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Saturday, September 17, 2022

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Friday criticized Russia's war in Ukraine while meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin face-to-face while both were in Uzbekistan for the Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit.

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PM Modi's remarks were quite restrained.

India is looking seriously at becoming a customer of Russia's fossil fuels so, while his comments were not adulation for Pres Putin, they were restrained in their critique.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-17 11:59 AM | Reply

If Putin wins Modi won't say anything bad about the war. He's covering his ass. He wouldn't be buying so much oil and other products from Russia if there was any real issue with the war itself.

It's all theater for the sanction police in the West,Xi's so called censure is also just mouthing the proper pieties to keep the western elites quiet and unruffled, if possible.

When they stop buying,that's when Russia should worry.

#2 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-17 12:19 PM | Reply

From the cited article...

...China and India have close ties with Moscow " and have continued to buy its oil, gas and coal as Western nations moved to cut their purchases " but foreign policy experts and Russia watchers say that the war in Ukraine appears to be driving a major wedge in relations.

"Having been thrashed on battlefield, Putin is getting thrashed at conference table, too. Doesn't take much clairvoyance to see that Xi, Modi, and others are deeply annoyed by fallout from Russia's war in Ukraine. Stunning erosion of Russia's -- and Putin's -- diplomatic position," Hal Brands, a professor of global affairs at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies, said in a tweet.

"Nobody likes losers, and he's losing now in Ukraine," Michael McFaul, the former US ambassador to Russia, said in an appearance on MSNBC on Thursday. ...


Pres Xi has his party's huge conference next month, and he has to face it not only with difficulties on the home front ut also his alignment with a losing regime in Russia. While I suspect Pres Xi will get through the conference with his title intact, the journey might not be as easy as it could have been.


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-17 12:33 PM | Reply

It's all solvable by Russia winning. If they lose everybody is going to cut them loose. Duh?

If Hitler had won history would not call the Nazis criminals. Nobody likes a loser.

That's why Bush and Cheney are free men,great statesmen to some and will never be held to account at all.

It's really why the US military budget is what it is.

Buying credibility is a world wide phenomenon.

Russia's too poor to do it.

#4 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-17 12:58 PM | Reply

@#4 ... It's all solvable by Russia winning. ...

Why should Pres Putin be allowed to "win" his unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine?



#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-17 01:04 PM | Reply

For Russia's Putin, military and diplomatic pressures mount
apnews.com

...Pressure on Russian President Vladimir Putin mounted on the battlefield and in the halls of global power as Ukrainian troops pushed their counteroffensive Saturday to advance farther into Ukraine's partly recaptured northeast.

At a high-level summit in Uzbekistan, Putin vowed to press his attack on Ukraine despite recent military setbacks but also faced concerns by India and China over the drawn-out conflict. ...

The hurried retreat of Russian troops this month from parts of a northeast region they occupied early in the war, together with the rare public reservations expressed by key allies, underscored the challenges that Putin faces on all fronts. Both China and India have maintained strong ties with Russia and had sought to remain neutral on Ukraine.

Xi, in a statement, expressed support for Russia's "core interests" but also wanted to work together to "inject stability" into world affairs. Modi said he wanted to discuss "how we can move forward on the path of peace," adding that the biggest concerns facing the world are the problems of food security, fuel security and fertilizers.

"We must find some way out and you too must contribute to that," Modi stressed in a rare public rebuke.

The comments cast a shadow over a summit that Putin had hoped would burnish his diplomatic status and show he was not so internationally isolated....


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-17 01:06 PM | Reply

It's all solvable by Russia winning.

It's also all solvable by Putin ending this idiotic war of his.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-17 01:23 PM | Reply

How long did it take for the US to end Vietnam? Afghanistan? Iraq. Russia is not gonna stop until they eke out some kind of win. This war is way more important to them than Iraq or Vietnam were to the US.

The sooner they get some kind of satisfaction the sooner the killing stops.

That is the goal, right? To stop the killing?

Or is it to destroy Russia? That's a whole other thing than just saving lives.

It's an aggressive war all in itself brokered by NATO.

The the Russians were just too stupid to see the trap.

If they were smart they would have recognized the Donbass as independent states and pressured the UN for peacekeepers.

They could have been a total pain in the ass without going to war at all.

Another lost opportunity. Militarism usually results in many of those.

Russian War Mongering is stupid too.

But the Ukrainian's needed to stop shelling and killing their own people and the West was ignoring the horrors being done.

Russia made the same mistake NATO did in Serbia.

They should have gone through the UN,had peacekeeping forces deployed and stopped the atrocities that way.

But NATO themselves set the precedent for War.

Putin just learned the wrong lesson from that.

#8 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-17 01:44 PM | Reply

@#8 ... That is the goal, right? To stop the killing? ...

The goal is for Pres Putin to stop his unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine, and return all occupied Ukraine territory to Ukraine.

The killing should have never started, but Pres Putin started the killing with his unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine.


#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-17 02:43 PM | Reply

UNPROVOKED?

Was NATO unprovoked when they bombed Serbia? Russia was trying to stop atrocities being committed. That may not have been their only objective. But it wasn't nothing either.

Why so little concern about the people of Donetsk and Luhansk? Are their lives not worth considering?

The war was easily the stupidest thing Putin ever did, but it was not unprovoked.

The more you repeat that the stupider you seem.

NATO has been crowding Russia for years. It's not like the Russians were shy about saying so.

This war could have been prevented altogether if Biden had even talked to the Russians in any serious way. But No, America doesn't listen,

Hegemons rarely do.

Only two conclusions can be drawn from This.

Either they wanted war all along or they were so deluded, they believed Russia would be detered by the sanctions that Biden himself said wouldn't prevent war.

My guess is they wanted a proxy war all along.

That doesn't show much concern for the Ukrainian people, especially given that NATO membership was years off at best for them.

The US State Department played both Russia and the Ukraine.

Now thousands are dead for a fraud.

I agree with Roger Waters,Biden is a war criminal.

#10 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-17 04:30 PM | Reply

- Only two conclusions can be drawn from This.

Three.

You're an idiot.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-17 04:34 PM | Reply

I knew something like that was coming. Can you actually refute my reasoning? I'm listening.

Tell me what else really makes sense of the US NATO response to the Russian buildup before the war?

Russia wanted to have diplomatic talks about this before the shooting started.

They asked repeatedly for high level meetings.

Given the stakes involved, why not at least talk to them? Maybe nothing would be have been resolved and the war would have happened anyway,but at least they could have tried?

Instead the Russians got arrogant dismissals of their core concerns, and sanctions.

You're the idiot if you think the Russians were going to just eat that.

Western arrogance was what caused this war,as much as Putin's stupidity.

The UN, Properly engaged, was the correct way to deal with this impasse.

Both sides would have been disgruntled, but thousands of deaths and the destruction of the Ukrainian infrastructure could have been avoided.

Nobody's hands are clean here.

#12 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-17 04:45 PM | Reply

@#10 ... UNPROVOKED? ...

Yes, UNPROVOKED.

... NATO has been crowding Russia for years. ... ,/i>

The sovereign countries of Europe chose to join NATO, partly because of a concern about an aggressive Russia. Pres Putin has convinced them that their concern was a valid one.

NATO did not invade Russia.

Pres Putin chose to do an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine for the purpose of annexing and eliminating Ukraine.

One result of that unprovoked invasion is that two more sovereign countries of Europe now want to join NATO as a defense against an aggressive Russia.


#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-17 04:46 PM | Reply

- Can you actually refute my reasoning?

What reasoning?

Vlad lied to you about Nazis running Ukraine, and you are gullible enough to believe him.

Which required zero reasoning.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-17 04:52 PM | Reply

No, NATO created the conditions that precipitated the war they were trying to avoid.

NATO hasn't prevented war,obviously. It's failed utterly at it's intended mission.

Putin was rash. There was much they could have done short of war. But you are refusing to even acknowledge the role the Ukrainian killing of their OWN ------- PEOPLE had on this situation.

The shelling of the Donbass by Ukrainian paramilitaries was actually heavier leading up to the invasion in February than it had been in a long time.

That's the opposite of diplomacy. You can stop up you ears and scream UNPROVOKED all day long.

It doesn't change what's going on.

Neither does your propaganda about expanding the Russian federation to be the USSR reborn.

None of which fit the facts on the ground.

#15 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-17 05:00 PM | Reply

@#12 ... Western arrogance was what caused this war,as much as Putin's stupidity. ...

Pres Putin was the one who did an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine. That is what caused the war. Ukraine was not attacking Russia. Russia attacked Ukraine.

As much as your comments try to deflect the blame for the war onto others, that will not change the fact that Pres Putin did an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine for the purpose of annexing and eliminating Ukraine.


Article by Vladimir Putin "On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians (July 2021)
web.archive.org

...During the recent Direct Line, when I was asked about Russian-Ukrainian relations, I said that Russians and Ukrainians were one people " a single whole. These words were not driven by some short-term considerations or prompted by the current political context. It is what I have said on numerous occasions and what I firmly believe. I therefore feel it necessary to explain my position in detail and share my assessments of today's situation....

You will note that there is no mention of NATO in Pres Putin's essay describing how Ukraine should not exist because Russia and Ukraine are one.


#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-17 05:06 PM | Reply

Why no talks before the war started?

Russia wanted meetings at the highest level?

If Biden really wanted to prevent a terrible war why not at least try?

Why encourage the Ukrainian's shelling and violence against their own?

Why not push the Ukrainian regime to implement the Minsk Accords? Which even Putin said was the best chance for lasting peace.

Go ahead and dismiss everything that doesn't fit your simplistic narrative. But NATO isn't a force for peace and there are thousands dead and thousands more still to die to prove it.

#17 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-17 05:10 PM | Reply

Assuming what you say is absolutely true. That Putin really believed this and was prepared to act on it. Why would you push NATO membership at the Ukrainian's knowing what could happen?

At the very least that was political malpractice. Certainly reason to deny Ukraine consideration for NATO membership until this could be resolved.

It still reeks of cultural arrogance, they KNEW how important this was to Russia's sphere of influence and they knew that the Russians were willing to fight about it.

So again, how was this unprovoked? I still see obvious provocation even acknowledging your constant harping on Putin's belief in
Ukrainian and Russian unity.

Given that he published articles that you keep bringing up as relevant why provoke them needlessly? Given that the Ukraine was years or decades from being accepted by NATO?

The fact is they wanted to punish the Russians,economically and militarily and they wanted the Ukrainian's to do the hard part for them. That's why they armed them to the teeth leading up to the whole buildup.

That's why they encouraged violence against the Donbass.

You're not convincing.

#18 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-17 05:26 PM | Reply

@#17 ... Why no talks before the war started? ...

The war started when Pres Putin did an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine for the purpose of annexing and eliminating Ukraine. For years Pres Putin has been saying that Ukraine should not exist. Indeed, he said as much to fmr Pres Bush in 2008.

Everything you are raising is merely a deflection from the strategy of Pres Putin, a strategy that has considered Ukraine not to exist.

Russia was not invaded, Ukraine was invaded.

Russia is the aggressor.

Pres Putin can stop the war today if he wanted to by pulling back his invasion troops and giving back the parts of Ukraine he took from a sovereign Ukraine.


#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-17 05:28 PM | Reply


@#18 ... So again, how was this unprovoked? ...

Ukraine did not invade Russia. Ukraine made no military incursion into Russia.

Pres Putin invaded a sovereign Ukraine, unprovoked. There was a military incursion of Russian troops into Ukraine.

Pres Putin has been saying for years that he wanted Russia and Ukraine to be one. That and that alone is the reason for his unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine. Everything else being talked about is little more than deflection attempts.

Pres Putin thinks that Russia and Ukraine should be one, with no country of Ukraine existing.

By his unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine, Pres Putin has now made Europe more aware of his aggressive tendencies and may wind up with an even longer (much longer) border with NATO. If that occurs, he will have only himself to blame.

Pres Putin's greed backfired on him.

His few days-long war to take over Ukraine is now in its sixth month, and Russia is not doing well.

Most of the world has turned against him. The two significant countries that are trying to stay neutral have been criticizing him in private,, while offering restrained comments in public.

Politicians in Russia are beginning to question Pres Putin's greedy quest for Ukraine.

All because of Pres Putin's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine.


#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-17 05:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Putin was rash

Tell that to the mothers of the Ukrainian, and Russian, kids who have died, "He was rash." as if that exonerates his ruthless invasion.

NATO and the US didn't invade anybody, at least not this time. But Vlad did, and he'd be staying; taking territory.

Which is not something you can usually say about whatever recent Western military altercations you want to make equal to this land grab by oligarchs.

You do know that oligarchs are not friends of leftists, right, Moneywar?

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-17 06:41 PM | Reply

NATO and the US didn't invade anybody, at least not this time.

NATO does not have any offensive war plans, everything they train and practice for are defensive tactics. That's why it exists - to defend the territorial integrity of its members from the aggressions on non-members.

#22 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-17 07:09 PM | Reply

Modi notes that Pootey is a weirdo loser and that he dresses badly.

Also pretty funny that Russia's military is so incompetent that even India tells them that they're just embarrassing themselves and should go home.

#23 | Posted by censored at 2022-09-17 07:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

One trick pony. UNPROVOKED, UNPROVOKED,UNPROVOKED. SOVEREIGN,SOVEREIGN,SOVERIEGN. My God man.

Please. Putin was foolish and I am not down with the war as he has waged it.

But you're assertion of unprovoked is wrong, blood was being shed daily by the Ukrainian's on the front lines in the Donbass.

The Ukrainian's aren't the silence of the lambs. They were being evil bastards to their own Russian speaking people.

Was it an excuse? Maybe.

But there was some provocation.

#24 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-17 10:41 PM | Reply

Putin was foolish and I am not down with the war as he has waged it.

Good to see reality is finally setting in.

#25 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-17 10:42 PM | Reply

#22 Serbia was Not a member and it's territorial integrity was BROKEN by NATO. Kosovo was forcibly hacked off of Serbia and given to an Albanian drug gang, the KLA. Organ harvesting was also a big business with the KLA.

Not wholesome types.

NATO bombed and destabilized Libya.Another non member.

NATO is more offensive than not

#26 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-17 10:47 PM | Reply

LOL. Broken record strikes again.

#27 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-17 10:49 PM | Reply

- there was some provocation.

Great comfort for all the dead kids on both sides.

Vlad didn't need any provocation to try to steal another country... one of many on his list.

Well, up until recently. Apparently the Russian military is crap.

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-17 11:51 PM | Reply

Putin has already lost the war.

What's happening now is just a really messy mop-up operation. Putin can end it immediately of course, all he has to do is withdraw all troops from Ukraine, including Crimea. At this point, that would be his smartest possible move, it would save many orc lives.

But the war is already permanently lost for Ruzzia. The attempt to delay NATO expansion failed, Sweden and Finland already joined, and once the orcs are forced out, Ukraine will too.

#29 | Posted by DarkVader at 2022-09-18 09:05 AM | Reply

@#24 ... One trick pony. UNPROVOKED, UNPROVOKED,UNPROVOKED. SOVEREIGN,SOVEREIGN,SOVERIEGN. ...

That's the best description I've seen so far, in spite of all the deflection attempts your alias has made, e.g., trying to blame NATO for Putin's aggression.

Short and to the point.

Pres Putin's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine in order to annex Ukraine and eliminate Ukraine.

#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-18 10:58 AM | Reply

Dumb.

#31 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-18 01:32 PM | Reply

There's no "winning" with a war like the one Putin has declared on Ukraine.

There's only a question of which country will he invade next.

#32 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-19 04:19 PM | Reply

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