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Sunday, September 18, 2022

Republican dreams of a major realignment of Latino voters drawn to G.O.P. stances on crime and social issues have failed to materialize, according to a new poll by The New York Times and Siena College.

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Maybe stop shipping migrants like cargo.

#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-18 11:08 AM | Reply

A New York Times/Siena College poll found Democrats faring far worse than they have in the past with Hispanic voters.

Maybe Dems should cut it out with that "Latinx" label that offends 18% of Latinos? From my anecdotal experience with left-leaning Latinos, my guess is that more than 18% of them find it cringey, ridiculous or off-putting.

It's like that "Dr." Jill Biden crap. If it doesn't win them any votes and actually alienates people, why do Dems insist upon using it?

#2 | Posted by censored at 2022-09-18 11:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Republicans don't need "a majority" of Latino voters. They just need a large enough percentage to shift to a win. And I think Republicans have made pretty significant gains among socially conservative Latinos. Democrats take Latinos for granted at their own peril.

#3 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2022-09-18 11:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

""Latinx"

The thing about "Latinx" is that people are never sure if it's supposed to rhyme with sex, minx, or Becky.

#4 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-18 12:22 PM | Reply

Maybe Dems should cut it out with that "Latinx" label that offends 18% of Latinos? From my anecdotal experience with left-leaning Latinos, my guess is that more than 18% of them find it cringey, ridiculous or off-putting.
#2 | POSTED BY CENSORED AT 2022-09-18 11:28 AM | FLAG : PPPPFFFTTTTT

Awwwww look at you going all peecee on us telling us the latest trend (its a trend) in minority euphemisms and etiquette.

Keep it up I might have to call you a snowflake.

Assimilation is a messy business.

Resistance is futile.

#5 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2022-09-18 12:28 PM | Reply

Latinx and using the EARNED title of "Dr." as negatives is meaningless right-wing garbage. If you want to win Latinos and Latinas over you have to accept the FACT that they are listening to AM radio, hearing the message through FB and other social media that the Democrats are the same as Castro and Maduro. That the Democrats are "socialists" in the worst sense of the word. It is irrational and insanity and it works because it riles people up. Why would you expect Latinos and Latinas to respond to that a message of hate and demonization that wins over roughly the same number of White Europeans?

It appears to me that a certain percentage of humans are going to respond positively to demagoguery no matter what.

The decision is how to counter that with that group while not alienating the group that detests the appeal of and use of that tactic.

#6 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-18 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Awwwww look at you going all peecee on us telling us the latest trend (its a trend) in minority euphemisms and etiquette. Keep it up I might have to call you a snowflake. Assimilation is a messy business. Resistance is futile. #5 | Posted by RightisTrite

Wut?

I just want Dems to stop shooting themselves in the foot as they're the only reasonable choice left. The alternative is the GOP racist, misogynistic, christo-fascist party that openly supports a Pootin-fluffing, con-artist, seditionist traitor.

#7 | Posted by censored at 2022-09-18 01:27 PM | Reply

'Latinx and using the EARNED title of "Dr." as negatives is meaningless right-wing garbage.'

You're conflating two very different things here, although one thing they have in common is that neither is exclusive to one end of the partisan spectrum. The wives of the most recent two Republican presidents were mercilessly mocked, and the left would not have hesitated to cast doubt on their credentials if either one had used an honorific title.

As for "Latinx", many Latinos already have an aversion to it completely independent of any political messaging they hear about it on the radio or social media. Having a gendered language is very much part of their culture. Many of them do not appreciate that type of erasure, even among those who care deeply about gender equity issues. So, it's not just "garbage"; it's a pre-existing, legitimate concern that the right latched on to and will continue to exploit as long as the left continues to get rope-a-doped into thinking they should be for it just because the other side is apparently against it.

#8 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-18 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Says the Nazi. Just STFU, loser.

#9 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-18 02:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The adults are talking. Go sit in the corner, little clown.

#10 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-18 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sentinel, if you read the context you wouldn't have said I conflated anything.

#11 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-18 04:17 PM | Reply

The adults are talking. Go sit in the corner, little clown.

#10 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

A. You're the Nazi symp, simp.
B. Come make me, you sniveling little coward.
C. You're a ------- idiot.

#12 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-18 05:38 PM | Reply

Calm down, Rogelio.

#13 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-18 06:14 PM | Reply

I live in a South American country with million of immigrants from all the other countries down here and I have never ever heard the word "Lantinx".

#14 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2022-09-18 07:19 PM | Reply

"Calm down, Rogelio."

#13 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

You scared, bro? You sound scared. You should be scared.

#15 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-18 09:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

I live in a South American country with million of immigrants from all the other countries down here and I have never ever heard the word "Lantinx". #14 | Posted by Wildman62

According to a liberal American Latina who explained the word to me about ten years ago, before I even knew that the word existed, LatinX is a term White people made up to teach Latinos how to be less sexist. She found it silly and a bit condescending.

Personally, I don't care about the word except to the extent that it harms Dem chances in the voting booth. Much like the Defund the Police motto, it's like Dems are taking marketing advice from Republicans.

#16 | Posted by censored at 2022-09-18 10:29 PM | Reply

Nice anecdote. Incorrect AF, though.

"White people" says your friend is clueless right off the bat or is scapegoating (or worse). The term came from the lesbian/gay/trans community by those that didn't agree with being forced into binary gender assignment. "White people" (those without Hispanic genetic heritage) didn't come up with it. That appears to be her continuing to further anti LBGQT bigotry (or optimistically, she's just clueless).

There are plenty of hispanics that identify as "White" and/or "White Hispanic" so saying "White people "kind of tells you exactly where your friend is coming from.

So no, people applying "Latinx" to all Latinos isn't some way to teach Latinos how to be less sexist. That, again, sounds like she has some guilt about how sexist her own culture is.

#17 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 08:05 AM | Reply

"Hispanic genetic heritage"

There is objectively no such thing. Get off your high horse accusing others or racism when you're peddling this racist BS.

"So no, people applying "Latinx" to all Latinos isn't some way to teach Latinos how to be less sexist. That, again, sounds like she has some guilt about how sexist her own culture is."

Or maybe people in general don't respond well to being told "your culture is sexist", just like people often don't respond well to being told "your culture is racist", or "your culture are thugs". This type of reaction does not imply "guilt", sir Inquisitor.

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-19 09:14 AM | Reply

There is objectively no such thing. Get off your high horse accusing others or racism when you're peddling this racist BS.

Go ---- yourself, nazi lover.

#19 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 09:42 AM | Reply

Listen to that dog yelp.

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-19 09:53 AM | Reply

You were the one that yelped. I just kicked you to the curb over your idiotic rationalizations and for missing the entire point.

Sometimes you don't deserve anything more than a STFU.

#21 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 10:26 AM | Reply

I don't expect anything from you, Yav, since you've shown yourself to be incapable of anything more than that when presented with truths that don't fit your dogmatic worldview. Talking about "Hispanic genetic heritage" really is racist BS, and you deserved to be called out for that. By your own logic, your angry reaction proves your "guilt."

#22 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-19 10:34 AM | Reply

You latched on to that and ignored the entire point of what I said.
Latinx is about LGBQT persons.
As to "Hispanic genetic heritage" I was trying to word it in a way that would make sense in an "Ancestry as in Ancestry.com" way and in a way that was respectful of how others see things. These are people that share certain genetic code common in a geographic area.

Or are you saying that doesn't exist? That any nod to where we come from, our roots, etc. is racist?

I don't have a clue what you are talking about, and given your refusal to acknowledge the entire point of what I said I don't see a reason to engage you further.

The power to change that is in your hands.

#23 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 11:03 AM | Reply

"These are people that share certain genetic code common in a geographic area.
Or are you saying that doesn't exist?"

As far as "Hispanic" heritage, no it does not. "Hispanic" people are native to four different continents and can be of any genetic heritage, despite the stereotype many people have in their minds of what a Hispanic person should look like.

#24 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-19 12:48 PM | Reply

"Hispanic" people are native to four different continents

Four?
www.census.gov
Definition
Hispanics or Latino refers to a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-19 12:56 PM | Reply

I don't have an idea of what a hispanic person looks like. What an odd thing to say. I grew up with hispanic people from all over the world. From Spain, from Central America, From Cuba, P.R., Mexico, etc. I also grew up with Latinos and Latinas.

Hispanic means "relating to Spain or to Spanish-speaking countries, especially those of Latin America."
Latino means a person of Latin American origin or descent, especially a man or boy.

You're confusing Latino/a with Hispanic.

#26 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 01:01 PM | Reply

"Hispanic" as a term was adopted by the racist United States government when they were looking for a way to draw the distinction between White, Brown, and Black. White and Black are Races. Hispanic is not a Race. It is an Ethnicity, and it is the only one. Your choices are Hispanic, or non-Hispanic.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-19 01:20 PM | Reply

"These are people that share certain genetic code common in a geographic area. "

and

"I grew up with hispanic people from all over the world.

You really don't see how you're blatantly contradicting yourself here?

#28 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-19 02:00 PM | Reply

Yeah - I shouldn't' have used your use of "hispanic" on that one. You won that one. I ------ up. It should have been in quotes.

#29 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 02:25 PM | Reply

"Yeah - I shouldn't' have used your use of "hispanic" on that one. "

Uh, I was quoting your use of the word Hispanic:
"Hispanic genetic heritage".
I did not use the world hispanic in this thread prior to that.
So... yeah, no idea what you mean by "my" use of "hispanic".

#30 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-19 03:15 PM | Reply

#17 I think remains clear as a response to #16. It seems to me that the "friend" was referring to "whites" and for that reason I excluded white hispanics (not latinos). It had to do with White European - which would be those from Iberia.

#31 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 03:37 PM | Reply

#30 - Your interpretation of hispanic.

#32 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 03:40 PM | Reply

It's like that "Dr." Jill Biden crap. If it doesn't win them any votes and actually alienates people, why do Dems insist upon using it?

#2 | POSTED BY CENSORED AT 2022-09-18 11:28 AM | REPLY | IDIOT WITH AN IQ OF 45

Jill Biden IS a doctor, PhD, but STILL A DOCTOR!!!! Too bad you were too stupid to make it past the 3rd grade.

#33 | Posted by Enlightened at 2022-09-19 05:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The wives of the most recent two Republican presidents were mercilessly mocked, and the left would not have hesitated to cast doubt on their credentials if either one had used an honorific title.

Well one was a gold digging porn model and Bush killed her high school boyfriend with her car. If it had been a Democratic candidate with a wife like that, the GQP would have a fit.

STFUYI!!!!!!

#34 | Posted by Enlightened at 2022-09-19 05:25 PM | Reply

"The wives of the most recent two Republican presidents were mercilessly mocked"

Which one had the big dong like Michelle?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-19 05:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Ya, didn't Melania violate her VISA by doing lesbian soft core photo shoots?

"Einstein"!

#36 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-09-19 05:40 PM | Reply

"#17 I think remains clear as a response to #16. It seems to me that the "friend" was referring to "whites" and for that reason I excluded white hispanics (not latinos). It had to do with White European - which would be those from Iberia."

Even your backtrackings are becoming nonsensical now. How does that justify you injecting the phrase "Hispanic genetic heritage" into the conversation?

"#30 - Your interpretation of hispanic."

I still have no idea WTF you're talking about here, or which interpretation of hispanic you're even trying to attribute to me.

#37 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-19 05:59 PM | Reply

How does that justify you injecting the phrase "Hispanic genetic heritage" into the conversation?

^
Probably because that's how the US defines "Hispanic."

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-19 06:03 PM | Reply

I still have no idea WTF you're talking about here, or which interpretation of hispanic you're even trying to attribute to me.

Post #26:
Hispanic means "relating to Spain or to Spanish-speaking countries, especially those of Latin America."
Latino means a person of Latin American origin or descent, especially a man or boy. (or Latina for female).

The only reason I differentiated was because of the misattribution of "Whites" to the origination of Latinx and the origin of the person making that incorrect assumption. It's all on this thread.

#39 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 06:58 PM | Reply

One more try:
Latin America: South America, Central America, Mexico (North America), and the Caribbean (if you speak a romance language, exception is Puerto Rico).
Hispanic countries: Spain, Equatorial Guinea, Western Sahara, Puerto Rico.

You are a Latino/Latina if your origin (birth) or your descended from (genetic heritage) Latin America.
Speaking Spanish has nothing to do with being a Latino/Latina.

You can't be a Latino/Latina if you are from Spain or any other Spanish speaking country that is NOT part of Latin America. You would be Hispanic.

Brazilians are Latinos/Latinas. They don't speak Spanish.
Equatorial Guineans (Africa) are Hispanic.
Puerto Ricans (the majority) are Hispanic, not Latinos or Latinas.

#40 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 07:24 PM | Reply

(genetic heritage - better word would be "ancestry") since that gets you upset for some reason.

#41 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 07:25 PM | Reply

What about Romans? They spoke Latin. :-)

#42 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-19 07:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If anyone doesn't understand after Yav's nice explanation, they simply lack the capacity for critical thinking and aren't ever going to get it. Ever.

#43 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-09-19 07:46 PM | Reply

Wonderful and funny. Succinct!

I have never called South America "Latin America" because it never made sense to me. I understand it, but I have never agreed with it. Then again who am I to tell someone from there that?

#44 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 07:52 PM | Reply

Hispanic countries: Spain, Equatorial Guinea, Western Sahara, Puerto Rico.

Without agreeing with the United States, I just want to reiterate that the United States definition of Hispanic is much broader than the above, and could arguably even include someone of Spanish ancestry with more recent Filipino ancestry.

I have a friend whose father is from Baltimore and his mother is from Spain. Nobody in the family including the mother from Spain identifies as Hispanic.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-19 08:18 PM | Reply

Philippines used to fall under Hispanic. That's a true point you made. And I agree with people from Spain not identifying as Hispanic (though the very word means "from Hispania" - Hispania being Latin (nod to Redial) for the Iberian peninsula.

And yes, most Spanish just identify as white, just like Italians or the French.

I think the entire thing is strange.

#46 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 08:57 PM | Reply

It's weird that you can't even see you made my point for me. There are many Hispanics of African and Native American and even European descent who do not share a common ancestry with Spain, so the idea of a genetic ancestry that Hispanics have in common is absurd, in the context you were using it.

#47 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-19 09:55 PM | Reply

The context I was using it in was why the hell did the Latina in #16 use the term "White people" - what did she mean by it - especially if she's identifying as "Latina." Especially when "White people" have nothing to do with the term "Latinx". "Latinx" is about gender identification. Something you've ignored from the start.

#48 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 10:03 PM | Reply

"There are many Hispanics of African and Native American and even European descent who do not share a common ancestry with Spain"

Can you name some?

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-19 10:13 PM | Reply

I think you better ask him what "common ancestry" means because he can't possibly mean genetic link.

#50 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-19 10:28 PM | Reply

The whole concept of genetic race is bull ----. "White people" is commonly used as an informal slur just like "gringos" by North American Hispanics and Latinos, even of mostly white European ancestry, to refer to people outside their ethnic group.

It's also possible that her first experience with the Latinx thing was from a condescending white liberal. Regardless of who created the term, it's largely white politicians and political activist who are the most visible perpetuating it today.

The majority of Hispanics and Latin Americans do not like this term or having their language X'd out by people who either don't understand who don't care how romance languages work and are just doing it to pander to a niche group of special needs people.

Whatever her reasons were, still doesn't explain why you went in the direction you did.

#51 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-19 10:47 PM | Reply

In general, Hispanics from Equatorial Guinea obviously do not have the same ancestry as Hispanics from Argentina.

#52 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-19 11:01 PM | Reply

"There are many Hispanics of African and Native American and even European descent who do not share a common ancestry with Spain"

Can you name some?

#49 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-19 11:04 PM | Reply

It's also possible that her first experience with the Latinx thing was from a condescending white liberal. Regardless of who created the term, it's largely white politicians and political activist who are the most visible perpetuating it today.
The majority of Hispanics and Latin Americans do not like this term or having their language X'd out by people who either don't understand who don't care how romance languages work and are just doing it to pander to a niche group of special needs people.
Whatever her reasons were, still doesn't explain why you went in the direction you did.
#51 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

This is absolutely spot on and is emblematic of my experience as an educator in Southern California.

#54 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-09-19 11:06 PM | Reply

I don't disagree with #52 in general, however this is how this evolved:

I said:
Latinx and using the EARNED title of "Dr." as negatives is meaningless right-wing garbage. If you want to win Latinos and Latinas over you have to accept the FACT that they are listening to AM radio, hearing the message through FB and other social media that the Democrats are the same as Castro and Maduro. That the Democrats are "socialists" in the worst sense of the word. It is irrational and insanity and it works because it riles people up. Why would you expect Latinos and Latinas to respond to that a message of hate and demonization that wins over roughly the same number of White Europeans?...

The decision is how to counter that with that group while not alienating the group that detests the appeal of and use of that tactic.

Then Sentinel said:
You're conflating two very different things here (Latinx and DR.) although one thing they have in common is that neither is exclusive to one end of the partisan spectrum...

As for "Latinx", many Latinos already have an aversion to it completely independent of any political messaging they hear about it on the radio or social media. Having a gendered language is very much part of their culture. Many of them do not appreciate that type of erasure, even among those who care deeply about gender equity issues. So, it's not just "garbage"; it's a pre-existing, legitimate concern that the right latched on to and will continue to exploit as long as the left continues to get rope-a-doped into thinking they should be for it just because the other side is apparently against it.

Which I agree with, in concept, but it's way overstated. In fact:

Wildman62 then said:
I live in a South American country with million of immigrants from all the other countries down here and I have never ever heard the word "Lantinx".

Exactly right.

And Censored responded with:
According to a liberal American Latina who explained the word to me about ten years ago, before I even knew that the word existed, LatinX is a term White people made up to teach Latinos how to be less sexist. She found it silly and a bit condescending.

Personally, I don't care about the word except to the extent that it harms Dem chances in the voting booth. Much like the Defund the Police motto, it's like Dems are taking marketing advice from Republicans.

I then said:
"White people" says your friend is clueless right off the bat or is scapegoating (or worse). The term came from the lesbian/gay/trans community by those that didn't agree with being forced into binary gender assignment. "White people" (those without Hispanic genetic heritage) didn't come up with it. That appears to be her continuing to further anti LBGQT bigotry (or optimistically, she's just clueless).
(continues...)

#55 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-20 09:23 AM | Reply

Then Sentinel comes in with this:
"Hispanic genetic heritage"
There is objectively no such thing. Get off your high horse accusing others or racism when you're peddling this racist BS.

So here Sentinel accuses me of accusing others of racism and that I'm peddling racist BS.

He then quotes another line of mine:
"So no, people applying "Latinx" to all Latinos isn't some way to teach Latinos how to be less sexist. That, again, sounds like she has some guilt about how sexist her own culture is."

And then responds with:
Or maybe people in general don't respond well to being told "your culture is sexist", just like people often don't respond well to being told "your culture is racist", or "your culture are thugs". This type of reaction does not imply "guilt", sir Inquisitor.

I then said "Go ---- yourself." for obvious reasons. All he's done is use strawman -------- to come after what I said, which is all factual. If she's upset about how sexist her culture is, which is what Censored said she said, then I'm not the one that's accusing her culture of being sexist. I blatantly stated that SHE has some guilt about how sexist HER own culture is - and that came 100% from HER own statement.

The reason for that is because WHITE people didn't invent Latinx. Latinx came from the Latin LGBTQ community and as a result it made it out to the liberal Latino/a liberal community first, then out to the Latino/a community in general, and to the liberal community in a limited way. It is NOT something WHITE people "invented" to "shame" the Latin community about how their language (which they obviously feel is sexist) since THEY (her) brought that up. Unless you speak Spanish, how would you as a WHITE person even think that Spanish is sexist?

Then Sentinel wanted to go down the rabbit hole on what Hispanic means and how there's no such thing as "Hispanic genetic heritage" which I specifically used in the context of HER use of "WHITE PEOPLE." Why? Because Spaniards don't consider themselves "Hispanic" but White, and her use of WHITE people was to me "What WHITE people are you talking about?" Best part? He just said "Hispanics from Equatorial Guinea do not have the same anceestry as Hispanic from Argentina" There are no Hispanics in Argentina (or very few). Argentina was settled by Italians, 70% of Argentinians have Italian heritage, and if you don't speak Spanish and go there you would think they are speaking Italian, though it is a derivative of Spanish. Calling Argentinians "hispanic" is as bad as calling Brazilians hispanic. Neither are. Equatorial Guineans, however, speak Spanish. They are Hispanic because they are directly and culturally tied to SPAIN. I already stated that NO ONE IN SOUTH, CENTRAL, or MEXICO is Hispanic. Only Puerto Ricans are considered Hispanic.

And with that I am done with this. It is way TLTR and I expect nearly everyone will cry out TLDR, anyway.

#56 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-20 09:23 AM | Reply

Latinx.

Can someone explain it to me?

When, or perhaps why, would I use Latinx instead of Latino or Latina?

When I first saw LatinX I thought it was a Mexican rapper.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-20 09:32 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Then Sentinel wanted to go down the rabbit hole on what Hispanic means and how there's no such thing as "Hispanic genetic heritage" which I specifically used in the context of HER use of "WHITE PEOPLE."

Dude, you're the one who dug this hole, and you're digging yourself deeper. As you said, you don't know what her intentions were with the use of that term; you are the one who inexplicably introduced the concept of Hispanic genetics.

#58 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-20 09:59 AM | Reply

"Best part? He just said "Hispanics from Equatorial Guinea do not have the same anceestry as Hispanic from Argentina" There are no Hispanics in Argentina (or very few). Argentina was settled by Italians, 70% of Argentinians have Italian heritage, and if you don't speak Spanish and go there you would think they are speaking Italian, though it is a derivative of Spanish. Calling Argentinians "hispanic" is as bad as calling Brazilians hispanic. Neither are. Equatorial Guineans, however, speak Spanish. They are Hispanic because they are directly and culturally tied to SPAIN."

What a tangled web we weave
When at first we start to deceive

So many things factually wrong in the above paragraph, not even sure where to begin. Since over 90% of Argentinians speak Spanish, that makes them both Hispanic and Latino. Yes, even the ones of Italian and/or German immigrant heritage, because the country they grew up in was directly and culturally tied to Spain... just like Hispanic people in Equatorial Guinea who are of entirely African descent. Ditto on many Black Hispanics in the Eastern Caribbean and throughout Latin America.

"I already stated that NO ONE IN SOUTH, CENTRAL, or MEXICO is Hispanic. Only Puerto Ricans are considered Hispanic."

I'm not even sure what to make of this.

#59 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-20 10:16 AM | Reply

"If anyone doesn't understand after Yav's nice explanation, they simply lack the capacity for critical thinking and aren't ever going to get it. Ever."

Horst nailed it. You don't have the capacity to comprehend, and as a result you accuse me of trying to deceive.

#60 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-20 10:22 AM | Reply

The wives of the most recent two Republican presidents were mercilessly mocked, and the left would not have hesitated to cast doubt on their credentials if either one had used an honorific title.

So the party that called Chelsea Clinton the white house dog now suddenly have the fee fees.

Be best.

#61 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-09-20 11:36 AM | Reply

"If you're explaining, you're losing"

So much dialog over a term that doesn't do Dems any favors in the voting booth. IIRC, Dems used to lead Repubs 70/30 amongst Latinos. It's now down to 56/32. I'm just gonna reiterate, if it isn't a net-win on votes, Dems should probably stop doing it.

Telling Latinos that their language and preferred terminology is sexist and transphobic does not strike me as being helpful. My guess is that the vast majority of voters, Latino and non-Latino care very little about transphobia. They're more focused on stuff that actually impacts their lives.

Granted, most of the 18% of Latinos who were "offended" by the term LatinX were probably solid GOP to begin with, but our elections are close. Losing even one percent of undecided voters from the get-go by "offending" them by calling them something they dislike can be significant.

Is anyone going to refuse to vote for a Dem because they used the term Latino? Unlikely, IMHO. Will anyone refuse to vote for a Dem because he used the term LatinX? Apparently, yes.

#62 | Posted by censored at 2022-09-20 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We have a much bigger problem with the lies being believed about "socialism" and the "Democrats" are just like Castro and Maduro than the use of a term my a subsection of Latinos/Latinas. I never hear the term Latinx here in Florida It doesn't come up - and I'm a gay man.

That's why the GOP has made inroads here in Florida. It's on AM and social media all over the place. The biggest users of Latinx are the GOP talking about what the Democrats say, which the Democrats aren't saying.

You're being diverted away from what caused the shift.
Latinx" is chaff.

#63 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-20 12:09 PM | Reply

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