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Sunday, September 11, 2022

Michelle Norris loves to see guests' reactions as they enter the Tri-It Taproom for the first time. She says first-time visitors to the new Avon self-service tap room are always wowed as they first lay eyes on the wall of taps: 44 in all, offering craft beer, hard seltzer, cider and wine.

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... "I say it's like a playland for adults," she said.

After Connecticut legalized self-pouring technology in 2021, Norris opened the state's first self-service tap room in late June, offering nearly four dozen beverage options for guests to physically pour themselves. ...

But the new concept is far from a free-for-all, Norris said, and Tri-It has checks and balances to avoid guests overserving themselves. When customers arrive, everyone in the party must provide two forms of ID to receive a self-serve beer card, which they insert into a card reader to activate the tap. They then pour a desired amount of beverage into their choice of glass.

Guests are charged by the ounce, and the cards are initially limited to 32 ounces of beer and 10 ounces of wine. Once customers reach that limit, Norris and her staff evaluate them to make sure they haven't over-imbibed.

"We ensure that you haven't overserved yourself, and we can re-activate your card for another 32 ounces," she said. ...


Woof... "limited to" 32 ounces of beer and 10 ounces of wine?

"Over-served yourself" seems like an understatement....

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-10 08:40 PM | Reply

the cards are initially limited to 32 ounces of beer and 10 ounces of wine

Four beers AND two glasses of wine? That's a lot of booze. Also, why let folks drink more beer than wine?

#2 | Posted by censored at 2022-09-10 08:52 PM | Reply

Wine generally has 3 the alcohol of beer.

#3 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-09-10 08:58 PM | Reply

x3

#4 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-09-10 08:58 PM | Reply

4 beers isn't that much over a couple three hours. Depending on the beer, I take around a half hour per pint.

Back when I thought drinking lots of beer was manly (as they do around here) I could drink two 30 packs over a weekend.

#5 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-09-10 09:01 PM | Reply

@#2 ... Also, why let folks drink more beer than wine? ...

Article explains it.

Beer is limited to 6% alcohol, wine may have higher alcohol content.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-10 09:11 PM | Reply

... 4 beers isn't that much over a couple three hours. Depending on the beer, ...

A the article notes, beer is limited to 6% or less.

No Brooklyn Brewery Black Chocolate Stout ( brooklynbrewery.com ) in sight.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-10 09:17 PM | Reply

I enjoy making beer and wine. Its not too hard to make a decent brew, wine is a bit more technical. Main thing is to keep your equipment sterile and clean. If yeast will thrive, so to will bacteria.

#8 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-09-10 09:38 PM | Reply

@#8 ... I enjoy making beer and wine

I used to brew my beer. Fun stuff.

My supplier.... www.maltoseexpress.net

One time the bubbler on the fermenting bucket clogged, resulting in a loud release of carbon dioxide at 3am.

Woke me up.

I had to clean wort off the ceiling....


Like homemade bread, there is nothing that compares to home-brewed beer.


Maybe I just like things I make that use yeast.... Hmmmm... I'm gonna have to ponder that one a bit....



#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-10 09:53 PM | Reply

They've had these in Minnesota for quite a while. These aren't the type of establishments people go to get wasted in. They are rare and upscale.

#10 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-09-11 10:43 AM | Reply

It would be a one time novelty to me. After the buzz wore off, I'd be back on the couch.

#11 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-09-11 10:49 AM | Reply

"Four beers AND two glasses of wine? "

#2 | POSTED BY CENSORED

That's 2 pints of beer.

#12 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-11 11:12 AM | Reply

Went to a bar like this on Long Island. IIRC you paid for X ounces and they handed you a card that you scanned for each tap. Tell the tap how many oz to pour and enjoy. They limited how many oz you could buy at a time to keep an eye on how drunk you get.

Cool place. I really enjoyed the concept.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-11 12:13 PM | Reply

Beer is limited to 6% alcohol, wine may have higher alcohol content.

#6 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2022-09-10 09:11 PM | FLAG:

"The average glass of wine contains about 11 percent to 13 percent alcohol, but bottles range from as little as 5.5 percent alcohol by volume to as much as around 20 percent ABV. When tasting wine, you'll notice alcohol comes through as heat in the back of your mouth or throat. A higher ABV wine will taste warmer and bolder, almost like a slight burning sensation on your palate."

www.realsimple.com

#14 | Posted by MSgt at 2022-09-11 12:54 PM | Reply

I enjoy making beer and wine. Its not too hard to make a decent brew, wine is a bit more technical. Main thing is to keep your equipment sterile and clean. If yeast will thrive, so to will bacteria.

#8 | POSTED BY HORSTNGRABEN AT 2022-09-10 09:38 PM | FLAG:

Nice. What is your preferred style? I generally win medals in fruit beer categories.

This business though, gross. People drink out of their glasses, then go back and refill them while rubbing the glass rim against the tap. A trained bartender will keep it sanitary and waste much less beer through foamy pours.

#15 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-09-12 08:34 AM | Reply

Hey Syncophant, where in Minnesota?
I've been to 20+ taprooms and haven't run into this.

#16 | Posted by mattm at 2022-09-12 10:02 AM | Reply

ipouritinc.com

Never mind, Google is my friend

#17 | Posted by mattm at 2022-09-12 10:05 AM | Reply

People drink out of their glasses, then go back and refill them while rubbing the glass rim against the tap. A trained bartender will keep it sanitary and waste much less beer through foamy pours.
#15 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Have you been to one? I've been to several in different cities and your description is nothing like my experience at these type of places.

I have never been to one where you reuse your glass. Most customers are trying a variety of beers. They don't expect them to drink an IPA out of the same glass they just drank a gose from.
I don't see beer being wasted. Customer pours X ounces, they get billed for X ounces. My educated guess is that the system wastes considerably less than human bartenders. The taps aren't giving away free tasters. They aren't giving a customer a different beer because they didn't like the one they ordered. They aren't drinking on the job. The taps aren't stepping away for a few seconds and letting a glass overflow.

#18 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-09-12 11:16 AM | Reply

I ate at a renowned seafood restaurant in Porto a few years back; it had a self-serve beer tap outside to accommodate people waiting in the long line to get a table. You put a euro or two in (coins only iirc) and received a sizable pour. I thought it was a great idea, but i had so many while i waited that i ended up barging into the restaurant to use their toilet.

#19 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-12 11:26 AM | Reply

Have you been to one?

#18 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE AT 2022-09-12 11:16 AM | FLAG:

Yes I have. They put several in Vegas. Not as bad as tap walls at some outdoor events I've seen, but two I have stopped in didn't seem to have enough staff for babysitting a convention crowd while I was there.

Tens of thousands of homebrewers at club meetings every weekend drink a wide variety of beers out of the same glass. Not a big deal. Just don't rub it on the sample bottles.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-09-12 02:19 PM | Reply

A few down here in San Diego are very popular a don't limit the amount you can purchase overall, from my knowledge.

Here's the kicker though! This is a genius model for the tap room's owners. There is a sizable percentage of revenue lost when pouring draft beer in the traditional sense. Many draft systems are not setup optimally, causing quite a bit of foam runoff. All that foam is actually revenue being poured down the drain to ensure a pretty looking beer with not that much head.

These tap rooms that allow customers to pour their own beer are now charging for all that foam! Genius business model, IMO.

#21 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-09-12 03:41 PM | Reply

So no bar tender?

#22 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-12 03:45 PM | Reply

"These tap rooms that allow customers to pour their own beer are now charging for all that foam! Genius business model, IMO."

Back when I was bartending I would also work with the beverage tech who would make sure the kegs and fountains were working properly. There's a lot of loss on beer when the bar doesn't stay on top of keeping the lines clean. And most bars don't, for the record. It's a lot of work. As a result I rarely, if ever, order a tap beer when I go out.

#23 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2022-09-12 03:50 PM | Reply

#21

They are charging per OZ and the foam doesn't represent many OZ's so while it will save some foam runoff I don't think it would save more than 10% on the high side probably less than that.

#24 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2022-09-12 04:02 PM | Reply

"Just don't rub it on the sample bottles."

Does that cause particulate emissions or something?

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-12 04:12 PM | Reply

-There's a lot of loss on beer when the bar doesn't stay on top of keeping the lines clean. And most bars don't, for the record. It's a lot of work. As a result I rarely, if ever, order a tap beer when I go out.

I work with a guy who worked at his dad's beer distributorship growing up.

When we were out for dinner once he saw me order a beer on tap and he frowned and said, "never order tap beer. I've seen more things come out of tap when it's being cleaned to gag you so badly you would never order another tap beer again."

Then he went on to tell a few stories........I've never ordered tap beer since.

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-12 04:23 PM | Reply

#26 I was right, it was particulate matter!

One of my friends considers himself a Soda Sommelier and he will tell a place when their lines need cleaning.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-12 04:38 PM | Reply

I swear I just saw "Pour-it-yourself Tampons"

I mean, that's sort of obvious, no?

#28 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-12 05:59 PM | Reply

There was a serve-yourself wine bar in Pasadena back in the day. I never went in but it looked pretty amazing.

#29 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-12 06:00 PM | Reply

I went to a bar in Annecy, France in August that did this. It was a great idea. So great, we went back again.

#30 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2022-09-12 06:37 PM | Reply

This place: www.beeroclock.fr

#31 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2022-09-12 06:40 PM | Reply

Does that cause particulate emissions or something?

#25 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-09-12 04:12 PM | FLAG:

Out of your -------, when you catch whatever they had.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-09-12 06:51 PM | Reply

#32 "We can't risk violating ze Geneva Conventions!"

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-12 07:37 PM | Reply

#26 Very true. I only order tap beer at places that are known for doing things right. In that situation it's ideal, otherwise cans are my go-to since they seem to spoil slower than bottled beer.

#34 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-12 07:44 PM | Reply

So no slippery ------- then?

#35 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-12 07:51 PM | Reply

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