Advertisement

Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, August 03, 2022

Kansas voters on Tuesday struck down a proposed constitutional amendment that would remove language enshrining reproductive rights in their state, in a move widely seen as a victory for abortion rights activists.

More

Comments

Admin's note: Participants in this discussion must follow the site's moderation policy. Profanity will be filtered. Abusive conduct is not allowed.

As of 9:42 CDT, with 90% of the vote in, the "No" vote for changing Kansas' constitutional right to abortion was at 62.3%.

Kansas, bloody red Kansas.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-02 10:46 PM | Reply

Wait, what?

Kansas?

Overwhelmingly?

Kansas?

wtf?

I'm going to have to wait to see other reporting here.

This is just to tough to digest at the moment.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-02 10:47 PM | Reply

Republican candidates across the country just swallowed... hard.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-02 11:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Kansas has had a Dem governor for years, and would probably be a purple state without their hardcore Republican gerrymander. They aren't as backwater as people seem to think.

#4 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-02 11:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Further proof that Americans overwhelmingly support safe access to abortion.

#5 | Posted by qcp at 2022-08-02 11:11 PM | Reply

81% of Expected Vote Reporting
Response Vote Percentage Pct. Total Votes
No 61% 434,581
Yes 39% 276,591

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-02 11:11 PM | Reply

F Republicans

#7 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-08-02 11:54 PM | Reply

Like nearly all Americans Kansans if threatened with the outlawing of all abortions are pro-choice.

Why?

Because there's nothing Christian about forcing a woman to continue a non-viable pregnancy that could kill her.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2022-08-03 12:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's the matter with Kansas? Maybe not as much as we thought.

#9 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-08-03 07:33 AM | Reply

Because there's nothing Christian about forcing a woman to continue a non-viable pregnancy that could kill her.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2022-08-03 12:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

There's nothing human about it either.

Nothing like sitting a bathtub of your own blood while your body tries to expel the dead fetus for two weeks because of a law written by an old white man.

The GOP is full of ghouls.

#10 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-08-03 07:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How quickly people forget the original GOP POS, Brownback of Kansas.

Kansas still hasn't recovered from those evil days and I give them credit for trying.

It's more than my GOP idiot state is doing.

#11 | Posted by kudzu at 2022-08-03 08:02 AM | Reply

#11
Yesterday, KS GOPers nominated Kris Kobach - yup, the Inspector Clouseau of citizenship/immigration issues and more recently a peddler of fake COVID cures - as their fella for the state AG race in November.

#12 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-08-03 08:11 AM | Reply

With 99 percent of the vote in

NO - 58.8% - 534,136 votes
YES - 41.2% - 374,611 votes

www.nbcnews.com

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-03 08:15 AM | Reply

Claire McCaskill

@clairecmc
Thing I never thought I would say ... .thank God for Kansas.
9:11 PM Aug 2, 2022

#14 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-08-03 08:19 AM | Reply

#12 - Not just that loon Kobach, it was in all the other states that had elections. The Base of the GOP has lost their minds, and i couldn't be happier for November 2022 to get here.

#15 | Posted by YAV at 2022-08-03 08:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-This didn't go the way I thought it would.

"would probably be a purple state without their hardcore Republican gerrymander."

It's not gerrymandered. It's backwater.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 08:36 AM | Reply

Kobach lost statewide to a Dem in 2018. I look forward to him doing it again.

#17 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 08:38 AM | Reply

It's not gerrymandered

Yeah, it is.

#18 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 08:38 AM | Reply

Congratulations to Kansas. Not as crazy as it looks.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2022-08-03 08:39 AM | Reply

Kobach is so bad at being a lawyer that he was ordered by a federal judge to take additional CLE courses due to "repeated and flagrant violations" of the rules regarding disclosure of evidence. So it makes sense that Republicans would choose him to be the top lawyer in the state.

#20 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 08:41 AM | Reply

Now that anti-abortion forces lost in Kansas, time for another Republican-fascist fit involving clever games and overt threats to overthrow democracy.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2022-08-03 08:41 AM | Reply

It's being accused of being gerrymandered in this most recent alignment.

The lines had to be redrawn regardless and anyway you slice it, the result was going to be taking voters from blue areas and putting them in a red district.

I never saw the Democratic Party's suggested redistrict plan.

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 08:47 AM | Reply

Oh, and Kobach is a d-bag. He just won a primary. Don't fret just yet.

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 08:49 AM | Reply

The less reported concern I have with yesterdays election results is regarding governor.

Derek Schmidt is going to give our current Gov a run.

He's as much of a Brownback disciple as is Kobach.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 08:51 AM | Reply

-Kansas still hasn't recovered from those evil day

How do?

We currently have a $3B budget surplus.

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 08:54 AM | Reply

The less reported concern I have with yesterdays election results is regarding governor.

The interwebs are reporting that the Kansas forced birth coalitions will try and go after elected state Supreme Court justices this fall in the attempt to use the courts to overturn their ruling on abortion rights.

If that comes to pass, after seeing last night's results, statewide Republicans are looking at probable defeats if they align themselves with furthering any anti abortion rights policies, wouldn't you think?

#26 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-03 09:05 AM | Reply

26

There are some extremely safe republican seats in the State legislature. But there could be a few, but probably not a significant enough, state house/senate seats that could flip if those reps sided with with the anti-abortion crowd but it wouldn't change the balance of power.

I'm hoping that the effort fizzles out based on these election results......it wasn't even close.

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 09:14 AM | Reply

We'll see what happens in KS when 20% of the 60% who voted 'NO' vote for republicans in November..

#28 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2022-08-03 09:14 AM | Reply

28

Yes, they didn't resign from the republican party over this....they just decided to NOT allow the Kansas Legislature get between a woman and her doctor.

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 09:18 AM | Reply

#27

I was referring to statewide races, not localized state house or senate races.

How do you think abortion will impact the Governor's, AG, and perhaps US Senate races?

#30 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-03 09:22 AM | Reply

30

It might impact Governor....meaning it might help the incumbent, Laura Kelly against Derek Schmidt.

I doubt it will matter with AG unfortunately and no way it will matter in US senate races.

We aren't unseating Jerry Moran in the senate. He could set fire to an abortion clinic and still get re-elected.

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 09:29 AM | Reply

It's being accused of being gerrymandered in this most recent alignment.

It was badly gerrymandered by Republicans last cycle too, so much so that federal judges had to redraw the maps, and they didn't go nearly far enough to correct it.

anyway you slice it, the result was going to be taking voters from blue areas and putting them in a red district.

Please. The new Kansas maps weren't just a benign reaction to new census data, they were a deliberate, surgically precise partisan gerrymander beyond any shadow of a doubt. I suggest you read the thoughtful and voluminous district court decision making it incontrovertibly clear how bad the GOP gerrymander is in Kansas:
static1.squarespace.com

#32 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 09:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I never saw the Democratic Party's suggested redistrict plan.

Republicans hold veto-proof majorities and control the redistricting process. They barely allowed any debate on the issue, and passed the maps 72 hours after introducing them. Do you have any idea what's going on in your own state?

#33 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 09:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Way to go, Sammy Alito. You put a target below the GOP waterline.

#34 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-08-03 09:55 AM | Reply

they just decided to NOT allow the Kansas Legislature get between a woman and her doctor.

#29 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Dem or repub, we cannot lose sight of the fact that this is the whole point.

#35 | Posted by kudzu at 2022-08-03 09:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

29
..and when republicans in KS get elected we'll see how far they'll go to restrict abortion, knowing 60+% of their state believes in some sort of 'abortion rights' for women. Especially true if Schmidt wins election for governor.

#36 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2022-08-03 10:14 AM | Reply

Further proof that Americans overwhelmingly support safe access to abortion.

#5 | POSTED BY QCP

And that the so-called 'moral majority' is in fact neither.

#37 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-08-03 10:18 AM | Reply

I don't put a lot of stock in this Kansas decision. It's only one state and one state is a drop in the overall bucket.

The U.S. Supreme Court passed the buck, knowing full well that what the states give, the states can also take away.

All the U.S. Supreme Court decision did was get them off the hook.

Now the fight for abortion rights is up to the DOJ (at least for as long as a Democrat is President of the United State.) Baring that, this country is on the fast track to total authoritarianism.

The GOP and their Supreme Court bobbleheads have long range plans. What's left to stop them?

Don't count on your vote. Plans are in the works right now to nullify that, too.

#38 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-08-03 10:18 AM | Reply

Not to worry, EBERLY predicted all the broo-ha-ha with angry women voters will blow over by election day.

#39 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2022-08-03 10:19 AM | Reply

"The U.S. Supreme Court passed the buck, knowing full well that what the states give, the states can also take away. All the U.S. Supreme Court decision did was get them off the hook."

There's a long standing debate about how the legislature has for decades punted their responsibility to the courts. There's more than one branch that failed us on this question.

#40 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2022-08-03 10:21 AM | Reply

Dogma, meet karma.

#41 | Posted by anton at 2022-08-03 11:08 AM | Reply

Here is Kansas State Debt - www.usdebtclock.org

NO SUPLUS, surprise Eberly has no clue what is going on in his state.

#42 | Posted by Enlightened at 2022-08-03 11:23 AM | Reply

He's as much of a Brownback disciple as is Kobach.

I remember how well that worked out last time.

#43 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-08-03 11:36 AM | Reply

ENLIGHTENED

"Eberly has no clue what is going on in his state."

Does that really matter when there are so many, more important, things going on that will permanently alter our rights to life, liberty.

#44 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-08-03 11:37 AM | Reply

Republican candidates across the country just swallowed... hard.

#3 | POSTED BY CORKY

No, they didn't.

They're planning how to double down and go over the heads of their constituents and force their sky daddy views at the federal level.

At no point will they worry about respecting the will of the electorate. Ever.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-03 12:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#45 Exactly.

Additionally, people who traditionally vote Republican but respect abortion rights are still going to vote for Republicans. If the Kansas vote proves anything it's that Dems would be wise to bifurcate the abortion issue and solve it, be it by referenda in states that allow it and via intense push for standalone Roe codification at the federal level, rather than lazily relying on the electorate to turn entirely toward Dems based on this one issue.

#46 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just as ir is gere in Florida, the people overwhwlmingly approved the restoration of rights for felons who have served their sentences but Republicans in the legislature connived to prevent those people from voting by reqyiring all fees are paid before they can actually vote because tge will of the people does not matter to Repiblicans who just want to suppress Democratic votes. It is all they care about.

#47 | Posted by danni at 2022-08-03 12:27 PM | Reply

There are posts above that tells you everything you need to know about what's next for Kansans, directly from a devout follower

1) it doesn't matter what the people of Kansas want
2) the legislature will decide what's best regardless
3) Kansans will still vote for the GOP anyway
4) nothing can be done so why do any of this

#48 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-08-03 12:27 PM | Reply

Now if Dems swept Kansas elections based on a campaign that focused on abortion with a magnifying glass, i could see this being a very bad sign for Republicans. But that's not what this was. It was one vote on a singular issue, which Dems should take note of and replicate wherever they can.

#49 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 12:29 PM | Reply

Gosh its almost as if the republican agenda actually only represents a very small minority of americans.

We should put their whole agenda on the ballot like this.

Tax cuts for the rich? How many americans would actually vote for that?

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-03 12:46 PM | Reply

I never saw the Democratic Party's suggested redistrict plan.

#22 | Posted by eberly

The democratic party had a bill to end gerrymandering. Not a single republican would vote for it.

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-03 01:00 PM | Reply

The Kansas GOP has just lost the midterm races and maybe more.

There's going to be plenty of footage of every Republican running in the state of Kansas railing against abortion.

It will be enough to permanently change who represents the Sunflower State.

#52 | Posted by Tor at 2022-08-03 01:04 PM | Reply

This has always been the danger of sending the abortion issue back to the State politicians. A lot of hard core right wingers would do away with the right to choose in it's entirety if they have the power. Whereas if the people get to choose, some form of abortion will always be available to women no manner what the far right wingers try force on them from the Statehouse.

#53 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-08-03 01:04 PM | Reply

-Do you have any idea what's going on in your own state?

LOL

#54 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 01:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"On the eve of the vote, voters reportedly received misleading text messages telling them a "yes" vote would protect the right to an abortion, however. It's unclear who is responsible for sending out the message."

Is there any thing repubs DONT try to cheat on?

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-03 01:07 PM | Reply

"NO SUPLUS"

I said budget surplus, not "SUPLUS"

You sad sack of shtt.

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 01:27 PM | Reply

"For the first time in 23 years, Kansas state government ended the fiscal year without needing a short-term loan to cover operating expenses."

Wow, congratulations.

#57 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-08-03 01:36 PM | Reply

#46 it's turning into a quintessential Dem snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

They're expecting enough "outrage" over that singular issue because they assume everyone is on their page.

In reality, they're not. It's not enough to cause abandonment of the GOP when totality is considered.

Wonder if privacy rights argument would be as that's applicable to all in a very immediate manner.

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-03 01:47 PM | Reply

In eberlyz defense, it's hard to know everything going on in your own state when you are busy knowing everything about what's going on elsewhere in the world

#59 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-08-03 01:57 PM | Reply

Wonder if privacy rights argument would be as that's applicable to all in a very immediate manner.

As much as i'd like to think so, it's obvious Republicans only pretend to care about things like "privacy" and "rights" when it suits their sick worldview.

#60 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 02:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"EBERLY predicted all the broo-ha-ha with angry women voters will blow over by election day."

Huh?

I did?

I suspect a lot of republican women voted no on this issue.

Hell, even in my very red county, the yes votes were barely the majority.

Are a bunch of republican women switching sides? I don't know...but I don't think so.

#61 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 02:42 PM | Reply

You people pissing and moaning about gerrymandering need to examine what you think you see.

For example, is there a red state in this country you believe isn't gerrymandered? Of course not. They are all gerrymandered, correct?

There is no such thing as a true republican majority in any state....just the gerrymandered map that makes it look that way.

I concede that there are truly gerrymandered states and obvious attempts to gerrymander as much as possible in many if not most red states.

You ------- and moaners see the word "gerrymander" and you freak out.

It's as if many of you don't understand the process of redistricting is a necessary process. Population shifts force this to be done and it is going to involve taking more populated areas and moving it into a less populated area to equalize the populations of each district. This typically means pulling democratic voters in a district where they are the majority to a district where they won't be the majority.

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 02:51 PM | Reply

You ------- and moaners see the word "gerrymander" and you freak out.

#62 | Posted by eberly

You cheaters see the words "end gerrymandering" and you freak out.

Your agenda doesn't appeal to enough people to win fairly so you have to rig the game on every level.

If gerrymandering is done equally by both sides, why were dems trying to end it and why didn't any repubs support them?

Do you think a system where politicians pick their voters is better than a system where voters pick their politicians?

#63 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-03 02:58 PM | Reply

With what I said in #62, the newly drawn congressional district map in Kansas is gerrymandered. It's going to be harder for the democratic party rep in district 3 to retain her seat because some of Wyandotte county was removed from her district. (largely democratic party voters).

#64 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 02:59 PM | Reply

"For example, is there a red state in this country you believe isn't gerrymandered? Of course not. They are all gerrymandered, correct?
There is no such thing as a true republican majority in any state....just the gerrymandered map that makes it look that way"

^
This is approaching JeffJ level of Drama Queen.
I don't know anyone who thinks that.
But if you look at North Carolina and Wisconsin, you'll see Republicans with a lot more power than the voters gave them.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-03 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-If gerrymandering is done equally by both sides

never said that, fool.

#66 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 03:00 PM | Reply

"With what I said in #62, the newly drawn congressional district map in Kansas is gerrymandered."

LOL

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-03 03:05 PM | Reply

#62

The issue with gerrymandering goes further than just fractionalizing a localized majority. It also involves taking a group of largely urban/suburban voters and dividing them up into districts dominated by rural voters who don't have the same problems, needs, nor issue-interests that they do. By taking away any hope of electing a representative sensitive to these voters' concerns, it's often quite the opposite - you may end up with a MTG-type radical who doesn't just oppose their own minority constituent's interests, they might openly loathe or demean these voters altogether.

The main problem I see with Kansas is that prior to the latest redistricting, Kansas City was represented by one congressional district, and now it's been "cracked", moving some of its voters into a heavily GOP district and making the one left very competitive, where before it was at least 5pts Democratic-leaning.

#68 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-03 03:09 PM | Reply

#64

While I was writing and researching Ebs already said the same things.

#69 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-03 03:10 PM | Reply

-If gerrymandering is done equally by both sides

never said that, fool.

#66 | Posted by eberly

And that's why your side is terrified of ending it. They need to cheat to win. Dems propose a level playing field and not a single repub will sign on.

#70 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-03 03:14 PM | Reply

"The main problem I see with Kansas is that prior to the latest redistricting, Kansas City was represented by one congressional district, and now it's been "cracked", moving some of its voters into a heavily GOP district and making the one left very competitive, where before it was at least 5pts Democratic-leaning."

that's true....but that less populated rural district needed voters from somewhere. Don't get me wrong....it could have been done to keep that KC district solidly blue....now it's not.

Kansas city is mostly 2 counties. Wyandotte...which is to the North, much more heavily democratic party with more minority voters. To the South is Johnson County....much more white affluent county.

The voters in Johnson County are probably much happier with this new map.

#71 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 03:17 PM | Reply

"Dems propose a level playing field"

They might have to work to retain their only congressional seat in DC next time.

#72 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 03:21 PM | Reply

To the South is Johnson County....much more white affluent county.

The voters in Johnson County are probably much happier with this new map.

Steve Kornacki (MSNBC) focused on Johnson County today based on the results of this abortion voting. Funny thing, the county has gone from 57% for Romney, to 52ish or so (doing this from memory) for Trump in 2016, to 51% for Biden in 2020, and now 68% NO votes yesterday.

Bottom line, it appears that Johnson County is exactly the type of exurb that Democrats need to continue to increase their appeal in in order to compete and win elections. And it's more than likely it's more the extremism of today's GOP candidates/policies than it is some liberalization of the electorate. Johnson County is the very type of place where Trumpist Republicans are not going to do well.

#73 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-03 03:25 PM | Reply

You people pissing and moaning about gerrymandering need to examine what you think you see.

For example, is there a red state in this country you believe isn't gerrymandered? Of course not. They are all gerrymandered, correct?

You really are stupid, arent you. Of course there are legitimate red majorities in plenty of states. Even KS' red majority may have occurred without gerrymandering, but gerrymandering provided outsized influence beyond what voters would have given, both there and in several other places.

With what I said in #62, the newly drawn congressional district map in Kansas is gerrymandered.

Okay, so you admit that the entire comment that spawned your tirade against people discussing gerrymandering is true? Wjat a ------- ridiculous person you are.

#74 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 03:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Go for the Overland Park region and Topeka and you have a bit more than half the votes in Kansas.

For the record Overland Park elects Democrats.

#75 | Posted by Tor at 2022-08-03 03:36 PM | Reply

73/75

All good points.

Interesting point about senate representation from Kansas. With 1 exception, metro KC and Wichita have produced zero senators despite all of the population advantages for the past 40 years.

Nancy Landon Kassebaum was from Topeka (father was governor once upon a time). Otherwise, our senate representation has been from Dodge City (Pat Roberts), Jerry Moran (Hays), Bob Dole (Russell), and Dr. Roger Marshall (Great Bend).

Kansas City folks have run for senate seats time and time again....they never get anywhere. Weird......

#76 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 03:45 PM | Reply

"Dems propose a level playing field"

They might have to work to retain their only congressional seat in DC next time.

#72 | Posted by eberly

How come no repubs are proposing to end gerrymandering like dems are?

#77 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-03 03:45 PM | Reply

"Dems propose a level playing field"
They might have to work to retain their only congressional seat in DC next time.
#72 | POSTED BY EBERLY

So Eberly,
I know you're the World's Smartest Insurance Salesman or whatever, but
You can't Gerrymander when there's just one seat.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-03 03:46 PM | Reply

-Even KS' red majority may have occurred without gerrymandering,

A fact you just now learned, Mr. Kansas expert.

#79 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 03:47 PM | Reply

-It was badly gerrymandered by Republicans last cycle too, so much so that federal judges had to redraw the maps, and they didn't go nearly far enough to correct it.

which cycle are you talking about, Joe?

#80 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 03:49 PM | Reply

"-Even KS' red majority may have occurred without gerrymandering,"

aka "What's The Matter With Kansas"

According to the book, the political discourse of recent decades has dramatically shifted from social and economic equality to the use of "explosive" cultural issues, such as abortion and gay marriage, which are used to redirect anger toward "liberal elites." (wikipedia)

Abortion, you say.

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-03 03:51 PM | Reply

"which cycle are you talking about, Joe?"

The redistricting cycle.
Redistricting happens every ten years when there's a new Census.
Except in Texas, where they do it whenever they see the chance to Gerrymander away some Democrats.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-03 03:52 PM | Reply

-Of course there are legitimate red majorities in plenty of states.

I'm sure you're right but you fail to mention any.

Why is that? In fact, nobody has thrown 1 out. Not a single red state you believe isn't gerrymandered. neither in the state house nor with US congressional districts.

#83 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 03:52 PM | Reply

70% of Kansans who registered to vote after 6/24 (Dobbs decision) were women.
Lmao, GOP.

Rex Chapman

#84 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-03 03:58 PM | Reply

A fact you just now learned, Mr. Kansas expert.

No, i clearly stated upthread that they would be a purple state without their gerrymander, meaning the statewide vote could go either direction, as indicated by their 2018 governors race going blue and their 2020 presidential vote going red. But your little ape brain is so triggered by someone you dont like talking about the place you live that you can't help but accuse me of being wrong even when you overtly agree with me.

#85 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 04:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Joe, answer my 80.

#86 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 04:04 PM | Reply

The answer is in what you quoted. "Last cycle" refers to the redistricting that occurred after the 2010 census. If you stopped for a moment to think you'd know it occurs every ten years.

#87 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 04:06 PM | Reply

Of course, that was answered in 82 also, but you're too busy trying to find a way out of your retardation to notice

#88 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 04:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm sure you're right but you fail to mention any.

Arizona's maps are a pretty good example of a Republican majority that was fairly won and not exaggerated by partisan map drawing. Unsurprisingly, they have a citizen initiative that took redistricting power away from politicians and gave it to an independent redistricting commission.

As a side note, the Princeton Gerrymandering Project uses widely accepted metrics to analyze and score state legislative and congressional maps for partisan fairness or lack thereof. You can go read all about it if you're actually curious. But you aren't, and you won't.

#89 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 04:18 PM | Reply

Poor lil joe.

I asked for a link on how the congressional maps were gerrymandered in the last cycle per his assertion.

Can't do it though.

#90 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 06:06 PM | Reply

I asked for a link

When?

#91 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 06:13 PM | Reply

And why do i have to educate you about your own state?

#92 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 06:14 PM | Reply

In terms of what you actually asked for, you wanted an example of a legitimately won Republican majority, which i provided, after which you promptly shut the ---- up. So forgive me for not wanting to do more homework assignments for you.

#93 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 06:16 PM | Reply

Great news from Kansas. Good to see Democracy working.

#94 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-08-03 06:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Not only is democracy alive and well in Kansas but Republicans have painted a Target on their backs fronts and foreheads.

#95 | Posted by Tor at 2022-08-03 06:41 PM | Reply

Joe, you said Kansas was gerrymandered 10 years ago. Last cycle.

Really? Make that case.

Provide evidence for this ... .

"It was badly gerrymandered by Republicans last cycle too,"

#96 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 07:25 PM | Reply

Essex v. Kobach
Last Updated Jun 7, 2012
Case number
No. 5:12-cv-04046 (D. Kan.)
Cycle 2010

Case Information
A federal court challenge to the unequal population of congressional and state legislative districts, based on the legislature's inability to agree on new lines.
On Jun. 7, 2012, the court issued an opinion drawing both state legislative and congressional districts, in the face of legislative inability to do so.
redistricting.lls.edu

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-03 07:28 PM | Reply

95

I don't know if this is a repub vs dem thing in Kansas.

The no vote coalition did an effective job of pointing out the slippery slope of leaving abortion restrictions to the Kansas legislature

IOW, I don't know if this issue will push any shifts or not.

#98 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 07:31 PM | Reply

IOW, I don't know if this issue will push any shifts or not.

It's definitely not a Dem v. Repub thing at all, but it is a personal freedom/autonomy/liberty v. evangelical Christian authoritarianism thing. And that certainly can turn into something that at least in this cycle pushes Republicans over to Democratic candidates. Particularly since the head authoritarian himself, Trump still holds the maximum influence over the GOP base and many of its most extreme nominees - now candidates - on November's ballot.

#99 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-03 07:37 PM | Reply

Really? Make that case.

Provide evidence for this ... .

No.

The evidence is very easy to find. I've provided several things in this thread, and you never acknowledge any of it, just move on to the next demand. Use google, then go ---- yourself.

This thread is a perfect example of why i stopped reading your posts. I made an exception today because you live in Kansas and thought you might have something worthwhile to say. Instead it's the same dumb ----.

Peace.

#100 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 09:17 PM | Reply

100

Lil joe, you never made an exception.

You just need my attention.

You made ---- up then couldn't back it up. I called you on it.

You could man up and just admit it.

It's literally that simple.

Or not. Be the lil boy you are.

#101 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 09:31 PM | Reply

-The evidence is very easy to find.

LOL

#102 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 09:31 PM | Reply

Lil joe needs help on this thread and he's not getting it.

He always needs help.

Poor kid

#103 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 09:33 PM | Reply

Kansas has had a Dem governor for years, and would probably be a purple state without their hardcore Republican gerrymander. They aren't as backwater as people seem to think.

#4 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2022-08-02 11:10 PM | REPLY | NEWSWORTHY 3

Funny shtt right there.

Purple state.

"---------!! Kansas would be blue, if not for all the fckking republicans there!!"

-lil joe, political expert.

#104 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 09:54 PM | Reply

It's definitely not a Dem v. Repub thing at all, but it is a personal freedom/autonomy/liberty v. evangelical Christian authoritarianism thing. And that certainly can turn into something that at least in this cycle pushes Republicans over to Democratic candidates.

#99 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2022-08-03 07:37 PM | FLAG:

Sounds like something I'd say

#105 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-08-03 09:59 PM | Reply

105

Yeah, but the experts like lil joe, speakstupid, and the energizer bunny would harass you and sniff your $as for attention.

#106 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-03 10:02 PM | Reply

I just heard a Kansas woman say the most obvious but not-yet-understood reality about the abortion issue when asked "What message does (last night's landslide abortion rights vote) say?

Her answer: "Don't mess with us! There are more of us than them."

Fact of the matter is at least 60%-65% of all women don't want men, government, or anyone telling them what they MUST DO with their bodies, or having any say over the personal healthcare decisions they make. And let's make no mistake about it, the way these anti abortion laws are written with little if any recognition of the complexity of prenatal medical care (including that scientific research tells us 40% - 60% of all fertilized eggs spontaneously abort sometime before birth - most of them occurring before the woman even realizes she was pregnant), making it certain some women will indeed find themselves in legal peril simply because they had an inconvenient miscarriage that others will label as an abortion.

The vast majority of the remaining 35 percent are all the pro-forced birth religious fanatics that comprise a vocal majority in today's evangelical-base GOP. However, those women don't come close to being a majority of all women along with a decent chunk of men.

#107 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-03 10:29 PM | Reply

You could man up

You can man up and come meet me in Wisconsin. I'll pay for your flight. Don't bring your daughter though, abortion isn't legal here.

#108 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-03 10:55 PM | Reply

108 retorts on the thread and 54 of them is an internet know-it-all smelling his own farts and frantically, (trying) burying his turd assertions

#109 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-08-04 12:42 AM | Reply

Look at all those pro-life people rioting, looting, promising violence, breaking laws, stalking Justices, etc.

Oh wait, you don't see any. Like it or not Libs, you are doing EXACTLY what Reps were fighting for. All of your endless debates and arguing based on your personal opinion is fantastic, that's the spirit of America. That's EXACTLY what you should be doing. Do you know at what level you are doing it? That's right, at the state level, EXACTLY where it should be debated based on the principles of our government. Combine that with the fact that you don't see pro-life or Republicans going stupid with violence and breaking laws and you get a very clear picture of who the actual winners are of the abortion debate. Have every single state protect abortion. If they do, they are STILL proving the SCOTUS and Reps right.

So please, continue your debating and arguing on an online forum. Be as passionate as you want to be about it. As long as you are doing it without violence or breaking laws, and you aren't fighting to put Feds in control of every part of our lives, Reps and America are the winners this time.

#110 | Posted by humtake at 2022-08-04 12:52 PM | Reply

#110 - you're an idiot.

#111 | Posted by YAV at 2022-08-04 12:54 PM | Reply

It was a liberal that went into a Church and shot a doctor who provided abortions.

Oh wait no it wasn't it was a conservative.

#112 | Posted by Tor at 2022-08-04 06:58 PM | Reply

Comments are closed for this entry.

Home | Breaking News | Comments | User Blogs | Stats | Back Page | RSS Feed | RSS Spec | DMCA Compliance | Privacy | Copyright 2022 World Readable

Drudge Retort