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Sunday, September 18, 2022

Gaia Vince: While nations rally to reduce their carbon emissions, and try to adapt at-risk places to hotter conditions, there is an elephant in the room: for large portions of the world, local conditions are becoming too extreme and there is no way to adapt. People will have to move to survive.

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"Over the next fifty years, hotter temperatures combined with more intense humidity are set to make large swathes of the globe lethal to live in.

Fleeing the tropics, the coasts, and formerly arable lands, huge populations will need to seek new homes; you will be among them, or you will be receiving them.

This migration has already begun"we have all seen the streams of people fleeing drought-hit areas in Latin America, Africa, and Asia where farming and other rural livelihoods have become impossible.

The number of migrants has doubled globally over the past decade, and the issue of what to do about rapidly increasing populations of displaced people will only become greater and more urgent as the planet heats."

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"Much of the rest of the U.S. will be problematic for one reason or another. The central corridor will see worsening tornadoes; below the 42nd parallel, heatwaves, wild fires and drought will be perilous; at the coasts, flooding, erosion and freshwater fouling will be an issue.

Today's desirable locations, such as Florida, California and Hawaii, will be increasingly deserted for the more pleasant climates of former Rustbelt cities that will experience a renaissance, as a globally diverse community of new immigrants revitalizes them."

I might be movin' to Montana soon
Just to raise me up a crop of Dental Floss
Raisin' it up
Waxen it down
In a little white box
I can sell uptown
By myself I wouldn't
Have no boss,
But I'd be raisin' my lonely Dental Floss

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#1 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-17 06:26 PM | Reply

California has a rather huge variety of environments and topography. Florida, not so much.

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-17 08:03 PM | Reply

Good. The wife and I are contemplating a move back to the NE. Not the coast and DEFINTELY not NY state.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-17 10:29 PM | Reply

I moved from Naples to north central FL a half dozen years ago, but the heat and humidity have caught up with me again.

The only really perfect climates in this country are mostly southern CA, and they were overcrowded when I was there in the '80's. Plus the air pollution is really bad.

I'm thinking western Wyoming, actually. Or Seattle.

Of course, the article touches on why we have migrants in the first place, why that won't change, and why some people would rather whine about reality than problem solve.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-17 11:47 PM | Reply

Florida, not so much.

#2 | POSTED BY LEGALLYYOURDEAD

Most of Florida is only 100 feet above sea level.

They should be very concerned instead of sticking their heads in the sand. They should be MORE concerned than most. Not less.

But deniers do what deniers do. They deny everything.

#5 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-18 11:49 AM | Reply

"The only really perfect climates in this country are mostly southern CA"

Not exactly true but if I told everyone exactly where I live in ca then I fear it too would become like southern ca.

The sun has been generating lots of money for me and Temps never got above 80 around here this year. And that was hot! It only ranges from 45 -70 normally. And oh btw it just rained a nice gentle rain last night and my lawn turned green again as it does every year at about this same time.

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-18 11:55 AM | Reply

How's the humidity?

and, btw, you can tell me where you live... no one else will know!

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-18 12:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-They should be very concerned instead of sticking their heads in the sand. They should be MORE concerned than most. Not less.

And yet just a quick glance at Zillow tell you people are getting $500+ a square ft for houses in Naples, FL.

Yep, people are really concerned ... ... .

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-18 12:46 PM | Reply

That's sorta the point; people aren't concerned enough.

And the old people who are already there aren't going to live another 30 - 50 years.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-18 12:52 PM | Reply

"No one in this world, so far as I know-and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me-has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby. The mistake that is made always runs the other way. Because the plain people are able to speak and understand, and even, in many cases, to read and write, it is assumed that they have ideas in their heads, and an appetite for more. This assumption is a folly."

#10 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-18 01:09 PM | Reply

"How's the humidity?"

It's higher here (mostly because of the marine layer) but you can't feel it because the temperature is so moderate. Plants love it. Especially the redwoods. Dang it now you done made me give too many clues away.

Also our air conditioning is just opening windows. Heat is mostly by wood stove (cool mornings) and central heating by gas but I rarely use the central heating. My solar power pays for the electric bill. Mostly.

And you know what's best? We never ever have to chip ice or shovel snow!!

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-18 01:18 PM | Reply

#11 Thanks!

lol, yeah, I lived south of you in the Silicon Valley for a few years.

Got caught in the fog zone close to SF one time on the hwy and literally couldn't see the hood ornament on my car.

My problem is breathing the humid air, so I'm looking for under 50 percent mostly.

I've travelled most of the states, but never the Pacific NW, so I want to see it myself. But I may have to live on the west side of the mountains from what I can tell.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-18 01:32 PM | Reply

on the east side, I meant

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-18 01:32 PM | Reply

on the east side, I meant

#13 | POSTED BY CORKY

That would be Trinity county. And it's beautiful there too. But it does snow and it does get very hot. And no big cities (which means even less health care options than here ) and of course, now they have wildfire season. Which is like playing dice or roulette. You never know when your number will come up.

But we have a motto here in ca. if you don't like the weather just drive an hour or so and you can find the kind you like.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-18 02:10 PM | Reply

Modoc county is a little further East but same problems with heat and snow. Also Shasta. But a really beautifully hidden part of California is over on the eastern side of the sierras. Lassen or Tehama counties.

But I have noticed that everywhere has its issues. Being older now health care has moved up near the top of my requirements. And the further from cities you go the less health care available.

Health care is right up there now with no ice chipping or snow shoveling and no heat waves!

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-18 02:17 PM | Reply

Crescent City.

#16 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-18 02:56 PM | Reply

Yeah, I was thinking north and east into Oregon and Washington. Seattle albeit west and north, is it's own microclimate, of which there are also many in California.

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Here's something I thought interesting from the thread article about how climate change, no matter the cause is already having a few positive effects for a few northerly locations... and not just the weather alone:

"Global heating has already boosted Sweden's per capita GDP by 25 per cent, a Stanford study found.

The biggest greenhouse gas emitters "enjoy on average about 10 per cent higher per capita GDP today than they would have in a world without warming, while the lowest emitters have been dragged down by about 25 per cent," the researchers found.

The moral argument for including tropical migrants in the economies of the north is clear.

The researchers estimate that India's GDP per capita has lagged by 31 per cent owing to global heating; Nigeria's has lagged by 29 per cent; Indonesia's by 27 per cent; and Brazil's by 25 per cent. Together, those four countries hold about a quarter of the world's population."

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-18 03:05 PM | Reply

also this

"Alaska looks the best place to live in the U.S., though, and cities will need to be built to accommodate millions of migrants heading for the newly busy Anthropocene Arctic.

In 2017, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency released a Climate Resilience Screening Index, which ranked Kodiak Island, Alaska, as being at the lowest risk of climate events in the country.

By 2047, Alaska could be experiencing average monthly temperatures similar to Florida today, according to an analysis of climate models."

That's er... pretty soon now.

SO, the Rust Belt will be in Renascence, and Alaska will have heat waves... all in a few decades.

But that's just the science and the maths, so reason for concern, eh?

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-18 03:08 PM | Reply

so no reason

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-18 03:11 PM | Reply

Op-Ed: Climate change and way too many unexplored future issues -- An overview
www.digitaljournal.com

... If there's anything that singles out humanity as utterly unfocused and irresponsible, it's climate change. "The climate always changes!", says someone. So it does. That's no reason to go extinct because of it. This simplistic idiocy, however, isn't quite enough of an assessment of either the issues or the outcomes.

The headlines are irritatingly normal. Much verbosity, not much in the way of results. Some ideas, recycled or otherwise, like refreezing the poles with sulfur dioxide. There's still a bit of denialism, now much muted by the massive heatwaves and droughts predicted 30 years ago.

The entire useless multi-decades-long argument boils down to one thing -- Do you believe in thermodynamics, yes or no? If your answer is no, go browsing for your urn or coffin.

To simplify these issues -- So what? Reality is making a point, and that is the absolute bottom line. This is the arrival of an uncharted climate. Doing nothing is not an option. Denial is now simply absurd. There's a lot more to this situation than simply keeping sycophants in their useless overpaid jobs. There's also far more to it than simply number-crunching....

[emphasis mine]

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-18 07:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If the real threat is ignored for the next 50 years, and maybe even if it isn't, as it was ignored the last 50 years, than the suddenness of these changes in a few decades will make this article prophecy.

Speaking of which, in the old story, first the Earth was/is stricken (time being simultaneous and all) by flood, and the next time (so to speak) by fire.

Northern hemispheric countries around the world, including Russia were they to get their stuff together, could prosper with the current and coming northern migration.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-18 09:24 PM | Reply

Northern latitudes built their infrastructure on permafrost. Current roads and buildings will be totally f*cked when all that turns to sloppy mud.

#22 | Posted by dibblda at 2022-09-19 01:51 AM | Reply

The real threat is people piled on top of each other. Stop immigration now. We have enough people. Over population is the problem.

#23 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-19 06:06 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Where We'll End Up Living as the Planet Burns

Environmentalist, logging companies and government have to reach an accommodation: Logging companies should be permitted to log certain areas in an environmentally friendly manner that would make these large wildfires less likely and more easily controlled if/when they occur. It would seem that there is a pattern (checkerboard with large, undisturbed wild life transit areas?) of logging that would have a reduced impact on the habitat of wild life yet reduce the severity of fires when they occur.

Additional benefits of such an approach would be more timber available for construction, reduced pollutants put into the atmosphere due to fire and reduced impact on wild life due to fire induced habitat loss.

#24 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2022-09-19 06:20 AM | Reply

The real threat is people piled on top of each other. Stop immigration now. We have enough people. Over population is the problem.

"No Vacancies here! Go away! Kill yourselves! Just die! We have enough! Go back and wait to drown or whatever! Not our problem!" - Boaz and people like him that take no responsibility, deny being the biggest contributors to global warming, and the problems that are killing the very people seeking to find a place just to live.

#25 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 08:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

- Over population is the problem.

Didn't read the article.

Prolly too busy being a good brother to all people as Jesus taught.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-19 10:58 AM | Reply

- Over population is the problem.

FTA- There would be plenty of room to house everyone on earth in a single country"the surface area of Canada alone is 9.9 million square kilometers. Of course, I'm not proposing anything as absurd, but this is something to reflect on when it is claimed that a country is "too full" for more people.

Bozo is not known for "reflecting" on anything.

The would be way too close to being "woke".

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-19 11:26 AM | Reply

No, just making sense. It's know overcrowding makes things worst. Hell, you liberals are leaving cities just to come to the country where there's more space. It's not our job to take in the overflow from countries around the world. Even if we have a negative replacement birth rate, we need to take care of ourselves.

Your line of thinking never made sense to me. Their lives suck because of over population, so lets take them here and make our world over populated so it will suck here just like it does there.

Nah, no thanks..

#28 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-19 11:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

You think you have a choice.
Bless your heart.

#29 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It's not our job to take in the overflow from countries around the world"

Is it your job to stop it?
Do you have a job at all?
???

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-19 12:36 PM | Reply

Do you have a job at all?
???

It appears to be whining and owning the Libs.

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-19 12:48 PM | Reply

Their lives suck because of poverty, climate change, and interference by US corporations, the CIA, and the Chicago School.

Obviously Major B laughed when Jesus told the story about the Good Samaritan.

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-19 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

8 billion people all moving and shuffling around at once. Every nation in the world and every state in this nation will feel the profound effects. Those who think they will be keep out the 'outsiders' are kidding themselves. Those who think large portions of the world will become uninhabitable are also kidding themselves. Climate change will be the determinative factor for the 21st century. Fifty years from now we will no longer recognize this place.

#33 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-09-19 01:24 PM | Reply

Posted by boaz

This man is just plain retarded.

Not unlike Herschel.

#34 | Posted by Angrydad at 2022-09-19 02:42 PM | Reply

And yet just a quick glance at Zillow tell you people are getting $500+ a square ft for houses in Naples, FL.

Yep, people are really concerned ... ... .

#8 | Posted by eberly

News flash- people are stupid. Especially people whove been fed lies about climate change for decades by right wing propagandists.

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-19 07:25 PM | Reply

Same people didn't believe in COVID.

This is nature's way of fixing things.

#36 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 07:26 PM | Reply

Refugees shouldn't waste any time seeking refuge on Martha's Vinyard. What's 'No Vacancy' in Spanish?

#37 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-09-20 02:47 AM | Reply

Martha's Vineyard is not a sanctuary city. Boston is:

cis.org

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-20 03:59 AM | Reply

Well there is some nuance there. How else to signal the virtue without being virtuous.

However, according to PBS: Martha's Vineyard has styled itself as a "sanctuary destination" that welcomes migrants " a position it took early in former President Donald Trump's administration.

#39 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-09-20 05:07 AM | Reply

I've been saying for years, that
mankind will end up his days, right
where he began. Living out of caves
and holes in the ground.

Soon, in many places around the world,
it will be too hot to have a home on
the surface during the day.

#40 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-09-20 06:41 AM | Reply

It's not our job to take in the overflow from countries around the world. Even if we have a negative replacement birth rate, we need to take care of ourselves.

Thanks for the Fauxtian point of view.

But then again republiturds have always been fake "i got mine..eff you" christians.

Finally they are starting to admit it.

The .1% have convinced republiturds that migrants are the reason why their wages are stagnant and not the greed driven policies of the GQP paid for by the .1%.

No cletus, Pinyush the neurosurgeon is not coming to take your $12/hr job at the Deere factory.

#41 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-09-20 08:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pinyush the neurosurgeon isn't sneaking across the border at night with 2,000,000 of his closest friends. Pinyush the neurosurgeon, unless he wanted to become Pinyush the gardener, would come into this country legally with a visa.

Unskilled Labor is a commodity a constant or increasing supply compared to demand does keep wages down.

#42 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-09-20 09:54 AM | Reply

"It's not our job to take in the overflow from countries around the world."

You're clearly not in charge of hiring at a high tech company.

Or a meat packing plant.

That's a huge source of labor for them.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-20 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Unskilled Labor is a commodity a constant or increasing supply compared to demand does keep wages down.

#42 | Posted by visitor_

Oh you mean it lowers inflation?

So I guess you should be blaming this inflation youre always crying about on the anti immigrant policies trump enacted.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-20 01:14 PM | Reply

The real threat is people piled on top of each other. Stop immigration now. We have enough people. Over population is the problem.

#23 | Posted by boaz

There were a record 2 million arrests of undocumented people last year - a record.

Until management in companies who hire undocumented workers are perp walked in front of TV cameras en masse, we'll always have people coming to seek a better life for themselves and their families.

A couple of years ago, right around the corner from my house, I saw a general contractor's truck emblazoned with Trump 2020 and MAGA stickers as a houseful of undocumented workers built the house. One time, I asked him about the irony. His reply (typical), "my subcontractors hired them."

Uh, huh. As if that liar didn't know. All in the pursuit of a few more dollars.

#45 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-09-20 04:43 PM | Reply

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