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Wednesday, August 03, 2022

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) has suggested that Social Security and Medicare be eliminated as federal entitlement programs, and that they should instead become programs approved by Congress on an annual basis as discretionary spending.

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I guarantee he's not the only one.

Once they've securely tied down minority rule both of these programs will be gone faster than you can say "what?"

#1 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-03 05:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

They've been wanting to kill Social Security since FDR.

Especially after they started spending the money for their pet projects.

Fkkk Republicans.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-08-03 05:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

How 'bout we terminate their pensions?

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-08-03 06:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

And I thought it was abortion that was going to kill his career.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2022-08-03 06:20 PM | Reply

Ron Johnson's political career will be ended first when he loses his next election.

#5 | Posted by a_monson at 2022-08-03 10:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

He's such a POS.

#6 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-08-04 12:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I love the idea if that's how it goes that we terminate the congressional pensions. While its being done, the Medicare and Obama care they want to end, says so should congressional medical aid end. After all what's good for the goose...

#7 | Posted by BBQ at 2022-08-04 12:14 AM | Reply

The GOP is a Death Cult.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-04 01:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

And good people want to end the Republican Party

#9 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2022-08-04 01:25 AM | Reply

All good suggestions but, in reality, when Republican oligarchs start taking over, (as they do in Russia) they don't accumulate more wealth for themselves by funding social programs.

Political oligarchs are high maintenance people, and their intent is to stay that way. That's what autocracy is all about. Accumulating person wealth . . . and power.

Don't think it can't happen here in the United States. Becoming a mirror image of Russia is already on the drawing board. All the entitlements will go to the top. The less for us, the more for them.

If you think the Constitution is going to protect you, forget about it. Their first order of business will be to call for a constitutional convention as soon as they get their Republican state legislatures lined up to agree.

That's really all it's going to take.


#10 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-08-04 02:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

the very day that Social Security ends,
will be the very last day that I go to
work as an American.

my house will be up for sale.
plane tickets will be purchased.
passports will be updated.
bank accounts will be transferred.
and foreign citizenship will be filed for...

America will be done.

#11 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-08-04 06:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Excuse me Earthmuse, but what makes you think some other country is going to let you in? You might be better off honing whatever skills are needed to survive in a UN refugee camp. That's where we are likely to end up.

#12 | Posted by RJSquirrel at 2022-08-04 06:52 AM | Reply

EARTHMUSE

You might as well. As soon as our current Constitution is modified ~ or even completely nullified ~ at a Constitutional Convention by 2/3 of Republican state legislations, (which is perfectly legal, by the way) America, the land of the free, will be no more. We'll also be militarized against the public.

That's really how democracy is destroyed.

Of course, you could always try to vote the bums out of office before you sell off and depart.

America does have a history of righting its own ship of state, ya'know. I just wish it didn't wait until the last minute to do it.

Surely, there's going to be an assassination of somebody in this Republican plot.

#13 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-08-04 07:13 AM | Reply

Hey QANON RON...I pay into social security ....IT IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM you --------.

#14 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-08-04 07:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Why should I care?

It's not like they will be around for Millennials anyway. Anyone under the age of 40 will get the opportunity to pay into the programs so their parents can get the full benefits though. Maybe Boomers should have paid their share in taxes rather than leave the tab for the younger generation.

BUT DON'T PANIC! Boomers in retirement have told us how self sufficient they are. Boomers can just cut out that avocado toast and they should be fine. After all, what do they always say? Pull yourself up by your bootstraps!

Take ALL the money from Social Security and Medicare and put it toward the national debt. When its paid off, then the Boomers can get the programs back.

#15 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-08-04 08:51 AM | Reply

NIXON

Under the new Republican autocracy, it's not likely anybody is going to be grandfathered in. The sooner they can reduce anybody's social status, the less threat you'll be to them.

I wonder how it's going to feel being a peon.

#16 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-08-04 08:55 AM | Reply

-Why should I care?

You shouldn't. It's (Ron Johnson's idea) not going anywhere.

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-04 09:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Senator Johnson's comments will make for a great campaign ad!
-Mandela Barnes, frontrunner for Democratic Party nomination for US Senate, Wisconsin

#18 | Posted by catdog at 2022-08-04 09:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#17 | POSTED BY EBERLY -- You felt the same way about Roe V Wade and look where we are. I am not saying you should act as though the sky is falling but please take off the rose colored glasses and see what is going on. This isnt just Ron Johnson, he just happens to be the one that said it out loud this time.

#19 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2022-08-04 09:28 AM | Reply

19

funny. Posters area allowed to be wrong virtually every time they post....nobody cares.

But I'm wrong once....and it's a big friggin deal.

Did you read the article? I'm basing my comments on the fact that McConnell doesn't agree with Johnson. If that's to be considered at all then I wouldn't worry about comments from a single senator.

Comments I think he is going to run from.......

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-04 09:45 AM | Reply

RJSquirrel

short answer: 'bite me'...

long answer:

1st of all, I've been out of the country
on multiple occasions and have a passport
that is up to date.

2nd of all, I'm a Fed, I have a pension,
pensions or viable streams of income are
necessary for most foreigners to settle
in a new country.

3rd of all, I'm a homeowner, and my home
is nearing it's pay off date (in 5 years
or so) so can add a substantial portion of
that money to my personal kitty.

4th of all, I'm a Fed, and make good $$.
Not some 7-eleven counter jockey, like yourself,
and so can easily pick up and leave if America
goes down the tubes.

Money also helps for getting into a country
and getting set up within that new country.

but back to the short answer for you, you
judgmental ----------,

'bite me!'

#21 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-08-04 09:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Ah... that feels better... (dusts off hands)...

#22 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-08-04 09:48 AM | Reply

"funny. Posters area allowed to be wrong virtually every time they post....nobody cares." -- Eberly

I only care because you say things with this yawn tone to your comment. You come off as '*shrug* who cares, this will go nowhere' and continue to brush it off. There are red flags and flashing lights but you seem to still believe they arent who they say they are. I dont get it. It isnt just you though. It is far too many voters at this point. When they come for you the rest of us will already have no voice and you will be left on your own. Wash, rinse, repeat.......

#23 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2022-08-04 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-I only care because you say things with this yawn tone to your comment.

A single GOP senator that made a comment. Not a bill, not a caucus, not even the party leader in the chamber has uttered anything that would tell you they are serious about moving forward with any kind of a plan to make a change in the manner Johnson addressed.

Are you serious with your concern about Johnson's comments? That it's going anywhere? seriously?

You can wrap yourself in fear and believe that's "enlightenment" but it's not.

You should consider applying some scrutiny and discrimination as to what is a serious threat and what isn't.

I've made thousands of predictions.....got 1 wrong. If you want to use it to argue with me, fine.

Maybe it hasn't dawned on you yet.....but everybody here has the freedom to be wrong. Some utilize that freedom every single day.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-04 12:23 PM | Reply

"You should consider applying some scrutiny and discrimination as to what is a serious threat and what isn't."

For example, they'll never overturn Roe.
Solid advice, Eberly.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-04 12:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"A single GOP senator that made a comment."

Yeah, and Paul Ryan ran as Romney's VP on a platform of Medicare Vouchers.

This stuff is a lot more real than you're willing to recognize.

And by the time you recognize it, it's far too late.

Just shut up for a while with the downplaying how ------ Republicans are.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-04 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hey QANON RON...I pay into social security ....IT IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM you --------.

It actually is.

You may not know it, but you pay into Medicare as well. Also considered an entitlement.

I think you may have been conflating entitlements, which are funded by the worker and their employer, from transfer payments, which don't require any financial contributions from the individual drawing benefits.

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-04 12:36 PM | Reply

My generation is the first to get shafted by Social Security. Reagan increased the payroll taxes to more than fully fund it.

#28 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-08-04 12:37 PM | Reply

#24 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It sounds like you are taking it much more seriously that I have a problem with your blas tone than you do things a senator says. This may be the fist time a senator has directly said they would get rid of social security but there have been other roads proposed that we know would end up there. It is like senators calling for a constitutional convention. Johnson has said it out loud and the more people hear it the less it will be shocking, and more politicians will get on board. I am not running around terrified but I wont sit on my hands and yawn because he should have the light on him. They should all understand it is absolutely unacceptable.

#29 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2022-08-04 12:39 PM | Reply

24

Actually I've been wrong twice. (on a major issue).

The other time was surrounding the Westboro Baptist Church and their involvements in some lawsuits to forbid them from protesting too close to funerals of soldiers.

Courts sided with the loons from Westboro and predicted they wouldn't.

but I guess it's easy to keep score when you're wrong so infrequently.

Seriously though.......I've been wrong more than twice here. I can't remember them (surprise) but I'm sure of it.

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-04 12:39 PM | Reply

Thanks Drudge gods for changing the spelling just because there was an accent mark over the E in blase.....

#31 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2022-08-04 12:41 PM | Reply

This may be the fist time a senator has directly said they would get rid of social security

I read him say he wants to move it from being an "entitlement" to it being a discretionary budget item congress can haggle over every year.

He said he wants to "get rid of social security"?

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-04 12:44 PM | Reply

#30 -- it isnt even about you being wrong. It is just the 'shrug it off' attitude that caught my attention. Again, I dont expect you to act like it is the end of the world, but I wish you werent so carefree about saying it will never happen. I certainly hope it never happens but I also believe we must hold those accountable that want it to happen.

#33 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2022-08-04 12:44 PM | Reply

I read him say he wants to move it from being an "entitlement" to it being a discretionary budget item congress can haggle over every year.
He said he wants to "get rid of social security"?
#32 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You are right regarding the words he used, but bet your bottom dollar the first time they could say 'hmmm we cant afford it' they would.

#34 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2022-08-04 12:45 PM | Reply

34

That's the slippery slope, for sure. but let's start with what he actually said....which apparently you didn't know.

You skipping to what you think he means.

He might mean exactly what you think he means which is is why I am 100% against the notion of even considering what he's suggesting.

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-04 12:50 PM | Reply

Money also helps for getting into a country and getting set up within that new country.

It depends on what you want to do. And why.

I don't know that I will ever move back to the US, but I doubt that I'll ever be a citizen of another country simply because the requirements in order to becomes a citizen are generally a pretty high bar.

The other thing is that, at your income level, the US has far more favorable tax rates that anywhere overseas. I'm making the assumption that you're in the GS-13 range and not married to someone who earns a comparable income. For instance, if your taxable income in the US was $130k, your marginal rate would be 22%. If you were to choose to live in France, the rate would be 41%.

That doesn't take into account deduction opportunities, which seem to be pretty similar regardless of where you choose to live.

The good news is that most countries don't care about citizenship. As long as you get a residency card and pay taxes, you can stay until you die. And a lot of times you can avoid paying taxes in another country, even in one you reside in most of the time, by returning to your country of citizenship...provided that country is the one that pays you.

Good luck!

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-04 12:50 PM | Reply

"Actually I've been wrong twice."

No, actually you were wrong every time to chastised posters like me for not knowing what you knew: Republicans would NEVER allow an abortion ban to happen.

By my recollection, you admonished others at least several dozen times, including me on at least a half-dozen occasions.

You were wrong EACH TIME.

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-04 12:50 PM | Reply

"let's start with what he actually said"

Which was Make SS and Medicare subject to the political winds of that particular day".

Hell, even Kansas voters saw through THAT smoke.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-04 12:52 PM | Reply

"For instance, if your taxable income in the US was $130k, your marginal rate would be 22%. If you were to choose to live in France, the rate would be 41%."

Do health care while you're at it. Including how much the employer pays, since that's part of the job.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-04 12:53 PM | Reply

" the US has far more favorable tax rates that anywhere overseas."

Not once you factor in health care.

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-04 12:53 PM | Reply

"Courts sided with the loons from Westboro and predicted they wouldn't."

That's cool.

Probably not the worst decision.

I think a few bikers stepped in and solved that problem.

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-04 12:54 PM | Reply

Snoofy beat me to it: once again, we see Republican Math at work: Other places have higher rates...if you don't count national health care.

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-04 12:55 PM | Reply

Haha, what an idiot. He's not suggesting just SS and Medicare be discretionary, he's basically suggesting our entire political process be revamped.

He mentions multiple times about how everyone needs to act right. But NONE of this proves in any manner that discretionary spending programs are managed any better. In fact, one could find any amount of evidence proving that discretionary funds are managed any better. The debt ceiling itself is discretionary; and boy, that sure is being managed effectively, isn't it?

"" the US has far more favorable tax rates that anywhere overseas."
Not once you factor in health care."

So, then you indirectly admit that things equal out, which means the ONLY real difference is that one country has the freedom to choose and the other doesn't. Which means if you are for social healthcare then you want to remove a freedom. Now, whether or not the risk is warranted is up to each individual, but it's just nice seeing some people actually understand the decision is completely personal and should not be based off of, "Well, they do it differently"...a platform Dems use constantly except when other countries do something different that doesn't meet their narrative. Then all of a sudden it doesn't matter what those other countries do...like illegal immigration...

#43 | Posted by humtake at 2022-08-04 12:59 PM | Reply

-No, actually you were wrong every time to chastised posters like me for not knowing what you knew:

whatever....I guess it hurt your feelings each time I did it?

I was wrong on the issue.

You could get over it.

or not....

#44 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-04 01:01 PM | Reply

"Which means if you are for social healthcare then you want to remove a freedom."

Which freedom is that?

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-04 01:03 PM | Reply

"Not once you factor in health care."

Let's pull this thread...just for funsies.

Alice is a US government employee, married to Bob, whose taxable income is $130k per year. In the US they would owe $19,834 in federal income taxes.

In France, at that same income level, they would owe $53,300.

Are you saying that, even by paying $33.4k per year in taxes, that's actually a bargain? A better deal than if they had continued to pay US tax rates and receive US benefits?

#46 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-04 01:06 PM | Reply

" It's (Ron Johnson's idea) not going anywhere."

Yeah, because it's staying put, on the Republican agenda list...right where it's been for decades.

#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-04 01:06 PM | Reply

"So, then you indirectly admit that things equal out, which means the ONLY real difference is that one country has the freedom to choose and the other doesn't."

The freedom to choose should never be delegated to the people themselves...as they may choose poorly.

Says all progressives ever.

#48 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-04 01:07 PM | Reply

"In France, at that same income level, they would owe $53,300. "

No, you're pretending marginal rate is the same as effective rate.

You also didn't mention the ages of the workers, and whether or not either/both have pre-existing conditions.

#49 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-04 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#48

Ah so... it's progressives passing laws making women abide by the State's decisions.

Who knew?

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-04 01:11 PM | Reply

-on the Republican agenda list...right where it's been for decades.

SS and medicare reform? I'm sure both parties have extensive ideas on how to reform both those programs and occasionally it's debated and ideas are discussed.

but it's such a dangerous topic, it's not being challenged the way it could be.

This thread is a perfect example. 1 senator makes this comment, and it takes no time for everyone to...

1. lie about what he said
2. exaggerate the possibility this goes anywhere
3. assign this position to everyone in his party.

That's why the issue is a "do not fckking touch it" cautionary tale.

#51 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-04 01:13 PM | Reply

"No, you're pretending marginal rate is the same as effective rate."

That's because the effective rate is different for every single person, and therefor impossible to compare.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-04 01:17 PM | Reply

I can't speak for France, but that couple in the US would likely pay less than $19K in fed taxes.

#53 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-04 01:18 PM | Reply

"You also didn't mention the ages of the workers, and whether or not either/both have pre-existing conditions."

That's a fair point, but one that is easy to solve mathematically.

If you had pre-existing conditions that would, in the US, result in monthly payments of >=$2,788 per month for a healthcare plan, you would be better off moving to France.

If not, you would be better of paying US tax rates.

#54 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-04 01:19 PM | Reply

However...this is a moot point. Earthmuse will get a healthcare plan as part of retirement...one that is likely far better than government provided plans. In fact none of my co-workers use the German public healthcare system. They have private plans. And if I recall, they may be able to deduct the cost from their taxes.

So in short, unless Earthmuse was able to deduct the costs associated with a retirement healthcare plan, then Earthmuse would just be paying much more in taxes.

#55 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-04 01:23 PM | Reply

"I can't speak for France, but that couple in the US would likely pay less than $19K in fed taxes."

They would pay less in France too...but deductions are unique to individuals. So it's hard to make comparisons based on what we could reasonably assume they could deduct.

#56 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-04 01:25 PM | Reply

" but it's such a dangerous topic, it's not being challenged the way it could ... "

Now THAT's got ring of familiarity, wouldn't you say, Eb?

If it's not being challenged, it's yet.

#57 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-04 01:26 PM | Reply

"And if I recall, they may be able to deduct the cost from their taxes."

A rather important number in the equation.

And Marketplace rates for a Silver Plan, 64 and 63 yr old are about 2400/mo. Even early 60s would be about 2000/mo per couple.

Of course, when O-care gets repealed, the vast majority of these couples would, without employer-sponsored insurance, be in MUCH more expensive high-risk pools.

#58 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-04 01:35 PM | Reply

I'm curious how this plays into Russia Ron's re-election campaign, one of the most important races in the country. Even if he wanted this, why not wait until November to say it?

#59 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-04 01:38 PM | Reply

-Now THAT's got ring of familiarity, wouldn't you say, Eb?

what do you mean?

#60 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-04 01:46 PM | Reply

"Of course, when O-care gets repealed, the vast majority of these couples would, without employer-sponsored insurance, be in MUCH more expensive high-risk pools."

I can only tell you that for me, if I had to pay French tax rates, my obligation would more than double without any change to the benefits I received from the state. And that may be OK if you really like the state in which you choose to live.

#61 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-04 02:49 PM | Reply

"what do you mean?"

Wasn't that your attitude on a different topic?

#62 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-04 03:39 PM | Reply

62

I was referring to how politicans address those issues. Abortion didn't make politicians afraid of taking a position. Pro-life or pro-choice...most are going to give you their views.

But with regard to SS...what is the safe stance on that? There is no divide on that issue....rather, if anybody brings it up at all, they get hit with the accusation of trying to kill grannie by taking away their healthcare or income.

That's why it's such a dangerous topic to address.

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-04 03:44 PM | Reply

Did you read the article? I'm basing my comments on the fact that McConnell doesn't agree with Johnson. If that's to be considered at all then I wouldn't worry about comments from a single senator.

Comments I think he is going to run from.......

#20 | Posted by eberly

Mitch the Bitch McConnell doesn't say what he really thinks and simply lies through his teeth when his lips are moving. You want evidence of that? Perhaps his most memorable is his position on SCOTUS nominations...

#64 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2022-08-04 04:47 PM | Reply

-Mitch the Bitch McConnell doesn't say what he really thinks and simply lies through his teeth

If that's true then why all the insistence that "you better believe them when they tell you who they really are" thing I read here all the time.

Either you believe them or you don't.

Geez...it's as if a senator says "the weather is nice today" the response from many is going to be "well, what he really meant to say is that he hates blacks, gays, and old people".

#65 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-04 04:56 PM | Reply

#65 | Posted by eberly

Exactly - he told you who he is. A lying sack ----- - so why are you citing him as believable and he wouldn't do away with social security and medicare in a heart beat when it is convenient for him? He says no now because elections are around the corner and there is a Dem in the White House.

#66 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2022-08-04 05:03 PM | Reply

"...rather, if anybody brings it up at all, they get hit with the accusation of trying to kill grannie by taking away their healthcare or income."

You say that like they're not.

As Texas women learned, they don't have to fully succeed for YOU to be affected.

#67 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-04 05:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Mitch McConnell February 2016 - There is an election this year so we should wait for the new President and congress to pick a SCOTUS nominee.

Mitch McConnell September 2020 - Hurry! Hurry! We need to get this justice nominated and seated!

#68 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2022-08-04 05:07 PM | Reply

"For instance, if your taxable income in the US was $130k, your marginal rate would be 22%. If you were to choose to live in France, the rate would be 41%."

Someone wanna check my math?

5.2.1. Rates/Bands 2022 (2021 Income)
There are five tax rates and bands on net income earned in 2021 (taxable in 2022), as follows:
Income Share Tax Rate
Up to 10,225 0%
Between 10,225 - 26,070 11%
Between 26,070 - 74,545 30%
Between 74,545 - 160,336 41%
Above 160,336 45%
www.french-property.com

Someone who makes 160,336 Euros in France pays 51,460 Euros in income taxes.

That's a 32% effective income tax rate.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-04 06:38 PM | Reply

For someone making 160,336 Dollars in USA,
Your taxes are estimated at $29,490. This is 18.39% of your total income of $160,336.
www.ameriprise.com

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-04 06:45 PM | Reply

McConnell doesn't agree with Johnson

#20 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Riiiiight.. Because McConnell would never lie.. /s

#71 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2022-08-04 06:54 PM | Reply

-so why are you citing him as believable and he wouldn't do away with social security and medicare in a heart beat when it is convenient for him?

How is it politically advantageous to get rid of Social Security and Medicare for any elected politician?

#72 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-04 07:38 PM | Reply

How is it politically advantageous to get rid of Social Security and Medicare for any elected politician?

IT LOWERS YOUR TAXES

#73 | Posted by SNOOFY at 2022-08-04 07:45 PM | Reply

I will be voting to get rid of Johnson in November. He is the only Republican and waste of air and sundry resources US Senator from Wisconsin.

#74 | Posted by john47 at 2022-08-04 10:31 PM | Reply

#73

But it would also lower your benefits. At least if you're employed by someone else. So that would effectively be a 6.2% reduction in benefits for many people.

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-05 07:44 AM | Reply

"Someone wanna check my math?"

It's wrong.

Actual number is $51,549

#76 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-05 07:49 AM | Reply

and $.76

#77 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-05 07:50 AM | Reply

"You say that like they're not."

see what I mean?

-------- from the back row.

Nothing more.

Politicians on both sides of the aisle have been accused of the worst motivations anytime they attempted to address social security.

"They're trying to kill grannie!!"

-Danforth

Geez...you might think about another wolf whistle to blow.

#78 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-05 08:41 AM | Reply

Politicians on both sides of the aisle have been accused of the worst motivations anytime they attempted to address social security.

#78 | POSTED BY EBERLY

The fascists will kill Social Security like they're currently attempting to kill reproductive rights and would like to kill "race mixing".

Time to be a liberal, EBERLY. Make common cause with the better angels of Kansas, recently asserting themselves. 1860 was an awful year to live in.

#79 | Posted by Zed at 2022-08-05 08:54 AM | Reply

-The fascists will kill Social Security

Atta boy!! BE afraid!!!! LOL

Time to be a liberal, EBERLY

You mean be a registered democrat? Is that what you really mean?

Because I support every liberal that has any chance politically of being elected

we have a democratic party governor. I voted for her...will again.

You all know about our recent election on abortion....of course, I voted no.

I side with liberals the vast majority of the time.

But I remain a registered republican so I can vote in the republican primary....why? because of political reality. I vote in the elections that matter. Not the ones that don't.

Voting in a democratic party primary where i Live is the equivalent of supporting a green party candidate for president. IOW, you're voting for someone who is going to get killed in the general election.

#80 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-05 10:13 AM | Reply

"you might think about another wolf whistle to blow."

I will, as soon as the equation changes. But you might as well address the truth. The fact is, making it subject to statehouse whims means two absolute things:

1. Equal input will no longer deliver equal output; it'll depend on where you live.
2. The Macro Dial turns toward killing grannies.

Two absolute, inescapable facts.

#81 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-05 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Politicians on both sides of the aisle have been accused of the worst motivations anytime they attempted to address social security."

Please don't forget Dubya admitted his "Social Security Plan" wouldn't have addressed the problem..

#82 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-05 11:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Seriously though, ANY politician that signs onto this,
would be signing their own political death warrant...

You want to piss people off in a hurry?
Take one of the only remaining 'cookies' that
the Middle Class has left...

Then see what happens rich people...

#83 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-08-05 01:53 PM | Reply

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