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California has become the epicenter of the movement. The Los Angeles program, funded primarily by the city, benefits 3,200 people who have at least one child, as well as an annual income below the federal poverty level. Several cities have moved ahead with efforts using private money: Oakland pledged to give 600 low-income families $500 for 18 months, and in San Diego, some families with young children will get $500 a month for two years. Last year, the state set aside $35 million over five years for cities to carry out pilot programs, which can use different criteria, including income level, people leaving the foster care system and residence in low-income neighborhoods. An application process for municipalities to tap into those funds is underway.

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You would think that in Joe's economy, where we have more jobs than people to fill them, this wouldn't be needed. I guess it's not a robust as we're being led to believe.

#1 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-09-10 10:52 AM | Reply

The Arby's down the street is hiring at up to $13/hr.

Anyone think that's enough to live on?

Anyone think that's enough to grow the economy?

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-10 11:18 AM | Reply

Anyone think that's enough to live on?
Anyone think that's enough to grow the economy?

#2 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-09-10 11:18 AM | REPLY

Joe Biden does. The democrats could put the federal minimum wage at a liveable level but haven't.

#3 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-09-10 11:25 AM | Reply

What's the livable wage?

Think any Republicans would support it?

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-10 11:41 AM | Reply

The Arby's down the street is hiring at up to $13/hr.

Wow... global top 10%.

~MB

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-10 11:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Several cities have moved ahead with efforts using private money"

A little ironic.

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-10 11:58 AM | Reply

#6

"The Los Angeles program, funded primarily by the city"

"Last year, the state set aside $35 million over five years for cities to carry out pilot programs, which can use different criteria, including income level, people leaving the foster care system and residence in low-income neighborhoods. An application process for municipalities to tap into those funds is underway"

#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-09-10 12:05 PM | Reply

There is no free lunch.

Eventually, the one paying the bill get tired of paying everyone else. There is no such thing as "guaranteed" income. A liberal fantasy.

The Arby's down the street is hiring at up to $13/hr.

Anyone think that's enough to live on?

Anyone think that's enough to grow the economy?

#2 | Posted by snoofy

No, that's why most people get a skill or do something useful with their lives before the age of 40 instead of sit around pontificating about all the people around them working and creating lives.

If liberals stopped sitting around scheming on how to get free money so they can live a leisurely lifestyle, it might be an ok party.

#8 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-10 12:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just trying to give old grandma the homemaker a means to get by, or the developmentally disabled, or sick people, the mom forced to raise a baby alone. Others who have little control over their lives.

Not everything is a scheme, boaz.

#9 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-09-10 12:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Any funding for universal basic income should be taken from the bloated coffers of the ever-growing military industrial welfare state.

#10 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2022-09-10 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

There is no free lunch.

Except for the incredibly wealthy.

They feed off our tax dollars and conservatives don't make a peep.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-10 12:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If liberals stopped sitting around scheming on how to get free money so they can live a leisurely lifestyle, it might be an ok party.

#8 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You have such a ridiculous view of the world.

One would think your life experiences are ... limited.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-10 01:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

If liberals stopped sitting around scheming on how to get free money so they can live a leisurely lifestyle, it might be an ok party.
#8 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Um,
Isn't this why you joined the military?

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-10 01:10 PM | Reply

@#11

Yup.

Republicans generally dislike it when government money is given to the needy and lower middle class to help them survive and get on their feet.

Republicans generally like it, though, when government money goes to the already wealthy.

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-10 01:11 PM | Reply

"Several cities have moved ahead with efforts using private money"
A little ironic.

#6 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Rich people don't like their downtown core being undesirable.
They'll pay to solve the problem, if anybody actually know how to fix it.

That's only ironic if you think rich people are devoid of social responsibility. Which I think is the trope you're going for. It's more like, people with businesses downtown are looking out for their customers, and the customers say they don't like coming downtown because of the homeless problem.

Maybe you just don't have cities where you live so you don't see this happening first-hand.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-10 01:12 PM | Reply

Republicans generally like it, though, when government money goes to the already wealthy.
#14 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Because It Creates Jobs.
That's the GOP mythology, anyway.
There might be some truth to it, but there are far more cost-effective ways for government to create jobs.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-10 01:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No, that's why most people get a skill or do something useful with their lives before the age of 40 instead of sit around pontificating about all the people around them working and creating lives.
If liberals stopped sitting around scheming on how to get free money so they can live a leisurely lifestyle, it might be an ok party.
#8 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Sure. People should get a skill and get a job better than Arby's by age 40.
However, not everyone is actually going to achieve that in life.
More to the point, the fact that such people exist isn't making kids go to college. In fact, men are going to college far less than women these days.
So, you're right, people should get a skill or do something useful with their lives. But a whole lot of Americans aren't. And scolding them doesn't change that. Blaming liberals for it doesn't change it either, when liberals are the ones doing things like making it easier for these stupid young men to get an education.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-10 01:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Except for the incredibly wealthy.

Who are mostly Democrat.

However, not everyone is actually going to achieve that in life.

Well, that's their problem. Not mine or the government to fix.

And scolding them doesn't change that. Blaming liberals for it doesn't change it either

And neither does giving them free money.

More to the point, the fact that such people exist isn't making kids go to college.

Used to be being a bum was looked down upon by society. But the "influencer" generation doesnt care about that anymore. They WANT to be bums, to not have responsibility and to have to work. That's why there's this movement for money coming from nowhere and nothing. Money coming from not working.
You liberals did that.

#18 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-10 02:11 PM | Reply

Who are mostly Democrat.

LOL yeah ok.

Good god dude.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-10 02:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They WANT to be bums, to not have responsibility and to have to work.

66% of millennials are employed full-time. 35% of the US workforce are millennials. Millennials will represent 75% of the global workforce by 2025. www.statista.com

#20 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2022-09-10 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Used to be being a bum was looked down upon by society. But the "influencer" generation doesnt care about that anymore. They WANT to be bums, to not have responsibility and to have to work. That's why there's this movement for money coming from nowhere and nothing. Money coming from not working.
You liberals did that.

#18 | Posted by boaz

No you conservatives did by creating a system where all the wealth is sucked up by the wealthy so no one else stands a chance. Why play a game that is stacked against you?

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-10 03:23 PM | Reply

You can't expect facts to change the minds of conservatives.

That's literally proven here on the DR on a daily basis.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-10 03:57 PM | Reply

Pretty much all of these are very small pilot programs, designed to study what the real-world impact is of providing low income folks with unrestricted cash. And this moron posts a thread that simply states the programs exist, as if that's supposed to make people angry.

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-10 04:01 PM | Reply

Let's be realistic: this is just a local supplement for The Earned Income Credit, or what used to be called "Welfare". Only low-income PARENTS with dependent offspring are eligible.

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-10 04:48 PM | Reply

There's nothing more expensive than free.

#25 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-09-11 10:52 AM | Reply

"learn a trade, get a skill yada yada" is such an outdated boomer idea. I graduated HVAC school with NATE certifications a few years ago and ended up with a job doing back-breaking labor that paid less than a 7/11 clerk.
People who preach that nonsense are olde and completely clueless as to how skewed and underpaid every job is these days. You have no sense of the damage you have done by voting Republican your whole life.

#26 | Posted by Kreator at 2022-09-11 11:48 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

They feed off our tax dollars and conservatives don't make a peep.

#11 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2022-09-10 12:48 PM | FLAG: REALLY???

71 percent
The top 10 percent of earners bore responsibility for over 71 percent of all income taxes paid and the top 25 percent paid 87 percent of all income taxes.

Who Pays Income Taxes? - Foundation

#27 | Posted by MSgt at 2022-09-11 12:51 PM | Reply

the top 25 percent paid 87 percent of all income taxes.

And it's not enough to support both the needs of The People and the MIC. Eisenhower warned us, not enough people (especially his own party) listened. LBJ also talked about guns vs butter (econ 101). The MIC didn't protect us from 9/11 and since then they've spent $trillions on failed wars in the Middle East. What did those tax dollars do for us after 9/11? They would have been better spent on Universal Health Care (among other things).

But the MIC must be fed, and that's why we can't have nice things.

#28 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2022-09-11 01:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The top 10 percent of earners bore responsibility for over 71 percent of all income taxes paid and the top 25 percent paid 87 percent of all income taxes.

Only HALF of the federal government's revenue comes from individual income taxes. Where does the other 50% come from?

36% comes from PAYROLL TAXES - a tax only paid on the first $142,800 (2021) of income. 7% comes from Corporate income taxes. US corporations made $2.81 trillion in 2021. 3% comes from excise taxes - on gasoline, tobacco, airline travel, etc. And the remaining 5% is miscellaneous - gift taxes, estate taxes, custom duties, etc.

The most glaring example of tax inequality skewed toward the wealthy is this:

...much of their income doesn't appear on their annual tax returns because the tax code doesn't consider it "taxable income." For example, taxes on capital gains (the increase in the value of assets such as stocks, real estate, or other investments) are effectively voluntary to a substantial extent: high-wealth filers may accumulate capital gains every year as their investments appreciate, but they don't owe tax on those gains until - or unless - they "realize" the gain, usually by selling the appreciated asset. Wealthy individuals can wait to sell until it makes the most sense for them, such as a year in which they will have large capital losses to offset the gain. And, if a wealthy individual opts instead to pass on her appreciated assets to her son when she dies, neither she nor her son will ever owe capital gains tax on the assets' growth in value during her lifetime.

In contrast, people who earn their income from work (for example, from wages or salaries) typically have income and payroll taxes withheld from every paycheck; if their tax liability for the year exceeds those withheld taxes, they must pay the balance by the following April 15.

www.taxpolicycenter.org(figure%201).

#29 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-11 02:41 PM | Reply

Guaranteed Income Programs

now that is what threatens our Republic! the Democrats have been buying Votes for Decades

#30 | Posted by Maverick at 2022-09-11 03:24 PM | Reply

Money coming from not working.
You liberals did that.

#18 | Posted by boaz

Are there no workhouses or prisons?

What a freakin Scrooge you are.

Them liberals are just trying to help. To lend a helping hand. And to see if it actually helps. What are you doing to help besides lying and complaining and bitching about what others are doing?

Btw- $500 a month is not near enough to live on anywhere in the Bay Area. Especially with a child. So that means they still have to work you hateful maroon.

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-11 04:26 PM | Reply

"Used to be being a bum was looked down upon by society."

Used to be being a selfish ----- was looked down upon by society.

Republicans made that a Republican virtue right around 1975.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-11 04:30 PM | Reply

"But the "influencer" generation doesnt care about that anymore. They WANT to be bums, to not have responsibility and to have to work."

^
Hey Boaz,

This describes Trump, more than any other influential figure in American life.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-11 04:32 PM | Reply

"And scolding them doesn't change that. Blaming liberals for it doesn't change it either
And neither does giving them free money."

Actually giving people free money does change it. It makes them not-as-poor.

It's not a permanent fix, but it's probably cheaper than sending them to prison.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-11 04:34 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

The cost of living in the US is just too high.

America has been a poor steward of the great opportunities that were given to her.

Politics and power caused foolish spending decisions by our leaders for decades.

Neither Dems or Reps have any long term workable real answers that I have seen or heard about.

Frankly...you can't back out of what has been created.

Drive it till is breaks is the current philosophy from what I'm seeing and probably the only truth.

More government debt...what me worry?

Why stop now?

#35 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-09-11 08:11 PM | Reply

Subsidies to guarantee a minimum income for anyone not working full time.

Fully paid health care for everyone.

Did I miss anything?

Want a free car?

To think this all started with free cheese.

#36 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-09-11 08:18 PM | Reply

"To think this all started with free cheese."

Would you rather they toss it into the dump?

And I see you forgot to mention the free cell phones that Bush gave away (that turned into Obamaphones)

And it's beyond me why some people are so desperate to be mad at the more disadvantaged among us getting a helping hand?

There but for the grace of God go each and every one of us.

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-11 11:16 PM | Reply

"Anyone think that's enough to live on?"

More than enough.

When I completed my enlistment back in 1998, my first job paid about half that amount. And that amount was about twice what I ever made as an E-4 in the military.

#38 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-09-12 12:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Donner,

How does personal accountability come in the picture for you?

#39 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-09-12 05:08 AM | Reply

Eventually, the one paying the bill get tired of paying everyone else. There is no such thing as "guaranteed" income.

#8 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I'm not sure if you're 12 years old or if you're an adult who just hasn't figured out that money is fake.

#40 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2022-09-12 08:35 AM | Reply

Absolutely, raise the minimum wage. Like MacDonalds. Like Walmart.
And see how they have responded? By hiring less workers. Walmart now has 75% of its checkout as self-checkout, and more day workers filling online orders.
McDonalds now has big-screen kiosks with card payment.
And the prices are still much much higher, even as fuel prices have declined over 50%, comparing early 2021 prices to the peak summer 2022 prices.
The minimum wage was never supposed to support a family living independently; please provide any proof contrary to my assertion. As a Democrat, I shake my head at the continuation of this lie.

#41 | Posted by e1g1 at 2022-09-12 09:38 AM | Reply

"Anyone think that's enough to live on?"

More than enough.
#38 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Okay.

Show us how you live your life today on $13/hr.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-12 09:44 AM | Reply

-The minimum wage was never supposed to support a family living independently

Even if it was at some point in the past, it no longer will be.

People can cry all they want but we will not have minimum skilled workers earning minimum wage supporting a family. They'll barely be able to support themselves.

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-12 10:10 AM | Reply

The minimum wage was never supposed to support a family living independently.
#43 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Is anything supposed to support that?
???

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-12 10:48 AM | Reply

The minimum wage was never supposed to support a family living independently
#41 | POSTED BY E1G1

What was it supposed to do?
???

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-12 10:50 AM | Reply

"learn a trade, get a skill yada yada" is such an outdated boomer idea. I graduated HVAC school with NATE certifications a few years ago and ended up with a job doing back-breaking labor that paid less than a 7/11 clerk.
People who preach that nonsense are olde and completely clueless as to how skewed and underpaid every job is these days. You have no sense of the damage you have done by voting Republican your whole life.

#26 | Posted by Kreator at 2022-09-11 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag

Both neighbors sons dropped out of college and enrolled at trade schools. One...electrician...the other diesel engine repair.

A year later, one has had knee surgery for an on the job injury and despite his employer assurances his job was safe, he was "downsized" even though the employer has employment advertisements every week in the paper. The other was sick and tired of having to break his back hauling heavy equipment up and down stairs to install for minimum wage while getting sh$t from his boss for not being willing to work an extra hour a day without pay to restock the service truck.

#46 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-09-12 12:43 PM | Reply

26/46

those are sad stories.

but if you can't do any better than that today.....you're really really really really ------.

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-12 01:06 PM | Reply

Eb,

Relatively speaking the majority of people today and the sad stories are much better off than Americans have been.

The people on food stamp eat like kings compared to long ago but don't hardly appreciate it.

The government will put a roof over their head and most of the minimal requirements to live.

But this comes at a price of little integrity or sense of self worth.

Now they are demanding positive affirmation from society.

Do it the way it's been done for ages.

The truth is no one owes you a thing.

I don't want to hear from Bible thumpers who think abortion isn't murder.

#48 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-09-12 03:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The people on food stamp eat like kings compared to long ago but don't hardly appreciate it."

^
When you're a Conservative, you think Kings eat at McDonald's!

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-12 04:00 PM | Reply

"The truth is no one owes you a thing."

Then I guess I don't owe anyone for my student loans either.
Okay.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-12 04:02 PM | Reply

"When you're a Conservative, you think Kings eat at McDonald's!"

Sounds like MB is rubbing off on him with the idea that Americans should have to suffer like the poverty stricken in the third world before they receive any assistance at all. It's quite the Christian perspective these days.

#51 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2022-09-12 04:07 PM | Reply

"The truth is no one owes you a thing"

*Am I my brother's keeper?*

*I don't want to hear from Bible thumpers who think abortion isn't murder*

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

OK, that. But the Bible allows abortion.

Beyond that, seeing abortion as murder is the process of a convoluted logic that makes cells into people; a logic that likely would not exist were there no Liberals to frustrate.

Also a logic that wouldn't exist if "conservatives" liked women at all.

#52 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-12 04:12 PM | Reply

I Don't Want To Hear From

#48 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Could be the "conservative" battle cry.

I think most of you would benefit from living in desert communes and away from everything that doesn't strike you the right way.

You's reduce you're blood pressure and ours as well.

#53 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-12 04:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There was a time when Evangelical Christians stayed out of politics.

That time ended when Lee Atwater rolled out the Southern Strategy which was a huge hit with racist Evangelical Christians.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-12 04:17 PM | Reply

Having been on food stamps I take issue with the eat like kings. We got 430 a month for a family of 5 that's less than 1 dollar per meal. Not sure how that translates to eat like kings.

As for learning a trade not paying off there is a risk especially during your first 5 years or so when you are the low man but after that the earnings potential is pretty solid. Probably not lambo money but a decent life and a white picket fence can happen.

#55 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2022-09-12 04:21 PM | Reply

Tao,

I've been on food stamps. I know it was much better for me and my family at that time when we did.

You're just proving what I said people don't appreciate it.

Back when I got it families with a male living in the residence could get it only a short time. We certainly noticed the difference.

I've seen numbers how much it has changed from back then. Far more given out now.

#56 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-09-12 04:31 PM | Reply

"Having been on food stamps I take issue with the eat like kings. We got 430 a month for a family of 5 that's less than 1 dollar per meal. Not sure how that translates to eat like kings."

Right-wing propaganda featured a story where somebody bought lobster with EBT.
So now conservatives just assume everybody is doing that all the time.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-12 04:41 PM | Reply

#56

Where did I say it wasn't appreciated?

I was responding to you saying they "eat like kings" heck yeah 430 is better than the 0 we would have had and every time we got food on it it was food we otherwise wouldn't have had but it was a far cry from "eating like kings".

#58 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2022-09-12 04:44 PM | Reply

#57

No I'm pretty sure Bill assumes that not starving is eating like a king. I suspect had he been Peeta and me Katnis he would have expected me to worship him for the muddy piece of burned bread.

#59 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2022-09-12 04:48 PM | Reply

"No I'm pretty sure Bill assumes that not starving is eating like a king"

That's actually a good point.
BillJohnson doesn't seem to be able to make a post that isn't overflowing with ridiculous right-wing caricature and hyperbole.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-12 04:50 PM | Reply

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