The people you know, the study suggests, open up opportunities"

As I've heard this one explained:

"It's not who you know, it's who knows you."

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-02 01:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Of course, the next question becomes...

How are those relationships forged?

Gated communities?

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-02 07:38 PM | Reply

This also explains why conservatives who aren't already poor don't have any poor friends.

They want the poor to suffer.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-02 07:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#5 ... They want the poor to suffer. ...

I don't know if I'd go that far at this point.

My view is that the wealthy (a.k.a. conservatives) want the poor as the workers who generate the wealth the wealthy enjoy.

My view is that the conservatives want two classes in our society: the wealthy and the poor. They do not want a middle class.

They just want workers to produce the wealth they enjoy, without those workers benefiting from the wealth created.

It is why Republicans focus on the undocumented aliens and not the companies that hire them.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-02 08:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The study found that if poor children grew up in neighborhoods where 70 percent of their friends were wealthy -- the typical rate of friendship for higher-income children -- it would increase their future incomes by 20 percent, on average."

Monkey see ... .monkey do?

#7 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-02 08:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Eberly, the most disgusting thing about your comment is:

I did not think of it first.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-02 08:58 PM | Reply

@#7 ... Monkey see ... .monkey do? ...

Perhaps the wealthy seeing the friendships created and the benefits thereof will encourage other wealthy to pursue that path.

Who knows?

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-02 09:23 PM | Reply

My point is that poor kids are how other folks mange their lives and they might be connecting with those decisions

Then they move on to making better life decisions when they are older

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-02 10:11 PM | Reply

@#10 ... My point is that poor kids are how other folks mange their lives ...

Well, then, why didn't you say that instead of your other ambiguous comment?

To your point, I disagree.

... poor kids are how other folks mange their lives ...

You seem to deny any effect upon those lives created by the environment they have to live within.

And what does your comment mean by "other folk?"

Is there a systemic force that "keeps them in their place"?

Why, in the chart in the article I cited in #2 do the southern states of the United States seem to be so reluctant to have cross-class friendships?



#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-02 10:22 PM | Reply

Sorry. Meant to say poor kids might see how ... .

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-02 10:32 PM | Reply

-And what does your comment mean by "other folk?"

Wealthy folks who make better life decisions.

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-02 10:35 PM | Reply

@#13 ... Wealthy folks who make better life decisions. ...

So you seem to think that wealthy folk make better life decisions?

Why does your comment seem to ignore the headwinds that face non-wealthy folks?

Or are your comments asserting that only the children of the wealthy have the ability to become wealthy?


#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-02 10:40 PM | Reply

Is there a systemic force that "keeps them in their place"?

There was also a recent study about how far people move from their place of birth. Over all I would say its immediate family first, then friends.

Why, in the chart in the article I cited in #2 do the southern states of the United States seem to be so reluctant to have cross-class friendships?

Why do you infer motivation? What about a chart indicates motivation? My guess is chance/statistics/odds, southern states in general are poorer, connections to wealthier people probably just randomly low odds.

The other thing this study doesn't indicate, because of its data source, most wealthy people don't use Facebook or socialmedia in general. There is a sampling bias to the study.

#15 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-02 10:42 PM | Reply

So you seem to think that wealthy folk make better life decisions?

You don't?

Do you think they make poorer life decisions?

#16 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-02 10:43 PM | Reply

Or are your comments asserting that only the children of the wealthy have the ability to become wealthy?

They have two parents, and are statistically more disciplined, whether that rubs off is up to the parenting. Second their wealthy friends are a positive influence, they tend to be more studious, industrious and curious. I would imagine combined it gives them a more positive chance of becoming wealthy, but not a certainty.

#17 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-02 10:46 PM | Reply

-So you seem to think that wealthy folk make better life decisions?

On a macro level, it's likely poor kids will see some more well off households who do indeed make better decisions.

Do you think e everyone who has money stole it and is devoid of any good choices?

Yes, I think some wealthy people do indeed make much better choices. And poorer kids might be seeing those choices and more specifically the results of making better life choices.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-02 10:47 PM | Reply

-Why does your comment seem to ignore the headwinds that face non-wealthy folks?

I believe I'm shining a light on those headwinds.

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-02 10:49 PM | Reply

@#15 ... There was also a recent study about how far people move from their place of birth. ...

There are a lot of "recent studies."

Why is that particular one apropos here? Or is your alias just kicking up sand, as it usually does?

... Why do you infer motivation? ...

I inferred nothing. I merely pointed to data.

@#16 ... You don't?

Do you think they make poorer life decisions?...

I didn't say that.

But it is a nice deflection attempt on the part of your current alias.

Do read the original article before you reply.

It may help your current alias to look less foolish.

(just tryin' to make you look good here....)

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-02 11:00 PM | Reply

@#19 ... I believe I'm shining a light on those headwinds. ...

That's not coming across in your comments, but if that is your goal....

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-02 11:01 PM | Reply

Yes, I think some wealthy people do indeed make much better choices. And poorer kids might be seeing those choices and more specifically the results of making better life choices.
#18 | POSTED BY EBERLY

This seems undeniably true.
Unfortunately it's been joined at the hip to this myth that working hard will bring wealth.
And then given a false morality where not having wealth is explained away as making bad choices, or being dumb, or lazy, which of course we're all free to do in a free society. It's Randianism in Reader's Digest form. But I digress.

As Justice Sotomayor explained it, when she was a little girl growing up, she didn't even know certain kinds of jobs existed. Poverty is accompanied by a lack of exposure to things that are better. Why is the proverbial way out of the ghetto rap or sports, and not insurance salesman?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-02 11:03 PM | Reply

Getting rich is largely about luck

theconversation.com

confirmed by the maths

bigthink.com

Attested to by Bezos, Zuckerberg, and Buffet

www.cnbc.com

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-02 11:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Getting rich is largely about luck

Rich vs wealthy .. there is a huge difference.

#24 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-02 11:58 PM | Reply


And poorer kids might be seeing those choices and more specifically the results of making better life choices.
#18 | POSTED BY EBERLY

They don't see the choice, they see the outcome. Very very few people see the choices other people make, much less understand them. The only thing we can determine is if they were good choices or bad, based upon outcome.

#25 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-03 12:00 AM | Reply

Rich vs wealthy .. there is a huge difference.

Great Chris Rock bit...

#26 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-08-03 12:01 AM | Reply


As Justice Sotomayor explained it, when she was a little girl growing up, she didn't even know certain kinds of jobs existed. Poverty is accompanied by a lack of exposure to things that are better. Why is the proverbial way out of the ghetto rap or sports, and not insurance salesman?

This isn't a choice; its exposure and I agree completely with this. Exposure helps you make better choices.

#27 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-03 12:02 AM | Reply

@#24 ... Rich vs wealthy .. there is a huge difference. ...

Really?

How so?

#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-03 12:10 AM | Reply

@#25 ... Very very few people see the choices other people make, much less understand them ...

Got links?

#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-03 12:11 AM | Reply

Dennis McCarthy - Where My Heart Will Take Me
www.youtube.com

Lyrics...

www.rockol.com

...
It's been a long road,
To get from there to here.
It's been a long time,
But my time is finally here.
And I can feel a change
In the wind right now.
Nothing's in my way.
And they're not gonna
Hold me down no more.
No they're not gonna hold me down.
'Cause I've got faith of the heart.

I'm going where my heart
Will take me.
I've got faith to believe.
I can do anything.
I've got strength of the soul.
And no one's going to bend
Or break me.
I can reach any star.
I've got faith,
I've got faith,
Faith of the heart.

It's been a long night,
Trying to find my way.
Been thru the darkness,
Now I finally have my day.
And I will see my dream
...


#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-03 12:18 AM | Reply

Study: Key to Reducing Poverty: More Rich/Poor Friendships

You hear that kids?

All you need do is go to an exclusive private school, join the local country club and buy a house in a gated community to overcome poverty.

#31 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-08-03 07:19 AM | Reply

The choices I'm talking about are basic yet critical life choices.

Choices that keep people out of poverty.

3 choices actually

lifesmartblog.com

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 09:02 AM | Reply

Getting rich is largely about luck

Luck has a thing to do in it.

More important is family connections and wealth....being born into the right family with allies that can help you. The idea of the self made billionaire is a myth.

#33 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-08-03 02:22 PM | Reply

Yep. That's the ticket.

#34 | Posted by fresno500 at 2022-08-03 04:42 PM | Reply

#33 | POSTED BY NIXON

Bill Gates is the only Billionaire that fits this description and even that's a stretch.

Luck/Hard work for Billionaires
Family/connections for 100s Million.
Work and good choices for Millionaires.

Imo

#35 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-03 05:44 PM | Reply

3 choices actually
- eberly

Aka success sequence.

#36 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-03 05:54 PM | Reply

And the key to inter-class friendships is funding good public schools and encouraging college for everyone. Instead of just trade schools where poor people will just hang out with other poor people.

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-03 06:11 PM | Reply

Let's not overlook the fact that rich folks don't give a crap about anything that doesn't concern them personally.
Poor kid in the ghetto? Not a second thought.
Poor kid that lives nearby and goes to school with your kids? Suddenly they are a concern.

#38 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2022-08-04 08:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

38

Fair point. And if a poor kids hangs around friends from a household that's not at all like their own.....that's a good experience for that poor kid.

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-04 09:29 AM | Reply

#37 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

This has been sold to you. Its a garbage idea. Just look at all the student loans owed by people that never graduated. Talk about starting life with the wrong foot. You probably don't own a home. Nothing more humbling paying the plumber/HAVC/Pool repair man $125 an hour to fix your home issues.


38
Fair point.
#39 | POSTED BY EBERLY

No it's not. Plenty of wealthy folks donate time and money to causes for the poor. This is just an excuse.

And if a poor kids hangs around friends from a household that's not at all like their own.....that's a good experience for that poor kid.

As I stated above, more exposure the youth has the better.

#40 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-04 09:39 AM | Reply

-Plenty of wealthy folks donate time and money to causes for the poor.

I know that's true but there is an overwhelming bad attitude and class envy.

Just accept it.

JFC, upthread it was suggested that wealthy people don't make better life choices than poor people.

It's all just luck. Nothing else.

LOL

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-04 09:49 AM | Reply

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