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Saturday, August 06, 2022

Indiana's new sweeping ban on abortion produced immediate political and economic fallout Saturday, as some of the state's biggest employers objected to the restrictions ... The Indiana ban, which goes into effect Sept. 15, allows abortion only in cases of rape, incest, lethal fetal abnormality, or when the procedure is necessary to prevent severe health risks or death. Indiana joins nine other states that have abortion bans starting at conception.

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After the legislation was signed into law, Eli Lilly, the pharmaceutical giant and one of the state's largest employers, warned that such laws would hurt its employee recruiting efforts and said the company would look elsewhere for its expansion plans.

"We are concerned that this law will hinder Lilly's " and Indiana's " ability to attract diverse scientific engineering and business talent from around the world," the company said in a statement issued Saturday. "Given this new law, we will be forced to plan for more employment growth outside our home state."

The Indianapolis Chamber of Commerce also warned the ban was passed too quickly and without regard for how it will affect the state's tourism industry.

"Such an expedited legislative process " rushing to advance state policy on broad, complex issues " is, at best, detrimental to Hoosiers, and at worst, reckless," the chamber said in a statement, asking: "Will the Indy region continue to attract tourism and convention investments?"

Indiana lost out on 12 conventions and an estimated $60 million of business after it passed a religious freedom law in 2015, according to one local tourism industry estimate.

I truly wonder whether this state's Republicans realize that they've now turned my own city - Indianapolis - into a no-man's land as it refers to NCAA championships and competitions, and any possible return of the Super Bowl - which was wildly successful a decade ago. Convention business of non-right wing entities will dry up and tax revenues tied to tourism are set to plunge all because Republican men and women have decided to make Indiana Gilead instead.

Hopefully these bills will quickly face lawsuits finding them unconstitutional on 1st Amendment grounds so that we can move on from religious zealots obsessed with forcing their views upon everyone else even when they know their non-scientific notions are only held by a minority of citizens. Maybe this fall, the Indiana GOP will reap the whirlwind from this decision after all. They sorely deserve to.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-06 08:29 PM | Reply

"I truly wonder whether this state's Republicans realize that they've now turned my own city - Indianapolis - into a no-man's land"

The cruelty is the point.

They have no problem being cruel to their own, either.

They know their own already have a Victim Mentality and will blame Drmocrats, Illegals, and Minorities (all the same thing to them) for their suffering.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-06 08:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

After Dobbs, there have been a few Town Hall type meeting at work where employees discuss the impact.

I can absolutely assure you that this will cause top talent to leave Red states, probably in greater numbers than top talent is being taxed out of Blue states.

Just imagine having a 13yo daughter in a Red state right now. Any sensible parent should be vomiting in fear.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-06 08:38 PM | Reply

www.indystar.com

Sen. Mike Bohacek, R-Michiana Shores, was one of several senators who changed their vote from last week to this one. When he voted in favor of the bill the first time the Senate considered it, he said he did so to keep it moving but had concerns about the impact on developmentally delayed individuals " like his 21-year-old daughter.

"If she lost her favorite stuffed animal, she'd be inconsolable," he said on the Senate floor late Friday night, through tears. "Imagine making her carry a child."

Republicans are SCUM

#4 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-06 08:45 PM | Reply

I wonder how many of the Indianian Congressmen had --------- when they voted yay! I figure around 80%

#5 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-06 08:47 PM | Reply

Indiana receives $1.16 from the federal government for every $1 of taxes contributed.

DEFUND THE -------- STATES!!!

#6 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-06 08:49 PM | Reply

There was one heartening story that emerged from a Republican representative who grudgingly admitted having undergone a change of heart:

The struggle for the Republican Party may have best been described by Rep. Ann Vermilion, R-Marion, who reminded the chamber of her GOP bona fides - limited government, fiscal conservative, Friday night lights, Sunday church - before admitting how the last two weeks have challenged her beliefs.

Choking back emotion, Vermilion said she has struggled to square the "pro-life" platform of her party and religion - tenets so central to her identity - with her own "pro-woman, pro-choice" feelings. Feelings, she said, that three-quarters of her colleagues who are male can't understand.

"The last two weeks have changed me profoundly," Vermilion said. "I have moved in my ideology in ways I never imagined."

She said that, despite her strong Christian faith, religious ideology has no place in the legislative process. She said she supports protecting life when a fetus could be viable outside the womb but is also a "pro-woman, pro-choice Republican" and can't support the zero-week abortion ban in the bill. She said she thinks there are many Republican women who hold the same middle ground.

www.indystar.com

Again, notice that these politicians continue to talk about their "religion" and their personal "faith" whenever abortion banning laws are mentioned. These laws are in direct violation of the Establishment Clause and hopefully courts will quickly come to that same conclusion once these laws are challenged.

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-06 08:57 PM | Reply

#5 sure spends a lot of time thinking about OPP.

#8 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-08-06 08:58 PM | Reply

Truthhurts is a very dumb man.

#9 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-06 09:29 PM | Reply

Reminder that that poor 10 year old rape victim child went to Indiana for an abortion, so that safe haven is gone.

#10 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-06 09:36 PM | Reply

Jeffj is for forcing 10 year old rape victims to carry the rapist's fetus to term

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-06 09:37 PM | Reply

I support legalized abortion for the first trimester with extreme prohibitions after that, Douchehurts.

I've made that clear countless times so why do you feel compelled to lie about it?

#12 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-06 11:25 PM | Reply

"I support legalized abortion for the first trimester with extreme prohibitions after that"

You had almost exactly you wanted under Roe; see below.
You threw that all away and now you're further from what you want.
Why do you think you won?

To balance women's rights to privacy and state governments' interests in protecting mothers' health and prenatal life, the Court created the trimester framework.[121][122] During the first trimester, when it was believed that the procedure was safer than childbirth, the Court ruled that a state government could place no restrictions on women's ability to choose to abort pregnancies other than imposing minimal medical safeguards, such as requiring abortions to be performed by licensed physicians.[7] From the second trimester on, the Court ruled that evidence of increasing risks to the mother's health gave states a compelling interest that allowed them to enact medical regulations on abortion procedures so long as they were reasonable and "narrowly tailored" to protecting mothers' health.[7] From the beginning of the third trimester on"the point at which a fetus became viable under the medical technology available in the early 1970s"the Court ruled that a state's interest in protecting prenatal life became so compelling that it could legally prohibit all abortions except where necessary to protect the mother's life or health.
en.wikipedia.org

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-06 11:39 PM | Reply

Jeffj is for forcing 10 year old rape victims to carry the rapist's fetus to term after the first trimester, or without parental consent.

Better?

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-06 11:39 PM | Reply

" I support legalized abortion for the first trimester "

Yet you've called all abortions "slaughter".

So basically ... you're all for slaughter ... as long as it's on your terms.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-07 12:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#15. I'm not "for" it, Doucheforth. I recognize that if it's illegal women are going to resort to coat hangers and back alleys. It needs to be legal and I support it being legal during the first trimester. Doesn't change the fact that it's barbaric.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-07 08:46 AM | Reply

Lemme guess, you fall into that Truthhurts/Snoofy camp that regards abortion as a beautiful and courageous act of love, right Danforth?

Lefties are such inhumane ghouls.

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-07 08:51 AM | Reply

-I've made that clear countless times so why do you feel compelled to lie about it?

Because you've whipped his sorry ass on every thread since you came here. It's not that you have all the facts on your side and that you're always right.

It's that you stick to the issue.

What does twoothy do? Personal attacks and even attempts to out you.

Outright the most deprived and worthless human being who posts here. Yes, Truthhurts is the most depraved POS who posts here.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 08:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I support legalized abortion for the first trimester with extreme prohibitions after that, Douchehurts.
I've made that clear countless times so why do you feel compelled to lie about it?
#12 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I don't follow all these overturning Roe threads closely, so I was unaware of your specific views on abortion. Thanks for the clarification. Care to go further and explain what "extreme prohibitions after that" means to you?

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-08-07 09:04 AM | Reply

#19. After the first trimester Illegal unless the health of the mother is at stake.

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-07 09:29 AM | Reply

#15. I'm not "for" it, Doucheforth. I recognize that if it's illegal women are going to resort to coat hangers and back alleys. It needs to be legal and I support it being legal during the first trimester. Doesn't change the fact that it's barbaric.

#16 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Yet you have and continue to vote for republicans. the result of which was putting extremist on the SC who overturned RvW.

And you have voted and/or supported republicans at the state level who pass barbaric anti-freedom laws.

barbaric

1.
savagely cruel; exceedingly brutal.

2.
primitive; unsophisticated.

Those definitions fit my use of the term barbaric FAR better than your use does.

#21 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 09:33 AM | Reply

Lemme guess, you fall into that Truthhurts/Snoofy camp that regards abortion as a beautiful and courageous act of love, right Danforth?
Lefties are such inhumane ghouls.

#17 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

"Lefties" don't want a 10 year old rape victim to carry the rapist's fetus to term

And you call US ghouls!?!

Truly idiotic

#22 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 09:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh, so now you're going to play the juvenile "you voted for" game and go for guilt by association. Now that this issue is at the state level I will not vote for anyone running in my district who seeks to make abortion illegal.

I'd wager that you bribe the local PP to give you discarded fetuses so you can mutilate them you sick bastard, Douchesquirts.

#23 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-07 09:43 AM | Reply

" Lefties" don't want a 10 year old rape victim to carry the rapist's fetus to term"

Nor do I you complete and absolute --------.

#24 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-07 09:44 AM | Reply

-Yet you have and continue to vote for republicans. the result of which was putting extremist on the SC who overturned RvW.

Are you 14 or something?

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 09:49 AM | Reply

-And you have voted and/or supported republicans at the state level who pass barbaric anti-freedom laws.

Yep. 14. I know 14 year olds who understand state and federal govt better.

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 09:50 AM | Reply

#19. After the first trimester Illegal unless the health of the mother is at stake.
#20 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

" Lefties" don't want a 10 year old rape victim to carry the rapist's fetus to term"
Nor do I you complete and absolute --------.
#24 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

www.youtube.com

#27 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 09:51 AM | Reply

-Yet you have and continue to vote for republicans. the result of which was putting extremist on the SC who overturned RvW.
Are you 14 or something?
#25 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2022-08-07 09:49 AM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

-And you have voted and/or supported republicans at the state level who pass barbaric anti-freedom laws.
Yep. 14. I know 14 year olds who understand state and federal govt better.

#26 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Voters don't vote for representatives who pass laws/advise and consent on SC justices?

www.youtube.com

#28 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 09:53 AM | Reply

-So basically ... you're all for slaughter ... as long as it's on your terms.

It appears it's not good enough for you that he supports abortion rights. He also has to use words you insist.

And you're complaining about "terms"

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 09:53 AM | Reply

28

Did you learn anything about what happened in Kansas and the recent abortion vote?

I know you're happy with the outcome but did you LEARN anything about voters?

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 10:01 AM | Reply

28
Did you learn anything about what happened in Kansas and the recent abortion vote?
I know you're happy with the outcome but did you LEARN anything about voters?

#30 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Read the thread's article

www.youtube.com

#31 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 10:05 AM | Reply

28
Did you learn anything about what happened in Kansas and the recent abortion vote?
I know you're happy with the outcome but did you LEARN anything about voters?

#30 | POSTED BY EBERLY

www.kansascity.com
Though the amendment's failure is a setback for anti-abortion activists, the issue has long held a prominent space in Kansas politics, and activists signaled they have no plans to give up. As early as November, they'll have the opportunity to attempt to oust members of the Supreme Court who declared abortion to be a right. Ousting judges could be a pathway to overturning the 2019 decision. "I certainly think there's a pathway with a different composition of judges," said Elizabeth Kirk, director for the Center for Law and the Human Person at Catholic University. "It could be overturned if a future court thought that nothing in the 1859 state constitution included a right to abortion." The majority of the Kansas Supreme Court is currently made up of justices appointed by Democratic governors. But all but one of those justices is up for retention this year.

So, yes, voting for a republican is voting to restrict women's freedom

#32 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 10:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

32

So ... ... ... nothing.

Learned nothing. You need not find a link to justify your retardedness and ------------.

Just keep----------- in front of us. I

It's awesome to watch.

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 10:18 AM | Reply

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

I claim that republican representatives vote for abortion restriction laws and advise and consent on SC justices (these are incontrovertible truths-hardly controversial)

You claim I have a child's understanding of government

You respond with the Kansas ballot question, which admittedly is a direct democratic vote on abortion. (that in no way refutes my original facts, btw).

I respond with pointing you to the fact that the Indianian legislature (you know elected representatives) passed an abortion ban AND point out that the Kansas SC justices are up for election in November-which the anti-freedom conservatives will want to use as an opportunity to elect NEW justices who will outlaw abortion.

Simple facts

yet you still don't get it.

truth hurts donut

#34 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 10:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Eberly: "Because you've whipped his sorry ass on every thread since you came here. It's not that you have all the facts on your side and that you're always right."

what facts are on YOUR side? Just curious.

#35 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 10:26 AM | Reply

-You claim I have a child's understanding of government

Correct.

Actually a petulant child. That's a better description.

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 10:29 AM | Reply

-I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

That's obvious. You can't process the distinction between a single issue and party affiliation. The difference between an amendment vote vs for an elected rep.

You just want to point fingers, personally attack, and blame other posters for the disappointments in your obviously ------ up life.

AND WHEN YOU'RE STILL NOT SATISFIED, ATTEMPT TO OUT INDIVIDUAL POSTERS.

To understand these issues any deeper is the moon to you.

Massively too far away to care about.

Just stick to personal attacks, child.

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 10:39 AM | Reply

so, iow, you can't back up your claim and double down on your position.

Done with you

feel free to get the last word in, I know you have a compulsion

#38 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 10:39 AM | Reply

-feel free to get the last word in,

Nope. It's all good

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 10:41 AM | Reply

ahh so you did attempt to defend your "position"

If you support republicans you support what they do. You can't play the well I don't support this single issue but... game when the issue is as important as abortion, but you know that

Funny how your posts throughout this entire thread have been a series of personal insults at me, but whatever, your opinions mean less to me than the dust on my laptop

Jeffj outed himself, liar

"Just stick to personal attacks, child." How does irony taste in your mouth? ----, I bet you taste ----.

#40 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 10:45 AM | Reply

Bellringer or Eberly, you can mock TruthHurts and have your own views all you want, but do you really believe that the extremists leading the anti-abortion charge these days are going to stop at first trimester? How many times do you have to hear the anti-abortion crowd say "total ban" and "no exceptions" and call for replacing judges before you get what's going on?

#41 | Posted by cbob at 2022-08-07 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-JeffJ outed himself, liar

You understand nobody believes that tripe, right?

Everybody sees you as the POS you truly are.

That list includes posters here you usually agree with. They know what a complete POS you are.

-If you support republicans you support what they do.

Again, learned NOTHING about the Kansas vote.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 10:49 AM | Reply

"but do you really believe that the extremists leading the anti-abortion charge these days are going to stop at first trimester?"

Not at all. In Kansas for example, the pro life groups will go after judges just as they promise.

The issue isn't dead and the anti abortion groups aren't taking their ball and going home. They're gearing up for the fight.

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 10:52 AM | Reply

You understand jeff posted his personal email to the DR, right?

Your assertion about kansas is hilarious given the thread you post it on

#44 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 10:52 AM | Reply

-How many times do you have to hear the anti-abortion crowd say "total ban" and "no exceptions" and call for replacing judges before you get what's going on?

From where do you have the gall to assign me a position or measure my level of knowledge?

I completely hear what they are saying.

#45 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 10:54 AM | Reply

I've made that clear countless times so why do you feel compelled to lie about it?

#12 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Because you still support politicians like those in Indiana.

This is always your problem. You claim moderate views but are unyielding in your support of extremist politicians and gullibility in believing every -------- thin they say.

In other words, your actions make your words unbelievable.

#46 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-07 10:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-You understand jeff posted his personal email to the DR, right?

You're gonna die on this hill, aren't you?

Fine.

You don't know Bell is Jeff. I know who Bell is. And no, I'm not telling you ----.

And none of that has anything to do with your efforts to google someone that matched Jeff's name on his user profile and post info about someone with the same name.

Everybody knows this, POS. Stop trying to rehab yourself or revise what you did nor put it in some sort of harmless context.

You tried to out a poster here. PERIOD.

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 10:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

From where do you have the gall to assign me a position or measure my level of knowledge?

I completely hear what they are saying.

#45 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 10:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

Then let's talk about that instead of turning every thread into sideshows about one or two posters.

We need to figure out how to find common ground in this country, or democracy is done. Part of the common ground is preventing extremist ideologues - like the ones running the Republican Party today - from deciding how the rest of us should live. This is a dishonest, hateful, dictatorial movement, given sustenance daily by Trump, the election deniers and other kooks who won't tolerate dissent. They are working aggressively to crush anything in their path, and they need to be stopped.

#48 | Posted by cbob at 2022-08-07 11:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lefties are such inhumane ghouls.

#17 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Says the guy who supports women having to be septic or hemorrhaging to the point of near death before a doctor will act for fear of the legal repercussions.

And spare me any mealy mouthed protestations. You SUPPORT that party and those politicians. Period. Anything else is --------.

#49 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-07 11:10 AM | Reply

You don't know Bell is Jeff. I know who Bell is. And no, I'm not telling you ----.

Another shared account, eh?

#50 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-07 11:12 AM | Reply

Some of y'all need to consider a break from the retort.

Highly recommend.

#51 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2022-08-07 11:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Then let's talk about that instead of turning every thread into sideshows about one or two posters.

Are you blind? That would be GREAT!!!!!!

But it's impossible.

You understand it's impossible, right??

Every single one of these discussions gets derailed because along comes truth, snooty or speak who utter, "well it's your fault because you're a republican"

at that moment the discussion goes this direction.

And we end up right here.

Every

Time.

#52 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 11:31 AM | Reply

-Another shared account, eh?

You're aware of others?

#53 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 11:32 AM | Reply

Correct.

Actually a petulant child. That's a better description.

#36 | POSTED BY EBERLY

If you're gonna whine about someone using personal attacks you might want to avoid personal attacks. Just saying ...

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-07 11:34 AM | Reply

#53 there was one months ago that admitted it.

Don't remember the alias now.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-07 11:35 AM | Reply

Every single one of these discussions gets derailed because along comes truth, snooty or speak who utter, "well it's your fault because you're a republican"

Which party voted for the indianian law?

#56 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 11:35 AM | Reply

Every single one of these discussions gets derailed because along comes truth, snooty or speak who utter, "well it's your fault because you're a republican"

Post #9 thread first derailed when the lying piece of ---- calls me dumb

Truth Hurts

#57 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 11:37 AM | Reply

Slight correction thread derailed first in post #8 with sentinel insulting me
Immediately followed by the lying po
Truth Hurts

#58 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 11:39 AM | Reply

54

Let's not hide behind the hypocrisy deflection.

The horses left the barn. No need to shut the gate.

#59 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 11:40 AM | Reply

That's obvious. You can't process the distinction between a single issue and party affiliation. - eberly

Lumpers model of the world, is either you are with us or you are against us. There is no in between or single issues. It is a unified theory of politics. It's a poison

#60 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-07 11:41 AM | Reply

#59 look I'm sure you know I'm not hesitant to sling mud.

You'll never see me whine about it, though, when someone else does it.

It's the nature of the site. Pointing it out is picking up windfalls, not even picking low hanging fruit.

#61 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-07 11:43 AM | Reply

there was one months ago that admitted it.

I find any account that posts every 20 minutes for 18 hour stretches to be a bit suspect. Or in need of therapy.

The usual troll toads just drop a quick mindless -------- on every thread and leave.

#62 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-08-07 11:44 AM | Reply

-Which party voted for the indianian law?

See what I mean? Twoothy thinks this place should discuss no issues beyond where a party stands on a single issue so he can yell, "Repub bad ... .Dem good".

Nobody is arguing that but twoothy needs to drag it back there.

We can accept that and still discuss things beyond that.

It's never going to happen but if it did and you guys open your fckking eyes and see posters like truth for who is then it would improve. Guaranteed. 100%.

But you can't see it and you don't care enough to see.

Which is why I don't care about the hypocrisy deflections.

It's lazy.

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 11:44 AM | Reply

That's obvious. You can't process the distinction between a single issue and party affiliation. - eberly
Lumpers model of the world, is either you are with us or you are against us. There is no in between or single issues. It is a unified theory of politics. It's a poison

#60 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

This argument is nonsensical when one party blows up a compromise that has been working effectively for 50 years and is proceeding to pass even more barbaric laws.

#64 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 11:45 AM | Reply

-Which party voted for the indianian law?
See what I mean? Twoothy thinks this place should discuss no issues beyond where a party stands on a single issue so he can yell, "Repub bad ... .Dem good".
Nobody is arguing that but twoothy needs to drag it back there.
We can accept that and still discuss things beyond that.
It's never going to happen but if it did and you guys open your fckking eyes and see posters like truth for who is then it would improve. Guaranteed. 100%.
But you can't see it and you don't care enough to see.
Which is why I don't care about the hypocrisy deflections.
It's lazy.

#63 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You're a ------- joke. One party has declared a war on democracy. One party has become a fascist cult. One party is overturning long established rights. One party is full of nazis and white supremacists and christofascists. Your lame attempt at a bothsiderism argument won't fly.

#65 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 11:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Lumpers model of the world, is either you are with us or you are against us. There is no in between or single issues. It is a unified theory of politics. It's a poison"

Exactly. You think Kansas voters were liberals in hiding?

It's about the issue ... ... not a party.

Truth can't stand that. It always needs to be about the party.

Same thing for snoody and speak.

Folks like JPW can't see it they can't see what's not thrown at them.

Which is why they can't see the larger problems created by those posters.

Nobody besides ------- like them need constant constant constant affirmation of where the GOP is bad on obvious issues.

#66 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 11:51 AM | Reply

You know ... .truth said he was done with me.

He has no control.

#67 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 11:52 AM | Reply

-Which party voted for the indianian law?
See what I mean? Twoothy thinks this place should discuss no issues beyond where a party stands on a single issue so he can yell, "Repub bad ... .Dem good".
Nobody is arguing that but twoothy needs to drag it back there.

You're the one arguing that voting for representatives is someone not important because one state had a ballot referendum

So, literally YOU are arguing against my assertion that voting for republicans is the problem.

#68 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 11:53 AM | Reply

-bothsiderism

Has no idea what that means.

#69 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 11:53 AM | Reply

-You're the one arguing that voting for representatives is someone not important because one state had a ballot referendum

I'm not sure what he means there but he's wrong.

He's assigning me a position I don't have

Reprehensible POS.

And a 14 year old, emotionally and intellectually.

You guys have fun with him.

Or have fun ignoring him.

I'm moving on.

#70 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 11:55 AM | Reply

"Lumpers model of the world, is either you are with us or you are against us. There is no in between or single issues. It is a unified theory of politics. It's a poison"
Exactly. You think Kansas voters were liberals in hiding?
It's about the issue ... ... not a party.
Truth can't stand that. It always needs to be about the party.
Same thing for snoody and speak.
Folks like JPW can't see it they can't see what's not thrown at them.
Which is why they can't see the larger problems created by those posters.
Nobody besides ------- like them need constant constant constant affirmation of where the GOP is bad on obvious issues.

#66 | POSTED BY EBERLY

So, again, right here, you dismiss the concept that republicans are the problem with anti-reproductive freedom laws because one state's ballot measure.

How many democrats voted for the Indianian abortion law?

Consider the matter from a different perspective-how many laws are passed/not passed based on specific ballot measures vs laws passed by representatives?

Consider how many states have anti-reproductive laws on the books, have been passed or will be passed in the near future and how many of those are driven by republican representatives.

the issue is so fundamentally true and simple it is ridiculous that it has to be stated

#71 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 11:57 AM | Reply

-bothsiderism
Has no idea what that means.

#69 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You're arguing that one cannot make a distinction between parties. One has to decide on an issue by issue basis.

Since republicans are wrong on approaching 100% of issues, well the numbers speak for themselves.

So, yes you attempted a subtle bothsiderism argument

#72 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 11:59 AM | Reply

-You're the one arguing that voting for representatives is someone not important because one state had a ballot referendum
I'm not sure what he means there but he's wrong.
{SNIP}

#70 | POSTED BY EBERLY

That's kind of like saying you don't understand Einstein's Theory of Relativity, but he is wrong.

#73 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 12:00 PM | Reply

Folks like JPW can't see it they can't see what's not thrown at them

LOL what's next, you gonna tell me to "wake up"?

I see it fine, moron.

Someone has your hemorrhoids bloody this morning.

#74 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-07 12:03 PM | Reply

-You're the one arguing that voting for representatives is someone not important because one state had a ballot referendum
I'm not sure what he means there but he's wrong.
He's assigning me a position I don't have
{SNIP}
#70 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Reposting something I posted earlier because it perfectly explains what you willfully ignore:

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.
I claim that republican representatives vote for abortion restriction laws and advise and consent on SC justices (these are incontrovertible truths-hardly controversial)
You claim I have a child's understanding of government
You respond with the Kansas ballot question, which admittedly is a direct democratic vote on abortion. (that in no way refutes my original facts, btw).
I respond with pointing you to the fact that the Indianian legislature (you know elected representatives) passed an abortion ban AND point out that the Kansas SC justices are up for election in November-which the anti-freedom conservatives will want to use as an opportunity to elect NEW justices who will outlaw abortion.
Simple facts
yet you still don't get it.
truth hurts donut

#34 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

IoW you insult me for claiming that legislatures have a great deal of power to pass laws appoint SC justices and counter by arguing a single state's single ballot initiative. IoW legislature power (i.e. voting for legislatures) is somehow not important because of Kansas' ballot measure

#75 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 12:04 PM | Reply

Someone has your hemorrhoids bloody this morning.

#74 | POSTED BY JPW

he's had his ass kicked beginning to end on this thread but will declare victory.

#76 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 12:05 PM | Reply

WOW, I seemed to have done the impossible, I shut eberly up!

Tra La La La La La La

#77 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-07 12:10 PM | Reply

"they'll have the opportunity to attempt to oust members of the Supreme Court who declared abortion to be a right."

That is what they did to the Iowa Supreme Court judges who decided gay marriage is a right under Iowa law.

They all got voted out by hateful bigots. "At the next judicial retention election in 2010, voters removed all three justices facing a retention vote.[17] It was the first time any Iowa Supreme Court justice had been removed by voters." en.wikipedia.org

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-07 12:46 PM | Reply

-LOL what's next, you gonna tell me to "wake up"?

Nope. Waste of time.

Obviously.

#79 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-07 01:27 PM | Reply

Nope. Waste of time.
Obviously.

#79 | POSTED BY EBERLY

LOL

#80 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-07 03:05 PM | Reply

Haha

Regardless of jeffyjbelberly making this thread all about themselves, the fact remains that the GOP, the party of "personal freedom", "fiscal responsibility" and "small business", shows itself to not care about any of that

Yes Indiana, the GOP is building this

#81 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-08-07 08:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Did their trigger law have any provisions for the increase in unwanted pregnancies they're going to experience?

#82 | Posted by Tor at 2022-08-07 09:02 PM | Reply

The GQP don't care about babies or women or the voters.

If they did they would put the abortion ban up for a vote instead of letting old white men write the rules for everyone.

But they won't. Especially after how Kansas voters slapped them around.

Time to make them pay in November.

#83 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-08-08 07:43 AM | Reply

Indiana's new law is just fine if you hate women as much as most Republicans seem to.

#84 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-08-08 11:06 PM | Reply

My recollection is that Indiana U has a decent economics program.

Surely they must have studied this.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-08 11:41 PM | Reply

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