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Saturday, August 13, 2022

The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 produced an even stranger category of classified knowledge. Anything related to the production or use of nuclear weapons and nuclear power is inherently classified, and Trump could utter whatever words he pleased yet still be in possession of classified material.

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His lies keep getting exposed.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-13 11:02 AM | Reply

I wish we would stop saying "nuclear secrets".

That is an unverified report.

We actually don't know what secrets he had stockpiled in his basement yet.

We may never know. We aren't suppose to know.

But he had boxes and boxes of Secret TS and TS SCI material that he was not authorized to have. And he refused to grove them back after being told to turn them over.

And they were not "declassified".

Yes the President had the power to declassify them. But claiming you did (after becoming a private citizen) by waving your magic Trumpy wand doesn't actually do anything.

If they were still marked classified secret or TS SCI then they still were.

Just possessing them as a private citizen was a crime.

Lock him up!!

#2 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-08-13 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nuclear wessels.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-13 12:42 PM | Reply

Nuclear weasels telling everyone Ver our nuclear vessels are ...

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-08-13 01:17 PM | Reply

We actually don't know what secrets he had stockpiled in his basement yet.

Here's my guess, everything he took to his residence in the WH.

If they were still marked classified secret or TS SCI then they still were.
Not exactly.

Which according to Trump lawyers there was a standing order that if he did this it would be declassified. The executive isn't bound by the rules of classification or even his own EO's.

Also all files pertaining to CrossFire were declassified.
trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov

All TS papers/files are uniquely numbered/batched. IF they don't know the files that are missing then we have a bigger problem, I would also assert those unique papers/batches missing would have been in the warrant.

#5 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-13 01:49 PM | Reply

You are a stooge and a fool.

#6 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-08-13 02:51 PM | Reply

"Yes the President had the power to declassify them."

Presidents most definitely do not have the authority to declassify some nuclear documents.

#7 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-13 03:00 PM | Reply

"But he had boxes and boxes of Secret TS and TS SCI material that he was not authorized to have."

If it were marked TS/SCI he would have had the authority to declassify it.

#8 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-13 03:01 PM | Reply

"All TS papers/files are uniquely numbered/batched."

That's not true.

There may be documents that are catalogued, but it is up to the individual to record if they print off a document.

#9 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-13 03:05 PM | Reply

I've heard nuclear info his own separate classification system.

Trump is going to fry.

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2022-08-13 03:06 PM | Reply

Well, except for the Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-13 03:06 PM | Reply

"If it were marked TS/SCI he would have had the authority to declassify it."

Without a paper trail? And without notifying the classifiers???

And do you mean "declassify", as in FOIA can now get it, or was he just doing the double-secret taksie-backsies?

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-13 03:08 PM | Reply

Even assuming he could declassify everything.

Does that also mean he can take it, and refuse to give it back?

#13 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-13 03:10 PM | Reply

Here's a sterling example of Donald Trump's declassification method.

#14 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-13 03:15 PM | Reply

"I've heard nuclear info his own separate classification system."

No.

It's all still secret or TS...it just has it's own specific caveats. In order to access this information, you must have a need to know.

But there are only four basic classification levels. UNCLASS, CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET, and TOP SECRET.

#15 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-13 03:21 PM | Reply

"Without a paper trail? And without notifying the classifiers???"

The president is the top classification authority. With regards to everything but DOE nuclear information.

The plane that Maverick flew in TOP GUN MAVERICK...a pres could declassify that instantly. The yields of nuclear weapons...not so much.

#16 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-13 03:23 PM | Reply

JOE

I can't imagine ANY defense that would get Trump off the hook this time. There's just too much there there.

#17 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-08-13 03:23 PM | Reply

"And do you mean "declassify", as in FOIA can now get it, or was he just doing the double-secret taksie-backsies?"

If it's declassified, you don't need an FOIA request. It's already approved to be released within the public sphere.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-13 03:24 PM | Reply

"Does that also mean he can take it, and refuse to give it back?"

If he unclassified it? Absolutely.

Anyone can have it.

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-13 03:25 PM | Reply

#19 Like i can go into the National Archives and grab it and put it in my padlocked basement? Cool.

#20 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-13 03:27 PM | Reply

These declassification laws are going to be added to the list of laws, like those concerning the peaceful transfer of Presidential power... that have to be updated to account for Dark Triad personality types and/or traitors.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-13 03:31 PM | Reply

The president is the top classification authority.

It's not the case that a president can declassify documents with just verbal instructions. His instruction to declassify a given document would first be memorialized in a written memo, usually drafted by White House counsel, which he would then sign.

Typically, the leadership of the agency or agencies with equities in the document would be consulted and given an opportunity to provide their views on the declassification decision. As the ultimate declassification authority, however, the president can decide to override any objections they raise.

Once a final decision is made, and the relevant agency receives the president's signed memo, the physical document in question would be marked " the old classification level would be crossed out " and the document would then be stamped, "Declassified on X date" by the agency in question.

Former Trump administration officials have claimed that Trump previously declassified the documents taken with him to Mar-a-Lago, but that the classification markings had not been updated.

www.cbsnews.com

#22 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-13 03:35 PM | Reply

These declassification laws are going to be added to the list of laws, like those concerning the peaceful transfer of Presidential power... that have to be updated to account for Dark Triad personality types and/or traitors.

Not really. If Congress tried to constrain a President's constitutional power they'd be in violation of the separation doctrines.

There is already an established protocol for Presidential declassification powers and there isn't a shred of evidence that Trump followed any of its dictates as it regards the information in his possession.

And perhaps even more importantly, if Trump had actually declassified all the documents still marked classified, Joe Biden would have reclassified them once he became President. Declassification/reclassification is a 2-way street. Trump can go into federal court and make his claims but he didn't follow the process nor memorialize his actions. Basically, he's lying after the fact and I have no doubt that given the circumstances (for the past 18 months, Trump never once made the claim of declassification as NARA sought to retrieve government documents he'd wrongly taken from the White House) any federal judge will reach the same conclusion.

And in reality, classification isn't even an issue with the crimes listed on the search warrant. Every single statutory violation under investigation doesn't rely on classification whatsoever. It's still a criminal violation for Trump to have been in personal possession of the documents the FBI retrieved from MAL, period.

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-08-13 03:44 PM | Reply

This is a red herring, anyway. The relevant provisions of the Espionage Act Trump appears to have violated aren't limited to "classified" material anyway.

Trump is f'd and his cult knows it.

#24 | Posted by anton at 2022-08-13 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#23

Exactly.

#25 | Posted by anton at 2022-08-13 03:46 PM | Reply

"#19 Like i can go into the National Archives and grab it and put it in my padlocked basement? Cool."

No. Like you can go onto the internet and download a copy to your desktop.

#26 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-13 03:51 PM | Reply

Remember before the 2020 election when ------- just declassified a whole bunch of stuff via Tweet? I do.

I get the distinct impression that ------- doesn't actually KNOW the procedure for declassifying material. He thinks he just says it and it is done.

He really isn't a "detail" person.

#27 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-13 05:19 PM | Reply

#26 Ok, so not what Trump did. Cool.

#28 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-13 06:51 PM | Reply

"I get the distinct impression that ------- doesn't actually KNOW the procedure for declassifying material. He thinks he just says it and it is done."

I don't think he knows. More importantly, he doesn't give a ----.

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-14 03:29 AM | Reply

"#26 Ok, so not what Trump did. Cool."

I don't know. I would suspect that there may be a restriction on private individuals keeping original documents.

I don't own any of my work emails, for instance. At any time, someone could file an FOIA request to get access to them.

#30 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-14 03:30 AM | Reply

#30 That's exactly my point. Glad we agree.

#31 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-14 10:06 AM | Reply

Anyone can have it.

#19 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Anything produced while in office belongs to the People not the President. There are laws dictating what he can and cannot take.

These things are required to be processed and handled by the National Archives.

Regardless it's red herring. None of the laws or statutes that the FBI cited in support of warrant even mentions the word "classified". Probably for this very reason. Taking any documents that belong to the people and storing them in your basement and refusing to give them back even after you were subpoenaed is obviously a crime.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-08-14 11:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

... and the lying about it.

It wouldn't be Trumpy to steal docs, hide them, refuse to give them back, if he couldn't then lie thru his lawyer about having given ALL of them back. Then lie through another lawyer that there had even been a warrant for the search.

Not even Hollywood would make up this story; no one would believe it.

Which is Trump's (and Hitler's) Big Lie strategry from the beginning.

From the Beginning

www.youtube.com

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-14 06:03 PM | Reply

Insurrectionist Kash Patel says you're lying.

According to him, Trump can just stand over a table of documents and using his mental prowess *poof* they are now declassified. Fox Entertainment is not doing anyone other than Fat Donnie Felon a favor by putting this reckless shitake on the air. People are going to get killed thanks to them.

MAGAt is a cult.

#34 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-08-15 07:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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