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Wednesday, September 07, 2022

A federal judge in Texas on Wednesday ruled that the government cannot require a Christian-owned company to cover HIV preventative medication because it violates their religious rights under federal law.



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...District Judge Reed O'Connor said that the Department of Health and Human Services did not provide any "compelling" evidence to argue that "private, religious corporations" should be required to cover HIV pre-exposure prophylaxis, commonly known as PrEP, "with no cost-sharing and no religious exemptions."

O'Connor said HHS was unable to show that the ACA's requirement for HIV PrEP to be fully covered by insurance "furthers a compelling governmental interest....

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-07 03:35 PM | Reply

Hmm, what's next? STD treatments, birth control?

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-07 07:18 PM | Reply

"Hmm, what's next?"

Jehovah's Witnesses on line #1; something about transfusions.

Scientologists on line #2; something about prescriptions.

And Christian Scientists on line #3, pissed about everything.

#3 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-07 07:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#1 ... "private, religious corporations" ...

For me, that phrase is an oxymoron.

But to the Supreme Court, which has stated that corporations are people, I guess it makes sense.

In my view, once a business entity is formed, that business entity should serve all that walk through its door, regardless of any disagreement with the religious beliefs of those customers.

To somehow ascribe the religious beliefs of a company's employees onto the customers of that business is odd.

Indeed, in voicing an opinion in favor of such an ascription looks like discrimination in hiring practices of those companies.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-07 07:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

This had to stop.

It's as big a threat to the Republic as, well, you know.

They're different prongs of the same, coordinated threat.

The Grand Old Party.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-07 10:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is what happens when neoliberalism is winning; they aren't satisfied with owning politicians so they can govern as crony capitalists under business rules in the political space, they also have to support whatever their rwing populist voting base wants to make them happy.... guns, "Gawd", and disenfranchised women.

And they use the law and the courts to do so.

Do Trumpers even know they are dupes of the neoliberals?

Thatcher, Reagan, the Tea Party, the America Fisters (sp correct!), the MAGA maniacs... all the same thing; big corporations and billionaires riling up rwing populists with moronic social issues and using that against their own best interests.

There are only two main political opponents in the most of the world today; the neoliberals like Trump, Putin, Xi, and the social democrats who try to keep control of gov of, by, and for the People.

Which side are these clowns on?

(sorry, Cshack)

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-08 12:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Lamp, I think they're talking about what wouldn't be covered by the insurance they offer to employees.

This is the sort of thing that would make me not want to work for this company. Or buy its products.

#7 | Posted by RJSquirrel at 2022-09-08 05:23 AM | Reply

the new religion seems to be that, 'corporations can do anything, can get
away with anything, because they have more rights than individuals (who
are poorer by comparison).

little wonder that this developed in a society which worships Greed
over all else...

#8 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-09-08 06:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Religion is a personal thing, it is none of my business what you or your loved ones believe. But in the public square, health care and its primary component, medicine, is life itself. There is a compelling interest, overwhelming interest, in favor of ignoring such "religious" rights to operate a business. You cannot operate a coffee shop and exclude African Americans even if your religion says they are not to be interacted with, , and you cannot discriminate against gay people in this life or death matter.

#9 | Posted by Hughmass at 2022-09-08 07:26 AM | Reply

Just when you think Republic*nts can't be any bigger ------.

#10 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-09-08 07:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Anything for which, in their view, abstinence is an alternative solution, is to be prevented, stamped out, and eradicated at all costs. They believe that abstinence outside of Christian, heterosexual marriage, is good for the social order and should be promoted through our laws and customs. So no PrEP, no contraception, and eventually laws prohibiting the number of ------ one can own like they have in Texas. They are so wholly and completely fixated on the sex lives of others yet solely for the purpose of being punitive for behavior outside their religious proscription. No, there will be no support for addressing issues related to how people actually live, but there will be an abundance of laws related to how they believe their tome dictates we should live. Halleluiah.

#11 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2022-09-08 09:03 AM | Reply

This is the sort of thing that would make me not want to work for this company. Or buy its products.

#7 | POSTED BY RJSQUIRREL AT 2022-09-08 05:23 AM | REPLY |

The only common sense post on the thread.

#12 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-09-08 09:03 AM | Reply

One Law for Christians.

Another Law for Everyone Else.

Welcome to the Republican Vision for America.

#13 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-09-08 09:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

This is like all those scenes in the Gospels when Jesus walked around refusing medical treatment to sick people.

#14 | Posted by anton at 2022-09-08 11:32 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

And all those terrible things Jesus said about gay people.... duh.

Paul spent the first chapter of his letter to the Romans describing, in detail to his followers who lived among them, the many sexual persuasions of the fun-loving Romans in the city .

His conclusion was that Christians were not to judge that behavior in others because they themselves were not perfect spiritually, albeit perhaps in other ways... and if they did so judge other people, that same judgement would be used against them.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-08 11:43 AM | Reply

The religious freedom to let people die.

When I worked on an infections disease unit that had a large number of substance abusers but also quite a few Aides patients. Most had no insurance so were treated by state programs. While we never formally investigated it, an informal study amongst the other Nurse Practitioner's and Physician Assistants and the consensus was that they over the years we had almost never admitted a substance abuser who was insulin dependent with the diagnosis of HIV. Because no doubt they all had a steady and reliable supply of needles and syringes.

I can only imagine the money that those needles and syringes for those diabetic patients saved the state in Aides treatments.

#16 | Posted by prius04 at 2022-09-08 02:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pederalist judges constantly pick away at the ACA and other HHS rules like it's a game. The notion that any real healthcare reform would ever withstand their scrutiny is a joke. Packing the courts is a necessary prerequisite to any actual progress in this country, and the Dem gerontocracy is not up to the task.

#17 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-08 03:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Once again, for those in the back:

At bottom, the singular policy goal of the modern Republic Party is to make life as miserable as possible for every person who is not a straight, white, affluent male.

You can get into the weeds with them on technical legal issues if you want. But at the end of the day, no matter what subject you're debating them on, the above will be true in every single case.

#18 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-09 01:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Hmm, what's next? STD treatments, birth control?"

Birth control mandates went out the window years ago:

#19 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-09 01:28 PM | Reply

HIV preventative medications?

Do they work?

#20 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-09 01:32 PM | Reply

"At bottom, the singular policy goal of the modern Republic Party is to make life as miserable as possible for every person who is not a straight, white, affluent male."

This week on straw man theatre, the straight, white, affluent male stereotype mud wrestles with the -----, impoverished, trans colored woman of color stereotype. Followed by a wet T-shirt contest.

#21 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-09 01:33 PM | Reply


#22 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-09 01:40 PM | Reply

"HIV preventative medications? Do they work?"

Yes. And that fact breaks many a conservative Christian heart daily. They like the idea of extramarital sex coming with a risk of deadly disease. They believe its divine retribution and these know it all scientists keep trying to get in the way of that.

#23 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2022-09-09 03:53 PM | Reply

Good thread on what's at stake with this ruling for other types of preventive care besides the HIV drugs:

There are so many bombs sewn into this ruling.

1. O'Connor says members of the Preventive Services Task Force"which requires insurers to provide preventive coverage, including vaccines and cancer screenings"are appointed illegally. Which may render their mandates unlawful.

O'Connor wants "further briefing on the appropriate remedy." One fix would be for the Secretary of HHS to simply "ratify" the work of the Preventive Services Task Force.

But O'Connor says the secretary *cannot* ratify its work. So his remedy might just destroy the task force.

If O'Connor takes this step--which he gestures toward in today's ruling--private health insurers could refuse to cover huge range of preventive care, including vaccines, cancer screenings, STI tests, pregnancy care ... the list goes WAY beyond PrEP coverage.

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-09 07:48 PM | Reply

The Pro-Life Party wants people to die from AIDS.

Any questions?

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-09 07:51 PM | Reply

Yeah just how effective are these medications?

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-09 11:24 PM | Reply

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