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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Sunday, September 04, 2022

In his first rally since his home was searched by the F.B.I. on Aug. 8, former President Donald J. Trump on Saturday lashed out at President Biden and federal agents, calling his Democratic rival "an enemy of the state" and the F.B.I. and the Department of Justice "vicious monsters."

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Trump has now described the legal, orderly, court-ordered search of Mar-a-Lago"done only after Trump defied a subpoena - as a military maneuver. He just called it an "invasion" by "vicious monsters" after calling it a "raid." He's called it a "break-in" half a dozen times already.

This is, quite simply, a speech intended to incite domestic terrorists to kill FBI agents and members of the Biden administration. It is shocking that there are no legal consequences for Incitement anymore. Trump has just now called the legal search of Mar-a-Lago an "assault."

Trump says "we [his MAGA followers] have no choice" but to orchestrate "a backlash the likes of which no one has ever seen before" because the Democrats are trying to "destroy" America and have constituted a tyrannical government.

Trump seems really upset by how [PA Lt. Governor and U.S. Senate candidate John] Fetterman dresses, and falsely accuses Fetterman of being a drug addict ...

Telling Americans their duly-elected President and federal law enforcement agencies are the real "enemies" for having executed a court-ordered search warrant after Trump already blew off a grand jury-issued subpoena - the search which yielded hundreds of stolen government documents and empty folders containing some of this nation's most closely held secrets; tacitly setting the stage for a violent response from his supporters if/when he's inevitably charged for red-letter violation of espionage laws, and then personally smearing and denigrating Democrats, in particular the two men running for US Senate and Governor of Pennsylvania - actually calling one a drug addict out of thin air. And let's not forget Trump chastising all Republicans for not fighting hard enough to help him overturn the 2020 election results to his favor.

Dark Brandon actually was very kind in his assessment of MAGA Republicans and Donald Trump. Imagine what Joe could have said about the fact Trump allowed vendors to openly sell Nazi swastikas-emblazoned flags alongside Trump flags at his rally. There isn't any getting around this one, or explaining it away. In America and elsewhere, you are what you allow.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-04 03:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We've entered the next, dangerous phase in the ongoing MAGAt unraveling - a process linked to and mirroring Trump's own physical and mental decline. The fascism is out in the open now, as is Trump's dementia (dinner at the WH last week with Zuckerberg?!?).

#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-09-04 05:14 AM | Reply

Trump allowed vendors to openly sell Nazi swastikas-emblazoned flags alongside Trump flags at his rally.

#1 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Good. Now maybe the Nazis who come here will stop arguing with me about it.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-04 08:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We've entered the next, dangerous phase in the ongoing MAGAt unraveling

#2 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

The interaction of Trump's florid mental illness and his wet, slobbering fear.

Yeah, Trump will get (more) people killed. A matter of morbid interest to speculate how many kids will die for being available, soft targets.

I want to personally thank each and every Trump voter I have ever interacted with for this fresh Hell.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-04 08:04 AM | Reply

Jeffy will be here to agree when he wakes up.

#5 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-09-04 09:01 AM | Reply

*Apologies: Thanks to a post from Yav, the now removed tweet showing a Nazi swastika flag alongside Trump flags for sale was not from yesterday's Trump rally as it was tagged. It was from 2016 taken at a local fair in PA.

#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-04 09:16 AM | Reply

Last night, Trump spread election lies, disparaged the FBI, called the media the enemy of the people, implied people who oppose him are "sick and sinister and evil people" & "our biggest threat," praised Xi and Putin, & oversaw a "lock her up" chant against Hillary Clinton.

Meidas Touch

Lies, lies, and more lies topped with threats, dictator-coddling and calls for extralegal punishments by the one actually in legal jeopardy for his violation of black letter law that increasingly appears connected to the deaths of CIA assets exposed and terminated in other countries.

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-04 09:27 AM | Reply

Tony. It's all they got. Expect more of the same.

#8 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2022-09-04 09:35 AM | Reply

Red lights = devil? What about red hats?

#9 | Posted by Brennnn at 2022-09-04 09:57 AM | Reply

It's not hard to imagine what Trump would sound like in German just switch the audio with an old Hitler speech and you get the same vibe.

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-04 10:19 AM | Reply

#10 If Trump had any military experience that would be enough to fool the few remaining Republicans. And bring in a whole bunch of Libertarians and Independents too.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-04 10:26 AM | Reply

#10

I disagree Hitler's speeches were crisp and delivered with passion and vigor. Trumps speech patterns are um, not.

#12 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2022-09-04 10:51 AM | Reply

Hitler's speeches were crisp and delivered with passion and vigor.

Very true, he was good. Even if you didn't understand a word he said you got the point.

#13 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-04 10:58 AM | Reply

I disagree Hitler's speeches were crisp and delivered with passion and vigor. Trumps speech patterns are um, not.
#12 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR

In that regard, Obama's speeches were much more like Hitler's.
--JeffJ

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-04 11:35 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

A couple of nights ago the president of the United States called millions of people enemies of this country.
Is it a contest on the left to see who can come up with the biggest lack of self awareness and projection.

#15 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-04 12:20 PM | Reply

------------- would've been smearing his ---- all over DC and using bear spray on cops on 1-6 if he wasn't suffering from crippling gout.

#16 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-09-04 12:24 PM | Reply

LMAO!

Isn't #15 the perfect example!

#17 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-04 12:24 PM | Reply

A couple of nights ago the president of the United States called millions of people enemies of this country.
Is it a contest on the left to see who can come up with the biggest lack of self awareness and projection.

#15 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You mean like being a right winger who talks about other people's lack of self awareness and projection?

And I believe he, rightfully, called them a danger to the country. Because they are.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-04 12:55 PM | Reply

"A couple of nights ago the president of the United States called millions of people enemies of this country."

What was the right number.
Of the people Biden was talking about, how many enemies do you think this country has?
And let's see where Biden actually said "millions."

You remember when George W. Bush said you're with us or you're with the terrorists.
Tell us, how many people did W. call enemies of the country that day.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-04 01:07 PM | Reply

The fact Trump, after 1/6, is still eligible to run for President is a failure of the Democratic Party. The Republican Party. The American Party.

This is ridiculous.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-04 01:29 PM | Reply

POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Is anyone surprised Belly is here to defend domestic terrorism?

I'm not.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-04 01:30 PM | Reply

Venues need to stop renting to trump for the same reason they don't rent to some rappers and all Nazis.

And since he uses their tech to promote violence and unrest even the phone companies need to refuse him service.

#22 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-04 01:33 PM | Reply

The fact Trump, after 1/6, is still eligible to run for President is a failure of the Democratic Party. The Republican Party. The American Party.

Here's the cold hard truth about that. The only requirement to run for President of the United States is that you have to be 35 years of age or older, be a natural born citizen, and lived in the United States for 14 years or more.

Then it's up to our weird system to "elect" the President.

#23 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-04 01:37 PM | Reply

-#18. How many people are "they". Ballpark it if you can.

Also, what is to be done about "they"? How does our government normally deal with such existential threats to our country and democracy?

As Krauthammer was known to say - We think they are wrong. They think we are evil.

#24 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-04 02:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"We think they are wrong. They think we are evil." None of this is logic or how to arrive at the truth. It is just a statement to divide.

#25 | Posted by Brennnn at 2022-09-04 02:13 PM | Reply

These MAGA types are such a threat that the DNC is spending tens of millions of dollars on Trump endorsed candidates in GOP primaries.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-04 02:13 PM | Reply

---- off, dumb@ss.

#27 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-04 02:15 PM | Reply

#26 That's because, for whatever reason, Dems think Trumpers are easier to beat. Doesnt mean they aren't a threat, but downplaying that is just more closeted Trumpism from you.

Just come out of the closet already, Trumper Jeff. Fly your Trump flag high. You'll feel so liberated.

#28 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-04 02:23 PM | Reply

#28. I know why they are doing it. And if these people win their primaries AND defeat their opponent than the DNC was willingly complicit in putting these people into positions of power.

That should anger you but it doesn't because you obviously believe these people aren't a threat.

#29 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-04 02:27 PM | Reply

Also, money spent on these MAGA Republicans is money the Dems no longer have to spend on their own candidates.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-04 02:30 PM | Reply

#29 It will anger me if it doesn't work. I assume these people are privy to data i'm unaware of, and obviously hope they are correct. If they aren't, i would hope they never work in politics again.

#31 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-04 02:32 PM | Reply

#31. Fair enough.

#32 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-04 02:33 PM | Reply

-That's because, for whatever reason, Dems think Trumpers are easier to beat.

In some races they are.

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-04 02:36 PM | Reply

How many people are "they". Ballpark it if you can

Polling IIRC show about half of Repubs are self admitted MAGA. So that would be 20-25% of the electorate roughly.

Also, what is to be done about "they"? How does our government normally deal with such existential threats to our country and democracy?

You beat them at the polls. When they pull some ---- you give their ---- back to then. They've shown they have no qualms be reactive, so snag the dumb ones who mouth off online and grab the rest when they reveal themselves.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-04 02:46 PM | Reply

That should anger you but it doesn't because you obviously believe these people aren't a threat.

#29 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Stick to expressing your own ridiculous opinions.

Stop trying to think for other people.

#35 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-04 02:47 PM | Reply


"We think they are wrong. They think we are evil." None of this is logic or how to arrive at the truth. It is just a statement to divide.

Thats literally not what he said. There is a thread on logic, and I suggest you go read it.


Also, money spent on these MAGA Republicans is money the Dems no longer have to spend on their own candidates.

I don't know why the Elite Ds are doing this.

"MAGA proposals are a threat to the very soul of this country." ~ Joe Biden
twitter.com

Then the Elite D's support MAGA candidates .. its ------- off the hook as Yav correctly states.

#36 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-09-04 02:52 PM | Reply

Stop trying to think for other people.

#35 | POSTED BY JPW

I think he should continue, you need all the help out there you can get. You get your $10K yet!? Grifter.

#37 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-09-04 02:53 PM | Reply

#34 So snag them and then what? Charge them with wrongthink?

I remember when Trump called the press the enemy of the people. The left correctly labeled such language as reckless and dangerous coming from POTUS. These very same people cheer when POTUS says 10's of millions of people are a threat to our democracy and the soul of this nation. It's a (D) thing.

#38 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-04 03:01 PM | Reply

Tens of millions of US citizens.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-04 03:01 PM | Reply

These types of comments are popping up on Twitter:

I'm a gay man. I have a black husband. I drop my kids off at school every morning. I play cards with my senior mom. I go to church every Sunday. I have always paid my taxes and work everyday. I vote Republican. I am pro-life. Am I a threat to the soul of this nation?

#40 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-04 03:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Charge them with wrongthink?

I knew it wouldn't be possible for you to have a good faith conversation.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-04 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#37 paid mine you stupid sack of ----.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-04 03:12 PM | Reply

These very same people cheer when POTUS says 10's of millions of people are a threat to our democracy and the soul of this nation. It's a (D) thing.

#38 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

At this point, if you think those two are comparable you're as stupid as I've been telling you you are.

#43 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-04 03:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

German BellRinger in the lead up to WW2.

"Nazis are German citizens! They represent Germany!"

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-04 03:20 PM | Reply

These very same people cheer when POTUS says 10's of millions of people are a threat to our democracy and the soul of this nation.

Damn, you're such a forking liar. Everyone knows what Biden said:

"Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.

I want to be very clear, very clear upfront. Not every Republican, not even a majority of Republicans, are MAGA Republicans. Not every Republican embraces their extreme ideology. I know because I've been able to work with these mainstream Republicans.

But there's no question that the Republican Party today is dominated, driven and intimidated by Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans. And that is a threat to this country. These are hard things.

And here, in my view, is what is true.

MAGA Republicans do not respect the Constitution, do not believe in the rule of law. They did not recognize the will of the people and refuse to accept the results of a free election.

And they're working right now, as I speak in state after state, to give power to the side elections in America. To partisans and cronies, empowering election deniers and undermine democracy itself.

MAGA forces are determined to take this country backwards, backwards to an America where there is no right to choose, no right to privacy, no right to contraception, no right to marry who you love.

They promote authoritarian leaders and they fanned the flames of political violence that are a threat to our personal rights, to the pursuit of justice, the rule of law, the very soul of this country.

And look at the mob that stormed the United States Capitol on January 6, brutally attacking law enforcement, not as insurrectionists placing a dagger at the throat of our democracy, but they're looked at as patriots.

They see their MAGA failure to stop a peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 election as preparation for the 2022 and 2024 elections.

They tried everything last time to nullify the votes of 81 million people.

This time, they're determined to succeed in thwarting the will of the people.

We are all called by duty and conscience to confront extremists who put their own pursuit of power above all else. Democrats, independents, mainstream Republicans must be stronger, more determined and more committed to saving American democracy than MAGA Republicans are to destroying American democracy. We the people will not let anyone or anything tear us apart.

www.newsweek.com

So unless Republicans are themselves engaged in the specific activities Biden called out in absolute detail, or they support MAGA Republicans who are actively participating and supporting the specific subversive activities and/or agree with the goals MAGA Republicans are trying to reach, even if you voted for Trump, then no, Joe Biden was not talking about you as being a threat to the peace and comity of our Republic.

#45 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-04 03:27 PM | Reply

These types of comments are popping up on Twitter:

While I don't doubt there's an interracial gay married couple who have a kid and vote Republican.

I haven't a clue what point your trying to make?

Are you suggesting their kid should be taken from them and taught about the sinful life their parents were living?

Seems like it's the Republican thing to do these days.

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-04 03:27 PM | Reply

BellRinger is yelping because Biden called him out.

Simple as that.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-04 03:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

I haven't a clue what point your trying to make?

He's pointing out that he can make stuff up.

#48 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-04 03:39 PM | Reply

-Am I a threat to the soul of this nation?

No, but you're a large annoyance.

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-04 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tens of millions of US citizens.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger

What's your point? If you have enough supporters then your fascist insurrection is ok?

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-04 03:42 PM | Reply

...I vote Republican... Am I a threat to the soul of this nation?

#40 | Posted by BellRinger

If you are voting for people who are attempting to overthrow democracy then yes.

Why is this concept so hard for you to understand?

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-04 03:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#40 That comment is either fake from an account created in August 2022, or from a person so distinctly in the minority of the Republican Party as to be irrelevant and inapplicable to the topic at hand.

In either event, as a person who votes Libertarian, why do you identify with, and get offended on behalf of, Republicans?

#52 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-04 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why is this concept so hard for you to understand?

It shouldn't be.

But Republicans love to point out when a person who isn't a white homogeneous heterosexual votes for their party.

Apparently it makes all the horrible shht they stand for, all good.

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-04 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

These kinds of comments are popping up on drudge:

"I am an androgynous they/them pansexual with a trans husband who identifies as latinx. I adopted seventeed namibian refugees and drop them off at school in my solar-powered Bianchi e-omni deore with recycled carbon-neutral trailer. I voted for Donald Trump. Am i a threat to this nation?"

#54 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-04 03:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 6

#54

Well played, my friend. Well played.

#55 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-04 03:54 PM | Reply

"#18. How many people are "they". Ballpark it if you can."

Millions sounds right to me.
Tens of millions voted for Trump.
If only two percent are loyal Fifth Columnists, that's well over a million.

"Also, what is to be done about "they"? How does our government normally deal with such existential threats to our country and democracy?"

The first step is to take them seriously. Let us know when you're ready to take Trump and Jan 6 seriously as existential threats to our country and democracy!

"As Krauthammer was known to say - We think they are wrong. They think we are evil."

Whereas you think what happened in Flint isn't evil.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-04 05:07 PM | Reply

Here's another view of the crowd....

www.youtube.com

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-04 05:23 PM | Reply

I'm...gay. I have a...husband. I drop my kids
I vote Republican.

I'm always baffled by people who vote for a party that makes no bones about making your whole life illegal. It's certainly no secret that Pubs are anti-gay marriage and gay adoption. So they vote for someone who would then take away their entire life???

#58 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2022-09-04 05:42 PM | Reply

German BellRinger in the lead up to WW2.

"Nazis are German citizens! They represent Germany!"

#44 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

He's definitely a gutes deutsch.

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-04 06:57 PM | Reply

These MAGA types are such a threat ...

But don't you dare call them "violent" or they will (violently) attack you.

#60 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-04 09:07 PM | Reply

#45. What exactly IS a MAGA Republican, Tony Roma? I've seen lefties already saying that DeSantis is worse than Trump. What is "Trumpism". I'm trying to understand whether or not I'm a threat to our Democracy.

#61 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-05 11:31 AM | Reply

BellDinger, are you trying to overturn legimate elections? Are you fomenting anger/resentment/violence using the false premise of widespread voter fraud? Do you support candindates that engage in these activities?

This stuff aint hard.

#62 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-09-05 11:34 AM | Reply

What exactly IS a MAGA Republican?

#61 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

1) Cult of the Leader

2) Racist, to include 3) and 4)

3) I get to vote, you don't.

4) My candidate wins legitimately, your by conspiracy

5) Threats/Violence friendly

6) Lies and hypocrisy are legitimate tools

#63 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-05 11:37 AM | Reply

What exactly IS a MAGA Republican?

#61 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You come here often enough to know. See 6) above.

#64 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-05 11:38 AM | Reply

" I'm trying to understand whether or not I'm a threat to our Democracy."

Easy.

Do you vote for Trump and/or his enablers, or is embracing The Big Lie an automatic disqualifier?

#65 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 11:46 AM | Reply

This stuff aint hard.

No duh. Bell's been crying for a week about how Biden insulted every Republican that voted for Trump, and now he has to ask exactly what a "MAGA Republican" is? How many times do Biden's precise words have to be reproduced in order for you to comprehend them?

And here, in my view, is what is true.

MAGA Republicans do not respect the Constitution, do not believe in the rule of law. They did not recognize the will of the people and refuse to accept the results of a free election. And they're working right now, as I speak in state after state, to give power to the side elections in America. To partisans and cronies, empowering election deniers and undermine democracy itself. MAGA forces are determined to take this country backwards, backwards to an America where there is no right to choose, no right to privacy, no right to contraception, no right to marry who you love.

They promote authoritarian leaders and they fanned the flames of political violence that are a threat to our personal rights, to the pursuit of justice, the rule of law, the very soul of this country. And look at the mob that stormed the United States Capitol on January 6, brutally attacking law enforcement, not as insurrectionists placing a dagger at the throat of our democracy, but they're looked at as patriots. They see their MAGA failure to stop a peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 election as preparation for the 2022 and 2024 elections.

They tried everything last time to nullify the votes of 81 million people. This time, they're determined to succeed in thwarting the will of the people. We are all called by duty and conscience to confront extremists who put their own pursuit of power above all else.

See the part about supporting authoritarian leaders? DeSantis fits the title to a "T" - replacing an elected prosecutor for saying that he wouldn't defend a law that isn't even in effect yet, and using the power of government against a private corporation that dares to stand up for its LBGTQ workers, just to name a few. To many, if the shoe fits, there's no reason to wait in recognizing that fact.

#66 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-05 11:48 AM | Reply

#62. If it's only about overturning elections, ok maybe. But it's being cast as much more than just that. Further I can quote countless Democrats being insurrection-y claiming elections were stolen.

#67 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-05 12:03 PM | Reply

" 65 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2022-09-05 11:46 AM | FLAG: "

---- off. You are saying anyone who doesn't vote Democrat is a threat to this country.

#68 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-05 12:05 PM | Reply

---- off with your "botherism" --------.

#69 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-05 12:07 PM | Reply

#67 he wasn't just talking about politicians you dishonest bastard. He was smearing tens of millions of US citizens. Just own it and stop lying and spinning about it.

#70 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-05 12:11 PM | Reply

That orange paedeophile is just making it easier for the FBI to take him down. Now, they can enjoy it as they bag and tag him.

#71 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2022-09-05 12:13 PM | Reply

So now basic policy disagreements are a threat to the soul of this nation.

You -------- are unbelievable.

#72 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-05 12:19 PM | Reply

Bell, you asked what is a MAGA republican.

You'll get whining and bitching for even asking then receive as many different answers as who post a response.

Tony goes back to what Biden said. probably the most reasonable response, IMO.

Everyone else just responds with whatever they want.

Then complains and says "it's not that hard".

Well, then they could agree on a definition.

But nobody is going to do that.

#73 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 12:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-You are saying anyone who doesn't vote Democrat is a threat to this country.

Like with the advice being given to Nazis....they should say it loud and proud.

Enough hiding. Out with it already. Why live in the closet any longer??

Anybody who doesn't vote for a democrat is a threat to this country.

If you vote for a democrat, then you're not a real American. Even if you accept election results and believe in the rule of law. Doesn't matter. You voted for a democrat.

You're a threat.

#74 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 12:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

How many people are "they". Ballpark it if you can

Using 1 metric:

www.poynter.org

Most Republicans still falsely believe Trump's stolen election claims. Here are some reasons why.
In poll after poll, about 70% of Republicans say they don't think Joe Biden is the legitimate winner of the 2020 election.

If you don't believe in democracy, you might just be a fascist.

#75 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-09-05 12:44 PM | Reply

#67 he wasn't just talking about politicians you dishonest bastard. He was smearing tens of millions of US citizens. Just own it and stop lying and spinning about it.

#70 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

10's of millions of Americans do not believe in democracy.

#76 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-09-05 12:50 PM | Reply

www.npr.org

Last year, a University of Chicago poll found almost 1 in 10 Americans believed the use of force was justified to restore Trump to the presidency after he lost.

10's of millions of Americans believe it is justified to commit violence to install ------- as president, despite the results of the 2020 election.

If you support using violence to install the losing candidate in office, you just might be a fascist.

#77 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-09-05 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

www.pewresearch.org

Yet, in general, Republicans are far less likely than Democrats to say everything possible should be done to make it easy to vote, according to a survey conducted last month (28% of Republicans vs. 85% Democrats).

If you don't want to allow people to vote, you just might be a fascist.

#78 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-09-05 12:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You're a threat."

And you're a dull witted, wishy-washy, drama queen.

And NOBODY is confused about what a MAGA republican is.

LOL!

#79 | Posted by Angrydad at 2022-09-05 01:10 PM | Reply

Anybody who doesn't vote for a democrat is a threat to this country.

If you vote for a democrat, then you're not a real American. Even if you accept election results and believe in the rule of law. Doesn't matter. You voted for a democrat.

You're a threat.
#74 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Eberly, for weeks now, has been trying to post as much absurd shht as he can, to obfuscate the situation of Republicans kicking members of the party out who aren't seen as being extreme enough.

Of course. He'll claim this all happened under BushJr and Reagan too.

Apparently Republicans have always been like this. But Democrats never noticed.

#80 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-05 01:13 PM | Reply

" So now basic policy disagreements are a threat to the soul of this nation."

Please explain how The Big Lie is a basic policy disagreement.

#81 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 01:14 PM | Reply

-And NOBODY is confused about what a MAGA republican is.

You are. Many of you are.

You just want to call it whatever you want.

Swallow it

#82 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 01:18 PM | Reply

" You are saying anyone who doesn't vote Democrat is a threat to this country."

Nonsense. I'm saying anyone who enables and empowers tellers of The Big Lie is a threat.

Again, is embracing The Big Lie a disqualifier when it comes to your vote? Or are you willing to enable the same folks Biden was warning about?

#83 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 01:19 PM | Reply

" And NOBODY is confused about what a MAGA republican is."

Dividing line: is embracing The Big Lie a disqualifier? If not, you're a MAGA extremist.

#84 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 01:21 PM | Reply

-Nonsense. I'm saying anyone who enables and empowers tellers of The Big Lie is a threat.

How does one do that?

By voting for a republican.

#85 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 01:23 PM | Reply

" How does one do that? By voting for a republican."

Are you saying EVERY Republican running for office embraces the Big Lie?

Or are you saying Republicans would rather vote for known liars?

#86 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 01:25 PM | Reply

Poor clown.

He dwells in a consequence free environment here and he can't stand that being pointed out.

It needs to be a secret.

He is allowed to post whatever he wants with zero expectation or the responsibility of being even remotely accurate.

Just troll from thread to thread and personally attack anybody he wants and pretend to be too ------- stupid to understand the topic.

Of course, he can swallow that.

Whole ... .

#87 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 01:26 PM | Reply

What exactly IS a MAGA Republican?
#61 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

MAGA American are Trump supporters who believe progress and liberalism are destroying this nation.

That black people are criminals who deserve to be shot dead by police.

That Mexicans are criminals and rapists. That brown people don't belong in America.

They cry about "the crisis at the southern border."

Call BLM a communist movement.

Screech about Transgender people destroying sporting events for women.

Pass laws preventing women from being in control of their lives.

Pretend teachers are indoctrinating their kids.

They're people who wear shirts that read, "Grab this p***y!"

People who wear clothes that read, "I'd rather be a Russian than vote Democrat." "The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat." "Thank you Brandon!"

People who fly Trump Flags next to the Fkkk Biden flags.

People who don't believe Biden won. Despite every Republican failure to prove Trump won.

People with "blue lives matter" emblems on the clothes or cars.

They're people who believe in alternative facts. Own more guns than they can store in their house.

Have been taking ivermectin to protect them from Covid.

Never wore a mask. Ran into store crying about their freedoms.

MAGA Americans are the cult of Trump.

Which, is apparently the entire Republican Party.

#88 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-05 01:29 PM | Reply

-Are you saying EVERY Republican running for office embraces the Big Lie?

What do you mean by "embrace"?

Some avoid it and some talk about it.

But ultimately they are a republican and will vote with their party on many issues.

So, does it really matter? It's obvious you're just trying to attach the big lie to every republican in existence so you can avoid admitting that it's really all republicans.

The only way to avoid your attachment to the big lie is to stop being a republican.

Just admit it.

Clown and twoothy are dying for you to do it.

#89 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 01:30 PM | Reply

Are you saying EVERY Republican running for office embraces the Big Lie?

The ones who don't are getting kicked out of the party.

#90 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-05 01:31 PM | Reply

" MAGA Americans are the cult of Trump. Which, is apparently the entire Republican Party."

That seems to be Eberly's conclusion.

#91 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 01:32 PM | Reply

88

See? Right there ... ... /blah blah blah ... .then "every republican is a threat to democracy"

#92 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 01:33 PM | Reply

Ultimately, elimination of the chief executive and imposition of a prime minister chosen through Parliamentary procedure is the solution. Increased political neutrality of the chief executive should be the ideal goal for future American governance, but America loves its 2 party rigidity and cults of personality so much it won't happen without major war.

Unfortunately, executive branches in majoritarian systems have a strong tendency to evolve toward autocracy, either hard (republican) or soft (democrat)

In Switzerland we have a seven member executive council that has had continuously overlapping member terms for nearly 200 years, which in turn has created stability in governance unheard of in any other country on the planet. That would not work for the US, however- much more ethnic and cultural diversity/complexity in the electorate.

#93 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2022-09-05 01:33 PM | Reply

#87 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Did you want to have a point.

Because all you posted was nonsense.

It's the only thing you post anymore.

#94 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-05 01:33 PM | Reply

"What do you mean by "embrace"?"

Claim the lie is the truth. How effing difficult is this?!?

When discussing 2020:

A) "We need to look forward, not back"
B) "Everyone knows the last election was stolen"

See any difference?

#95 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 01:35 PM | Reply

That seems to be Eberly's conclusion.
#91 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Eberly come to a conclusion about anything?

Highly unlikely he's taken that fence post out of his as*.

His whole shtick is that Republican Party is the same as it's always been.

Nothing has changed.

He's doing all he can to ignore reality.

#96 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-05 01:37 PM | Reply

-That seems to be Eberly's conclusion.

That's your conclusion. And ------.

The only difference he is just admitting it.

#97 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 01:39 PM | Reply

-Eberly come to a conclusion about anything?

Yes, but first I'm going to ---- with you and everyone else who having a hissy fit over the question that set you all off.

Shall we keep going?

#98 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 01:41 PM | Reply

-His whole shtick is that Republican Party is the same as it's always been.

Well, they vote for republicans.

Does anything else matter to you?

#99 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 01:42 PM | Reply

first I'm going to ---- with you and everyone else

Is that what you see yourself as doing?

Interesting.

#100 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-05 01:42 PM | Reply

-Claim the lie is the truth.

You mean speak? Talk out loud about it?

Well, at least there is an action.

A belief is not an action.

#101 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 01:44 PM | Reply

Is eberly saying anything? It doesn't look like it.

#102 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-05 01:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

None of you have the obligation to agree on what a MAGA republican is.

It's fine if you all have your own little definitions.

It's cute, really.

But then you all cry when the question is asked?

As if you believe you're all on the same page?

You're not. Not even close. Again, that's fine.

One of the reasons you can't get together on it is because deep down you wish Biden had just outright called anybody who votes for a republican a threat to democracy. So you're just doing it for him. "That is what meant anyway. He's just too professional to say something like that". LOL

Another reason is that what someone "believes" isn't a threat to anything. Actions are the threat. Not "belief"

#103 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 01:55 PM | Reply

-Is eberly saying anything?

Poor thing. Just personal attacks. Nothing of substance. Just emotion and hurt feelings.

#104 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 01:57 PM | Reply

" It's obvious you're just trying to attach the big lie to every republican in existence "

I never said that. Only you said that.

I've been trying to find ANY Republicans running for office willing to tell the truth.

Don't they exist, or are the Rs only offering a bunch of inveterate liars?

#105 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 01:58 PM | Reply

-I've been trying to find ANY Republicans running for office willing to tell the truth.

Tell the truth or not lie? You're acting like that's the same thing and nobody notices.

#106 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 02:00 PM | Reply

He's saying a lot.

#107 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-05 02:02 PM | Reply

#103

Another post that doesn't say anything.

What's your point Eberly? Do you have one?

Are you able to make one post where you're not assuming you know what everyone else is thinking?

Is that how you talk to people in the real world? You tell them what they're thinking?

Who knows. Maybe that's the best way to deal with the MAGAts.

Bunch of morons who need someone else to tell them what they're thinking.

No wonder they like Trump and the Republican Party so much.

#108 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-05 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He's saying a lot.
#107 | POSTED BY BELLYACHE

So does HumTake.

Saying a lot without saying anything seems to be a Republican forte.

#109 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-05 02:04 PM | Reply

" You mean speak? Talk out loud about it?

Well, I'm not talking about keeping it inside their heart of hearts.

Again, how effing hard is this? If they say the last election was stolen, and you vote for them anyway, you're either endorsing or enabling MAGA extremists.

Not difficult at all.

#110 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 02:06 PM | Reply

-What's your point Eberly? Do you have one?

That you have your own definition of what's a MAGA republican and/or a threat to democracy.

It's entirely different from other people's definition.

#111 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 02:07 PM | Reply

Tell the truth or not lie?

Semantics at its finest.

"Earlier today he said he was hungry, and he was. See, he's telling the truth!"

Eberly seems very desperate to ignore Danforth's very simple and straightforward question.

#112 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-05 02:08 PM | Reply

" what someone "believes" isn't a threat to anything"

Nonsense. It leads to action. Folks in MAGA states wouldn't be rewriting voter laws without the underlying purposeful misinformation.

#113 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hey look
Once again we have jeffbellberly trying to make this thread about themselves, instead of having an "honest discussion" on how abhorrent todays GOP has become

#114 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-09-05 02:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-If they say the last election was stolen, and you vote for them anyway, you're either endorsing or enabling MAGA extremists.

what if they wear a t-shirt with mean wording on it that clown is offended by? threat to democracy?

Oh, and if I vote for an "enabler" what exactly does that make me?

I'm a threat to democracy.......for voting?

#115 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 02:10 PM | Reply

" Oh, and if I vote for an "enabler" what exactly does that make me?"

Responsible.

Or irresponsible ... your choice.

#116 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 02:12 PM | Reply

-Nonsense. It leads to action.

Except voting, it's the only action for the vast majority. they get up, go to work, pay taxes, obey the law, but in November....they're voting for someone with an "R" beside their name.

they believe whatever they want. Some choose NOT to believe the big lie but they're still voting for a republican.

and you've concluded they're still a threat to democracy.

#117 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 02:13 PM | Reply

" I'm a threat to democracy.......for voting?"

Depends. Are you voting for folks after you've learned they're a threat to democracy?

#118 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 02:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

what if they wear a t-shirt with mean wording on it that clown is offended by?

Oh. I see. You're unable to critically think things through.

Makes sense.

People wearing the items I listed, are the same people who don't believe Biden won the election, are the same people who will show up to take part in an insurrection, are the same people who will vote for politicians who still say Democrats stole the 2020 election.

Defending MAGAts seems to be making you dumber.

#119 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-05 02:14 PM | Reply

116

cute little non-answer.

try again. come on...you can do it.

#120 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 02:15 PM | Reply

-Are you voting for folks after you've learned they're a threat to democracy?

so, now it's what I've learned? I honestly don't know what my congressman has publicly said on the election.

I know he voted to overturn the election.

So if I vote for him, I'm a threat to democracy? My congressman ran unopposed in his primary and he'll probably win with 70% or more.

I'll vote for the democrat if it makes you feel better.

But what does it matter?

#121 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 02:20 PM | Reply

" they get up, go to work, pay taxes, obey the law, but in November....they're voting for someone with an "R" beside their name. "

And if that person promotes The Big Lie, that voter is voting for a Trump enabler.

Not difficult.

I spoke with some KC friends after the Todd Akin debacle in MO. One was an election observer in a large room. She said none of the observers revealed any bias, but they all noted a lot of folks voting straight R ... except for Senator, where they'd either not vote on that office, or vote for McCaskill (aka, AGAINST Akin).

It can be done.

#122 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 02:20 PM | Reply

Oh, and if I vote for an "enabler" what exactly does that make me?

Responsible.
Or irresponsible ... your choice.
#116 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

It's been pointed out to Eberly numerous times over the years that by voting for Republicans he's responsible for the actions taken by the Republican Party.

He's unwilling to accept his roll.

Eberly, if you vote for a politician who denies Biden won the 2020 election. You're voting to end America.

Simple as that.

These people will rewrite the way America works.

Kinda like the Supreme Court rewrote how abortions work.

And all you did was say, "Who would have known?"

All of us who kept telling you it would happen knew.

Wake up.

#123 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-05 02:21 PM | Reply

-Nonsense. I'm saying anyone who enables and empowers tellers of The Big Lie is a threat.
How does one do that?
By voting for a republican.
#85 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Republicans who voted for Liz Cheney are not magats

#124 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-09-05 02:22 PM | Reply

" cute little non-answer. try again. come on...you can do it."

Reread it until the meaning becomes clear.

If you knowingly vote for the known liar, you're an enabler of the lies.

It's not that effing hard.

#125 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 02:24 PM | Reply

"you're an enabler of the lies."

And a threat to democracy?

Is that what Joe Biden called me?

He was talking to me?

#126 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 02:26 PM | Reply

" I'll vote for the democrat if it makes you feel better."

What a riot. My feelings have nothing to do with it. All I'm saying is if you vote to empower the enabler, you've voted to empower the enablers.

My apologies if that obvious truth upsets your delicate sensibilities.

#127 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 02:27 PM | Reply

" He was talking to me?"

He was talking to MAGA extremists. You tell us.

#128 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 02:28 PM | Reply

I voted for Trump's opponent each time.

my congressman was a freshman and this is the first time I will be voting to either send him back or not. He slaughtered his opponent last time.

What have I done at the point to be called a threat to democracy?

#129 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 02:29 PM | Reply

Is that (a threat to democracy) what Joe Biden called me?

He was talking to me?

#126 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It depends on what you and Kansas do over the next year.

In my part of Texas, 25% and more of Republicans believe in Q.

We want you to do better.

#130 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-05 02:29 PM | Reply

Eberly is desperate not to get it.

Because then he'd have to reevaluate his friendships with his MAGAt friends.

#131 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-05 02:29 PM | Reply

Please don't misunderstand....I'm not worried about some silly label from folks who nobody takes seriously anyway.

That would be all of you, BTW.

I only interjected because you all were clutching your pearls over the deserved and reasonable question posed by Bell.

Again, you can all have your own little definitions. They can be in agreement with Biden or not.

It's just kind of funny for each of you to pretend that you don't see each other disagreeing.

#132 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 02:33 PM | Reply

" What have I done at the point to be called a threat to democracy?"

Does your freshman Congressman believe you deserve the truth, or lies? And if the latter, will you register your displeasure by voting for the candidate who believes you deserve the truth, or will you tell the fibber his lies are AOK by giving him your vote?

#133 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 02:34 PM | Reply

-It depends on what you and Kansas do over the next year.

I'm a MAGA extremist for what I haven't even done yet?

This just gets better and better.

#134 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 02:34 PM | Reply

-Does your freshman Congressman believe you deserve the truth, or lies?

I'm supposed to know what he believes? right now? Back to that, again?

#135 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 02:36 PM | Reply

-In my part of Texas, 25% and more of Republicans believe in Q.

Hold on....are they going to vote for someone who believes in Q?

Isn't that really their sin?

#136 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 02:37 PM | Reply

I'm a MAGA extremist for what I haven't even done yet?

#134 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 202

Stop it. You know better.

But as for your friends and neighbors, just as for mine.....If they vote Nazis or give money to Nazis, they are Nazis. Just like in Germany; just like in 1932,

#137 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-05 02:38 PM | Reply

Eberly is like the homely person who wears short skirts or muscle shirts (or both!) to get attention.

He really doesn't want to have sex with you, he just wants some attention.

#138 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-05 02:40 PM | Reply

-If they vote Nazis or give money to Nazis, they are Nazis.

Thanks....that really helps.

#139 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 02:41 PM | Reply

I'm supposed to know what he (my Congressman) believes? right now?

#135 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I know what mine believes. He tweets it.

Mine voted to overturn the election just like yours.

They are, yours and mine, fascists.

#140 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-05 02:41 PM | Reply

#138 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2022-09-05 02:40 PM | FLAG: can join yav, twoothy, clown, and zed in the corner. have a fart contest

#141 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 02:42 PM | Reply

Thanks....that really helps.

#139 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It's as clear as it ever gets in this life.

#142 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-05 02:43 PM | Reply

-He tweets it.

okay....that's nice. maybe I don't use twitter

#143 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 02:46 PM | Reply

Remember, those who hate Trump even more than the average Democrat but decide to vote for a third party (like I did back in 2016) are also MAGAt enablers and empowerers (word?) and therefore a threat to democracy...

#144 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2022-09-05 02:50 PM | Reply

" I'm supposed to know what he believes?"

Oh, hell, Eberly, why would any informed voter bother to find out their Representative's stances!

/s

Of course, whether he believes you deserve truth or lies is pretty easy to discover.

#145 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 02:52 PM | Reply

-You know better.

What I know better than you do is that neither you nor anybody else here is required to be consistent with anything.

You're demanding everyone know if they are a threat to democracy by your definition (remember....giving money nazis is a qualification..and being on twitter to know what someone believes in their heart) and then check with Danforth, then check with Tony, then Biden, then everyone else here...all of whom can call you a nazi, MAGAt, Nazi enabler, MAGAt enabler, threat to democracy, etc....and based on their own personal criteria. Personal definitions.

Let me just tell you all.......I don't think ANY of you are a threat to democracy. At least I have no basis to accuse you of it. I don't care if you vote or how you vote.

The truth is that it's clear some of you really have no clue whatsoever what democracy even is. Naturally, I find it humorous you believe you are in a position to judge another for threating something you don't understand in the first place.

carry on......I love the entertainment.

#146 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 02:53 PM | Reply

I'm supposed to know what he believes? right now? Back to that, again?
#135 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Assuming this is your representative:

accountability.gop

Objected to certification of electoral college votes in one or more states
Made no public statements about the election, or was evasive
Voted against impeachment or conviction of Donald Trump for inciting an insurrection
Voted against creating an independent commission to investigate the Jan. 6 attack
Voted against holding Steve Bannon in contempt of Congress

#147 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-09-05 02:55 PM | Reply

"accountability.gop"

I'll take Oxymorons for $1,600, Mayim.

#148 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 03:09 PM | Reply

"why would any informed voter bother to find out their Representative's stances!"

He didn't promise to vote to overturn the presidential election should trump lose the LAST time I voted for him.

Still wanting someone to tell me what makes me a threat to democracy.

What actions? Or are we just going to continue to hide behind beliefs?

#149 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 03:12 PM | Reply

-Assuming this is your representative:

wrong but thanks for the link

#150 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 03:13 PM | Reply

" whether he believes you deserve truth or lies is pretty easy to discover."

(Checks website ... )

Lies. He believes you deserve lies. Will you reward him with your vote?

#151 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 03:13 PM | Reply

-Will you reward him with your vote?

Apparently I'm already a threat to democracy.

I'm going to go find someone who's willing to give me a good caning.

#152 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 03:18 PM | Reply

"Still wanting someone to tell me what makes me a threat to democracy."

Depends. Now that you know the truth, will you still be endorsing him with your vote, or will you be sending the message lies matter, by either voting for his opponent or sitting that race out?

#153 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 03:18 PM | Reply

" Apparently I'm already a threat to democracy. "

You've pleaded ignorance. We accept that.

Now ... what about your next vote?

#154 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 03:20 PM | Reply

-Now that you know the truth,

I already knew everything you think I don't know about how my congressman has voted.

The only "truth" I was after was getting you and 4 or 5 of your little friends here to get on the same page.

You can't.

It's not possible.

Which makes the question posed originally not so bad. It actually revealed how far apart you all are.

Joe Biden would prefer most of you just STFU and let him determine who is a threat to democracy and stop ------- things up for him and the democratic party in general.

#155 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 03:22 PM | Reply

Assuming this is your representative:
wrong but thanks for the link

#150 | POSTED BY EBERLY

So, Tracey Mann I assume?

mobile.twitter.com
For these reasons earlier this month I joined 25 other incoming House Freshmen in calling on Speaker Pelosi to investigate the 2020 Presidential Election for possible election fraud.

I will also vote no on January 6th to certifying the results of the 2020 Presidential Election.

He has stood for us. We must now stand for him and a fair election.

mobile.twitter.com
I'm making a contribution to the Donald J Trump For President Recount Fund to make sure all claims of fraud are investigated. Please consider joining me.

mann.house.gov
"The raid of President Trump's home on Monday was a brazen political weaponization of the FBI and the U.S. Department of Justice. When Republicans called on U.S. Attorney General Garland to intervene when violent threats and actions were made against U.S. Supreme Court Justices and pro-life pregnancy centers, he remained silent " but found the time to raid Mar-a-Lago. When former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton held state secrets insecurely on a server in her basement, the FBI also did nothing. And what about Hunter Biden's laptop? Is the FBI concerned with the private business relationship between China and President Biden?

This seizure of former President Trump's property is an embarrassment, it's un-American, it sets a horrible precedent, and it's an abuse of our country's justice system."

#156 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-09-05 03:25 PM | Reply

accountability.gop

Objected to certification of electoral college votes in one or more states
Made false and/or irresponsible public statements against democratic system
Voted against impeachment or conviction of Donald Trump for inciting an insurrection
Voted against creating an independent commission to investigate the Jan. 6 attack
Voted against holding Steve Bannon in contempt of Congress

Rep. Mann started casting doubts on the validity of the 2020 election while votes were still being counted, tweeting a supportive message of President Trump that "he has stood for us. We must now stand for him and a fair election." Though there was no evidence of unfairness or fraud, he used these concerns to justify objecting to certifying the Electoral College results, saying "our country must have free and fair elections and credible allegations of fraud must be investigated."

Just posing a question: Is Mr. Mann more or less likely to vote for voter suppression or election invalidation in the case of a Democratic victory? Does that make him anti-democratic?

#157 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-09-05 03:31 PM | Reply

"Joe Biden would prefer.."

Sure sure. That's exactly what he wants. Did you even listen to the speech?

If you think that is what he thinks after he told you what he thinks then YOU are not being honest with yourself.

"It actually revealed how far apart you all are."

Because democrats are a diverse group with many different opinions on things ?

Unlike maga republicans who take their marching orders from a freaking narcissistic lunatic because they are afraid of offending him.

#158 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-05 03:35 PM | Reply

"Though there was no evidence of unfairness or fraud, he used these concerns to justify objecting to certifying the Electoral College results, saying "our country must have free and fair elections and credible allegations of fraud must be investigated.""

And as we'd seen SIXTY TIMES by January 5th, there were ZERO CREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS OF FRAUD.

He had nothing, and knew it. And now he's lying to the voters, and expecting their gratitude for being gaslit.

#159 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 03:41 PM | Reply

Look at Eberly. Doing his best to defend MAGAts.

In the 1930s, would he be defending Nazis?

All signs point to yes.

#160 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-05 03:49 PM | Reply

Coup Perpetrators calling others calling anyone an rnemy of the people js so ridiculous thathe should be laughrd off of the national stage. Simply hilarious except for the MAGA Dummies.

#161 | Posted by danni at 2022-09-05 03:56 PM | Reply

Danforth views anyone who doesn't vote straight Dem to be a threat to this country.

#162 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-05 03:57 PM | Reply

-Did you even listen to the speech?

I'm beginning to think I'm the only one here who did.

BTW, I support him entirely on that speech.

But then again, I listened and understand it.

I'm not trying to use it as an excuse to piss people off.

Look in the mirror.

And swallow it.

#163 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 04:13 PM | Reply

Look at clownshart. Doing his best to be relevant in a conversation miles above him.

#164 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 04:15 PM | Reply

" Danforth views anyone who doesn't vote straight Dem to be a threat to this country."

Bellringer can't seem to post anything about me that doesn't lie about my stance.

Unless every single Republican running is an election denier, you're a lying sack of ------.

(Checks notes)

You're a lying SOS.

Why can't you post without lying?

#165 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 04:25 PM | Reply

" I already knew everything you think I don't know about how my congressman has voted."

Then why were you pretending otherwise?

#166 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 04:32 PM | Reply

-Then why were you pretending otherwise?

I was asking for your version of "how not to be a really bad American"

#167 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 05:01 PM | Reply

BTW, I support him entirely on that speech.

But then again, I listened and understand it.

Do you agree with him???

He told you exactly who the magaheads are and the danger we are all facing because of them. So what exactly is your problem with the folks here who also agree with him??

They refuse to accept the results of a free election. And they're working right now, as I speak, in state after state to give power to decide elections in America to partisans and cronies, empowering election deniers to undermine democracy itself.

MAGA forces are determined to take this country backwards " backwards to an America where there is no right to choose, no right to privacy, no right to contraception, no right to marry who you love.

They promote authoritarian leaders, and they fan the flames of political violence that are a threat to our personal rights, to the pursuit of justice, to the rule of law, to the very soul of this country.

They look at the mob that stormed the United States Capitol on January 6th " brutally attacking law enforcement " not as insurrectionists who placed a dagger to the throat of our democracy, but they look at them as patriots.

And they see their MAGA failure to stop a peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 election as preparation for the 2022 and 2024 elections.

They tried everything last time to nullify the votes of 81 million people. This time, they're determined to succeed in thwarting the will of the people.

#168 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-05 05:11 PM | Reply

" I was asking for your version of "how not to be a really bad American""

And I suggested insisting your candidate tell the truth about who won the election is a ridiculously low bar, but a good place to start.

#169 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-05 05:18 PM | Reply

-So what exactly is your problem with the folks here who also agree with him??

They don't agree with him.

#170 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 05:21 PM | Reply

was asking for your version of "how not to be a really bad American"

#167 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It's pretty easy Eb

If you actually care then STOP supporting, excusing or enabling Trumpers and their MAGA BS.

Any of it in any way.

It's all bad for America. It's bad for you too. Trumpy lost and he should STFU. But he cannot because he is a very sick man picking at an open scab so that it can never heal. But he is just a man and should be held accountable for his actions just like all of us should be.

If we cannot hold these folks accountable for their actions it will tear us apart. It's already begun. Lines are being drawn. People are already getting hurt. Jan 6th was National tragedy and we need to face it and deal with it. Those people that attacked our nations capital were not patriots. They were criminals. Perhaps misguided but they made their choices. And they and their leaders all need to held accountable or we will never heal and recover.

#171 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-05 05:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How do I delete my account? This site has become a terrible joke.

#172 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2022-09-05 05:37 PM | Reply

Danforth views anyone who doesn't vote straight Dem to be a threat to this country.

#162 | Posted by BellRinger

That's because your party is to cowardly and fascist to do anything to protect this country from fascism.

Let us know when you decide to elect someone who wants to defend democracy, instead of purging and destroying them all.

#173 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-05 06:07 PM | Reply

#173 Democrats are totalitarian pieces of garbage who collide with big tech and most of the media to control messaging and both lie to the people and hide the truth.

They embrace cancel culture and abject racism. Biden is a senile old man and has become a puppet to the vicious hags of the far left.

#174 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-05 06:35 PM | Reply

Collude

#175 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-05 06:36 PM | Reply

HOw many coup attempts do you get before you finally admit that you are the enemy of democracy and thus rhe United States?

#176 | Posted by danni at 2022-09-05 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's pretty easy Eb

DONNERBOY

You reminded me of a clever meme parody of Einstein (that maybe only musicians would get):

E = Fb

#177 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-09-05 06:58 PM | Reply

Collusion is not a crime!
--JeffJ, 2018

#178 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-05 07:59 PM | Reply

#176. I don't know. How many more Steele Dossieres are going to be used by the FBI and DOJ to try and take out a duly elected president?

#179 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-05 08:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-If you actually care then STOP supporting, excusing or enabling Trumpers and their MAGA BS.

LOL

#180 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-05 09:38 PM | Reply

They embrace cancel culture and abject racism. Biden is a senile old man and has become a puppet to the vicious hags of the far left.

#174 | Posted by BellRinger

Get back to me when the left becomes the fascist cult of a con man and biden attempts to overthrow democracy.

And ask liz cheney about "cancel culture".

#181 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-06 02:08 AM | Reply

#176. I don't know. How many more Steele Dossieres are going to be used by the FBI and DOJ to try and take out a duly elected president?

#179 | Posted by BellRinger

Duly elected with the help of hostile foreign tyrants.

How come putin, who wants to destroy america, helped elect trump?

#182 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-06 02:09 AM | Reply

"Mr Garland, how can I help put out these fires?"

#183 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-09-06 07:02 AM | Reply

#182. There was no criminal conspiracy between Trump and Putin. Didn't happen. The actions of the FBI and DOJ with Russiagate makes this recent dust up over documents look suspicious. It may well be on the up and up but these institutions have earned plenty of skepticism.

#184 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-06 10:08 AM | Reply

"The actions of the FBI and DOJ with Russiagate makes this recent dust up over documents look suspicious."

^
It's certainly suspicious that Trump would have all kinds of classified information he is not authorized to have.

But that's not what you mean.

You mean it's suspicious like the FBI and DOJ framed Trump.

#185 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-06 10:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There was no criminal conspiracy between Trump and Putin.

#184 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I wish I were born with your psychic abilities.

Now, let's address common sense:

1) Putin helped get Trump elected

2) Trump, the sociopath, has done or tried to do everything else. Why treason with Putin should be left out is beyond me.

#186 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-06 11:26 AM | Reply

You mean it's suspicious like the FBI and DOJ framed Trump.

#185 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Yeah, that's what he means. And when he says that he loathes trump, that's something he doesn't mean.

I'd like a close look at his brain. It might reveal something useful about Trumpism and where this plague comes from.

#187 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-06 11:27 AM | Reply

Self-hating (fill-in-the-blank).

It's a thing.

#188 | Posted by legallyyourdead at 2022-09-06 12:26 PM | Reply

#182. There was no criminal conspiracy between Trump and Putin. Didn't happen. The actions of the FBI and DOJ with Russiagate makes this recent dust up over documents look suspicious. It may well be on the up and up but these institutions have earned plenty of skepticism.

#184 | Posted by BellRinger

REPUBLICANS decided there was no LEGALLY PROVABLE criminal conspiracy between putin and trump, though they said there was evidence for one.

Like trump hiring the same campaign manager who had been installing putin puppets across europe for years, a guy who charged trump NOTHING, but was in debt to putin for 17 million dollars. A guy who was convicted of illegal lobbying, who was then pardoned by trump.

Or like trump rewriting the GOP platform to let putin keep crimea. The only part of the platform he touched.

or like trump trying to lift the sanctions on russia.

Or like trump hiring putin's favorite oil exec to be secretary of state.

or like trump firing all the russia experts from the state department.

or like trump hiring putin's favorite general as secretary of defense

or like trump saying he trusts putin over our own intelligence services

or like trump lying and saying he has no business in russia.

I could do this all day. But you'll ignore it and continue to insist that russiagate turned up nothing.

#189 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-06 04:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You think the DOJ investingating trump's stolen documents is "suspicious" but you dont find that^ mountain of evidence suspicious at all. moron.

#190 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-06 04:37 PM | Reply

" The actions of the FBI and DOJ with Russiagate ... "

Russiagate?!? Why do you keep pretending The Rubio Report doesn't exist?

Too embarrassed to admit the truth?

#191 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-06 05:35 PM | Reply

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