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Wednesday, August 10, 2022

Most Americans support using the popular vote and not the electoral college vote to select a president, according to data from the Pew Research Center. About 63% of Americans support using the popular vote, compared to 35% who would rather keep the electoral college system.

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"Approval for the popular vote is up from January 2021, when 55% of Americans said they back the change; 43% supported keeping the electoral college at that time.

Opinions on the systems varied sharply according to political party affiliation. 80% of Democrats approve of moving to a popular vote system, while 42% of Republicans support the move. Though, many more Republicans support using the popular vote system now than after the 2016 election, when support was at 27%.

There is also an age divide: 7 out of 10 Americans from ages 18 to 29 support using the popular vote, compared to 56% in Americans over 65 years old.

There have been five presidents who won the electoral vote, but not the popular vote " John Quincy Adams, Rutherford B. Hayes, Benjamin Harrison, George W. Bush and Donald Trump."

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GW and Agent Orange.... no wonder the popularity of the popular vote for Pres is on the rise.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-10 12:43 PM | Reply

Doesn't matter.

It isn't changing.

#2 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-10 12:45 PM | Reply

Thoughts and prayers, nothing we can do, right?

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-10 12:50 PM | Reply

See, it doesn't matter what Americans want
This is directly from the mouth that likes to boast "it's what their constituents want" when saying nothing can be done without actually saying it

#4 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-08-10 01:48 PM | Reply

-nothing we can do, right?

exactly.

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-10 01:53 PM | Reply

-See, it doesn't matter what Americans want

"want" is a matter of degree. How much do you want it?

I don't think popular vote is wanted that badly. IOW, it doesn't get wanted more than other things. It gets drowned out.

Who is going to take this issue up? How do you get it passed?

You know the GOP won't go for it. I don't care how many republicans support it in polls.

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-10 02:01 PM | Reply

"The GOP won't go for it"

How so?

#7 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-08-10 02:15 PM | Reply

As we move forward, no republican is going to win the popular vote. Only the EC.

The EC is a huge advantage for the GOP. Why would they agree to remove it?

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-10 02:20 PM | Reply

^
Because it's "what their constituents want", remember?

#9 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-08-10 02:55 PM | Reply

And republicans only do the heinous things they do because "it's what their constituents want"

You said so yourself, many times

#10 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-08-10 02:56 PM | Reply

Again,

Maybe you idiot progressives need to move to pure mob democracy countries.

Ours isnt that. Ours is a collaboration of individual, local, different and equal states.

And NO, it's not changing and it never will. You can best believe that.

#11 | Posted by boaz at 2022-08-10 02:59 PM | Reply

The electoral college has one job and they failed us hard as they could.

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2022-08-10 02:59 PM | Reply

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I remember...and if you can go back 3 posts and try to comprehend the concept of "how much do they want it" then you'd probably dismiss the impact of this poll.

Which is what I'm doing. They can claim they want it in a poll....but they aren't going to get pissed at their elected reps over this issue not going anywhere.

They can want free ice cream in a poll. But when they aren't given it....they aren't going to start voting for democrats over it.

IOW, do they want it bad enough to cross over and vote for a democrat over it, who is promising to deliver it to them?

no......no chance.

Which is why the GOP won't budge on this issue.

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-10 03:01 PM | Reply

Totally agree on this one. Abolish the EC.
Give the power to the People. Put abortion and gun control on the ballot. If the People can elect the POTUS, we can DAMN sure vote on GC and Ab.

#14 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2022-08-10 03:04 PM | Reply

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I haven't thought it through as to whether or not we should do it. If we continue to see the popular vote deliver a different result than the EC then we should do something.

But, I don't see how that puts abortion and gun control on a national ballot.

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-10 03:08 PM | Reply

I dont want my votes mixed in with a coastal state. If we let cities do all of our voting, those of us in the middle or opposite thoughts from the democrats in the cities will never have a vote. I like knowing my NO vote HAS to be heard and RESPECTED.

#16 | Posted by boaz at 2022-08-10 03:12 PM | Reply

Plus, we all know the only reason they want the mob vote is because they want to silence votes that arent in their ideology.

I say ---- em..

#17 | Posted by boaz at 2022-08-10 03:13 PM | Reply

-I dont want my votes mixed in with a coastal state.

1. don't you live in NC, a coastal state?
2. it's just for president. Not anything else.

and also keep in mind...the GOP campaigns efficiently. They get clobbered in California and NY because they don't waste time there.

Hillary wasted time and money in those 2 states only to win them by huge margins and then losing the EC.

IOW, if we went to a popular vote, the dems wouldn't continue winning in CA and NY by such huge margins.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-10 03:26 PM | Reply

... don't you live in NC, a coastal state?

Ha! Boaz can't even remember which Americans he's supposed to hate

#19 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2022-08-10 06:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe you idiot progressives need to move to pure mob democracy countries.

Ours isnt that. Ours is a collaboration of individual, local, different and equal states.

And NO, it's not changing and it never will. You can best believe that.

#11 | Posted by boaz

Name another country where the person with fewer votes gets to lead the nation.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-10 07:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Plus, we all know the only reason they want the mob vote is because they want to silence votes that arent in their ideology.

I say ---- em..

#17 | Posted by boaz

"mob vote" also known as DEMOCRACY.

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-10 07:29 PM | Reply

"mob vote" also known as DEMOCRACY.

Which we arent..

#22 | Posted by boaz at 2022-08-10 07:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

As has been pointed out to Boaz for years and years, there is only one election held in the United States (actually in the entire world) where the person who receives the most total legal votes doesn't necessarily win: President of the United States.

I guess every other elected office holder - tens of thousands of them - are all illegitimately serving, but for the one who wins his election by geographically weighted ballots according to Boaz.

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-10 07:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"This is a republic," Mastriano declared from atop the Capitol's terrace over a public-address system. "I know the Democrats want to play a game with our republic. They keep calling it a democracy. And to the democracy for which it stands,'" he recited mockingly. "Come on, really? Come on, man!" Behind him, someone waved a large America First flag. Another rallygoer held up a sign with Mastriano's own slogan: WALK AS FREE PEOPLE.

...
The language of Mastriano's speech at Harrisburg, and his speeches since, reflect the partitioning of American politics over the past decade and a half. They are full of references that are often opaque to anyone outside the base but immediately significant to anyone within it. The insistence on America as a "republic" but not a "democracy" is a tendentious reading of James Madison popularized by the John Birch Society, the conspiratorial anti-communist organization - a justification for governing the country according to conservative values and policy prerogatives, even when the numerical majority of its people did not vote for them.

www.nytimes.com

#24 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2022-08-10 07:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Which we arent..

#22 | Posted by boaz

Oh really? So how do senators get their jobs? Howbout congressmen? Howbout sheriffs, mayors, and judges? Inheritence?

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-10 07:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- a "republic" but not a "democracy" is a tendentious reading of James Madison popularized by the John Birch Society, the conspiratorial anti-communist organization - a justification for governing the country according to conservative values and policy prerogatives, even when the numerical majority of its people did not vote for them.

The Birchers are the sobs who became the Tea Party and are now Trumpers.

The John Birchers' Tea Party

www.newyorker.com

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-10 08:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

My #24 was to shine some light on that.
The 'we're not a democracy, we're a republic!!'
I've been hearing that from righties lately to desperate to justify ruling from a minority position.

And it's been around a long time.

#27 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2022-08-10 09:21 PM | Reply

I think we would get more voters to show up at the polls.

#28 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2022-08-10 10:49 PM | Reply

#28

Turn out is the King of Voting... it can win any election.

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-10 11:59 PM | Reply

"They are full of references that are often opaque to anyone outside the base but immediately significant to anyone within it."

Dog whistle politics.

And very much in keeping with Lee Atwater's famous quote.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-11 01:05 AM | Reply

Turn out is the King of Voting... it can win any election.
#29 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2022-08-10 11:59 PM | FLAG:

Voter turnout is what the GOP is working damn hard to reduce. They know the majority are against them. That's why they keep claiming the elections are rigged and coming up with new laws to prevent "fraud."

#31 | Posted by cbob at 2022-08-11 06:24 AM | Reply

Name another country where the person with fewer votes gets to lead the nation.

I really dont give a ---- and neither should you.

We have a different system. One that ensures the minority's vote isnt over ridden. We have the best system in the world. That's why people are dying to come here.

Maybe you should go to "another country" that better suits your political ideology.

#32 | Posted by boaz at 2022-08-11 09:31 AM | Reply

#32
Or maybe you should really work on growing the ---- up?

#33 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-08-11 09:37 AM | Reply

Boaz is such a child. He loves America in the same manner a toddler loves his mommy. For wittle toddler Boaz, all that Mommy says and does is gweat and anyone who cwiticizes Mommy is bad bad bad!

When he grows up, a day which might never come, he will realize that the adults in the room understand that "love" entails understanding, compromise and sometimes gentle critique in order to help the one being loved to grow and become a better companion.

To an adult, the concept of love requires diligence and constant attention" the same things that apply to loving one's country. To a child, love is nothing but sustaining the status quo and something to desperately cling to and scream for when its needs are not fulfilled. Grow up, child.

#34 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2022-08-11 09:51 AM | Reply

a popular vote, which I don't think will happen, would be fine with me because it would change the GOP's presidential electoral strategy.

It would force them into blue states and send a message that's sellable to voters in blue areas.

Out the window goes the pandering and $$$ being spent in the same swing states. Spreads the focus out and perhaps takes the message in a better direction.

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-11 09:54 AM | Reply

Actually, Boazo and his little circle of jerks frame up the problems nicely.

White America is buckling under the pressures of competition from when the fields of opportunity opened up with Affirmative Action. More people to compete with making their "specials" "average" at best. It's akin to why they demand statues of generals even when they lost the war. It's what they do when their feelers are hurt... they want a medal for effort.

They created the everyone gets a medal mentality... but blame it on the liberals.

EOE and AA opened our nation to more native genius, unprecedented growth, prosperity like never before, and a lot of sour grapes munching by those who lost their edge to that reality.

#36 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2022-08-11 11:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I really dont give a ---- and neither should you.

We have a different system. One that ensures the minority's vote isnt over ridden. We have the best system in the world. That's why people are dying to come here.

Maybe you should go to "another country" that better suits your political ideology.

#32 | Posted by boaz

You mean we have the one system IN THE WORLD where the person with fewer votes wins SO THAT A MINORITY THAT PEOPLE DONT APPROVE OF CAN FORCE THEIR OPINIONS ON THE MAJORITY WHO DISAGREE WITH THEM.

Your defense of an unfair system is "Well otherwise we wouldnt win and get our way!"

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-11 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

""mob vote" also known as DEMOCRACY.
#21 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

Mob vote AKA piss on minorities and or fringe people.

#38 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2022-08-11 01:46 PM | Reply

Mob vote AKA piss on minorities and or fringe people.

#38 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

So every democracy everywhere is a system that pisses on minorities and fringe people?

The only alternative to a system of majority rule aka DEMOCRACY is a system of minority rule aka FASCISM.

Maybe democracy wouldnt be so scary to you if your agenda appealed to more people. Maybe if you stopped serving only polluters, racists, and the rich you could win a majority of votes. Ever think of that?

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-11 01:54 PM | Reply

We have a different system. One that ensures the minority's vote isnt over ridden.

You're right. Instead we ensure that the majority's vote is overridden. Literally less people acheiving political actualization. Neither you nor anyone else has ever offered a coherent, rational explanation for why that's a good thing.

And for al your platitudes about "mob rule," your preferred system merely permits a slightly smaller mob to rule.

#40 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-11 02:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Of course, the real answer is that the minority is almost always Republicans now, so of course Republicans prefer a system where they get to govern even though less people want them to.

If you ------- would just admit this it would be infinitely more respectable.

#41 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-11 02:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I like knowing my NO vote HAS to be heard and RESPECTED."

Respect is earned not given. Your vote is heard. You are here complaining freely after all.

You have no right as a minority opinion to tell the majority how to live their lives, that's what dictators do.

Use your wits and rhetorical skills to convince the majority to take your side if you want to change things

There are less people in the state of Montana than in LA county. Montana has the same number of senators as California. Why should we be taxed the same when I have way less representation and political power.

No taxation without representation.

#42 | Posted by dibblda at 2022-08-11 03:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I like knowing my NO vote HAS to be heard and RESPECTED."

Except you believe if the "Yesses" win, that automatically means your "No" vote hasn't been heard OR respected.

If you don't believe in democracy when you lose, you don't believe in democracy.

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-11 03:50 PM | Reply

"You have no right as a minority opinion to tell the majority how to live their lives"

Yeah, but what if those with the minority opinion show up at the school board meetings with guns?

Boaz believes the folks with guns should get their way.

#44 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-11 04:33 PM | Reply

I like knowing my NO vote HAS to be heard and RESPECTED.

In a thread about the electoral college, this is especially hilarious. Just about every state is winner take all, meaning if there are 3 million "no" votes and 3 million+1 "yes" votes, your no vote has not been "heard and respected." It is discarded as though it never occurred.

------. You are so ------- dumb it hurts.

#45 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-11 04:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

it doesn't matter what Americans want
#4 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

I swear, you've nailed your Boaz impersonation.

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-08-11 04:41 PM | Reply

The right wingers' favorite talking point seems to boil down to how victimized they are that the majority of Americans disagree with them on virtually every issue.

#47 | Posted by cbob at 2022-08-11 04:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And NO, it's not changing and it never will. You can best believe that.

#11 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Oh its changing. It's already "changed". As much as you hate and dispise "progress" we have changed before and we will change again.

Just probably not how any of us possibly imagined it would.

BTW- How's that "civil war" coming along? When the "shooting starts" as you hateful maroons passionately hope for then all bets are off.

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-08-11 04:54 PM | Reply

"Republic" as defined by Boaz:

If Republicans win an election, they should be free to govern as Republicans see fit.

On the other hand, if Democrats win an election, they should be free to govern as Republicans see fit.

#49 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-08-11 05:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#49
Basically correct.

#50 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2022-08-11 06:09 PM | Reply

If Republicans win an election, they should be free to govern as Republicans see fit.

On the other hand, if Democrats win an election, they should be free to govern as Republicans see fit.

#49 | Posted by REDIAL

More like - if democrats win an election, then it must have been fraudulent so it should be overturned.

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-11 06:32 PM | Reply

"We have a different system. One that ensures the minority's vote isnt over ridden."

How did slavery ever exist? Slaves were a minority. Their freedoms were overriden.

Explain.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-11 07:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Name another country where the person with fewer votes gets to lead the nation."

How do you think Parliamentary systems work?

#53 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-08-11 08:31 PM | Reply

kaanzas is the perfect example of what happens when then the people take the reins away from the politicians.

#54 | Posted by danni at 2022-08-11 11:19 PM | Reply

compared to 35% who would rather keep the electoral college system.

Funny how this number always seems to come up...

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-12 07:27 AM | Reply

And NO, it's not changing and it never will. You can best believe that.

#11 | Posted by boaz

What if it does?

Would you acquiesce?

#56 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-12 07:29 AM | Reply

Nah, empty land should have more political power than actual people.

- GQP.

#57 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-08-12 07:48 AM | Reply

kaanzas is the perfect example of what happens when then the people take the reins away from the politicians.

#54 | Posted by danni at 2022-08-11 11:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

And that is why the GQP will never allow people to have more power than vacant land.

#58 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-08-12 07:50 AM | Reply

I dont want my votes mixed in with a coastal state. If we let cities do all of our voting, those of us in the middle or opposite thoughts from the democrats in the cities will never have a vote. I like knowing my NO vote HAS to be heard and RESPECTED.

#16 | Posted by boaz

Tell me you're an unAmerican scum bag without telling me you're an unAmerican -------.

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-12 08:13 AM | Reply

Plus, we all know the only reason they want the mob vote is because they want to silence votes that arent in their ideology.

I say ---- em..

#17 | Posted by boaz

The majority doesn't have to silence votes, numbnuts.

The minority does in order to maintain minority rule.

YOU want to silence votes.

UnAmerican -------.

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-12 08:14 AM | Reply

We have a different system. One that ensures the minority's vote isnt over ridden.

Except now it's become the minority vote is the winner.

If you thought the popular vote favored you you'd change your mind in a heartbeat.

Stop acting as if yours is a principled stance.

#61 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-12 08:19 AM | Reply

Mob vote AKA piss on minorities and or fringe people.

#38 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

If constant GOP bad faith governance hadn't taken our government off the rails we'd have what we should have-majority power with checks to allow minority participation and influence.

But we don't have that. The system was broken by cynical righties to increase their own power.

And now we're stuck with the clear majority of folks wanting to overturn the system to better reflect how things rightfully should be.

You broke it, suck it up buttercup.

#62 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-12 08:26 AM | Reply

No, that isn't what a Constitutional Democratic Republic means or does, Boaz.
It does not guarantee your vote gets its way.
Your vote is heard, but that is all it may get you.
Our system of government protects your rights, and is supposed to protect other minority rights. Enumerated rights and those laid out in the Fourteenth amendment (and others).
They are two separate things.

We're supposed to be protected from the tyranny of the majority. That clearly isn't happening at the state level, though. Not in Florida or Texas or in many red states. The ruling GOP in those states has told everyone else to go f**k themselves. And you applaud that.

#63 | Posted by YAV at 2022-08-12 08:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Basically correct.

#50 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Basically?

#64 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-12 08:29 AM | Reply

Dwelling on the popular vote vs electoral vote tally is why folks are against using the electoral college system.....and perhaps the court would argue that's a constitutional issue but I don't think it will change based on that issue.

But what could force our court to take this issue up is if a state's electors fail to vote for the popular vote winner from their state. There is not 100% consistency in this area and most here already know. My knowledge of this issue is very limited but what could happen is a state splits it's electoral votes or simply gives their electoral votes for the overall popular winner rather than the popular winner of their state, etc.....these funky rules that govern some state's electoral process....perhaps that's a path to have the electoral college thrown out and replaced with an amendment which utilizes the popular vote??

just thinking out loud here.....

#65 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-12 08:41 AM | Reply

Dwelling on the popular vote vs electoral vote tally is why folks are against using the electoral college system

When the guy with the least number of votes being the winner becomes a norm and not a historical fluke, it's going to catch people's attention.

Especially with the very real consequences we've seen.

Popular vote will never be a thing. I don't personally think it should be.

I've always favored proportioning EC votes by proportions of votes per state. Like NE and ME (IIRC) do.

#66 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-12 09:11 AM | Reply

" But we don't have that. The system was broken by cynical righties to increase their own power."

How do you figure?

What have cynical righties done that lefties haven't?

#67 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-12 09:20 AM | Reply

I've always believed that at the time the EC was established, technology didn't allow for an accurate count of votes and the EC was a more practical way to tally an overall vote for president.

That technological challenge no longer exists.

But the process/obstacle to change is still present, however......

#68 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-12 09:27 AM | Reply

#68 Lmao, that makes no sense. If each state can tally its own votes to determine who won their electoral votes, then why couldn't they add up each state's tally?

And that's setting aside your apparently complete ignorance of history in terms of why they actually implemented the EC. It had nothing to do with difficulty tallying.

#69 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-12 11:40 AM | Reply

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