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Tuesday, August 16, 2022

The US Department of the Interior has declared a tier 2 shortage for the Colorado River starting next year. The shortage means that Arizona, Nevada and New Mexico will have to reduce their use of water from the river. Arizona will see the largest cut and will have to reduce their use from the river by 21%.

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Keep watering them lawns and washing cars..

#1 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-08-16 11:38 PM | Reply

Keep watering them lawns and washing cars.. #1 | Posted by lfthndthrds

It was nuts how green the lawns were in Arizona when I saw it a few years back. Also how few of the homes had solar. It's the freaking desert.

#2 | Posted by censored at 2022-08-17 12:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

This isn't just happening in the US Southwest. In England the source of the Thames has dried up and the new source is now 5 miles downstream. In Germany the Rhine is getting low enough that cargo shippers report only loading ships with about 25% of the normal load to keep from running aground. Iraq recently had to request that Turkey release more water into the Tigris and Euphrates rivers from upstream reservoirs. In China the water levels of the Yangtze is at record low and Chinese officials have began warning that this year's grain harvest will affected by drought. In South America the Parana, the continent's second largest river, has reached record lows and is disrupting fishing, shipping and energy production. The flow rate of the river has dropped from 17,000 cubic meters a second to 6,200.

#3 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-08-17 12:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

California is the second largest producer of **rice** in the US at about half a million acres. Maybe farmers shouldn't be growing water intensive crops like rice and almonds. Washing your car is a drop in the bucket.

#4 | Posted by dibblda at 2022-08-17 12:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So where the heck is all the water going? Obviously it's not coming down as rain where it used to, but it must be going somewhere?

It must still be evaporating, is it just staying in the atmosphere?

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-08-17 12:45 AM | Reply

"So where the heck is all the water going? Obviously it's not coming down as rain where it used to, but it must be going somewhere?
It must still be evaporating, is it just staying in the atmosphere?"

To condense into droplets, water has to cool down and give off energy. If the ambient temperature is too high, then no precipitation. Probably continues east and dumps on the rest of the country....see floods that are happening.

More important than rain is snow pack in the west. Snow is like a bank that slowly releases the water downstream and into aquifers and lakes. Fast flowing water will run over soil, into creeks, and then the ocean.

#6 | Posted by dibblda at 2022-08-17 01:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So where the heck is all the water going? Obviously it's not coming down as rain where it used to, but it must be going somewhere?
It must still be evaporating, is it just staying in the atmosphere?

#5 | POSTED BY REDIAL

It is going into the atmosphere and into the oceans. We are used to a water cycle where water evaporates from the surface, becomes water vapor that rises, condenses and forms water droplets and eventually falls back to earth as precipitation and replenishes. Some of that precipitation freezes in colder areas which replenishes the snow pack and then melts in warmer months and feeds the rivers. As the atmosphere warms it holds onto more water so we get less water falling back to the surface and we also get less water freezing so instead of being trapped inland that water just flows out to the sea and we get rising oceans.

#7 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-08-17 01:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It is going into the atmosphere and into the oceans.

I grok that but there's still a ---- ton of water evaporating from the oceans, no? I'm not a climate genius by any means but my understanding is there is a finite amount of water on the planet and all it does is change form and move around. I suppose sea level rise would account for a lot of it.

#8 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-08-17 01:31 AM | Reply

This is the problem with abusing resources-eventually they run out.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2022-08-17 01:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

California is the second largest producer of **rice** in the US
It's even worse than you think. Most of the rice grown in California is to fulfill trade agreements and shipped to Japan. It makes the guy selling ice to Eskimos look like a piker.
They grow alfalfa (((grass))) in Arizona and put in on one of the recently emptied container ships bringing Chinesium crap. We sail it across the ocean to fed cows on the other side of the world.

#10 | Posted by BluSky at 2022-08-17 07:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Keep watering them lawns and washing cars..

#1 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-08-16 11:38 PM | Reply

I am sure the golf courses will still be irrigating. Can't inconvenience the 1%

#11 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-08-17 07:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So where the heck is all the water going?

A lot is being pumped into the ground to extract oil and natural gas through fracking.

"Fracking consumes a massive amount of water. In the United States, the average can run between 1.5 million and 9.7 million gallons of water to frack a single well, according to the United States Geological Survey (USGS). "

As the atmosphere warms it holds onto more water so we get less water falling back to the surface and we also get less water freezing so instead of being trapped inland that water just flows out to the sea and we get rising oceans.

Spot on.

#12 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-08-17 07:47 AM | Reply

I'm going to Las Vegas next month. I wonder whether the Bellagio fountain will still be operating when I get there...

#13 | Posted by catdog at 2022-08-17 09:13 AM | Reply

I wonder whether the Bellagio fountain will still be operating when I get there...

Of course it will.

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-08-17 09:33 AM | Reply

-I am sure the golf courses will still be irrigating. Can't inconvenience the 1%

a lot more than the 1% play golf in Arizona.

But.......I wonder at some point what they intend to do. Water golf courses or literally have no water coming out of the faucets.

I would think this would cause folks to re-consider living in a desert (with millions of other people) 100% reliant on water to be delivered/allocated to them from hundreds and hundreds of miles away.

But I suppose you're all right....the golf courses will keep getting water, The fountains will still work, etc.

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 09:37 AM | Reply

This would never happen with a Republican in the White House. Republicans would just kick the can.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 09:48 AM | Reply

Its fairly bad here in Texas. It's a bit funny to look at people selling their lake homes with docks that no longer even reach the water and boat lifts above completely dry land.

#17 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-08-17 10:03 AM | Reply

Tangentially related...

China's worst heatwave in 60 years is forcing factories to close
www.cnn.com

...China's Sichuan province has ordered all factories to shut down for six days to ease a power shortage in the region as a scorching heat wave sweeps across the country.
Sichuan is a key manufacturing location for the semiconductor and solar panel industries and the power rationing will hit factories belonging to some of the world's biggest electronics companies, including Apple (AAPL) supplier Foxconn and Intel (INTC).
The province is also China's lithium mining hub -- a key component of electric car batteries -- and the shutdown may push up the cost of the raw material, analysts said.

China is facing its fiercest heat wave in six decades, with temperatures crossing 40 degrees Celsius (104 degrees Fahrenheit) in dozens of cities. The extreme heat has caused a spike in demand for air conditioning in offices and homes, putting pressure on the power grid. The drought has also depleted river water levels, reducing the amount of electricity produced at hydropower plants. ...



#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-17 10:17 AM | Reply

It's amazing how rapidly the world is changing. The willful ignorance and arrogance of Global Warming deniers the last 30 years has helped to cause what is probably irreparable damage.

#19 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2022-08-17 11:37 AM | Reply

"Water golf courses or literally have no water coming out of the faucets."

Water will always come put of the taps of the rich. Let them eat cake indeed.

Coastal cities will adapt with desalination. Inland areas are screwed.

Catalina Island in California has a city that is reliant on desalination, has been for years.

#20 | Posted by dibblda at 2022-08-17 12:23 PM | Reply

Washing your car is a drop in the bucket.

#4 | POSTED BY DIBBLDA AT 2022-08-17 12:38 AM | REPLY

I see the point you're trying to make but........ Every lawn, every car wash, every swimming pool that has to be maintained to a full level, every golf course etc....

How many people live in the SW corner of this country in the middle of a desert? 30-40 million?

The ---- adds up

#21 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-08-17 02:39 PM | Reply

The ---- adds up

#21 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Just like the CO2 your climate change denying party has fought to allow oil companies to spread into the air and roast the planet.

We told you there would be disastrous consequences like this. You called us liars and said it was all a hoax. Are you ready to say you were the liars yet?

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-17 02:48 PM | Reply

hear that, Lft.....speakstupid TOLD you ---------!!!!!

Riding his Schwinn flipping you the bird, he said it....."STOP CALLING ME A LIAR....STOP ROASTING THE PLANET!!"

And he fell ....got a little booboo on his knee...and walked home in tears.

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 02:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

but a better person for it....

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 02:53 PM | Reply

hear that, Lft.....speakstupid TOLD you ---------!!!!!

Riding his Schwinn flipping you the bird, he said it....."STOP CALLING ME A LIAR....STOP ROASTING THE PLANET!!"

And he fell ....got a little booboo on his knee...and walked home in tears.

#23 | Posted by eberly

Let me guess, now you're going to pretend you dont vote for climate change deniers just like you don't vote for anti abortion politicians.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-17 03:06 PM | Reply

25

look boy.....you were probably a cute little fella once upon a time.

But that's over now...and you're ugly.

How do I know this? You come at me with this ugliness in your soul.

in a republican primary where a republican is going to win no matter what in the general.....I vote for the most moderate choice.

So....that means I vote AGAINST climate change deniers and anti-abortion politicians MORE THAN YOU do.

or I could switch parties and vote for a guaranteed loser over and over.

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 03:15 PM | Reply

"climate change deniers"

That's a much bigger group than you think.

In the near future, you'll see everyone living within 5 miles of a beach or in the desert be accused of being the real climate change deniers, despite what they claim they believe.

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 03:20 PM | Reply

"How many people live in the SW corner of this country in the middle of a desert? 30-40 million?
The ---- adds up"

I get your point. At least in California, agriculture accounts for 80 percent of water used in business and residences. 20 percent left, and I doubt most of that 20 percent is car washing.

California needs our farmers to pull their weight or at least stop growing jungle crops in an arid landscape. Insanity.

#28 | Posted by dibblda at 2022-08-17 03:31 PM | Reply

look boy.....you were probably a cute little fella once upon a time.

But that's over now...and you're ugly.

How do I know this? You come at me with this ugliness in your soul.

in a republican primary where a republican is going to win no matter what in the general.....I vote for the most moderate choice.

So....that means I vote AGAINST climate change deniers and anti-abortion politicians MORE THAN YOU do.

or I could switch parties and vote for a guaranteed loser over and over.

#26 | Posted by eberly

Ever notice how I never have to personally attack you or throw insults about anything other than your political leanings? You're the one who instantly has to start personal insults because you have no other defense. It's why you pestered me for weeks for details about my personal life. You need ammo you can use in your off topic personal attacks when you can't refute the topic of the debate. It's always the same - start losing a debate, start feminine insults, then gay insults...it says so much about you that this is your best attack. It's quite telling about your own secrets and insecuritites really.

You vote for the climate change denier party. You vote for the abortion banning party. If you want to send them a message that you dont agree with their policies, vote for the other party.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-17 03:33 PM | Reply

-Ever notice how I never have to personally attack you

that's true. Not because you don't try to personally attack me...but because you're so weak at it nobody notices that's what you're trying to do. They know it's moronic trolling.

It's why you're so ignored.........

You're ugly

Nobody wants to touch this.

nobody wants to help you

You're a total nobody

You're lucky I even respond to your pathetic worthless persona.

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 03:41 PM | Reply

-Ever notice how I never have to personally attack you

that's true. Not because you don't try to personally attack me...but because you're so weak at it nobody notices that's what you're trying to do. They know it's moronic trolling.

It's why you're so ignored.........

You're ugly

Nobody wants to touch this.

nobody wants to help you

You're a total nobody

You're lucky I even respond to your pathetic worthless persona.

#30 | Posted by eberly

One personal attack after another. I don't attack you personally because I don't like punching down. Your life is obviously miserable or you wouldnt be so obsessed with mine. There's nothing I could say that would make you feel worse about where you've ended up. Your existence is your punishment, and that's enough justice for me. I don't need help beating up on a handicapped kid.

Personal attacks is all you have. Lashing out at those better than you, seething with jealousy and inferiority.

You cant deny you help elect climate change deniers and abortion access blockers. You cant deny you spend every day attacking democrats and defending republicans. But you can lash out with your weak personal attacks when someone points out your record.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-17 04:32 PM | Reply

hear that, Lft.....speakstupid TOLD you ---------!!!!!

#23 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2022-08-17 02:52 PM | REPLY |

The only thing I heard was that frakkers crash helmet hitting the floor.

#32 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-08-17 05:46 PM | Reply

The only thing I heard was that frakkers crash helmet hitting the floor.

#32 | Posted by lfthndthrds

If the climate change denier party wants to hang out on climate change threads and talk about the consequences of your actions, you're welcome to, but we're not going to stop reminding you that this is what you vote for - worse climate change consequences.

Did it ever occur to you that if your leaders would lie to you about something as big as climate change for decades, that they might be telling you other massive lies as well? Like tax cuts for the rich helping the working class or the 2020 election being stolen?

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-17 06:38 PM | Reply

That is why two of the side effects of AGW are droughts and floods. At first blush, it sounds like the two things should cancel out. But what it really meas is huge tracts of the American West are going to move from semi-arid to full on arid while the Midwest gets a thousand year flood every three years. Some places have way too much water and other places have not nearly enough.

Also, in the short term, the land heats up faster than the ocean as the oceans act as a giant heat sink (until they can't anymore which is a whole other problem). This means that precipitation is more likely to fall over the oceans than land. This has somewhat always been true. Most of the planet's surface is ocean, so it figures that's where most of the rain will fall. But the oceans' share of rain is gaining while the land will lose out.

#34 | Posted by s1l3ntc0y0t3 at 2022-08-18 01:35 AM | Reply

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