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Saturday, September 17, 2022

Drew Gilpin Faust: Who else can't read cursive? I asked the class. The answer: about two-thirds. And who can't write it? Even more. What did they do about signatures?

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Cursive is an annoying waste of time.

And yes I can read it and I do sign my name using it.

....what?

........in order to read the original bill of rights one must be able to read English and in.......sonofa......fine keep teaching kinds how to read it.

#1 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-17 01:11 PM | Reply

Just make an app for it.

Gen Z learns everything on YouTube, Pinterest and other apps.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-17 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Umm apparently there are a lot of things gen Zers have never bothered to learn.

But no worries. Because fortunately for them is probably an app for it somewhere.

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-17 01:44 PM | Reply

........in order to read the original bill of rights one must be able to read English and in.......sonofa......fine keep teaching kinds how to read it.

#1 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2022-09-17 01:11 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Holy ----, has nobody ever thought to translate it to print? Holy ---- we better teach kids to read it then! It's important to be able to read historical documents without having to rely on translators! How's your Aramaic? We need to teach them Coptic as well we CAN'T RELY ON PEOPLE WHO WENT TO SCHOOL TO STUDY THINGS WE ALL NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING OURSELVES!!!

(Oh, by the way, cursive as it's still uselessly taught in some places these days won't help you read that document anyway)

#4 | Posted by VictorZiblis at 2022-09-17 06:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

QUICK! SOMEBODY NOTIFY CONGREFS THAT WE'RE NOT WRITING THEIR NAME CORRECTLY!

#5 | Posted by VictorZiblis at 2022-09-17 06:19 PM | Reply

Someone has never read Animal Farm.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-17 06:23 PM | Reply

An "X" suffices.

#7 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-17 07:59 PM | Reply

I'm concerned that they can't read/don't look at maps. Many are entirely too dependent on GPS. They have no concept of North, South, East West or where places are in relation to one another.

I live in a remote area on the water. Often we get delivery folks who ask directions to a nearby town. You can see it from my house but it takes an hour to get there. No bridge. That just baffles them.

#8 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-09-17 09:01 PM | Reply

That just baffles them.

If that's the case they should get a GPS that's not as old as they are.

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-17 09:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They might not know how to write or read cursive, but the vast majority of Zs realize what a complete -------- Donald Trump is, unlike the majority of boomers and Xers with beautiful cursive handwriting that seem to enjoy disparaging them so.

#10 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2022-09-17 09:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I'm concerned that they can't read/don't look at maps. Many are entirely too dependent on GPS. They have no concept of North, South, East West or where places are in relation to one another.

I live in a remote area on the water. Often we get delivery folks who ask directions to a nearby town. You can see it from my house but it takes an hour to get there. No bridge. That just baffles them.

#11 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-09-17 09:24 PM | Reply

Heard ya the first time... :-)

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-17 09:33 PM | Reply

I believe it was widely reported that Trayvon Martin's female friend-who testified at trial in 2013-could not read cursive on the witness stand, and she was a recent Florida High School graduate at that time. With math disappearing from college curricula and logic, reasoning, fallacies of reasoning and emotional appeals all drawing blank expressions, it's hardly surprising cursive has been deemed irrelevant.

#13 | Posted by Sicon5 at 2022-09-17 10:07 PM | Reply

Based on all the posts, Gen-Z and their descendants are an autocrats dream.

#14 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2022-09-17 10:19 PM | Reply

They've been moving away from cursive for quite some time now, in my experience at least over the past couple of decades. Written communication is constantly undergoing change. The old distinction in written English between a hard and soft s, in which what looks like "f" represents a soft s, e.g. "houfe," gone. Language, both spoken and written, evolves.

#15 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-09-18 04:54 AM | Reply

Fina means "going to"

You're welcome.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-18 05:05 AM | Reply

Nerherder is an uninformed bigot.

As a boomer, I don't have a problem with kids these days not learning cursive. I don't know the last time...oh wait, I write checks to the condo association because I'm trying to use up the checks I have with my last address on them.

#17 | Posted by RJSquirrel at 2022-09-18 05:59 AM | Reply

Well, I can guarandamntee it that Trumpansy's signature won't do anything to improve the matter.

#18 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2022-09-18 08:51 AM | Reply

#17

A couple years back I found some checks from 20+ years ago the address was 3 or 4 address old and the bank had been bought twice since then. I decided to try and use one just for a lark. It eventually cleared but it took several extra days because while the account number was the same the routing number was a couple banks old. I guess there is some database with old routing numbers cause it got there. When I have to write a check these days I have the bank issue one I don't know why anyone even bothers getting a checkbook these days. Venmo, CashApp and Zelle all work better for both sending and receiving money. I'm trying to get my boss to set up a Venmo for the company since we stopped accepting cash now I have to use my card and pay 3% processing fee. I might threaten to use my old checks if he doesn't set up a Venmo.

#10

This is something I noticed about a month ago but it does seem the current trend is to lump us X'ers in with Boomers. I'm just curious where it's coming from. From my perspective as part of the youngest third of X'ers it seems wholly unjustified but looking at the oldest third of X'ers it makes sense.

I think perhaps that's been one of the reasons X never had much of an identity. Just as an example the oldest X'ers were starting to drive in the midst of the 70's oil crisis the younger ones were still in diapers when it ended. College is another good one in 1983 when the oldest X started college costs were tracking pretty closely to inflation and a year at a public university would cost about 2500 in 2021 dollars for us in the last third the acceleration in cost was underway and it cost us almost twice that. Of course the Millennials got screwed even hard as in the 2000's it accelerated even more but us young X'ers got the first taste of college sticker shock.

#19 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2022-09-18 09:08 AM | Reply

They probably don't know how to churn butter either, what's your point? Cursive is an outdated technology that fell out of usefulness when the fountain pen was replaced. It was only invented so that you wouldn't have to lift the quill from the paper and make a mess.

#20 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2022-09-18 09:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We all make generational comparisons and get frustrated with other age groups. When boomers criticize younger generations, we raised them, so their weaknesses are mostly our fault.

Also easy to blame the schools ... but we run them. My kids did not learn cursive OR grammar. The schools thought analyzing literature for content was more important. They were required to take calculus but never taught anything about basic consumer finance or interest rates. They dove deep into ancient world history but very little about the 20th century.

Cursive is unimportant. There will always be experts who can read it for those who can't.

#21 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-09-18 09:17 AM | Reply

Kids today don't know how to work a rotary telephone.

Kids today don't know what "Klondike 5" means in old TV shows.

Kids today don't know Paul McCartney was in a dand before Wings.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-18 09:18 AM | Reply

"Gen Z never learned Mermaids are supposed to be White."

You can lock the thread now, RCade. I won.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-18 09:29 AM | Reply

"This is something I noticed about a month ago but it does seem the current trend is to lump us X'ers in with Boomers. I'm just curious where it's coming from."

They are getting old, that's where it is coming from, and as you get older your priorities and sometimes values change. Early Xers are grandparents now.

Some characteristics of a "generation" are tied to the influences in their formative years, (wars, recessions, etc)
But most characteristics are more about the phase of life they are currently in. It makes more sense to stratify by that ... .for example, children, young single adults, young married adults, families with children, empty nesters, grandparents, elderly.

#24 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-09-18 09:30 AM | Reply

"lump us X'ers in with Boomers"

Xers are the ignored generation. They're fairly routinely skipped over when talking about generations.

A bit like how cranky old people call kids today "Millennials" but Millennials are like 35 years old now.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-18 09:42 AM | Reply

The "flower children" of the 60's boomers are an interesting group. Most of them I have known personally have turned Republican. One explained it this way, "We were the revolutionary free thinkers, free lovers. Those values and drive helped us create art, create businesses and build wealth. Now we are retired and desperately want to keep the government from taking our money" The flower children I knew that are NOT particularly successful are still very liberal, and hopeful that government programs will expand to take care of their needs.

#26 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-09-18 09:48 AM | Reply

#26 Yuppies have existed for 40 years now.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-18 09:51 AM | Reply

@37 But I'm curious what you think the value of engaging in unprompted open class warfare is. Sounds like you just wanted to make sure your biases were available for all to see. Virtue signaling is another word for it. Never pass up a chance to insult the hippies who stuck to their beliefs!

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-18 09:54 AM | Reply

-Most of them I have known personally have turned Republican.

Despite MONSTERS like Reagan, Bush 1&2, and Trump, each worse than the previous, they still turned to the GOP

How did that happen?

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-18 09:58 AM | Reply

I can't read cursive any more. I definitely can't write it.

It was always a hassle, so much harder to read than print. But as I'm not a historian, constantly researching old letters, I'm now so out of practice that it's actually nearly impossible to read. Only the computer generated cursive is even remotely readable now, and as it's always spam I don't bother.

I'm not gen Z. I'm over 50.

And I'm honestly incredibly happy that they've finally stopped teaching that horrible waste of time to elementary school students. Most will never need it, never find it actually useful in their lives. I know I didn't.

Leave that ancient script to the experts, to those who find reading and translating old texts interesting. There will be plenty of them. I can't read Vietnamese. I can't read Korean. I can't read Chinese, traditional or simplified. I can't read hieroglyphics. What's one more script really matter?

#30 | Posted by DarkVader at 2022-09-18 10:05 AM | Reply

I do apologize for going off topic with the politics of flower children. That was a group I didn't like much for reasons I won't get into, and I believe I insulted BOTH sides in my post ... .moving on ...

Cursive was a time saver "back in the day" I could write a letter in cursive in about half the time as non-cursive. It seemed that boys always had a harder time with cursive.

#31 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-09-18 10:32 AM | Reply

Huh.
I can type a letter ten times faster than I can write one.
Sounds like cursive should have died off around the time of the IBM Selectric II.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-18 10:44 AM | Reply

My cursive was/is pretty terrible and it was frequently joked that I would grow up to be a doctor. I uh didn't and cursive mostly died so no harm no foul.

My signature is a hot mess to this day in fact I once had to show the signature on my drivers license to convince someone that it was my legal signature and I hadn't just thrown some connected lines on paper.

Anyway yeah I don't feel like this is a big loss for students unlike math, literature, and history which are important subjects. Less cursive and more reasons for the french revolution taught side by side with the novel Les Miserables, maybe we could save ourselves some beheadings that way. Also for the love of god can we teach some consumer finance and basic investing classes to kids?

#33 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2022-09-18 10:51 AM | Reply

"maybe we could save ourselves some beheadings that way"

Just so we're clear, the Other Side thinks we need more beheadings.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-18 10:55 AM | Reply

#34

They might get their wish but maybe not in the way they envision it.

5 to 1 baby
1 in 5
no one here gets out alive

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.
.

The old get older
and the young get stronger
may take a week
and it may take longer
they got the guns
but we got the numbers

-The Doors

#35 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2022-09-18 11:13 AM | Reply

I can't read cursive any more. I definitely can't write it.
It was always a hassle, so much harder to read than print. But as I'm not a historian, constantly researching old letters, I'm now so out of practice that it's actually nearly impossible to read. Only the computer generated cursive is even remotely readable now, and as it's always spam I don't bother.
I'm not gen Z. I'm over 50.
And I'm honestly incredibly happy that they've finally stopped teaching that horrible waste of time to elementary school students. Most will never need it, never find it actually useful in their lives. I know I didn't.
Leave that ancient script to the experts, to those who find reading and translating old texts interesting. There will be plenty of them. I can't read Vietnamese. I can't read Korean. I can't read Chinese, traditional or simplified. I can't read hieroglyphics. What's one more script really matter?
#30 | POSTED BY DARKVADER AT 2022-09-18 10:05 AM

The difference being that cursive is still English, not Korean and can be personalized. Perhaps that's the only honest example in your 100's of fonts options.

I suppose sports and music writing has become less about the process and more about reproduction.

I prefer writing in cursive, it reads naturally and legibly.

It's a shame cursive isn't taught and that voting isn't a holiday. What a -------- $15 minimum wage nation.

At least everyone can read a drive-thru menu.

#36 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2022-09-18 11:15 AM | Reply

JFC you old ------ the kids will be all right, they always have been always will. You all sound like a bunch of sad old men and women whining about these kids and their long hair and bad music and alternative lifestyles and bemoan the end of the world, like your parents did and all parents have done since oogh drew cave paintings on his all and his dad-uggh, didn't approve.

Get over yourselves, you aren't that wise, you aren't that smart. Kids see your mistakes and will try to correct them and will make a few of their own and will hold their children in distaste for their childrens' choices.

Same as it always was.

#37 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-09-18 11:17 AM | Reply

Same as it always was.

#37 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

You better hope not.

Because history tells us all democracies fail because freedom has to be constantly defended as it is not a normal state of affairs.

And we Americans are getting soft. The Chinese learn Chinese AND English. Cursive is just a form of English. And we can't learn it anymore? Sad!

I can't read cursive any more. I definitely can't write it.
It was always a hassle, so much harder to read than print. But as I'm not a historian, constantly researching old letters, I'm now so out of practice that it's actually nearly impossible to read.

It's like riding a bike. You may temporarily forget it but I bet you still know how.

#38 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-18 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Personally, I wish someone would outlaw italics.

#39 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-18 11:36 AM | Reply

"At least everyone can read a drive-thru menu."

𝓐𝓵𝓵 𝓭𝓻𝓲𝓿𝓮-𝓽𝓱𝓻𝓾 𝓶𝓮𝓷𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝒽𝓸𝓾𝓵𝓭 𝓫𝓮 𝔀𝓻𝓲𝓽𝓽𝓮𝓷 𝓲𝓷 𝓒𝓾𝓻𝓼𝓲𝓿𝓮 𝓼𝓬𝓻𝓲𝓹𝓽.

#40 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-18 01:21 PM | Reply

#40
You going to ban pictures of the food also, you commie!

#41 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2022-09-18 03:40 PM | Reply

Kids got taught cursive at my daughter's school.

*shrugs

#42 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2022-09-18 03:51 PM | Reply

It would be a lot better if they taught kids how to speak Chinese instad of wasting time on cursive.

#43 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2022-09-18 09:09 PM | Reply

Next you'll be telling us there's only one space after a period in a typed sentence ...

#44 | Posted by chuffy at 2022-09-18 09:22 PM | Reply

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