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Friday, August 12, 2022

Former President Donald Trump on Friday denied reports that he was in possession of classified documents relating to nuclear weapons that FBI agents reportedly sought when they searched his Florida residence earlier this week.

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"Nuclear weapons issue is a Hoax, just like Russia, Russia, Russia was a Hoax, two Impeachments were a Hoax, the Mueller investigation was a Hoax, and much more. Same sleazy people involved," Trump wrote on Truth Social, tying his latest exchange with law enforcement to longstanding and oft-repeated grievances."

Trump on Friday also echoed baseless assertions from Republicans in the days following the search that the FBI is biased against him and may have planted evidence as they searched Mar-a-Lago.

"Why wouldn't the FBI allow the inspection of areas at Mar-a-Lago with our lawyer's, or others, present," Trump wrote on Truth Social. "Made them wait outside in the heat, wouldn't let them get even close - said ABSOLUTELY NOT.' Planting information anyone? Reminds me of a Christofer [sic] Steele Dossier!"

Um... Russian influence in the election wasn't a hoax, and neither was anything else he listed.

2017 Lie of the Year: Russian election interference is a 'made-up story'

www.politifact.com

Of course, then we had the Big Lie about the election, so the Lie of the Century.

This new lie about the FBI planting docs is just a another of so, so many lies his dupes, er, troops have swallowed whole.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-12 12:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"In remarks to conservative media outlet Real America's Voice, one of Trump's lawyers said the former president was able to watch the search remotely from New Jersey via Mar-a-Lago's system of security cameras.

"Not only will I not oppose the release of documents related to the unAmerican, unwarranted, and unnecessary raid and break-in of my home in Palm Beach, Florida, Mar-a-Lago, I am going a step further by ENCOURAGING the immediate release of those documents," Trump said Thursday in a Truth Social post."

Garland 1, Donnie O.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-12 12:22 PM | Reply

"I am going a step further by ENCOURAGING the immediate release of those documents"

^
Trump could have done that any time they were in his possession.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-12 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

... "Nuclear weapons issue is a Hoax, just like Russia, Russia, Russia was a Hoax, two Impeachments were a Hoax, the Mueller investigation was a Hoax, and much more. Same sleazy people involved," Trump wrote on Truth Social, tying his latest exchange with law enforcement to longstanding and oft-repeated grievances." ...

The problem with his statement is that the only people who believe all those things were a hoax are his solid supporters.

If he wanted to show that the search of MAL was a hoax, he should come up with some better reasoning.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-12 12:45 PM | Reply

Based on the very latest reporting, some of the documents contained the identities of foreigners on the US Intel payroll.

Putting 2 and 2 together, it seems quite logical that the documents Trump might have possessed contained information about active intelligence sources on the US payroll who may be spies within other nation's nuclear programs.

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-12 12:59 PM | Reply

... Former President Donald Trump on Friday denied reports that he was in possession of classified documents relating to nuclear weapons...

He can back up his assertion by making public the search warrant and the inventory of retrieved documents that the FBI gave him.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-12 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Literally anything that comes out of that fat slob's gaping maw is a lie.

#7 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-08-12 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Literally anything that comes out of that fat slob's gaping maw is a lie.

#7 | POSTED BY LEGALLYYOURDEAD

If Trump is making a point of denying it then you know it must be true.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2022-08-12 01:41 PM | Reply

He can back up his assertion by making public the search warrant and the inventory of retrieved documents that the FBI gave him.

The information has been obtained by the WSJ (likely from Trump's attorney's or aides) and all we're finding out is that 11 sets of classified documents were taken along with a few others.

The types and subject matters of the highly classified documents are almost certainly never going to be publicly revealed and Trump knows this.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-12 01:53 PM | Reply

@#9 ... The types and subject matters of the highly classified documents are almost certainly never going to be publicly revealed and Trump knows this....

Yeah.

I agree the "types and subject matters" of such sensitive documents likely would not be put on an inventory list.

WSJ says they saw the inventory list, so the contents of it can't be classified.

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-12 02:39 PM | Reply

they saw the inventory list

They saw what has now been released. The warrant and inventory will not contain classified details either since both are publicly obtainable documents. There may be other sealed documents with details that won't go public, but it's highly unlikely that even this judge - or Trump's counsel - has the security clearance to see or discuss the SPA materials reportedly recovered from Trump.

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-12 02:46 PM | Reply

@#11 ... the SPA materials ...

SAP - Special Access Program...

Special access program
en.wikipedia.org

...Special access programs (SAPs) in the U.S. Federal Government are security protocols that provide highly classified information with safeguards and access restrictions that exceed those for regular (collateral) classified information.

SAPs can range from black projects to routine but especially-sensitive operations, such as COMSEC maintenance or presidential transportation support.

In addition to collateral controls, a SAP may impose more stringent investigative or adjudicative requirements, specialized nondisclosure agreements, special terminology or markings, exclusion from standard contract investigations (carve-outs), and centralized billet systems.[1]

Within the Department of Defense, SAP is better known as "SAR" by the mandatory Special Access Required (SAR) markings. ...



Acronyms 'r' Us

:)



#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-12 03:35 PM | Reply

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And for those who don't know, Trump simply having SAP classified documents is an unquestioned violation of the Espionage Act. Doesn't meant he'll be charged, but to the letter of the law he should be.

POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2022-08-12 12:16 PM

What the hell do you think happens to people taking SAP-level documents?
I do agree that it's terribly irresponsible to preemptively accuse the FBI of planting evidence.
Trump watched the damn raid on MAL's security feed live as it was happening. He knew the FBI didn't plant any information and he knew why they were there. He lied to his rabid followers and led to another needless death due to his psychopathy.

POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2022-08-12 09:40 AM

Donald Trump might very well have been in possession of SAP level information some of his closest "friends" would pay a fortune for...

POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2022-08-12 01:43 AM

Finger fart, Lamp.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-12 03:42 PM | Reply

@#13

No prob.

Just took me a little longer to figure out what you were saying. :)

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-12 03:45 PM | Reply

"FBI search warrant shows Trump under investigation for potential obstruction of justice, Espionage Act violations

A search warrant viewed by POLITICO reveals that the FBI is investigating Donald Trump for potential violations of the Espionage Act and obstruction of justice laws.

The warrant shows federal law enforcement was investigating Trump for removal or destruction of records, obstruction of justice, and violating the Espionage Act. Conviction under the statutes can result in imprisonment or fines."

www.politico.com

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-12 04:06 PM | Reply

"Obstruction of justice" could also be related to the Fake Ballot investigation.

Or any number of other criminal acts Donnie has committed.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-12 04:12 PM | Reply

'Member the near hysterical outrage on the right when Sandy Berger removed a doc from the National Archives?

lmao!

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-12 04:35 PM | Reply

Michael Beschloss
@BeschlossDC

Rosenbergs were convicted for giving U.S. nuclear secrets to Moscow, and were executed June 1953:

twitter.com

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-12 04:42 PM | Reply

Trump can say what he wants the Feds now have what he took and the court system will be the judge of whether or not trump took classified nuclear docs and if he gets the gas chamber or the electric chair.

#19 | Posted by Tor at 2022-08-12 10:24 PM | Reply

@#19 ... Trump can say what he wants ...

Yup.

This case will now be resolved in the realm of the Judicial Branch of our government.

Things like "under oath testimony" seem to be most frightening to fmr Pres Trump.

One needs to wonder why.

Pink Floyd - Childhood's End
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#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-12 10:36 PM | Reply

#19 | POSTED BY TOR

Then why would the warrant be missing 18USC 1924??

You know the one that concerns classified documents.

None of the codes listed required classified docs, and the one that does wasn't in the warrant.

So tell me about "classified" docs being relevant.

#21 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-12 11:36 PM | Reply

The one thing you can be sure of, is that you can't believe Trump. He lied his way through the presidency. According to the Washington Post he lied 30,573 times over the 4 years he was in office. He averaged 21 lies or misdirections a day. No one thinks he's changed who he is.

www.washingtonpost.com

Since he's not under oath, why would anyone credit what he says as being true?

#22 | Posted by BBQ at 2022-08-13 12:31 AM | Reply

Then why would the warrant be missing 18USC 1924??
You know the one that concerns classified documents.
None of the codes listed required classified docs, and the one that does wasn't in the warrant.
So tell me about "classified" docs being relevant.
#21 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Espionage Act covers mishandling of NatSec documents, and here, "the retrieval, storage or transmission" of materials irrespective of classification. Section 1519 refers to "intent to impede" an investigation, and Section 2071 the theft of govt docs.
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Folks, remember the Russian tactic of "reflexive control" " feeding you assumption that you accept in order to reach an outcome your adversary desires. The assumption being planted here is that if the docs were unclassified, it's very legal and very cool. But it's still stolen 1/

They want to make the decisive point the status of classification, so that they can say "If it's only purloined records, that's not a big deal." Dozens of boxes of stolen presidential records are a big deal, classified or not. This is a STOLEN PROPERTY CASE 2/

It's true that the national security implications of that stolen property provided the impetus, urgency, and justification for DOJ to take the steps it did. But do NOT let them define the criminal bar for whether the actions were acceptable.


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#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-08-13 06:24 AM | Reply

Then why would the warrant be missing 18USC 1924??
You know the one that concerns classified documents.
None of the codes listed required classified docs, and the one that does wasn't in the warrant.
So tell me about "classified" docs being relevant.
#21 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

The classified docs are relevant because even if Trump claims he declassified them, that doesn't magically eliminate the damage declassifying them can cause:

SECRET documents have info if disclosed would cause "serious damage" to national security.

That damage may include disruption of foreign relations, description of plans or intelligence operations, or compromise of technologies.

Executive Order 13526 say:

"TOP SECRET classification [is] applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the National Security that the original classification authority is able to identify"


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Again, Trump claiming he declassified the docs without following the proper procedures for declassification doesn't magically eliminate the damage declassifying them can cause:

Note the classification "authority." That's the person or office that determines the classification (usually an intelligence agency, though in combat I personally classified some documents).

Note the "declassification." Only the office that classifies can declassify...20/

The reason the classifier also declassifies is a "process" must notify all others who are involved with the information...or who may be endangered by its release.

Yes, technically, @potus can order declassification...but other people have to know & the date must be noted!!!

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-08-13 06:49 AM | Reply

GAL
Posters like the one at #21 never engage in any real research when seeking information to bolster a position. (That's what "alternative facts" are for.). And they will absolutely never admit to wheeling out, highlighting, and dancing around some new "revelation" that turns out to be utterly baseless crappola. Nature of the beastie, nature of the beastie.

#25 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-08-13 06:59 AM | Reply

Things that make you say, Hmmm:

Steve Vladeck
@steve_vladeck
The problem with the "Trump declassified everything by unwritten fiat" argument is not just the absence of any contemporaneous evidence that it happened; it's that, if presidents had that kind of power, Biden could just reclassify everything Trump declassified in one fell swoop.

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-08-13 07:11 AM | Reply

Trump confuses the classification/declassification process with Indian Poker. Or Double Secret Probation. His frames of reference are all rooted in fairy tales, comic books, cartoons, gossip, coupled with a shrewd grifter's understanding of how to play on the empty heads and fears of marks.

The depths of the utter contempt he feels for people stupid, ignorant and/or craven enough to fall for his act must reach from here to the nosebleed section on Pluto.

#27 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-08-13 07:21 AM | Reply

If documents are classified for national security reasons, just because Trump takes them home to MAL with him and in so doing claims they are now declassified, it doesn't mean the material contained in the documents is suddenly no longer vital to national security. Furthermore once Trump was no longer president, it was illegal for him to have the documents in his possession classified or not. They are not his personal property, but belong to the US govt. Get it?:

Most notably, the search warrant authorized FBI agents to seize materials from Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence to investigate crimes in connection with the Espionage Act, which outlaws the unauthorized retention of national security information that could harm the United States or aid an adversary. . . .

But whether the former president actually declassified the documents may not ultimately matter. The Espionage Act, for instance, does not distinguish between classified and declassified materials--unauthorized retention of any document relevant to the statute remains a crime.


www.theguardian.com

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-08-13 07:36 AM | Reply

"Trump confuses the classification/declassification process with Indian Poker. "

I think he sees it like he sees the presidential pardoning power aka as a get out of jail free card for himself much as the pardoning power gave him a get out of jail free card for others.

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-08-13 08:20 AM | Reply

IOW, it's his "I can do whatever the hell I want and no one can stop me" card.

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-08-13 08:23 AM | Reply

#29
Sure, since he's repeatedly expressed his belief in the unbridled powers of the presidency (presumably only so long as he's the officeholder).

#31 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-08-13 08:25 AM | Reply

Basically, he makes and remakes the rules on whim.
The character of the Mad King melded with an absurdist Queen of Hearts, personified.

#32 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-08-13 08:40 AM | Reply

must reach from here to the nosebleed section on Pluto

Now that's pretty far :)

#33 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2022-08-13 11:32 AM | Reply

The classified docs are relevant because even if Trump claims he declassified them, that doesn't magically eliminate the damage declassifying them can cause:

Doesn't mean its for public consumption, it could be Controlled Unclassified Information, or like Tony stated Biden or even Trump could reclassify them, there's a whole office that does just that within the WestWing, Information Security Oversight Office. Just because something is declassified it doesn't mean its on the internet.

Its the Presidents responsibility and his judgement, if he's negotiating an agreement, he has everything at his disposal, and can declassify everything but a small portion of Nuclear secrets, which more than likely, he and nobody in the WestWing even has knowledge of.

The President can even make it TS between two countries.

If he chooses to do so then so be it, if its bad for the nation that's the breaks. But there are certain things he can't take to bed with him, my guess would be they never had those sorts of documents in the WestWing.

#34 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-13 04:48 PM | Reply

Basically, he makes and remakes the rules on whim.

He was the executive power ... welcome the USA Government.

If documents are classified for national security reasons, just because Trump takes them home to MAL.

It doesn't matter, the Government wasn't even making that claim. They are implying nefarious use of documents.

which outlaws the unauthorized retention of national security information that could harm the United States or aid an adversary.

This is what I was stating. But if it was national security information but not classified, how does that work?? that was classified they would apply US 1924 which Trump increased the penalty for? wouldn't that be justice?

Finally all these documents are batched/numbered. These should have been in the warrant, the missing ones, the onse he was given, all of this would have been recorded by the ISOO. The warrant was broad and not specific, it could have remained sealed, and if the raid produced those documents Garlend could have come clean about the reasoning .... now its just crazy making by both sides..

#35 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-13 04:54 PM | Reply

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