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Monday, September 12, 2022

On Saturday, The Daily Beast reported that "just one day after several municipal deputies in Putin's hometown of St. Petersburg called on the State Duma to try the Russian leader for treason, their colleagues in Moscow joined in and demanded he steps down because his views are 'hopelessly outdated.'"

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..."The rhetoric that you and your subordinates use has been riddled with intolerance and aggression for a long time, which in the end effectively threw our country back into the Cold War era. Russia has again begun to be feared and hated, we are once again threatening the whole world with nuclear weapons," the officials wrote.

"We ask you to relieve yourself of your post due to the fact that your views and your governance model are hopelessly outdated and hinder the development of Russia and its human potential."...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-12 01:49 PM | Reply

New Russian national anthem? www.youtube.com

#2 | Posted by qcp at 2022-09-12 01:54 PM | Reply

The world should be so lucky that he leave his "post" in peace.

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-12 02:02 PM | Reply

"Noooooo!!!" - ------------

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-12 02:05 PM | Reply

Putin is out doing amusement park grand openings in Moscow. Why is he still alive?

#5 | Posted by Jaspar at 2022-09-12 02:40 PM | Reply

he is alive because he is surrounded by the Russian equivalent of
the SS keeping him that way...

any serious coup against Putin will need serious help from the
Armed Forces.

#6 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-09-12 02:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#6

After this debacle, maybe the People will get that help.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-12 02:56 PM | Reply

@#7 ... After this debacle ...

I still have a significant concern about what Pres Putin may do to strike back, how far is he willing to escalate?

I think we saw a taste of it with the Sunday night long-range missile strikes on Ukraine power plants.

If he feels cornered, what might he be willing to do? How far might he be willing to go?

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-12 03:18 PM | Reply

Invading a European country without just cause and fighting with tactics that were dated in the 1950's while committing every imaginable war crime?

Putin needs to go.

#9 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-12 03:23 PM | Reply

Ukraine war: What will Russia's losses mean for Putin?
www.bbc.com

...You can normally expect Russian state TV's flagship weekly news programme to trumpet Kremlin successes.

But Sunday's edition opened with a rare admission.

"On the frontlines of the special operation [in Ukraine], this has been the toughest week so far," declared sombre-looking anchor Dmitry Kiselev.

"It was particularly tough along the Kharkiv front, where following an onslaught by enemy forces that outnumbered ours, [Russian] troops were forced to leave towns they had previously liberated."

For "liberated", read "seized". Moscow had occupied those areas months ago, but after a lightning counter-offensive by the Ukrainian army, the Russian military has lost considerable territory in north-east Ukraine.

Still, Russian state media are putting a brave face on things. Officially, what happened in Kharkiv region isn't being referred to here as a "retreat".

"The Russian defence ministry dismissed rumours that Russian troops fled in disgrace from Balakliya, Kupiansk and Izyum," claimed the latest edition of the government paper, Rossiyskaya Gazeta. "They didn't flee. This was a pre-planned regrouping."

In tabloid Moskovsky Komsomolets, a military analyst took a different view: "It's already clear that we underestimated the enemy. [Russian forces] took too long to react and the collapse came ... As a result, we suffered a defeat and tried to minimise the loss by withdrawing our troops so they weren't surrounded."

This "defeat" has sparked anger on pro-Russian social media channels and among "patriotic" Russian bloggers, who have accused their military of making mistakes.

So has the powerful leader of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov.

"If today or tomorrow no changes in strategy are made," Mr Kadyrov warned, "I will be forced to speak with the leadership of the defence ministry and the leadership of the country to explain the real situation on the ground to them. It's a very interesting situation. It's astounding."...


#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-12 03:53 PM | Reply

Vote Putin out of office--it's simple...

#11 | Posted by catdog at 2022-09-12 06:38 PM | Reply

Where's TheFatPustle telling us all it's Ukraine's fault they were invaded.
Oh, and Russia looks like fools. Good going, Dopey McGee.

#12 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-12 06:48 PM | Reply

Does Russia really want to lose every man they have between 20 and 30?

Putin is fine with this.

#13 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-12 07:34 PM | Reply

I think most of us agree that Putin needs to go,
but 'a coup without teeth, is just old men mumbling
and grumbling in the dark'.

If parts of Russia are serious about deposing Vlad,
they need to find some troops willing to fix bayonets
and fight for the cause. Otherwise, all else is just
disgruntled rhetoric.

In many nations, a surge in calls to resign would be enough to cause a swell
in dissatisfaction that could lead to a revolt.

But this is Mother Russia we are talking about...
the 'official stomper of posies and dreams of a better future'.
It will take something nastier to implement change
there.

#14 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-09-13 06:49 AM | Reply

EARTHMUSE

Or . . . Maybe Putin has become more civilized lately and won't arrange to have them all "fall" out of windows.

These detractors are walking on extremely dangerous ground.

#15 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-09-13 06:59 AM | Reply

As far as he can.

#16 | Posted by Rumpelstiltskin at 2022-09-13 08:25 AM | Reply

Trump was still calling his master "smart" a week ago. But then, what does he know about smart?

#17 | Posted by cbob at 2022-09-13 12:04 PM | Reply

A lot of the people calling for Putin to be removed are even more rabidly aggressive than he is. They want to escalate the war even more and see Putin as "too soft" on the Ukraine.

As far as Putin being removed?

Be careful what you wish for.

The new guy might be Far Worse.

#18 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-13 12:31 PM | Reply

i just came here to see ponce posers eyes roll around in his head like dice.

#19 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-09-13 12:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

i just came here to see ponce posers eyes roll around in his head like dice.

#19 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2022-09-13 12:38 PM | FLAG:

He's like a rickroll. He never lets you down. Or deserts you.

#20 | Posted by cbob at 2022-09-13 12:47 PM | Reply

A lot of the people calling for Putin to be removed are even more rabidly aggressive than he is. They want to escalate the war even more and see Putin as "too soft" on the Ukraine.

#18 | Posted by Effeteposer

Sure they are. The guy who insists the war is about nazis says so.

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-13 01:00 PM | Reply

"Sure they are."

I saw coverage of at least one article in Russia arguing that Putin's error was in claiming this wasn't a war and that he has to begin conscription and escalation in order to win. That argument was out flanking him from the right.

#22 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2022-09-13 01:03 PM | Reply

I saw coverage of at least one article in Russia arguing that Putin's error was in claiming this wasn't a war and that he has to begin conscription and escalation in order to win. That argument was out flanking him from the right.

#22 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

He didn't just claim it wasn't a war, he locked up anyone who said the word WAR.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-13 01:49 PM | Reply

in response...

"Or . . . Maybe Putin has become more civilized lately and won't arrange to have them all "fall" out of windows.
These detractors are walking on extremely dangerous ground.
#15 | POSTED BY TWINPAC AT 2022-09-13 06:59 AM | REPLY"

...that's the problem with flinging people out the window.
Fling one or two, and a nation will largely turn the other way
or fail to notice.

Fling 17 out windows, and a nation sits up and takes notice...

Putin's problem is that the nation is starting to sit up and notice.
Information from outside sources that the war isn't going so well, is
starting to trickle in. People are looking at Putin now, to see his response.
And it's tough to hide people 'flung out the window' if there is a spotlight on
your actions.

#24 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-09-13 02:04 PM | Reply

EARTHMUSE

I know what you're saying but Putin's past history of disposing threats to his reign speaks for itself. No hyperbole needed.

#25 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-09-13 02:24 PM | Reply

true enough...

But further blatant acts of repression (through death),
may only serve to 'further rile up the masses in Russia'.

Putin has to walk a very thin line. There is far more
scrutiny going on in Russia now, than there has been since
he took office.

#26 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-09-14 10:08 AM | Reply

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