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Wednesday, August 17, 2022

Allies of Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) tell Axios that after last night's primary loss, they expect her to start a super PAC -- which would attract lots of wealthy, anti-Trump Republican donors.

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she lost by quite a lot.

#1 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 09:13 AM | Reply

"Obviously we're all very grateful to President Trump, who recognizes that Wyoming has only one congressional representative and we have to make it count," said Hageman, a ranching industry attorney who had finished third in a previous bid for governor.

You keep wondering why there is still loyalty to Trump.........

#2 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 09:14 AM | Reply

Take a victory lap, Republicans.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 09:15 AM | Reply

You keep wondering why there is still loyalty to Trump.........
#2 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Was your quote supposed to explain why?
???

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 09:16 AM | Reply

You keep wondering why there is still loyalty to Trump.........

#2 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Well yes. Given that it cuts against every moral belief and commitment they have made their entire lives and for generations preceding them.

The simplest explanation is that they never had such beliefs and commitments. They simply found it useful to mouth them. Now they find it useful to mouth something else.

We need to re-examine the cultural significance of zombies.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2022-08-17 09:31 AM | Reply

This election is an example why a voter in Wyoming would be a registered republican so they can vote in the election that matters.....this one. (assuming Wyoming has a closed primary...I don't know)

It doesn't mean one subscribes to everything or even most of the republican party platform. It just means they want to vote in the elections that are relevant. Not the irrelevant elections, such as the democratic primary in Wyoming for the House of Rep.

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 09:32 AM | Reply

"This election is an example why a voter in Wyoming would be a registered republican so they can vote in the election that matters"

And how did that work out for you... I mean them?

"(assuming Wyoming has a closed primary...I don't know)"

Alexa, does Wyoming have closed primaries?

Wyoming legislators on Tuesday failed to advance a bill barring so-called crossover voting in state primaries, a measure former President Trump backed as he pushes voters to oust one of his most vocal Republican critics, Rep. Liz Cheney (Wyo.).

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 09:38 AM | Reply

Maybe Wyoming is not the place for Liz. She has done nothing for her constituents other than circumvent their will and ignore their needs. Her inter party backstabbing is not going to do anything for her future reputation either. Maybe just join the view and be done with it.

#8 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2022-08-17 09:38 AM | Reply

"It doesn't mean one subscribes to everything or even most of the republican party platform."

If it doesn't mean that, then it doesn't mean anything.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 09:39 AM | Reply

"It just means they want to vote in the elections that are relevant."

And now that they've voted, and their candidate lost, by still being a Republican it means they support the winner.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 09:40 AM | Reply

-Maybe Wyoming is not the place for Liz.

Probably not...maybe not even the same party.

This is why there are few true "statesmen". You pay a price.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 09:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Probably not...maybe not even the same party."

Oh so Liz needs to leave the GOP.

But people who voted for her are still Republicans.

You've really done a number on yourself, living in Stockholm, Kansas for all those years!

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 09:42 AM | Reply

Maybe Wyoming is not the place for Liz.

#8 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

Maybe Wyoming is not a place for democracy. In fact, yesterday proves it.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2022-08-17 09:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

She (Cheney) has done nothing for her constituents other than circumvent their will

POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

And their will is what? To play vicious make-believe with the Man Who Would Be King? To play footsie with a civil in war they have convinced themselves that *they* won't be hurt in.

Wyoming is an empty state. Maybe we are seeing one reason why?

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2022-08-17 10:05 AM | Reply

-Maybe Wyoming is not a place for democracy. In fact, yesterday proves it.

Hageman won by 30 points?

And you're claiming it's not democracy?

Perhaps you should worry about yourself instead of whining here about Wyoming residents who didn't vote to make you happy.

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 10:10 AM | Reply

-Wyoming is an empty state. Maybe we are seeing one reason why?

No, you're not.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 10:11 AM | Reply

Maybe Wyoming is not the place for Liz. She has done nothing for her constituents other than circumvent their will and ignore their needs. Her inter party backstabbing is not going to do anything for her future reputation either. Maybe just join the view and be done with it.
#8 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

So you're saying Republicans like yourself are complete idiots hell bent on destroying the Constitution by supporting lying wanna-be dictators like Trump? Yeah, you're right, Liz Cheney doesn't represent Wyoming Republicans.

#17 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-08-17 10:12 AM | Reply

R.I.P., Republican Party.

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-08-17 10:20 AM | Reply

Perhaps you should worry about yourself instead of whining here about Wyoming residents who didn't vote to make you happy.

#15 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Fascists see elections differently from other people. In the fascist state they are attempting to bill, elections will still take place. With always just one basic outcome.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2022-08-17 10:28 AM | Reply

-Fascists see elections differently from other people.

So do morons

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 10:30 AM | Reply

No, you're not.

#16 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Why not? There's a reason Mississippi is the way it is. Almost everyone who could leave such a place is gone. Why not Wyoming, home of "clean coal everyone should use"?>

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2022-08-17 10:31 AM | Reply

-Yeah, you're right, Liz Cheney doesn't represent Wyoming Republicans.

you could have just said that.

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 10:31 AM | Reply

So do morons

#20 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Fascists see so many things differently from other people.

That's the reason they want to do something about "other people".

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2022-08-17 10:32 AM | Reply

Liz Cheney doesn't represent Wyoming Republicans.

#22 | POSTED BY EBERLY

What I'm talking about is what Wyoming Republican represent.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2022-08-17 10:33 AM | Reply

At some point she made a decision.

She chose loyalty to the Constitution over loyalty to a person, fmr Pres Trump.

The Republican Party punished her for that decision.

What does that say about the republican Party?

#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-17 10:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

24

Of course, Wyoming hurt you, Zed. They didn't make you happy.....they made you sad.

That makes them fascists and they don't care about America.

LOL....I never thought I'd see the day when a "Cheney" loses an election and Zed cries about it.

So, without knowing much about her opponent (hell, absolutely nothing really) you're convinced that everyone who voted for her is a fascist.

and that Hageman herself is a fascist.

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 10:39 AM | Reply

Hageman herself is a fascist.

#25 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2022-08

EBERLY is trying to be "fair".

It may have flames and generate heat, but he won't call it fire until he sticks his own hand into it.

#27 | Posted by Zed at 2022-08-17 10:44 AM | Reply

Hageman herself is a fascist.

#25 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT

Anyone who supports Trump and his lies are fascists.

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2022-08-17 10:45 AM | Reply

" and that Hageman herself is a fascist."

She recently claimed Joe Biden was the biggest human trafficker in history.

You Make The Call.

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-17 10:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

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#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 10:50 AM | Reply

Voting 93% with Trump apparently isn't representing Wyoming Republicans - even though that was 6.8 points higher than Gosar's voting for Trump agenda, and 15.2 points higher than Stefanik's voting record.
www.google.com

There was only ONE reason Cheney was rejected by Wyoming Republican voters. She did the RIGHT thing. And that, THAT is unforgivable.

#31 | Posted by YAV at 2022-08-17 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-She recently claimed Joe Biden was the biggest human trafficker in history.

lying about your opponent in a campaign is fascism?

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 11:04 AM | Reply

lying about your opponent in a campaign is fascism?

#31 | POSTED BY EBERLY

She's adopted the MAGA myths. Of course she's fascist.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2022-08-17 11:07 AM | Reply

Hardyhar

It wasn't that long ago this very same asshat was assuring everyone the republicans were only going to humor trumps antics for so long

Now he is asserting that no one should be surprised there is loyalty to trump

Convolute much?

What an arrogant know nothing dink

#34 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-08-17 11:16 AM | Reply

If you are a Jew, would you move to Wyoming? If you are Black? If you believe in objective truth?

No, you wouldn't. Why consciously invite Hell into your life?

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2022-08-17 11:18 AM | Reply

This is proof that the GOP is now run by the likes of MTG

This seems like bad news for the remainder of the GOP voters that are sane and coherent

Welp, enjoy

#36 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-08-17 11:27 AM | Reply

I'm so shocked.

one of the reddest districts in the House.

go figure in a primary the candidates race to the right and Cheney won't go that far to the right over her opposition to Trump.

I'm proud of her. She knowingly sacrificed herself (or she was done with the House and wanted to move on) with her actions. She knew her district wouldn't support her after that.

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 11:28 AM | Reply

-No, you wouldn't. Why consciously invite Hell into your life?

you could move to Texas instead.

Oh wait.......

#38 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 11:32 AM | Reply

"lying about your opponent in a campaign is fascism?"

She doesn't actually believe what she says. Instead, she's repeating the lying bleat of the fascists.

But I guess you've already made your call.

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-17 11:40 AM | Reply

She got elected there by a wide margin as I recall.

It was only when she picked her country over Trump that the rwingers dumped her.

I'd like to see....

Bernie/Cheney 2024!

A truly balanced ticket, lol.

#40 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-17 11:59 AM | Reply

" Maybe Wyoming is not a place for democracy. In fact, yesterday proves it.

#13 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2022-08-17 09:59 AM | FLAG: | "

She had her chance and lost by a big margin in a voting contest. That is the essence of Democracy.

#41 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-17 12:02 PM | Reply

"She had her chance and lost by a big margin in a voting contest."

...because Wyoming Republicans would rather be told a comforting lie than the actual truth.

At least have the intellectual honesty to finish the sentence.

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-17 12:04 PM | Reply

" '-Maybe Wyoming is not a place for democracy. In fact, yesterday proves it.'

Hageman won by 30 points?
And you're claiming it's not democracy?
Perhaps you should worry about yourself instead of whining here about Wyoming residents who didn't vote to make you happy.
#15 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2022-08-17 10:10 AM"

Once again, when dealing with small sample size, folks will resort to touting percentages rather than the actual numbers.

Here's some reality:

On yesterday's Primary Election Day, Wyoming had 287014 registered voters (215195 Republican; 36403 Democratic; 35416 Other/Unaffiliated).
- Hagerman got 113025 votes (65.7% of Republicans who voted)
- Cheney got 49316 votes (28.7% of Republicans who voted)
- Other got 9623 votes (5.6% of Republicans who voted)

So, statistically, Cheney got beaten by 27% of Republican voters, but it's also true she lost by less than 64K votes.
To put that in perspective, one would only have to sway 32K Republican voters away from Cheney to voting for Hagerman to accomplish this "landslide".

sos.wyo.gov

sos.wyo.gov

#43 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2022-08-17 12:05 PM | Reply

#39 - "Germany voted for Hitler! That makes Germany under Hitler a Democracy!"

#44 | Posted by YAV at 2022-08-17 12:05 PM | Reply

" She recently claimed Joe Biden was the biggest human trafficker in history.

You Make The Call.

#28 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2022-08-17 10:45 AM | FLAG: | "

Biden is not personally involved in human trafficking. His policies encourage, support and enable those who engage in this. Biggest in history? Difficult to measure especially when put into per capita terms. Nevertheless the border situation is a massive trafficking crisis and Biden has done pretty much all he could to foster it.

#45 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-17 12:06 PM | Reply

His policies encourage, support and enable those who engage in this.

Name Biden's policies that "encourage, support and enable those who engage in" sex trafficking.

You lying piece of shht.

You won't be able to. Because all you got are lies.

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-08-17 12:07 PM | Reply

" ..because Wyoming Republicans would rather be told a comforting lie than the actual truth.

At least have the intellectual honesty to finish the sentence.

#40 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2022-08-17 12:04 PM | FLAG: "

Oh. So now you are a mind reader. Nice. You should seek employment at a carnival with that talent.

#47 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-17 12:08 PM | Reply

She had her chance and lost by a big margin in a voting contest. That is the essence of Democracy.
#39 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

According to Boaz, our system of government is supposed to protect the rights of the minority from being trampled by the majority.
I'd like Boaz to explain to us what went wrong in Wyoming...

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Don't call JeffyBell a liar, though. Eberly will get so bent out of shape.

#49 | Posted by YAV at 2022-08-17 12:08 PM | Reply

Cheney is a turd. Stop making her into some sort of hero because she hates Trump. She voted with Trump's agenda 98% of the time.

Her loss is no loss. She loves war.

Like Daddy.

She hates the environment. She's not in favor of anything remotely life affirming.

Her replacement is just more loony.

#50 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-08-17 12:09 PM | Reply

Biden is not personally involved in human trafficking. His policies encourage, support and enable those who engage in this.
#43 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Which policies, and how do they differ from previous administration policies?

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 12:09 PM | Reply

"She voted with Trump's agenda 98% of the time."

Have you seen her opponent?

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 12:10 PM | Reply

72% of Hageman's supporters believe the 2020 election was stolen. That's what FoxProp and that lying POS T**** (the former guy) have given us.

#53 | Posted by YAV at 2022-08-17 12:12 PM | Reply

" Name Biden's policies that "encourage, support and enable those who engage in" sex trafficking."

His policies at the border - undoing remain in Mexico, massively increasing asylum quotas, suspending deportations, announcing during the campaign that the border will be essentially open, reinstating catch and release, persecuting border agents for doing their jobs ...

Should I go on?

#54 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-17 12:12 PM | Reply

"Oh. So now you are a mind reader."

No, just an astute observer.

Wyoming chose the person willing to lie for Donald Trump, over the person telling the truth about him.

That's my take; what's yours?

#55 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-17 12:14 PM | Reply

"undoing remain in Mexico"

So every President prior to Trump is equally guilty in encouraging human trafficking, is that a fair statement?
Let's try this: Show us your evidence that Remain in Mexico reduced human trafficking. Thanks in advance.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 12:14 PM | Reply

"(Biden's) policies encourage..."

Lying sacks ----- gotta lie.

#57 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-17 12:15 PM | Reply

"suspending deportations"

Which human traffickers had their deportations suspended? Also, wouldn't deporting them help them traffic the next wave of people in?

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 12:16 PM | Reply

"announcing during the campaign that the border will be essentially open"

So every President prior to Trump is equally guilty in encouraging human trafficking, is that a fair statement?

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 12:16 PM | Reply

"massively increasing asylum quotas"

Which traffickers were granted asylum?
Are you calling parents who bring their own kids human traffickers?

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 12:17 PM | Reply

"Biggest in history? Difficult to measure..."

Of course; if you don't know history. Or how to Google.
en.wikipedia.org

#61 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-17 12:17 PM | Reply

"persecuting border agents for doing their jobs"

Which border agents who stopped human trafficking were persecuted, and what does persecution even mean in your example?

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 12:18 PM | Reply

Bellringer regularly pulls crap out of his backside, like blaming Carter for Nixon's price controls.

Keep in mind, he's on record stating he thinks it's fine to lie, until and unless he deems he's in a "serious" conversation.

#63 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-17 12:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" ...
It doesn't mean one subscribes to everything or even most of the republican party platform. It just means they want to vote in the elections that are relevant. Not the irrelevant elections, such as the democratic primary in Wyoming for the House of Rep.
#6 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2022-08-17 09:32 AM"

While we're on the subject of not voting in irrelevant elections:

171964 Republicans voted in yesterday's Wyoming Primary Election out of 215195 (about 80% of registered Republican voters).
43231 registered Republican voters did not vote.

#64 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2022-08-17 12:21 PM | Reply

Danforth is butt hurt. NEVER EVER criticize a Democrat, a RINO or, most importantly, the measurable horrible outcomes of the policies of his beloved Democratic Party. When that happens he drops his stupid "Republican Math" schtick and launches into personal attacks.

It's pathetic but here we are.

#65 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-17 12:28 PM | Reply

" Keep in mind, he's on record stating he thinks it's fine to lie, until and unless he deems he's in a "serious" conversation.

#59 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2022-08-17 12:20 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

Talk about straw man!!!

#66 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-17 12:33 PM | Reply

BellyAche says Biden policies encourage sex trafficking.

Vomits up some Rightwing talking points. Zero citations.

Meanwhile Matt Gaetz, the well know sex trafficker, is still a Republican.

#67 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-08-17 12:35 PM | Reply

"the measurable horrible outcomes "

Easy when you get to define the measurements, isn't it?

"When that happens he drops his stupid "Republican Math" schtick"

I get it; you're embarrassed your relationship with numbers is on par to your relationship with definitions.

"It's pathetic but here we are."

What a riot: You get caught lying on a daily basis. But you're right: it's pathetic.

#68 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-17 12:36 PM | Reply

-Once again, when dealing with small sample size, folks will resort to touting percentages rather than the actual numbers.

It's a single congressional district.

What's small about it?

#69 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 12:37 PM | Reply

Jeffjbelberly is right
Wyoming republicans voted on their principles

And that principle is; there is no room in the GOP for personal convictions that stray from the "conservative" ideology of the day

How this is being interpreted as a good thing by some is still a mystery.

"Liberals" I think could care less, this just reaffirms what they already believe
Others however will see this as a barometer, and those people don't exactly fall into the "liberal" bucket. The Cheneys never had resonance with "liberals", they do however carry weight with old school conservatives.
Another bridge burned

Hahaha

#70 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-08-17 12:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

'Talk about straw man!!!'

Again...You clearly don't know what a STRAWMAN is.

Also...you ADMITTED your penchant for lying. Don't you remember, or are you lying about that as well?

#71 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-17 12:38 PM | Reply

43231 registered Republican voters did not vote.

"Well, they're still goddam fascists!!"

-Zed

#72 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 12:38 PM | Reply

"His policies at the border - undoing remain in Mexico, massively increasing asylum quotas, suspending deportations, announcing during the campaign that the border will be essentially open, reinstating catch and release, persecuting border agents for doing their jobs ...
Should I go on?
#50 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2022-08-17 12:12 PM"

Those are serious accusations.

- "undoing remain in Mexico": Please provide a link.
- "massively increasing asylum quotas": Please define what you mean by "massively increasing" and a link.
- "suspending deportations": Please provide a link.
- "announcing during the campaign that the border will be essentially open": Please define what you mean by "essentially" and a link.
- "reinstating catch and release": Please provide a link.
- "persecuting border agents for doing their job": Please define what you mean by "persecuting" and a link.

Also, please don't "go on" if you're only going to provide more unsubstantiated, vague words.

#73 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2022-08-17 12:39 PM | Reply

This vote was Republicans declaring that they either are ignorant enough to believe Trump's Big Lie, or they just don't care that their guy is a lying sack of ----.

Either way, it's an incredibly obtuse way to pretend to be concerned about one's country.

#74 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-17 12:42 PM | Reply

" '-Once again, when dealing with small sample size, folks will resort to touting percentages rather than the actual numbers.'

It's a single congressional district.
What's small about it?
#65 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2022-08-17 12:37 PM"

What's small, as noted, is the sample size. It's not referring to the geographic boundaries.
Doing statistics on small sample sizes is inherently prone to erroneous conclusions.

#75 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2022-08-17 12:44 PM | Reply

-Either way, it's an incredibly obtuse way to pretend to be concerned about one's country.

Who said people vote based on what's best for their country? At least when they're voting for their congressman/woman?

People vote based what they think is best for themselves

#76 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 12:47 PM | Reply

71

What erroneous conclusions?

#77 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 12:48 PM | Reply

@#3 ... Cheney is a turd. Stop making her into some sort of hero because she hates Trump. She voted with Trump's agenda 98% of the time. ...

Constitution above politics.

Apparently your comments have trouble with that distinction.


#78 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-17 12:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Actually the GOP did not punish Liz, rather, it was the constituents of her state that she was supposed to be representing - and was not.

#79 | Posted by MSgt at 2022-08-17 12:52 PM | Reply

- Who said people vote based on what's best for their country?

No one said rwingers do that.

- People vote based what they think is best for themselves

Shortsightedness is yet another facet of rwing "thinking".

#80 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-17 12:55 PM | Reply

People vote based what they think is best for themselves

#72 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Which, in Wyoming, includes hating one's country.

#81 | Posted by Zed at 2022-08-17 12:59 PM | Reply

#69. I am not going to jump through your stupid hoops. Had I cited anything that isn't already a mouse tap away and isn't already public knowledge - for sure, links are warranted. If you need links for every one of those bullet points you are profoundly ignorant and it's not my job to bring you up to speed. Example - ending Remain in Mexico has been circulating through the courts ever since Biden ended it in the earliest days of his presidency.

#82 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-17 01:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

" People vote based what they think is best for themselves

#72 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Which, in Wyoming, includes hating one's country.

#75 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2022-08-17 12:59 PM | FLAG: "

I never thought I'd see the day I'd see a hard core lefty lionize a neocon who used to be accused of being a Nazi and guilty of war crimes. PNAC - HALIBURTON!!

#83 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-17 01:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#6 ... it was the constituents of her state that she was supposed to be representing - and was not. ...

I mostly agree, but with an additional observation.

Yes it was the [GOP] constituents of her state that may have been pushed to punish her by the GOP leadership in Washington DC and elsewhere.

Her constituents had decided to stay in the Cult of trump instead of voting for the Constitution.

#84 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-17 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

# 7. The voters in her state acted on their own free will. Why do you hate Democracy?

#85 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-17 01:17 PM | Reply

"People vote based what they think is best for themselves"
#72 | POSTED BY EBERLY
"Which, in Wyoming, includes hating one's country."
#75 | POSTED BY ZED

Many of them think they are doing what's best for the country, because they've been duped by the con man. Others are disaffected people, who want to burn the system down and hope whatever replaces it is better. Just like most people who support "revolutions".

#86 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-08-17 01:27 PM | Reply

@#7 ... The voters in her state acted on their own free will. ...

I did not say otherwise.

What I did imply was --- What outside influences affected their decision process? The GOP leadership in Washington DC or elsewhere?

Do try harder.




#87 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-08-17 01:27 PM | Reply

The voters in her state acted on their own free will.

With the increase in number of people reporting harassment and stalking by Trumping conservatives, I doubt people went in to vote of their own free will.

Conservative domestic terrorists have made it clear, they will respond violently to anyone not complying with the decrees of the cult.

You conservatives are no better than your Saudi counterparts.

#88 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-08-17 01:31 PM | Reply

She didn't do what her constituents wanted so she lost her job. Was it noble self sacrifice? Maybe. She is now known nationally. She'll make some $$.

#89 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-08-17 02:22 PM | Reply

LOL

No, Liz.

You're a ------- globalist traitor.

Go lose some weight and find a hobby.

#90 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-08-17 02:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If she can't win the Repube nomination. I hope she runs third party, to split the conservative vote.

#91 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2022-08-17 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

RE: #76 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2022-08-17 01:02 PM

You know the drill: Your claim; your onus to back it up.

#92 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2022-08-17 02:44 PM | Reply

Giving up her job to do the right?

Hell I'd vote for that.

#93 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-08-17 02:51 PM | Reply

Maokey Pox is so riled up he deep-throated his AR-15.

#94 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-08-17 02:52 PM | Reply

Doing the right thing at the risk of losing your job?

Hell, I'd vote for that.

#95 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-08-17 02:59 PM | Reply

"71
What erroneous conclusions?
#73 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2022-08-17 12:48 PM"

"Hageman won by 30 points"

"a rout that reinforced his grip on the party's base"

#96 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2022-08-17 03:00 PM | Reply

82

and what makes it small is that so many registered republicans stayed home?

#97 | Posted by eberly at 2022-08-17 03:01 PM | Reply

Liberal Redneck - Liz Cheney and the New GOP

www.youtube.com

FUNNY: 1

It is that. Trumpy himself is a globalist demi-god corporation.

He never saw a globalist corp he didn't give a tax break to, nor a billionaire he didn't do the same for.

#98 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-17 03:38 PM | Reply

... and Liz Cheney was able to vote with Trump's globalist agenda 90 something percent of the time.

He was a rubberstamp for the neo-cons; his story about not being so was just another lie like the Big Lie about winning the election.

He's managed to fool 35 percent of the people all of the time, beating the odds in the old saying.

#99 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-17 04:02 PM | Reply

"Remain in Mexico"

^
Still waiting for evidence this policy had any impact at all on human trafficking.

It's just a mouse click away, right?

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 05:58 PM | Reply

" You know the drill: Your claim; your onus to back it up.

#92 | POSTED BY TRUEBLUE AT 2022-08-17 02:44 PM | REPLY"

Up to a point. All of those bullet points you requested links for are both fairly well known and are fairly recent events.

"We are experiencing the highest rate of inflation in four decades."

That is a statement that is well known and I'm not going to provide a link to back up such an obvious statement.

#101 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-17 06:03 PM | Reply

#100 it contributed to a reduction in the flow of illegal immigration. The volume of illegal immigration is proportional to the volume of trafficking.

#102 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-17 06:06 PM | Reply

BellyAche is repeating Rightwing media's xenophobic fearmongering.

You can't support Matt Gaetz remaining in Congress and pretend sex trafficking bothers you.

I mean, sanctimonious hypocrites like BellyAche will.

Also. He doesn't need to provide citation for any of his bogus assertions. Everything he says is "well known." If you listen to Rightwing, talk hate radio.

#103 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-08-17 06:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're a ------- globalist traitor.

Go lose some weight and find a hobby.

#90 | Posted by Mao_Content

She's a traitor to your fascist cult. Not to the country. YOu're the traitors to the country.

And she's in better shape than the spray tanned slab of fat that you worship every day.

#104 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-17 06:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

it contributed to a reduction in the flow of illegal immigration.

How? If people were crossing illegally, why would a law prevent them from doing so?

That's like saying gun free zones prevent guns. Or that keeping transgender people out of locker rooms prevents women from getting raped.

The mental gymnastics you go through to maintain your deluded worldviews seem exhausting.

#105 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-08-17 06:13 PM | Reply

# 7. The voters in her state acted on their own free will. Why do you hate Democracy?

#85 | Posted by BellRinger

The voters in her state voted her out because THEY hate democracy and she was defending it.

#106 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-17 06:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"it contributed to a reduction in the flow of illegal immigration."

What was its contribution?

The claim was it reduced human trafficking.
That claim has yet to be substantiated.
(And we don't think it ever will be.)

"The volume of illegal immigration is proportional to the volume of trafficking."

Says who?

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 06:46 PM | Reply

#100 it contributed to a reduction in the flow of illegal immigration. The volume of illegal immigration is proportional to the volume of trafficking.
#102 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

This is incorrect. It increased the proportion of those trafficked. Those awaiting asylum are vulnerable to being trafficked.

Only solution is to allow everyone in at a PoE give them an ID and work authorization, no crimes after X years give them citizenship.

Snoofy and Bellringer are arguing distinctions without differences, on the margins. Just look at Snoofy's reply. Arguing without data.
thehill.com

We want nations without borders its the only way.

#OpenBorders

#108 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-17 07:11 PM | Reply

The voters in her state voted her out because THEY hate democracy and she was defending it.
#106 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Ridiculous, people that hate democracy, logically don't vote.

#109 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-17 07:12 PM | Reply

Ridiculous, people that hate democracy, logically don't vote.

#109 | Posted by oneironaut

They need to vote the people into power who will destroy democracy for them, which is what your cult is currently doing.

#110 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-17 07:15 PM | Reply

We want nations without borders its the only way.

#OpenBorders

#108 | Posted by oneironaut

How you have to pose as an insane democrat to make democrats look insane, but democrats never have to pose as insane republicans to make republicans look insane?

#111 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-17 07:16 PM | Reply

Trump's insurrection proved how bad for businesses he is.

Large or small none of them would survive a second trump presidency.

#112 | Posted by Tor at 2022-08-17 07:23 PM | Reply

Ridiculous, people that hate democracy, logically don't vote.
#109 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Imagine believing humans are rational actors!
Everyone should fall in love at least once.

#113 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 07:31 PM | Reply

From the link thehill.com

"It is undeniable that programs like Remain in Mexico enable trafficking."

LOL

#114 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 07:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Imagine believing humans are rational actors!
Everyone should fall in love at least once.
#113 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

They are you just don't understand their rational.
Even love has rational.

But if people hate something they don't in the aggregate do it.


LOL
#114 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

See how miss informed you are?

#OpenBorders.

#115 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-17 07:37 PM | Reply

I hope she runs as a libertarian and splits the Republican vote.

#116 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-08-17 07:37 PM | Reply


How you have to pose as an insane democrat to make democrats look insane, but democrats never have to pose as insane republicans to make republicans look insane?

#111 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Is that an argument? Against what I am proposing? Or do you have any solution? Or is 45people baking in a tractor trailer just part of doign business?

The only insane one is you, hell just look at this thread. You are ------- out of your mind.

#117 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-17 07:39 PM | Reply

" The voters in her state voted her out because THEY hate democracy and she was defending it.

#106 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2022-08-17 06:14 PM | FLAG: |"

The voters in her state preferred her primary challenger by a wide margin. You are not a mind reader and certainly would never condescend to talk to some Arizona voters and get their thoughts. Democracy prevailed at the ballot box. Deal with it.

#118 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-17 07:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The voters in her state preferred her primary challenger by a wide margin. You are not a mind reader and certainly would never condescend to talk to some Arizona voters and get their thoughts. Democracy prevailed at the ballot box. Deal with it.

#118 | Posted by BellRinger

Do you need to be a mind reader to see that everyone who thought the election was stolen voted against cheney? And they were a large majority? Or do you just need 2 working brain cells?

Voters preferred her challenger because she will help them end democracy and install fascism, which is what they want.

Democracy did not prevail. Democracy was USED to elect people to destroy democracy.

Why do so many people in your party think the election was stolen without seeing any evidence to support such a massive claim?

#119 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-17 07:50 PM | Reply


Deal with it.
#118 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

It's obvious he has hasn't dealt with his mental issues in quite sometime.

#120 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-17 07:50 PM | Reply

#119

Nothing but ad hominem attack against voters. Do you have anything useful to say? Any insight on anything?

Please at least Snoofy can articulate a question with some validity. Are you really unable to think beyond the mouthbreather thought of "cult"?

#121 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-08-17 07:53 PM | Reply

Is that an argument? Against what I am proposing? Or do you have any solution? Or is 45people baking in a tractor trailer just part of doign business?

The only insane one is you, hell just look at this thread. You are ------- out of your mind.

#117 | Posted by oneironaut

No one on the left seriously wants open borders. Its a right wing lie to scare morons into voting against democrats. Since its a lie, you have to pose as an open borders democrat to support your lie. Even though everyone's seen you parrot trump talking points on every other topic, so we know you're not actually a liberal.

Youre a trumper who's so stupid you think you can claim to be a liberal on ONE TOPIC to make liberals look insane, and everyone will just forget that you post like a trumper on every other topic.

#122 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-17 07:53 PM | Reply

Nothing but ad hominem attack against voters. Do you have anything useful to say? Any insight on anything?

Please at least Snoofy can articulate a question with some validity. Are you really unable to think beyond the mouthbreather thought of "cult"?

#121 | Posted by oneironaut

Oh so now you're in support of voting out those who defend democracy from trumpism? I thought you were pretending to be a compassionate open borders liberal on this thread?

#123 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-17 07:54 PM | Reply

#122. If Democrats did want fairly open borders what would they be doing differently from what Biden has been doing?

#124 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-17 08:04 PM | Reply

Winning a Demoraticallly run election equals the end of Democracy. - Speaksoftly

Seriously. Can't make this up. Orwell would be proud.

#125 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-17 08:07 PM | Reply

Winning a Demoraticallly run election equals the end of Democracy. - Speaksoftly

Seriously. Can't make this up. Orwell would be proud.

#125 | Posted by BellRinger

Electing a party that wants to overturn any election they lose is the end of democracy idiot.

Orwell was warning about what YOUR party has become.

#126 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-17 08:14 PM | Reply

#122. If Democrats did want fairly open borders what would they be doing differently from what Biden has been doing?

#124 | Posted by BellRinger

Biden's not opening the borders moron. That's just what they tell you on your fascist propaganda channels so that you'll stay terrified of immigrants and keep voting fascists into power.

#127 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-17 08:15 PM | Reply

Winning a Demoraticallly run election equals the end of Democracy. - Speaksoftly
Seriously. Can't make this up. Orwell would be proud.

#125 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You are aware the Hitler rose to power in Weimar Germany through democracy, right?

You are truly a mountain of ignorance.

#128 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-17 08:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democracy prevailed at the ballot box. Deal with it.

But did it?

More than half the people who voted for Cheney's opponent feel Joe Biden isn't the legit president. Translation: they believe the election was stolen. Now, they are entitled to believe anything they want. But we known that premise to be entirely false.

And we know for a fact if she backed Trump, she would have coasted to re-election.

And it's a shame that Cheney - who voted with Trump a large percentage of the time and was a top fundraiser for him - is now on the outs because she put the Constitution ahead of Trump and what he tried to pull off - which is EXACTLY the right thing to do. No one rises above the Constitution.

But, Trump appears to have in WY. It's a sad situation.

The WJS just put out an editorial about the GOP not having a spot for Cheney. It's suggested reading.

#129 | Posted by brass30 at 2022-08-17 08:35 PM | Reply

Seriously. Can't make this up. Orwell would be proud.

#125 | Posted by BellRinger

That's why I said on the day trump told the world that his puny inauguration crowd was the biggest in history. He told you to ignore your eyes and ears from day one and you obeyed.

#130 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-17 08:37 PM | Reply

The WJS just put out an editorial about the GOP not having a spot for Cheney. It's suggested reading.

#129 | Posted by brass30

The GOP doesn't have a spot for anyone not willing to support the fascist overthrow of democracy. They are a fascist cult, full stop.

#131 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-17 08:38 PM | Reply

Wait a second Trump supporters think democrats control all the vote counting so why did they vote at all?

#132 | Posted by Tor at 2022-08-17 08:47 PM | Reply

Do it, run Liz run...
brilliant, syphon votes away
from either Trump or Desantis,
as a 3rd Party candidate...

But ONLY run as a 3rd Party candidate...

#133 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-08-17 09:12 PM | Reply

Hell no I want Cheney to have a chance to debate trump in the primaries and call him a no talent -------- supported by inbred anarchists.

I want her to insult the thug until he punches her.

#134 | Posted by Tor at 2022-08-17 09:19 PM | Reply

"More than half the people who voted for Cheney's opponent feel Joe Biden isn't the legit president."

^
This will never be addressed head on by any of the Republicans here.
Like, why they think that, how they got there, and what can be done about it.
Republicans simply don't talk about it.

They're like the cops who stood there and watched George Floyd get Mordred.

#135 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-17 09:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"More than half the people who voted for Cheney's opponent feel Joe Biden isn't the legit president."

Because it's the truth, or because they've been lied to?

#136 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-17 09:29 PM | Reply

72% of those voting against Liz Cheney believe the 2020 election was stolen.

You are aware the Hitler rose to power in Weimar Germany through democracy, right?
^^^
THIS

One of the important lessons Americans learned from Donald Trump's election in 2016"and one still difficult for some of us to process almost four years later is just how many of our fellow citizens are predisposed to authoritarianism.

What I found is that approximately 18 percent of Americans are highly disposed to authoritarianism, according to their answers to four simple survey questions used by social scientists to estimate this disposition. A further 23 percent or so are just one step below them on the authoritarian scale. This roughly 40 percent of Americans tend to favor authority, obedience and uniformity over freedom, independence and diversity.

www.politico.com

It's critical that the majority, those that truly value real freedom understand what we're up against and how to speak to it.

#137 | Posted by YAV at 2022-08-17 09:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" No, Liz. You're a ------- globalist traitor."

For telling the truth.

Feel free to show where Liz lied, or where the guy you worship told the truth.

#138 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-17 09:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You have to question the intelligence of non trumper republicans who can't see what their party has become.

It's a fascist insurrection against the united states via electoral system and government.

2020 showed their intent. Now they're putting the parts in place to execute it.

They're done with the old america. They are making the same mental decisions did that the nazis did in WW2. "I want my country back how it was when I was young. Everything is the fault of immigrants/gays/jews/etc. Law and order needs to be fierce but never directed at us. Here is a leader who says all of my hateful thoughts out loud and praises me for them. Tells me I'm the victim and I deserve vengeance. I'll serve him even if it means I have to become a monster."

It's completely cliche to compare anything to hitler and nazis, but is there a more fitting parallel than what trump is doing with the republicans?

#139 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-17 11:10 PM | Reply

She may overestimate just how much Democrats like her. Her record is far from great, despite this stand up moment, and her family name still carries bunches of bad baggage.

#140 | Posted by morris at 2022-08-17 11:37 PM | Reply

#121

Are you really unable to think beyond the mouthbreather thought of "cult"?

No. Speaks is a one trick pony. He's in the depths of his own mental cult. Psychotherapy might help. He won't take it, he'll remain obsessed.

#141 | Posted by willowby at 2022-08-18 12:55 AM | Reply

"Speaks is a one trick pony."

D'you think he has Joementia?

#142 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 01:13 AM | Reply

"72% of those voting against Liz Cheney believe the 2020 election was stolen."

Do they, though? I mean, really? Or are they just echoing the narrative put forth from their idol?

Trump could skin and eat puppies and many of his supporters would defend it. Even support it.

Trump is a reality TV star...and he's played that role exceedingly well. Especially as president.

#143 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-18 01:31 AM | Reply

"And it's a shame that Cheney - who voted with Trump a large percentage of the time and was a top fundraiser for him..."

Cheney is actually one of the most conservative members of congress. Trump supporters aren't really conservatives...they're Trumpers.

If Trump adopted the Bernie Sanders platform in full, Trumpers would support all of it. And in truth, many on the left would still hate Trump even if he were to do that.

#144 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-18 01:33 AM | Reply

"Cheney is actually one of the most conservative members of congress. Trump supporters aren't really conservatives...they're Trumpers."

Excellent point. There are numerous groups conservatives honored, but Trumpers don't, including the FBI, the IRS, and the Capitol Police.

#145 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 01:37 AM | Reply

"Do they, though? I mean, really? Or are they just echoing the narrative put forth from their idol?"

Distinction without a difference, when it comes to the vote count.

#146 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 01:39 AM | Reply

#127 math says otherwise the numbers say otherwise

#147 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 02:05 AM | Reply

"math says otherwise"

No, math doesn't.

You said "Open". You know, like "unfettered". Math says otherwise.

Why are you lying, again?

#148 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 02:07 AM | Reply

I am not lying, idiot.

The numbers tell the tale. We are setting or nearly matching record numbers that go back multiple decades and it's a sharp change from where numbers were in 2019 and 2020. I've cited the policy changes implemented by Biden and the results were predicted before he was sworn in and those results are being realized.

#149 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 02:31 AM | Reply

"The numbers tell the tale."

Not the tale of "Open", liar.

Why can't you make a single GD post where you don't lie???

#150 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 02:33 AM | Reply

"You are aware the Hitler rose to power in Weimar Germany through democracy, right?"

Any time on invokes a Hitler comparison they've already lost the argument.

#151 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 02:33 AM | Reply

" I've cited the policy changes implemented by Biden and the results were predicted before he was sworn in and those results are being realized."

BFD. Nothing equals "open" or "unfettered".

Why do you keep lying?

#152 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 02:34 AM | Reply

"Not the tale of "Open", liar."

Go back and read my post. Nevermind. I'll save your lazy ass the effort:

"#122. If Democrats did want fairly open borders what would they be doing differently from what Biden has been doing?

#124 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2022-08-17 08:04 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

First off, I used "fairly open". Secondly, it was a question, not a statement.

Lastly, if you want to get pedantic (as you always do) I'd be more than happy to define what I mean by "fairly open border". Further, we can analyze the pre and post Biden numbers and then YOU can define the dramatic change.

#153 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 02:36 AM | Reply

You can't defend the actions so instead you deflect to the verbiage being used.

I'm guessing you 100% support what is going on at the southern border with the exception that we aren't experiencing enough illegal immigration.

#154 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 02:38 AM | Reply

"we can analyze the pre and post Biden numbers and then YOU can define the dramatic change."

Fine. But it's not "open", or "unfettered", as you've lied about again and again and again.

Hyperbole is one thing; out-and-out lying is another. You tend, too often, to the latter.

#155 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 02:43 AM | Reply

One last thing: we both know Trump wanted to hurt folks who crossed the border. The current guy would prefer to help, when he can.

To me...that's a difference.

#156 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 02:46 AM | Reply

"Open" IS hyperbole.

"Trump wanted to hurt folks who crossed the border. The current guy would prefer to help, when he can.
To me...that's a difference.

#156 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2022-08-18 02:46 AM |"

Ramping up detention facilities to 700% capacity isn't "helping".

Flooding border towns with illegal migrants WAY beyond their capacity isn't "helping".

Illegal immigration is accompanied by human, sex and drug trafficking. Dramatically increasing the number of illegal migrants comes with a significant increase in trafficking - that isn't "helping", it makes a humanitarian crisis worse.

#157 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 02:55 AM | Reply

"I'm guessing you 100% support what is going on at the southern border with the exception that we aren't experiencing enough illegal immigration."

Why be stupid? Both parties have been caught between rhetoric and reality, so whoever is in power gets all the blame. Still, if you boil it down...a greater rush at the border during a Democratic Presidency means even MORE people believe in the idea of America, right? I mean...if you want to use Actual Math.

And BTW...

...we AREN'T experiencing enough immigration. The SS equation doesn't work without an increase in folks not born here. Do you hope to ever collect?

#158 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 02:55 AM | Reply

#157

You're absolutely right, those are the aspects of increased belief in America. And it sucks that it strains the current resources. But wishing it away doesn't help. What's YOUR answer? What would you change, specifically?

#159 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 03:00 AM | Reply

"What would you change, specifically?"

I hate to say this but I'd start with a reinstatement of Trump's border policies. They were effective.

So, bring back "remain in Mexico". Reduce the asylum quota (this aspect of our policy is what is being exploited). Expand the wall - effectiveness is far from perfect but it does have some limited deterrence. END catch and release. Stronger enforcement against employers who knowingly utilize illegal workers. Reduce access to public benefits paid for by taxpayers for those who are here illegally.

On the other side - let's look at our current immigration policies - perhaps they are a bit too draconian and need to be loosened.

#160 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 03:08 AM | Reply

"The SS equation doesn't work without an increase in folks not born here. Do you hope to ever collect?

#158 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2022-08-18 02:55 AM"

The SS equation is helped when the boomers die off en masse (I don't advocate a mass extinction event for the boomers). It's a huge population bulge and when the numbers thin the equation will improve. But yes, it's a system that is essentially a pyramid type scheme that requires modest population growth.

I'm all for LEGAL immigration. Illegal immigration is atrocious on so many fronts. I've laid out some already. But it's also insulting to the notion of lawfulness and is absolutely a slap in the face to anyone who has come here legally.

#161 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 03:13 AM | Reply

"I'd start with a reinstatement of Trump's border policies. They were effective."

They were cruel. Gee...look at how we draw different lines.

"Expand the wall"

Oh, let's just burn money instead!

"Stronger enforcement against employers who knowingly utilize illegal workers"

Stronger?!? Don't you mean ANY??? (More later.)

"Reduce access to public benefits paid for by taxpayers for those who are here illegally."

NO. I am NOT going to sacrifice greater public health for vindictiveness. You'd deny vaccines and basic shots. It's BEYOND stupid.

But let's get to the real issue, shall we? Republican Chambers of Commerce, um, influencing Republican Sheriffs, to skip raids of known employers. THAT IS, AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CENTRAL ISSUE. No jobs, no crossings. Until the local Republican Sheriffs start enforcing the law, against the will of the Republican Chamber of Commerce, everything you've complained about is moot. EVERYTHING.

#162 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 03:19 AM | Reply

Serious question - you obviously take umbrage with the term "open borders". What term or definition would you recommend to describe Biden's border policies and enforcement especially contrasting it with Trump's?

#163 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 03:20 AM | Reply

"You'd deny vaccines and basic shots. It's BEYOND stupid."

I am not talking about that. I am talking about access to public education and other public benefits.

#164 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 03:21 AM | Reply

#162 So, it's 100% a GOP created problem?

#165 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 03:22 AM | Reply

"(Social Security is) a system that is essentially a pyramid type scheme "

NO IT IS NOT.

You clearly don't know the definition of a pyramid scheme. SS is an EQUILIBRIUM EQUATION. With certain amounts in, and certain amounts out, it balances. After Reagan jacked up the rates, the SS Trust fund started collecting more than it dispersed, which continued for years, but was set to go underwater around 2010. It's been under ever since, but if rates were raised one point on both the worker and the employer sides, THE EQUATION would be in equilibrium "into perpetuity", which in actuarial terms means 75 years.

Anyone who claims SS is a pyramid scheme (or Ponzi scheme) doesn't know WTF they're talking about.

#166 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 03:27 AM | Reply

"So, it's 100% a GOP created problem?"

Are the Sheriffs in your state where the illegals work, Republicans? Do you believe the Chamber of Commerce is made up predominantly by Republicans?

#167 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 03:29 AM | Reply

Serious question - you obviously take umbrage with the term "open borders"

Serious question: It's a lie; why don't YOU take umbrage?

#168 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 03:31 AM | Reply

"What term or definition would you recommend to describe Biden's border policies and enforcement especially contrasting it with Trump's?"

Humane.

As your prior incarnation might remember, I never busted Dubya for border issues. Or Obama, for that matter; I always believed we're doing the best we can.

Trump, though, was purposely cruel.

#169 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 03:34 AM | Reply

"Anyone who claims SS is a pyramid scheme (or Ponzi scheme) doesn't know WTF they're talking about.

#166 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2022-08-18 03:27 AM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)"

A pyramid scheme requires current recipients to be funded by current contributors. It only works because participation in the program is mandatory at the point of a gun. it IS a pyramid scheme structure. I don't use the term "Ponzi" because it doesn't apply here. It's not criminal and it's funding and payment structure is transparent.

#170 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 03:39 AM | Reply

"Are the Sheriffs in your state where the illegals work, Republicans? Do you believe the Chamber of Commerce is made up predominantly by Republicans?

#167 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2022-08-18 03:29 AM | REPLY"

Hmmm.... So, The GOP under Trump instituted policies that resulted in a measurable reduction in the numbers of illegal aliens and that was....cruel. Biden undoes those policies and the numbers predictably skyrocket and it is 100% the fault of...Republican sheriffs and Republican controlled Chamber of Commerce?

You need some serious clarification because what I'm reading is that no matter what actions taken by Democrats and no matter what actions taken by Republicans ALL of our country's problems are 100% the fault of the GOP.

#171 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 03:43 AM | Reply

"Serious question - you obviously take umbrage with the term "open borders"
Serious question: It's a lie; why don't YOU take umbrage?

#168 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2022-08-18 03:31 AM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)'

Because I am used to over-the-top rhetoric and hyperbole. "Fascists!" "Hitler!" "Nazis!" I've never seen you utter a peep against any of that far more over the top characterizations.

#172 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 03:45 AM | Reply

""What term or definition would you recommend to describe Biden's border policies and enforcement especially contrasting it with Trump's?"

Humane."

Humane? Please tell me you are joking.

#173 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 03:46 AM | Reply

from Balldinger above...

"Ramping up detention facilities to 700% capacity isn't "helping".
Flooding border towns with illegal migrants WAY beyond their capacity isn't "helping"."

this is your brain on OANed and Faux News where all statistics
are outrageous, and not one of them verified by a reliable source...

www.youtube.com

#174 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-08-18 07:33 AM | Reply

"(Social Security is) a system that is essentially a pyramid type scheme "

One of JeffJ's favorite tropes that was always wrong and no matter how many times it was proved it was wrong, he wouldn't let it go.

#175 | Posted by YAV at 2022-08-18 08:09 AM | Reply

...and not one of them verified by a reliable source...

The problem is right-wingers flood with nonstop lies. The truth is not a single thing any of them say should ever be believed. Not a thing. No premise accepted.

#176 | Posted by YAV at 2022-08-18 08:11 AM | Reply

" One of JeffJ's favorite tropes that was always wrong and no matter how many times it was proved it was wrong, he wouldn't let it go.

#175 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2022-08-18 08:09 AM | FLAG: "

The earliest recipients paid nothing in. Current recipients are NOT drawing from money they contributed through FICA. That money already went to prior recipients. Current recipients are receiving benefits funded by current contributors. If the program was to be terminated the last contributors would have paid in for decades and would receive nothing. It's a pyramid scheme in every sense. It works because participation is compulsory.

It's a good program. The structure is simple and the administration of it is surprisingly efficient. It has been successful and has done what it was designed to do.

Pointing out that it's a pyramid scheme doesn't detract from the success of the program. It's simple honesty.

#177 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 09:40 AM | Reply

{yawn}

#178 | Posted by YAV at 2022-08-18 09:49 AM | Reply

" It's a pyramid scheme in every sense. "

What you described IS NOT, repeat, IS NOT A PYRAMID SCHEME.

We'll just add the to the list of words for which you don't know the meaning: groomer, strawman, and now pyramid scheme.

Look up the definition and structure of pyramid schemes. Educate yourself.

#179 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 10:41 AM | Reply

" I've never seen you utter a peep against any of that far more over the top characterizations."

If the shoe fits ... .

What would YOUR term be for folks who lie about the results of a free and fair election, and are willing to attempt an overthrow of democracy?

Frankly, fascist is kind.

#180 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 10:46 AM | Reply

It's not a pyramid scheme because participation is compulsory.

Its structure is classic pyramid scheme for the very reasons I laid out.

It's not even a criticism. It's a very successful program. It's simply a statement of fact.

#181 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 10:59 AM | Reply

" What would YOUR term be for folks who lie about the results of a free and fair election, and are willing to attempt an overthrow of democracy? "

I don't know. Maybe I should consult Stacy Abrahams. As you surely know she had the election stolen from her.

#182 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 11:01 AM | Reply

Oh my god.
It just doesn't get better.
The idiocy just won't stop.

#183 | Posted by YAV at 2022-08-18 11:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

# 183. What happens to SS if participation is made optional?

It collapses. Because it's structured as a pyramid scheme.

#184 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 11:06 AM | Reply

Danforth said it himself - the program requires population growth. Why? Because it's not self funded. It robs Peter to pay Paul. In perpetuity. It only works because it's enforced at the point of a gun.

It works very well, BTW.

#185 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 11:09 AM | Reply

*headdesk*

#186 | Posted by YAV at 2022-08-18 11:10 AM | Reply

Hopefully you don't have a concussion. Being confronted with the truth can be very traumatizing.

#187 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 11:14 AM | Reply

I'll let you know - WHEN you ever actually state something truthful.

#188 | Posted by YAV at 2022-08-18 11:21 AM | Reply

" Its structure is classic pyramid scheme for the very reasons I laid out. "

Based on what you laid out, you don't understand the structure of a classic pyramid scheme.

Again, educate yourself. You're digging deeper and deeper.

#189 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 11:29 AM | Reply

Being confronted with the truth can be very traumatizing.

#187 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Gee thanks. My irony meter just exploded.

#190 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-08-18 11:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

" As you surely know she had the election stolen from her. "

Remind me of the part where she violently tried to overthrow the results, aided and abetted by Dem insiders.

I'll wait.

#191 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 11:30 AM | Reply

"(Social Security) only works because it's enforced at the point of a gun. "

Mitt Romney on line #1, laughing his --- off.

#192 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 11:32 AM | Reply

"It robs Peter to pay Paul. In perpetuity."

Not at all, because Paul dies. Later, Peter dies.

#193 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-18 11:51 AM | Reply

" Remind me of the part where she violently tried to overthrow the results, aided and abetted by Dem insiders."

On that front she was a bad example. I should have gone with your man crush Hillary Clinton.

#194 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 11:52 AM | Reply

#192. Is being ridiculously dishonest a requirement to bring a member of your left-wing sycophant club?

#195 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-08-18 11:53 AM | Reply

"# 183. What happens to SS if participation is made optional?"

The paying in participation, or the paying out participation?

#196 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-08-18 11:54 AM | Reply

Flint Water Jeff would've joined the ------------ cop killers on 1-6 if he wasn't a pathetic shut-in.

#197 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2022-08-18 11:56 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

" Is being ridiculously dishonest a requirement "

You clearly don't know how Mitt made his money. Quick quiz: what's the payroll tax rate on carried interest?

#198 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 12:02 PM | Reply

" What happens to SS if participation is made optional? It collapses. "

There would have to be a transition generation, or two. The administrators would never just let it "collapse".

And it's clear you still haven't educated yourself regarding actual pyramid schemes.

#199 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 12:06 PM | Reply

Wyoming is nearly 200,000 people short of the threshold to obtain a House rep elsewhere. And their population is less than that of Milwaukee yet they have two senators.

Wyoming has outsized political influence and they choose to use that by electing a Karen who panders to idiots and psychopaths. Sad.

#200 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-18 12:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Are you really unable to think beyond the mouthbreather thought of "cult"?

No. Speaks is a one trick pony. He's in the depths of his own mental cult. Psychotherapy might help. He won't take it, he'll remain obsessed.

#141 | Posted by willowby

"Stop calling us a cult!... Now excuse us while we punish the only member of our group who refused to parrot the lies of our leader."

#201 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-18 01:21 PM | Reply

I don't know. Maybe I should consult Stacy Abrahams. As you surely know she had the election stolen from her.

#182 | Posted by BellRinger

Stacy abrams ran against the guy in control of the election who used his power to influence the results.

Biden ran against the guy in control of the election who used his power to influence the results - and still won.

#202 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-18 01:23 PM | Reply

This is why there are few true "statesmen". You pay a price.

#11 | POSTED BY EBERLY

That is a very profound statement of today's political climate and integrity.

#203 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-08-18 02:48 PM | Reply

#198 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Same as the capital gains rate?

And yes, despite Mitt seeming to have found a spine and a voice in recent years, he certainly made a lot of wealth playing the system.

#204 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2022-08-18 02:53 PM | Reply

" Same as the capital gains rate? "

Yep. Zero on the Social Security side, and 3.8% on the Medicare side, above a threshold.

#205 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-08-18 03:23 PM | Reply

"Wyoming has outsized political influence and they choose to use that by electing a Karen who panders to idiots and psychopaths. Sad."

So...do you think the answer is for Wyoming to be kicked out of the union?

#206 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-18 03:43 PM | Reply

"Wyoming has outsized political influence and they choose to use that by electing a Karen who panders to idiots and psychopaths. Sad."

So...do you think the answer is for Wyoming to be kicked out of the union?

#206 | POSTED BY MADBOMBE

If prefer national elections where my vote mattered

#207 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-18 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So...do you think the answer is for Wyoming to be kicked out of the union?

No. Not sure how you could draw that conclusion from my post. Just pointing out that we have institutional bias that strongly favors rightwing psychopaths.

#208 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-18 04:06 PM | Reply

So...do you think the answer is for Wyoming to be kicked out of the union?

#206 | Posted by madbomber

If wyoming is refusing to elect leaders who defend or beli?eve in democracy, what do YOU think should happen to them?

#209 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-18 04:21 PM | Reply

"If prefer national elections where my vote mattered"

Your vote does matter in accordance with the the way in which the US was organized under the constitution.

So your problem seems to be more with the constitution that with Wyoming.

#210 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-18 04:35 PM | Reply

"If wyoming is refusing to elect leaders who defend or beli?eve in democracy, what do YOU think should happen to them?"

The United States is a collection of willing sovereign states. If the rest of the states were to choose to remove a star from the flag...why wouldn't that be OK?

#211 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-08-18 04:37 PM | Reply

"If prefer national elections where my vote mattered"
Your vote does matter in accordance with the the way in which the US was organized under the constitution.
So your problem seems to be more with the constitution that with Wyoming.

#210 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

It is an example of how the Constitution is inherently flawed (one among many). My vote for President, Senator and Representative mean nothing as I live in a state/district that is not competitive. That is hardly the intent of the founding fathers. It seems a major problem that the national elections are decided in states/districts with a small minority of the nation's population. National elections, therefore, are geared to ignore the will of the majority.

So, no, I do not want Wyoming kicked from the country, I just desire to have the same power as the residents of Wyoming.

#212 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-18 04:40 PM | Reply

"If wyoming is refusing to elect leaders who defend or beli?eve in democracy, what do YOU think should happen to them?"
The United States is a collection of willing sovereign states. If the rest of the states were to choose to remove a star from the flag...why wouldn't that be OK?

#211 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Secession is not permitted, we already kicked the asses of those who thought otherwise, once. They probably need a reminder

#213 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-18 04:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If wyoming is refusing to elect leaders who defend or beli?eve in democracy, what do YOU think should happen to them?

#209 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I think that the leaders of said sedition should be considered terrorists, but my opinion is ignored.

#214 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-08-18 04:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Secession is not permitted

Neither is weaponizing federal agencies against political opponents.

They probably need a reminder

The federal government exists at the pleasure of it's citizens.

We'll see who gets reminded of what.

#215 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-08-18 05:22 PM | Reply

One man's "weaponizing federal agencies against political opponents" is another man's "prosecuting obvious criminals."

I'm sorry you elected a criminal piece of ---- president, but we don't have to treat him with kid gloves just because you were stupid enough to do that.

#216 | Posted by JOE at 2022-08-18 05:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Secession is not permitted

Neither is weaponizing federal agencies against political opponents.

#215 | Posted by Mao_Content a

Yet trump did it anyway.

#217 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-08-18 05:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The federal government exists at the pleasure of it's citizens.

We'll see who gets reminded of what.

#215 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

This fascists as patriots act is old.

Nasty people create nasty societies, and that's what fascists have to offer.

#218 | Posted by Zed at 2022-08-18 06:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Mao is coming to us from the Fort Davis Resort, rofl!

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#219 | Posted by Corky at 2022-08-18 06:34 PM | Reply

"#92 | POSTED BY TRUEBLUE AT 2022-08-17 02:44 PM | REPLY"

Up to a point. All of those bullet points you requested links for are both fairly well known and are fairly recent events.

"We are experiencing the highest rate of inflation in four decades."

That is a statement that is well known and I'm not going to provide a link to back up such an obvious statement.

#101 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2022-08-17 06:03 PM"

What isn't known, and only you would know, is what was explicitly requested: what do YOU mean by massively increasing', essentially', and persecuted'. Until you provide what you mean by those "fluff words", the rest is indeterminate and useless. Unlike, in your example: the highest rate of inflation', inflation rate is a quantifiable number and it is well known when one number is the highest number.

#220 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2022-08-19 10:54 PM | Reply

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