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Tuesday, September 13, 2022

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) is set to unveil a new bill Tuesday that aims to restrict abortion access nationwide, a politically risky move ...

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#1 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-13 09:43 AM | Reply

It's the intellectually honest move. If abortion is murder then state boundaries shouldn't be a reason to not prevent a life from being taken.

#2 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2022-09-13 09:49 AM | Reply

It's the intellectually honest move.

Actually Hag, it's a completely dishonest move coming from the party who've claimed for decades that Roe was wrongly decided because it took away the states' ability to legislate abortion within each's boundaries. The GOP has lived on the premise that abortion rights MUST BE left up to the states, not the federal government, remember?

This is the ultimate Republican hypocrisy when faced with the reality that even red state women want the government out of their personal healthcare decisions.

But it was something inevitable and predicted to happen once the pro-choice movement got their footing post Dobbs. The GOP wants to control women, period - regardless of whatever excuses they've previously given or lines that they've previously drawn.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-13 10:00 AM | Reply

"The GOP has lived on the premise that abortion rights MUST BE left up to the states, not the federal government, remember?"

Yeah, that was always the dishonest position because they knew that it would take decades to be able to lay the groundwork for a nation wide ban. So they lulled people into a false sense of security because it let people believe "it can't happen here" while they worked diligently to get us where we are today.

#4 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2022-09-13 10:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Proposing a national 15-20 week ban is a political ploy to make the Republicans look like saviors from the chaos their own Dobbs ruling has created.

Since it's not going to stop red states from banning far earlier than 15-20 weeks, it serves a dual purpose of being a targeted effort to remove the ability of blue states to craft their own abortion policy.

Republicans are scum.

#5 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-13 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Headline is a lie.

The proposed legislation allows for abortion during the first 15 weeks.

"Actually Hag, it's a completely dishonest move coming from the party who've claimed for decades that Roe was wrongly decided because it took away the states' ability to legislate abortion within each's boundaries. The GOP has lived on the premise that abortion rights MUST BE left up to the states, not the federal government, remember?"

That's not exactly the case. The contention was that SCOTUS took the issue away from the people and legislated from the bench. Absent a federal law it's an issue to be settled at the state level.

#6 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-13 11:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#5 The states are either bound by this law or they are not. In this case I don't see it surviving a Senate filibuster and if it did it won't pass a Dem-controlled House and it absolutely won't be signed by Biden.

This is a political move to get Democrats to defend late term abortions. Fact is, according to polling 15 weeks is an extremely popular place to draw a line in the sand. This is pretty good politicking.

#7 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-13 11:11 AM | Reply

-The GOP has lived on the premise that abortion rights MUST BE left up to the states, not the federal government, remember?

that's not really what I've heard from loyal lifelong republicans.

It's more like, "abortion is murder...save the children". The nuance of it being a states right thing is from a more narrow group of folks who actually pretend to give a ---- HOW we criminalize abortion.

most just want us to criminalize it....they don't even pretend to care how.

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-13 11:23 AM | Reply

Are the democrats going to introduce their own bill?

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-13 11:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Good. Let the GOP demonstrate what its for. That way the American people know exactly what they are enabling when they vote GOP, vote third party, or sit at home on their apathetic butts.

#10 | Posted by censored at 2022-09-13 11:26 AM | Reply

-Fact is, according to polling 15 weeks is an extremely popular place to draw a line in the sand

It's that 96% line and the 4% that occur after are for reasons being accounted for also in this bill, correct?

Are the dems going to vote against unless it's moved to 20+ weeks?

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-13 11:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Democrats should vote against it and propose their own bill to keep abortions safe and legal, regardless of why it's being preformed or how many weeks the mother has been pregnant.

It's no one's business but the mother's as to how she chooses to live her life.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-13 11:46 AM | Reply

"Democrats should vote against it and propose their own bill to keep abortions safe and legal, regardless of why it's being preformed or how many weeks the mother has been pregnant."

That's exactly what the GOP is trying to get them to do but Dems don't want to go fully on the record for the part in bold because after 15 weeks purely elective abortion is extremely unpopular.

#13 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-13 12:25 PM | Reply

-propose their own bill to keep abortions safe and legal, regardless of why it's being preformed or how many weeks the mother has been pregnant.

what is the popular opinion on something like that? no mention of circumstances nor any time frame?

Basically, legalize abortions for any reason and whenever?

You're suggesting that? LOL

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-13 12:28 PM | Reply

The states are either bound by this law or they are not.

You don't get it, as usual. Graham's previous versions of the bill merely criminalized abortion after a particular temporal threshold. They did not restrict states from implementing more stringent bans. The net effect of that is to allow -------- red states to ban abortion however they like, but to preclude blue states from being more permissive than whatever Graham deems appropriate.

#15 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-13 12:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In this case I don't see it surviving a Senate filibuster and if it did it won't pass a Dem-controlled House and it absolutely won't be signed by Biden.

In other words, just like everything Republicans do these days, it's a bad faith political ploy and not a serious attempt to govern.

#16 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-13 12:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"what is the popular opinion on something like that? no mention of circumstances nor any time frame?"

Only busybodies care about that stuff, Eberly.
Yes, you're a busybody, along with 80 million other Republicans.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-13 12:36 PM | Reply

-Graham's previous versions of the bill merely criminalized abortion after a particular temporal threshold. They did not restrict states from implementing more stringent bans.

And this version? the same?

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-13 12:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"after 15 weeks purely elective abortion is extremely unpopular."

With whom?

Remember when Roe gave states the right to criminalize late-term abortion?
That just wasn't good enough for Republicans, so instead Republicans gave states the right to criminalize abortion at any point.
Which is probably the most unpopular thing Republicans have ever done -- though perhaps freeing the slaves was worse.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-13 12:39 PM | Reply

#18 It's not released yet but it has the same name and there's no reason to believe it will be different.

#20 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-13 12:40 PM | Reply

Here's what Graham said about his soon to be released bill at the Capitol today:

"I think we should have a law on the books that says after 15 weeks, no abortion on demand except in cases of rape, ------, to save the life of the mother, and that should be where America's at."
In other words, just like i said, -------- red states can ban abortion outright or be more strict than 15 weeks, but blue states cannot be more permissive than 15 weeks. "States rights" my ass.

#21 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-13 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

20

thanks. This is what I wouldn't like about it...meaning that if a state wanted to narrow it further, this law would allow them to do it.

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-13 12:44 PM | Reply

Sounds like a losing proposition for the GOP. Thank you for the incompetence LOL....and right before midterms. Brilliant!

Oh, and what happened to States deciding what they wanted to do? Hmmmmmmm......

#23 | Posted by brass30 at 2022-09-13 12:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Democrats should...........propose their own bill to keep abortions safe and legal, regardless of why it's being preformed or how many weeks the mother has been pregnant."

Dems should not do anything but sit back and let the GOP destroy itself.........

#24 | Posted by brass30 at 2022-09-13 12:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"after 15 weeks purely elective abortion is extremely unpopular."

All medical treatment is elective. Like the COVID 19 vaccines you took, for example.
So every abortions is an elective abortion.
But some abortions are medically indicated.
That means the abortion is necessary to protect the health of the mother.

Tell us, how many abortions at 15 weeks and later are medically indicated?

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-13 12:59 PM | Reply

From TheHill.com: Graham, who previously said abortion decisions should be left up to states, on Tuesday said elected officials have the power to define and regulate abortion, including in Congress.

More from Graham: "We should have a law at the federal level," Graham said during a briefing. "If we take the House and Senate, I can assure you we'll have a vote."

So he broadcasting this plan? NOW?

How is that going to help the GOP in the midterms? Abortion issue has already given the Dems a bump in the polls, and this is only going to add more IMO.

#26 | Posted by brass30 at 2022-09-13 01:15 PM | Reply

The contention was that SCOTUS took the issue away from the people and legislated from the bench. Absent a federal law it's an issue to be settled at the state level.
#6 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Lol what a duplicitous pos.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-13 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The text of Graham's bad faith purple and blue state abortion ban is out. It contains a rebuttable presumption that---------- victims have consented to sexual intercourse, in that it requires them to show proof the rape was reported prior to receiving an abortion.

Republicans are scum.

#28 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-13 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

If a ten year old girl becomes pregnant as a result of being raped, the Lindsey Grahams of the world are going to require her to prove she reported the rape, lest her abortion be some recreational enterprise.

Scum.

#29 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-13 02:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

A national ban was always their plan. Anyone saying otherwise is either foolish or purposefully being disingenuous.

#30 | Posted by qcp at 2022-09-13 03:51 PM | Reply

This proposed bill is an attempt at damage control. It won't work because people, especially women, will see through it.

The dog has caught the bus and now that it has, it doesn't know what to do with it.

#31 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2022-09-13 05:25 PM | Reply

RCade's site now censors "ten year old rape victims" even though they are unequivocally harmed by mainstream Republican policy. What a rotting dumpster this site has become.

#32 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-13 08:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why do people have abortions later in pregnancy?

Non-Medical Reasons: Individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy for a number of reasons. As part of the Turnaway study out of the University of California San Francisco, from 2008-2010 over 440 women were asked about why they experienced delays in obtaining abortion care, if any (Figure 2). Almost half of individuals who obtained an abortion after 20 weeks did not suspect they were pregnant until later in pregnancy, and other barriers to care included lack of information about where to access an abortion, transportation difficulties, lack of insurance coverage and inability to pay for the procedure. This is unsurprising, given abortions can be cost-prohibitive for many; in a study from 2011-2012, the median cost of a surgical abortion at 10 weeks was $495, jumping to $1,350 at 20 weeks (range $750-$5,000) excluding the cost of travel and lost wages. Yet the Federal Reserve Board found 40% of U.S. adults do not have enough in savings to pay for a $400 emergency expense, meaning many individuals may need to delay having an abortion until they can raise the necessary funds.

Fetal Anomalies: Individuals also seek abortions later in pregnancy due to medical reasons. With medical advances, many genetic fetal anomalies can be detected early in pregnancy; for example, chorionic villus sampling can diagnose Down Syndrome or cystic fibrosis as earlier as 10 weeks gestation. Structural fetal anomalies, however, are often detected much later in pregnancy. As part of routine care, a fetal anatomy scan is performed around 20 weeks, which entails ultrasound imaging of all the developing organs. Many structural anomalies are discovered at this time that would not have been apparent previously. A proportion of these are lethal fetal anomalies, meaning that the fetus will almost certainly die before or shortly after birth, meaning the fetus may be nonviable.2 In these cases, many individuals wish to terminate their pregnancies, rather than carrying the pregnancy until the fetus or newborn passes away. Very often these pregnancies are desired, making this decision exceedingly difficult for parents. Inadequate data exist to know how many abortions later in pregnancy occur due to fetal anomalies, but a study by Washington University Hospital showed almost all women whose fetuses had lethal fetal anomalies chose to terminate their pregnancies. www.kff.org

#33 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2022-09-13 10:22 PM | Reply

Men like him want to keep women at home because they can't stand the competition in the workforce.

#34 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2022-09-14 09:37 AM | Reply

Ashbey Beasley, who said she had learned of her baby's fatal fetal abnormality at 16 weeks.

Graham's bill provides exceptions for abortions after 15 weeks when the pregnancy threatens the life of the mother and for rape - though the rape victim must have sought medical treatment and counseling for the trauma at least 48 hours prior to her abortion.

Just as the event was wrapping up Beasley spoke up and demanded Graham tell her what her family was meant to do when she had an abortion at 16 weeks after finding out her baby had a fatal abnormality.

'We were allowed to make that choice for him,' Beasley said of her son's abortion. 'You would be robbing that choice from millions of women.'

Graham, visibly thrown off, replied: 'The world has pretty much spoken on this issue ... doctors say at this stage of the pregnancy the child feels pain, and we're saying we're going to join the rest of the world and not be like Iran.'

'As to your particular case, there will be exceptions,' he added.

Beasley countered that she saw no exception 'for a baby born with an anomaly.'

'There are 55,000 abortions after the 15-week period and we are resolved to get America back in line with the rest of the world and we won't know where America is until we vote, until we debate,' Graham maintained.

So, he totally IGNORED the woman's question and mansplains horribly. We will be JUST LIKE IRAN with his bill. Iran's new law severely restricts access to abortion, contraception, voluntary sterilization services and related information.

This is where the GQP is taking us. Lady Lindsay is too stupid to know any of this.

#35 | Posted by Enlightened at 2022-09-14 09:45 AM | Reply

Headline is a lie.
The proposed legislation allows for abortion during the first 15 weeks.

#6 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Love how THIS is your issue with it. Hypocrisy on states' rights? Nah. Jeff simply doesn't like the headline.

#36 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-09-14 09:51 AM | Reply

This is a nationwide BAN on abortion. Period.

Jeff's attempt to say it's not a ban if it happens after 15 weeks is what's dishonest.

This just proves Jeff (like almost all right-wingers in America these days) can't tell the difference between a lie and a fact.

That anyone on the right thinks they have any standing on calling out "lie!" is laughable.

#37 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-14 09:57 AM | Reply

Oh, and by the way - THANK YOU, Lindsey!

We really appreciate you!

#38 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-14 10:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Would you call it a ban if it was allowed up to 22 weeks?

Fact is, 15 weeks is a very popular threshold, which is why the left and people like Yav are lying about it.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-14 10:31 AM | Reply

"Fact is, 15 weeks is a very popular threshold"

So don't have an abortion after 15 weeks if its such a great number to you.

#40 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2022-09-14 10:36 AM | Reply

15 weeks is a very popular threshold

Even taking that as true, Graham's proposal doesn't preclude states from enacting bans that are stricter than 15 weeks. It simply makes 15 the maximum allowable by law.

#41 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-14 10:51 AM | Reply

The worst part about the GOP not knowing anything about abortion?

The GOP is not capable of learning anything about abortion.

Anyone think Eberly and Miranda7 are more informed than they were before Dobbs?

(I picked those two because they can use full sentences. Paragraphs, even. They don't immediately strike you as a lost cause.)

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-14 11:27 AM | Reply

FYI democrats have proposed their own bill.

Which obviously has no chance (either) in this Congress.

Democrats Schedule Votes on Abortion Access, but Lack a Legislative Path

Jul 11, 2022 " Democrats in Congress are under pressure to act after the Supreme Court's decision. But with ...

Poor republicans. All I can say is they never should have touch that rail. But I don't feel sorry for them. Not one tiny bit.

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-14 11:29 AM | Reply

Women were already having almost all abortions at less than 15 weeks.

Thanks, Trumpism, for putting the State above individual responsibility.

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-14 11:59 AM | Reply

Nancy Pelosi: There are those in the Republican Party who think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.
I'll just leave this right here and exit stage left, just like Spud would do.

#45 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-14 02:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Keep it up fascist and no woman will vote for you.

#46 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2022-09-14 03:49 PM | Reply

One problem is that the people writing these laws are ignorant of the biology of pregnancy. What other standard medical procedure is regulated by laws like this? Do any of them apply to men? How is this "equal protection under the law"?

#47 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2022-09-14 04:30 PM | Reply

Oh, I forgot. Republicants hate the 14th Amendment.

#48 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2022-09-14 04:32 PM | Reply

Keep it up fascist and no woman will vote for you.

#46 | POSTED BY WILDMAN62

They're used to women not wanting anything to do with them. This will be no different.

#49 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-14 09:34 PM | Reply

15 weeks is a very popular threshold

Even taking that as true, Graham's proposal doesn't preclude states from enacting bans that are stricter than 15 weeks. It simply makes 15 the maximum allowable by law.

#41 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-14 10:51 AM | Reply

Graham's plan was for this to be a panacea to the outrage women are feeling now at being told they have to get sick, hospitalized and maybe die to carry a dead fetus around to satiate the craven desires of old white men to control their bodies.

It does nothing to moderate the extreme christo fascist laws of the american taliban. He is only hoping that a significant number of women will believe his lies that he cares about them.

Just like everything else, he is pushing a hard christofascist agenda installing christian sharia laws with no regard to the rights of women at all. He is hoping this do nothing bill will fool the voters. In the end it serves only one purpose...to install sharia law nationwide ban and further take away rights guaranteed women in blue states.

Its just another talking point lie. That is all he is good for. He cannot even be honest with himself let alone the american public.

#50 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-09-15 06:54 AM | Reply

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